Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Welcome donna nice to have you. Sounds like you got a petting zoo on your hands...........I am jealous . In His Service Brittany Dona <TheInmanHome@...> wrote: Hi ya'll. I HAVE the book Nourishing Traditions so thought I ought to see what youre all about. I am Dona. I've loved the Lord Jesus for longer than Ive loved my husband <grin>. Im married to Neil and 14th yr homeschool mom to B24, B15, G12, B10, B8.5 & G6 in Oklahoma. We have 15 acres in the foothills of the Ozarks (yes, the foothills ARE in Oklahoma ). We have a beagle mix dog named Miss Chiff, a pet quail, 16 cats (11 kittens this month - oops), 2 adult does and three little does (milking one doe to the tune of 3/4 gallon a day with which I do little other than make kefir smoothies for now). We just today hatched 9 chickens of our own (and 44 for a friend) and will hatch 22 guineas in another week...some for us and others to go to auction. I have milled my own wheat since 1999 (yes, Y2K...now that was fun!) The goats ate my ENTIRE garden this year so all efforts are on getting greenhouses up for winter and THE PASTURE PROPERLY FENCED. Cant think of much more at the moment but am looking forward to hearing your chat about the kitchen activities as you nourish traditions in your own homes. In Jesus, Dona in OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Funny, with 6 children I thought I had a petting zoo before I EVER got the animals - lol. We are having a blast. Not too much time in the kitchen at this point but do make kefir daily. Im thinking about making root beer soon now that I have the whey....I think that was the recipe. I DO love my kefir though. Thanks for the welcome! Dona in OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 --- In , " Dona " <TheInmanHome@h...> wrote:> Cant think of much more at the moment but am looking forward to > hearing your chat about the kitchen activities as you nourish > traditions in your own homes. > Welcome! We might have enough hs'ers to start our own list--LOL! I love your perspective, " nourish traditions, " and that is exactly what we are up to at my house. I'm not only learning to cook, and cook whole foods, but I'm establishing traditions for my children to carry on. Danelle in Kansas Hs'ing 10 years with 15ds, 11dd, 9dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Hi Dawn, My name is Sharon. I lived in my home town, Kennett Square, PA and Warwick, RI I have had stroke/aphasia/RA. Wow what a time! Dawn <iowadarlingforever@...> wrote: Hello all, my name is Dawn and I live in south east iowa. I found out I had RA this fall and have been seeing doctor after doctor. I am taking neproxen, methotroxate, folic asid, lexipro, and welbatrin (sorry if misspelled but I haven't really been interested in making sure I spell them right augh). I have been having problems with sleeping all the time. I mean I would wake up at seven get my son off to school and come home to sleep until three pm. I went through a sleep study and they said it is due to dression which is what I told my doctor months and months ago. It is frustrateing to me when a doctor won't listen to me about my body grrrr. At least when my hands flared up and I told him my family has a history of RA he gave me a test and found it early. My Aunt is in the advanse stages of RA and has had a knee replaced and has lost the use of her left arm because of the elbow. Hense my depression, I know what this can do. I was so gald to find this group. It really helps to talk to others who are where I am. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Hi..... You're a researcher, therapist, writer........... I am a person with RA....... I hear ya - and before I came down with disease I would have and did swear by natural and holistic healing. I have a sister with lupus and tried to get her to switch over....... don't poison your body I told her....... Now - I have RA.......... until you walk the walk...... it's really a horse of another color to say what you would do or even what's the best thing...... I don't mean to be rude. I wish with all my heart I could trust and put faith in natural and holistic healing...... when you're hurting like we are - straight up - you want drugs that work and work FAST. respectfully yours. hugs carol On May 6, 2006, at 2:55 PM, pjb12345uk wrote: > >  > i am a researcher ,therapist, writer in touch with people from what > many people would consider  , other researchers ,therapists , > doctors, healers who inform me and I share with me some of their > valuable information and i share this healing information with > those who are sincere in their attempts to get well. > > The approach very often taken to get well is through natural means > and is a n holistic approach-ie it attempts to meet our healing > needs on many levels .Mentally spiritually and physically . > As we are all three. Certain principles are out lined these include > attention to diet and nutrition. Attention to attitudes and thought > processes. Attention to the spiritual side of us.and attention to > the actions we do. You will find these principles well covered on my > web site. A wide number of therapies can be utilised these include > massage, nutrition intake . spiritual healing, Reiki, earth energy > karma therapy, the option method . Colour healing ,rife therapy, > osteopathy, detoxing, not to mention the bombardment of natural > substances from castor oil packs to salt and vinegar .and sometimes > what is needed most is good old and invaluable love and support to > which without I doubt we could even exist . > > Oh one final point I do not recommend a lot of meds unless there is > one specific enough that gives overwhelming benefits without a > massive downside ie it destroys some of your mental faculties or > your liver . >     > i sell nothing health related . > > my web site > >  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ > > looking forward to sharing > > phil > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 I hear you Sharon. I quit smoking a year ago this month and I swear my body has fallen apart since but it does sound like I have had it easier then you have hun. Dawn Sharon Fielding <ribbon54sews@...> wrote: Hi Dawn, My name is Sharon. I lived in my home town, Kennett Square, PA and Warwick, RI I have had stroke/aphasia/RA. Wow what a time! Dawn wrote: Hello all, my name is Dawn and I live in south east iowa. I found out I had RA this fall and have been seeing doctor after doctor. I am taking neproxen, methotroxate, folic asid, lexipro, and welbatrin (sorry if misspelled but I haven't really been interested in making sure I spell them right augh). I have been having problems with sleeping all the time. I mean I would wake up at seven get my son off to school and come home to sleep until three pm. I went through a sleep study and they said it is due to dression which is what I told my doctor months and months ago. It is frustrateing to me when a doctor won't listen to me about my body grrrr. At least when my hands flared up and I told him my family has a history of RA he gave me a test and found it early. My Aunt is in the advanse stages of RA and has had a knee replaced and has lost the use of her left arm because of the elbow. Hense my depression, I know what this can do. I was so gald to find this group. It really helps to talk to others who are where I am. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 ---hi carol its not about holistic healing per se..healing is about anything that works , it is no good saying all drugs are bad and all holistic healing is good .. it is what works using therapies that can provide evidence , and then to see if these things can be used sucessfully with you. that is all ... and from my digging and people sharing with me it appears ----for those people who will examine , and evaluate information and are willing to try there are a few therapies that are worth trying . must try not to give up, phil In , Carol Zwald <zwaldski@...> wrote: > > Hi..... > > You're a researcher, therapist, writer........... > I am a person with RA....... > I hear ya - and before I came down with disease I would have and did > swear by natural and holistic healing. I have a sister with lupus and > tried to get her to switch over....... don't poison your body I told > her....... > > Now - I have RA.......... until you walk the walk...... it's really a > horse of another color to say what you would do or even what's the best > thing...... I don't mean to be rude. I wish with all my heart I could > trust and put faith in natural and holistic healing...... when you're > hurting like we are - straight up - you want drugs that work and work > FAST. > > respectfully yours. > hugs > carol > > On May 6, 2006, at 2:55 PM, pjb12345uk wrote: > > > > >  > > i am a researcher ,therapist, writer in touch with people from what > > many people would consider  , other researchers ,therapists , > > doctors, healers who inform me and I share with me some of their > > valuable information and i share this healing information with > > those who are sincere in their attempts to get well. > > > > The approach very often taken to get well is through natural means > > and is a n holistic approach-ie it attempts to meet our healing > > needs on many levels .Mentally spiritually and physically . > > As we are all three. Certain principles are out lined these include > > attention to diet and nutrition. Attention to attitudes and thought > > processes. Attention to the spiritual side of us.and attention to > > the actions we do. You will find these principles well covered on my > > web site. A wide number of therapies can be utilised these include > > massage, nutrition intake . spiritual healing, Reiki, earth energy > > karma therapy, the option method . Colour healing ,rife therapy, > > osteopathy, detoxing, not to mention the bombardment of natural > > substances from castor oil packs to salt and vinegar .and sometimes > > what is needed most is good old and invaluable love and support to > > which without I doubt we could even exist . > > > > Oh one final point I do not recommend a lot of meds unless there is > > one specific enough that gives overwhelming benefits without a > > massive downside ie it destroys some of your mental faculties or > > your liver . > >     > > i sell nothing health related . > > > > my web site > > > >  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ > > > > looking forward to sharing > > > > phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Hi Dawn. Welcome to our group. Depression is an awful thing. Is there another doctor you can see? Is there someone that the sleep study center can recommend? I would think they would have a doctor there that can advise you. I didn't think sleep study clinics just diagnose, but maybe I'm wrong. What happened to your aunt doesn't have to happen to you. There are many new treatments available that are preventing the damage. Many people live a very good life in spite of having RA. a On May 6, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Dawn wrote: > Hello all, my name is Dawn and I live in south east iowa. I found out > I had RA this fall and have been seeing doctor after doctor. I am > taking neproxen, methotroxate, folic asid, lexipro, and welbatrin > (sorry if misspelled but I haven't really been interested in making > sure I spell them right augh). I have been having problems with > sleeping all the time. I mean I would wake up at seven get my son off > to school and come home to sleep until three pm. I went through a > sleep study and they said it is due to dression which is what I told > my doctor months and months ago. It is frustrateing to me when a > doctor won't listen to me about my body grrrr. At least when my hands > flared up and I told him my family has a history of RA he gave me a > test and found it early. My Aunt is in the advanse stages of RA and > has had a knee replaced and has lost the use of her left arm because > of the elbow. Hense my depression, I know what this can do. I was so > gald to find this group. It really helps to talk to others who are > where I am. Thank you. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 I have had good success using a blend of traditional and complementary therapies. I take RA meds, but I also get massage, chiropractic adjustments,and acupuncture. I went on an elimination diet to explore the possiblity of food sensitivities, made some discoveries, and try to avoid problem foods. I swim, meditate, and practice Qigong and yoga. It's been a good plan for me. Sierra > > > > > > > >  > > > i am a researcher ,therapist, writer in touch with people > from what > > > many people would consider  , other researchers ,therapists , > > > doctors, healers who inform me and I share with me some of > their > > > valuable information and i share this healing information with > > > those who are sincere in their attempts to get well. > > > > > > The approach very often taken to get well is through natural > means > > > and is a n holistic approach-ie it attempts to meet our healing > > > needs on many levels .Mentally spiritually and physically . > > > As we are all three. Certain principles are out lined these > include > > > attention to diet and nutrition. Attention to attitudes and > thought > > > processes. Attention to the spiritual side of us.and attention > to > > > the actions we do. You will find these principles well covered > on my > > > web site. A wide number of therapies can be utilised these > include > > > massage, nutrition intake . spiritual healing, Reiki, earth > energy > > > karma therapy, the option method . Colour healing ,rife > therapy, > > > osteopathy, detoxing, not to mention the bombardment of natural > > > substances from castor oil packs to salt and vinegar .and > sometimes > > > what is needed most is good old and invaluable love and support > to > > > which without I doubt we could even exist . > > > > > > Oh one final point I do not recommend a lot of meds unless > there is > > > one specific enough that gives overwhelming benefits without a > > > massive downside ie it destroys some of your mental faculties or > > > your liver . > > >     > > > i sell nothing health related . > > > > > > my web site > > > > > >  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ > > > > > > looking forward to sharing > > > > > > phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Carol, I feel much the way you do. RA can be to serious of a disease to rely totally on holistic treatments. But the combination of alternative and traditional may be of great help to many of us. I can remember a time when chiropractors were considered quacks, acupuncture was totally off the wall and yoga was for wackos. I only wish we could find a way to treat this wretched disease without having to take meds that cause other problems. Maybe one day....... a On May 6, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Carol Zwald wrote: > Hi..... > > You're a researcher, therapist, writer........... > I am a person with RA....... > I hear ya - and before I came down with disease I would have and did > swear by natural and holistic healing. I have a sister with lupus and > tried to get her to switch over....... don't poison your body I told > her....... > > Now - I have RA.......... until you walk the walk...... it's really a > horse of another color to say what you would do or even what's the > best > thing...... I don't mean to be rude. I wish with all my heart I > could > trust and put faith in natural and holistic healing...... when you're > hurting like we are - straight up - you want drugs that work and work > FAST. > > respectfully yours. > hugs > carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Thanks a, The meds that the doctors are starting me out on my aunt didn't get till her RA was advanced. I have to admit it is nice to have her for support and in a small way she no longer feels alone. I have always believed that every thing happens for a reason even some of the bad stuff. As for my depression my doctor but me on an additional med friday and I feel great. I haven't taken a nap in three days. The thing I didn't like was that he waited for six months. It was the RA specialist that ordered the sleep study and the doctor in charge of this said since my sleep patterns were normal he believed the underline effect was depression. All I knew is that I didn't want to sleep my life away and wanted someone to hear me and do something about it.....finally they did. Unforgently I lost my student aid in those six months because I wasn't able to go classes and had to withdraw to protect my GPA. I can get it back but not till I can pay for a term on my own and that isn't going to happen for awhile. But you know what I am okay about that too. I do feel so much better lol. OH yeah I loved the articale on vitamin D. I try to get outside every day for a couple hours even if it is to just set and the picnic table and talk to my nieghbors and watch the kids play. I live in an apartment complex. I have been taking calcium suppliments as well as foods with calcium but I had no idea they might not be doing me any good without vitamin D. thanks for sending the link. okay enough blah blah lol Dawn a Papola <a54@...> wrote: Hi Dawn. Welcome to our group. Depression is an awful thing. Is there another doctor you can see? Is there someone that the sleep study center can recommend? I would think they would have a doctor there that can advise you. I didn't think sleep study clinics just diagnose, but maybe I'm wrong. What happened to your aunt doesn't have to happen to you. There are many new treatments available that are preventing the damage. Many people live a very good life in spite of having RA. a On May 6, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Dawn wrote: > Hello all, my name is Dawn and I live in south east iowa. I found out > I had RA this fall and have been seeing doctor after doctor. I am > taking neproxen, methotroxate, folic asid, lexipro, and welbatrin > (sorry if misspelled but I haven't really been interested in making > sure I spell them right augh). I have been having problems with > sleeping all the time. I mean I would wake up at seven get my son off > to school and come home to sleep until three pm. I went through a > sleep study and they said it is due to dression which is what I told > my doctor months and months ago. It is frustrateing to me when a > doctor won't listen to me about my body grrrr. At least when my hands > flared up and I told him my family has a history of RA he gave me a > test and found it early. My Aunt is in the advanse stages of RA and > has had a knee replaced and has lost the use of her left arm because > of the elbow. Hense my depression, I know what this can do. I was so > gald to find this group. It really helps to talk to others who are > where I am. Thank you. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Phil Lets see, we will tape your finger together so they don't work right. Then we will put splints on your legs so your knees and ankles don't bend. We won't let you get a good night sleep for about a week, just naps. Then we will take turns hitting your at random spots on your body, to cause pain. This might, and I do mean might give you a small taste of the type of thing most of us go through every day of our life!!! We don't take these drugs for the fun of it, but in a desperate search to lead a more normal and pain free life. Most of us do watch our diet and nutrition, we have to, some of the drugs make it easier to become ill, (respiratory, gastric) if we don't. Or else we have related conditions that require us to follow a certain type of diet. i know I try to eat healthy. guess I am saying to you don't talk the talk unless you have walked the walk!!!!!!! Carol Zwald <zwaldski@...> wrote: Hi..... You're a researcher, therapist, writer........... I am a person with RA....... I hear ya - and before I came down with disease I would have and did swear by natural and holistic healing. I have a sister with lupus and tried to get her to switch over....... don't poison your body I told her....... Now - I have RA.......... until you walk the walk...... it's really a horse of another color to say what you would do or even what's the best thing...... I don't mean to be rude. I wish with all my heart I could trust and put faith in natural and holistic healing...... when you're hurting like we are - straight up - you want drugs that work and work FAST. respectfully yours. hugs carol On May 6, 2006, at 2:55 PM, pjb12345uk wrote: > >  > i am a researcher ,therapist, writer in touch with people from what > many people would consider  , other researchers ,therapists , > doctors, healers who inform me and I share with me some of their > valuable information and i share this healing information with > those who are sincere in their attempts to get well. > > The approach very often taken to get well is through natural means > and is a n holistic approach-ie it attempts to meet our healing > needs on many levels .Mentally spiritually and physically . > As we are all three. Certain principles are out lined these include > attention to diet and nutrition. Attention to attitudes and thought > processes. Attention to the spiritual side of us.and attention to > the actions we do. You will find these principles well covered on my > web site. A wide number of therapies can be utilised these include > massage, nutrition intake . spiritual healing, Reiki, earth energy > karma therapy, the option method . Colour healing ,rife therapy, > osteopathy, detoxing, not to mention the bombardment of natural > substances from castor oil packs to salt and vinegar .and sometimes > what is needed most is good old and invaluable love and support to > which without I doubt we could even exist . > > Oh one final point I do not recommend a lot of meds unless there is > one specific enough that gives overwhelming benefits without a > massive downside ie it destroys some of your mental faculties or > your liver . >     > i sell nothing health related . > > my web site > >  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ > > looking forward to sharing > > phil > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Hi : I loved your description of RA - very, very right on, and well done! Do you think that Phil might " get it " a little more now? Probably not, because as you guys say, you have to walk the walk, or in some of our cases, mine included, hobble the hobble lol. Kathe in CA --- susan smith <bizzare48@...> wrote: > Phil > Lets see, we will tape your finger together so > they don't work right. Then we will put splints on > your legs so your knees and ankles don't bend. We > won't let you get a good night sleep for about a > week, just naps. Then we will take turns hitting > your at random spots on your body, to cause pain. > This might, and I do mean might give you a small > taste of the type of thing most of us go through > every day of our life!!! > We don't take these drugs for the fun of it, but > in a desperate search to lead a more normal and pain > free life. Most of us do watch our diet and > nutrition, we have to, some of the drugs make it > easier to become ill, (respiratory, gastric) if we > don't. Or else we have related conditions that > require us to follow a certain type of diet. i know > I try to eat healthy. guess I am saying to you > don't talk the talk unless you have walked the > walk!!!!!!! > > Carol Zwald <zwaldski@...> wrote: > Hi..... > > You're a researcher, therapist, writer........... > I am a person with RA....... > I hear ya - and before I came down with disease I > would have and did > swear by natural and holistic healing. I have a > sister with lupus and > tried to get her to switch over....... don't poison > your body I told > her....... > > Now - I have RA.......... until you walk the > walk...... it's really a > horse of another color to say what you would do or > even what's the best > thing...... I don't mean to be rude. I wish with > all my heart I could > trust and put faith in natural and holistic > healing...... when you're > hurting like we are - straight up - you want drugs > that work and work > FAST. > > respectfully yours. > hugs > carol > > On May 6, 2006, at 2:55 PM, pjb12345uk wrote: > > > > >  > > i am a researcher ,therapist, writer in touch > with people from what > > many people would consider  , other > researchers ,therapists , > > doctors, healers who inform me and I share with > me some of their > > valuable information and i share this healing > information with > > those who are sincere in their attempts to get > well. > > > > The approach very often taken to get well is > through natural means > > and is a n holistic approach-ie it attempts to > meet our healing > > needs on many levels .Mentally spiritually and > physically . > > As we are all three. Certain principles are out > lined these include > > attention to diet and nutrition. Attention to > attitudes and thought > > processes. Attention to the spiritual side of > us.and attention to > > the actions we do. You will find these principles > well covered on my > > web site. A wide number of therapies can be > utilised these include > > massage, nutrition intake . spiritual healing, > Reiki, earth energy > > karma therapy, the option method . Colour > healing ,rife therapy, > > osteopathy, detoxing, not to mention the > bombardment of natural > > substances from castor oil packs to salt and > vinegar .and sometimes > > what is needed most is good old and invaluable > love and support to > > which without I doubt we could even exist . > > > > Oh one final point I do not recommend a lot of > meds unless there is > > one specific enough that gives overwhelming > benefits without a > > massive downside ie it destroys some of your > mental faculties or > > your liver . > >     > > i sell nothing health related . > > > > my web site > > > >  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ > > > > looking forward to sharing > > > > phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Wow! Obviously you took what phil wrote like I did. Thank you for speaking up! I am single and live by myself now that my son is grown and gone. Since RA has entered my life I find myself staying alone more and more. This is due to the fact that I truly loose patience with people. Anyway before I ramble on.......... thanks....... for seeing it like I did. XXOO Carol On May 7, 2006, at 4:00 PM, susan smith wrote: > Phil >  Lets see, we will tape your finger together so they don't work > right. Then we will put splints on your legs so your knees and ankles > don't bend. We won't let you get a good night sleep for about a week, > just naps. Then we will take turns hitting your at random spots on > your body, to cause pain. This might, and I do mean might give you a > small taste of the type of thing most of us go through every day of > our life!!! >  We don't take these drugs for the fun of it, but in a desperate > search to lead a more normal and pain free life. Most of us do watch > our diet and nutrition, we have to, some of the drugs make it easier > to become ill, (respiratory, gastric) if we don't. Or else we have > related conditions that require us to follow a certain type of diet. i > know I try to eat healthy. guess I am saying to you don't talk the > talk unless you have walked the walk!!!!!!! > > Carol Zwald <zwaldski@...> wrote: >  Hi..... > > You're a researcher, therapist, writer........... > I am a person with RA....... > I hear ya - and before I came down with disease I would have and did > swear by natural and holistic healing. I have a sister with lupus and > tried to get her to switch over....... don't poison your body I told > her....... > > Now - I have RA.......... until you walk the walk...... it's really a > horse of another color to say what you would do or even what's the > best > thing...... I don't mean to be rude. I wish with all my heart I > could > trust and put faith in natural and holistic healing...... when you're > hurting like we are - straight up - you want drugs that work and work > FAST. > > respectfully yours. > hugs > carol > > On May 6, 2006, at 2:55 PM, pjb12345uk wrote: > > > > > Â > > i am a researcher ,therapist, writer in touch with people from > what > > many people would consider  , other researchers ,therapists , > > doctors, healers who inform me and I share with me some of their > > valuable information and i share this healing information with > > those who are sincere in their attempts to get well. > > > > The approach very often taken to get well is through natural means > > and is a n holistic approach-ie it attempts to meet our healing > > needs on many levels .Mentally spiritually and physically . > > As we are all three. Certain principles are out lined these include > > attention to diet and nutrition. Attention to attitudes and thought > > processes. Attention to the spiritual side of us.and attention to > > the actions we do. You will find these principles well covered on > my > > web site. A wide number of therapies can be utilised these include > > massage, nutrition intake . spiritual healing, Reiki, earth energy > > karma therapy, the option method . Colour healing ,rife therapy, > > osteopathy, detoxing, not to mention the bombardment of natural > > substances from castor oil packs to salt and vinegar .and sometimes > > what is needed most is good old and invaluable love and support to > > which without I doubt we could even exist . > > > > Oh one final point I do not recommend a lot of meds unless there > is > > one specific enough that gives overwhelming benefits without a > > massive downside ie it destroys some of your mental faculties or > > your liver . > > Â    > > i sell nothing health related . > > > > my web site > > > > Â http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ > > > > looking forward to sharing > > > > phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Thanks for your support guys, I know I was a bit harsh, but do you know how hard it is to seal with some ordinary things sometimes, of course you do!! I walk with a cane, or as Kathy says I hobble, and am having severe hand trouble right now. i have spent the last week shopping for a car, a newer used one, but what a pain it has been. I can only look at so many in one day, cause after a while it just hurts too much, I am getting very frustrated. in WI Kathe Sabetzadeh <lv2ryd@...> wrote: Hi : I loved your description of RA - very, very right on, and well done! Do you think that Phil might " get it " a little more now? Probably not, because as you guys say, you have to walk the walk, or in some of our cases, mine included, hobble the hobble lol. Kathe in CA --- susan smith <bizzare48@...> wrote: > Phil > Lets see, we will tape your finger together so > they don't work right. Then we will put splints on > your legs so your knees and ankles don't bend. We > won't let you get a good night sleep for about a > week, just naps. Then we will take turns hitting > your at random spots on your body, to cause pain. > This might, and I do mean might give you a small > taste of the type of thing most of us go through > every day of our life!!! > We don't take these drugs for the fun of it, but > in a desperate search to lead a more normal and pain > free life. Most of us do watch our diet and > nutrition, we have to, some of the drugs make it > easier to become ill, (respiratory, gastric) if we > don't. Or else we have related conditions that > require us to follow a certain type of diet. i know > I try to eat healthy. guess I am saying to you > don't talk the talk unless you have walked the > walk!!!!!!! > > Carol Zwald <zwaldski@...> wrote: > Hi..... > > You're a researcher, therapist, writer........... > I am a person with RA....... > I hear ya - and before I came down with disease I > would have and did > swear by natural and holistic healing. I have a > sister with lupus and > tried to get her to switch over....... don't poison > your body I told > her....... > > Now - I have RA.......... until you walk the > walk...... it's really a > horse of another color to say what you would do or > even what's the best > thing...... I don't mean to be rude. I wish with > all my heart I could > trust and put faith in natural and holistic > healing...... when you're > hurting like we are - straight up - you want drugs > that work and work > FAST. > > respectfully yours. > hugs > carol > > On May 6, 2006, at 2:55 PM, pjb12345uk wrote: > > > > >  > > i am a researcher ,therapist, writer in touch > with people from what > > many people would consider  , other > researchers ,therapists , > > doctors, healers who inform me and I share with > me some of their > > valuable information and i share this healing > information with > > those who are sincere in their attempts to get > well. > > > > The approach very often taken to get well is > through natural means > > and is a n holistic approach-ie it attempts to > meet our healing > > needs on many levels .Mentally spiritually and > physically . > > As we are all three. Certain principles are out > lined these include > > attention to diet and nutrition. Attention to > attitudes and thought > > processes. Attention to the spiritual side of > us.and attention to > > the actions we do. You will find these principles > well covered on my > > web site. A wide number of therapies can be > utilised these include > > massage, nutrition intake . spiritual healing, > Reiki, earth energy > > karma therapy, the option method . Colour > healing ,rife therapy, > > osteopathy, detoxing, not to mention the > bombardment of natural > > substances from castor oil packs to salt and > vinegar .and sometimes > > what is needed most is good old and invaluable > love and support to > > which without I doubt we could even exist . > > > > Oh one final point I do not recommend a lot of > meds unless there is > > one specific enough that gives overwhelming > benefits without a > > massive downside ie it destroys some of your > mental faculties or > > your liver . > >     > > i sell nothing health related . > > > > my web site > > > >  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ > > > > looking forward to sharing > > > > phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 ---hi about your ra and depression , i am currently writing a book on depression from an holistic viewpoint ,it has about 20 odd different things you can do .i can send you the factual stuff if you are interesed f.o.c. phil In , " Dawn " <iowadarlingforever@...> wrote: > > Hello all, my name is Dawn and I live in south east iowa. I found out > I had RA this fall and have been seeing doctor after doctor. I am > taking neproxen, methotroxate, folic asid, lexipro, and welbatrin > (sorry if misspelled but I haven't really been interested in making > sure I spell them right augh). I have been having problems with > sleeping all the time. I mean I would wake up at seven get my son off > to school and come home to sleep until three pm. I went through a > sleep study and they said it is due to dression which is what I told > my doctor months and months ago. It is frustrateing to me when a > doctor won't listen to me about my body grrrr. At least when my hands > flared up and I told him my family has a history of RA he gave me a > test and found it early. My Aunt is in the advanse stages of RA and > has had a knee replaced and has lost the use of her left arm because > of the elbow. Hense my depression, I know what this can do. I was so > gald to find this group. It really helps to talk to others who are > where I am. Thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 ---that sounds very encouraging and goes aqlong with a lot of what i have been led to or uncovered . nice to hear good story phil In , " snowdrift52003 " <snowdrift52003@...> wrote: > > I have had good success using a blend of traditional and > complementary therapies. I take RA meds, but I also get massage, > chiropractic adjustments,and acupuncture. I went on an elimination > diet to explore the possiblity of food sensitivities, made some > discoveries, and try to avoid problem foods. I swim, meditate, and > practice Qigong and yoga. It's been a good plan for me. > > Sierra > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > i am a researcher ,therapist, writer in touch with people > > from what > > > > many people would consider  , other > researchers ,therapists , > > > > doctors, healers who inform me and I share with me some of > > their > > > > valuable information and i share this healing information > with > > > > those who are sincere in their attempts to get well. > > > > > > > > The approach very often taken to get well is through natural > > means > > > > and is a n holistic approach-ie it attempts to meet our healing > > > > needs on many levels .Mentally spiritually and physically . > > > > As we are all three. Certain principles are out lined these > > include > > > > attention to diet and nutrition. Attention to attitudes and > > thought > > > > processes. Attention to the spiritual side of us.and attention > > to > > > > the actions we do. You will find these principles well covered > > on my > > > > web site. A wide number of therapies can be utilised these > > include > > > > massage, nutrition intake . spiritual healing, Reiki, earth > > energy > > > > karma therapy, the option method . Colour healing ,rife > > therapy, > > > > osteopathy, detoxing, not to mention the bombardment of natural > > > > substances from castor oil packs to salt and vinegar .and > > sometimes > > > > what is needed most is good old and invaluable love and > support > > to > > > > which without I doubt we could even exist . > > > > > > > > Oh one final point I do not recommend a lot of meds unless > > there is > > > > one specific enough that gives overwhelming benefits without a > > > > massive downside ie it destroys some of your mental faculties > or > > > > your liver . > > > >     > > > > i sell nothing health related . > > > > > > > > my web site > > > > > > > >  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ > > > > > > > > looking forward to sharing > > > > > > > > phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 ---if you mean by that have i suffered in my life , i can tell you that most sureely do i qualify in that depts . in more ways than you can possibly imagine.....mentally physically and spiritualy for years decades. -if fact i orght to write a book on that very subject it would provide a lot of education to a lot of people. i dont wish to dwell to much on the suffering part but mainly focus on what to do to get right or better .for answers have been given to me on why me .. phil In , susan smith <bizzare48@...> wrote: > > Phil > Lets see, we will tape your finger together so they don't work right. Then we will put splints on your legs so your knees and ankles don't bend. We won't let you get a good night sleep for about a week, just naps. Then we will take turns hitting your at random spots on your body, to cause pain. This might, and I do mean might give you a small taste of the type of thing most of us go through every day of our life!!! > We don't take these drugs for the fun of it, but in a desperate search to lead a more normal and pain free life. Most of us do watch our diet and nutrition, we have to, some of the drugs make it easier to become ill, (respiratory, gastric) if we don't. Or else we have related conditions that require us to follow a certain type of diet. i know I try to eat healthy. guess I am saying to you don't talk the talk unless you have walked the walk!!!!!!! > > Carol Zwald <zwaldski@...> wrote: > Hi..... > > You're a researcher, therapist, writer........... > I am a person with RA....... > I hear ya - and before I came down with disease I would have and did > swear by natural and holistic healing. I have a sister with lupus and > tried to get her to switch over....... don't poison your body I told > her....... > > Now - I have RA.......... until you walk the walk...... it's really a > horse of another color to say what you would do or even what's the best > thing...... I don't mean to be rude. I wish with all my heart I could > trust and put faith in natural and holistic healing...... when you're > hurting like we are - straight up - you want drugs that work and work > FAST. > > respectfully yours. > hugs > carol > > On May 6, 2006, at 2:55 PM, pjb12345uk wrote: > > > > >  > > i am a researcher ,therapist, writer in touch with people from what > > many people would consider  , other researchers ,therapists , > > doctors, healers who inform me and I share with me some of their > > valuable information and i share this healing information with > > those who are sincere in their attempts to get well. > > > > The approach very often taken to get well is through natural means > > and is a n holistic approach-ie it attempts to meet our healing > > needs on many levels .Mentally spiritually and physically . > > As we are all three. Certain principles are out lined these include > > attention to diet and nutrition. Attention to attitudes and thought > > processes. Attention to the spiritual side of us.and attention to > > the actions we do. You will find these principles well covered on my > > web site. A wide number of therapies can be utilised these include > > massage, nutrition intake . spiritual healing, Reiki, earth energy > > karma therapy, the option method . Colour healing ,rife therapy, > > osteopathy, detoxing, not to mention the bombardment of natural > > substances from castor oil packs to salt and vinegar .and sometimes > > what is needed most is good old and invaluable love and support to > > which without I doubt we could even exist . > > > > Oh one final point I do not recommend a lot of meds unless there is > > one specific enough that gives overwhelming benefits without a > > massive downside ie it destroys some of your mental faculties or > > your liver . > >     > > i sell nothing health related . > > > > my web site > > > >  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ > > > > looking forward to sharing > > > > phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Hi again Liddy, Yep everything will be fine, gleevec is a wonder drug for many of us I started it in 04 with 400mg and have been on the same dosage since. I have side effects that keep me from working but it is allot better than not taking it. Terry On 9/15/07, Liddy <calicolid@...> wrote: > > Hi there, > I'm new here, well been here a couple of weeks but just been lurking > and reading the messages. > I'm once again so grateful that Glivec is available here in NZ and can > be covered by Govt. funding. > I was diagnosed in Nov.2001 and spent 2002 on Interferon which is not > a nice drug at all. The side effects were pretty horrendous and I had > to be on other meds to cope with them. > However at the beginning of 2003 I was lucky enough to be accepted for > the Glevac programme and I haven't looked back.I'm considered to be in > remission and I only see my wonderful oncologist every three months, > have to have blood tests monthly but that's all. > I work full-time in a busy restaurant and most of the time I cope > fine. I do get pretty tired sometimes and depression can creep in but > I keep myself very busy doing all the things I love to do and it > usually goes fairly fast. > I'm lucky enough to share a house with my best friend and she has been > my rock through this whole thing, she nags when I work too hard, comes > to the oncologist with me and drags me off to the scrap-book shop when > I'm down LOL. > Anyway just wanted to say be strong and believe it will be ok. > Cheers > Liddy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 O!!! YIPPEEE!!! Number 1096 in the Zero Club Zavie Zavie (age 69) 67 Shoreham Avenue Ottawa, Canada, K2G 3X3 dxd AUG/99 INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01 Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg) CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club 2.8 log reduction Sep/05 3.0 log reduction Jan/06 2.9 log reduction Feb/07 3.2 log reduction Jun/07 e-mail: zmiller@... Tel: 613-726-1117 Fax: 309-296-0807 Cell: 613-202-0204 ID: zaviem _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Liddy Sent: September 15, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [ ] Saying Hello Hi there, I'm new here, well been here a couple of weeks but just been lurking and reading the messages. I'm once again so grateful that Glivec is available here in NZ and can be covered by Govt. funding. I was diagnosed in Nov.2001 and spent 2002 on Interferon which is not a nice drug at all. The side effects were pretty horrendous and I had to be on other meds to cope with them. However at the beginning of 2003 I was lucky enough to be accepted for the Glevac programme and I haven't looked back.I'm considered to be in remission and I only see my wonderful oncologist every three months, have to have blood tests monthly but that's all. I work full-time in a busy restaurant and most of the time I cope fine. I do get pretty tired sometimes and depression can creep in but I keep myself very busy doing all the things I love to do and it usually goes fairly fast. I'm lucky enough to share a house with my best friend and she has been my rock through this whole thing, she nags when I work too hard, comes to the oncologist with me and drags me off to the scrap-book shop when I'm down LOL. Anyway just wanted to say be strong and believe it will be ok. Cheers Liddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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