RE: New Diagnoses

[Guest guest]

I feel so bad for you. Matt was diagnosed 2 years ago. Alot of the same

diagnoses Elias has. My ex moved out 2 days later!!!!! I can certainly relate.

My family is 400 miles away and due to the rather abusive nature of my ex and

the usual problems with Matt - I have very few friends. It's just me and my

boys against the world.

Try the meds - it has helped so much. I still have problems with Matt but he is

a new kid most of the time. It really helps. He isn't a zombied out kid. The

meds (prozac) just make it easier for him to get his temper under control. It

has been alife saver.

Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!

( ) New diagnoses

I just got off the phone with the school psychologist, who has so far

impressed me as very competent, thorough and compassionate and has a minor

expertise in autistic children, so I trust her opinion quite a bit. She's

been running full psych evaluations on Elias, who will turn 6 in February,

for the last 2 weeks. He hasn't had any thorough evaluations since he was

3, since we moved to FL when he was due to be reevaluated at age 4, and we

didn't have any insurance until he finally qualified for Medicaid this past

September. She's concluded that there's " no question in her mind " that he

has moderate (not mild as we thought) Asperger's Syndrome, severe

dysgraphia, severe hand/eye and fine motor skills delays, " one of the most

severe cases of ADHD [she] has ever seen, " and moderate Oppositional

Defiance Disorder, which, she says, will probably get worse as he gets

older. Oh, and a genius IQ.

This has come as a major blow to me. I know his behavior has gotten

terrible this past year; I was chalking it up to having moved from the only

house he'd ever lived in his whole life in Massachusetts, to Florida away

from his dad and everything he'd known. His tantrums, which had almost

disappeared in MA, came back in full force in FL. He's become physically

aggressive to me and other children. He gets anxiety attacks over his

handwriting homework every night due to the dysgraphia and hand/eye delays -

he writes beautiful sentences that, no matter how hard he tries, come out

completely illegible. Last night's anxiety attack escalated into a full

blown tantrum which ended with him punching me in the face. I have severe

bronchitis right now, and I got so overwhelmed and upset about it that made

me have an asthma attack. I read on the Internet that married parents of

autistic children have stress levels up to 85% higher than married parents

of NT kids. I'm a single parent with little to no local support - does that

mean my stress levels are at 170% higher? Heh.

Anyway, they're now saying that they think he obviously has a lot of

neurological problems and that he needs a full work up from a medical

psychiatrist as well. The shrink says I need to stay open to medication,

which in her opinion he really needs. That's all fine, he has an

appointment in January with one, who will probably recommend a neurologist.

The psychologist is also now saying that she doesn't think the

self-contained classroom is AT ALL appropriate for Elias because they're all

children who are severely autistic with only one other Aspie among the 12

students there, and she doesn't have the ADHD/ODD and the other

disabilities. The other autistic kids though are all academically delayed;

my son is nearly at a 3rd grade level right now. The psychologist said that

" between her and me " I should fight if they try to stick him in that

classroom and try to find a " more appropriate and beneficial " solution, and

implied that the school administrators were going to try to find a pat

convenient solution that wouldn't necessarily work with Eli's full

intellectual potential OR serve his social and psychological needs. I

really appreciated hearing that; it was diplomatically said, but very

honest. Right now he's in a regular classroom (where the teacher has

really and truly gone above and beyond the call of duty has done everything

under the sun to accommodate him to no avail) with 2 hours a day with a

" varying exceptionalities " teacher who works on more challenging schoolwork

with him as well as behavioral issues. He hates his schoolwork in

kindergarten, and has started refusing to do any of the (admittedly

time-wasting and stupid) homework that his regular kindergarten teacher

sends home. The school psychologist says they ought to put him with the

varying exceptionalities teacher permanently.

But, my only family in this area has reacted with abject horror at the

thought that my son has a BIOLOGICALLY based disability that needs

medication. They're my only support right now, and I know they're going to

give me hassle on a near daily basis if I medicate him. I mean I do think

children are sometimes too easily medicated these days, but I KNOW my kid

isn't one of those cases and I *know* he needs it. But they're like " It'll

mess up his brain! Those things are addictive! It's so selfish to medicate

him because he's hard on you! " etc.. And they don't listen to me when I show

them reports that say otherwise. So I know this will be constant harassment

from them.

Sorry to vent and rant. I'm just totally dismayed that it's much worse than

I thought with him. Does anyone else have a child with Oppositional

Defiance Disorder? The school psychologist said that it's fairly common

among Aspies if they're the type that can't understand the logic behind

behavioral rules at all (he doesn't understand why he can't play in the

classroom AND the playground, for example, and constantly gets into trouble

because he wants to play with the kids in the classroom too.) On the one

hand this is such GOOD news - it ought to help us get a lot more services

for him and help with the application for SSI - but on the other hand... the

road ahead looks much longer and harder now.

Thanks for reading if you made it this far. Any insight y'all may have will

be appreciated.

God bless,

[Guest guest]

, if the doc wants to medicate the child, and you want to medicate,

then it's nobody else's business. I'd tell the relatives to butt out of it,

and give them no information at all. If they can't handle that, then you

don't need the extra stress of having to deal with them, sorry to say.

You need your energy to cope with your child, and any help they would

provide would be overshadowed by the additional stress. They'll come around

eventually, especially when they find out how well your child will be doing

on meds.

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

----- Original Message -----

From: " L. " <andrea@...>

> But, my only family in this area has reacted with abject horror at the

> thought that my son has a BIOLOGICALLY based disability that needs

> medication. They're my only support right now, and I know they're going

to

> give me hassle on a near daily basis if I medicate him. I mean I do think

> children are sometimes too easily medicated these days, but I KNOW my kid

> isn't one of those cases and I *know* he needs it. But they're like

" It'll

> mess up his brain! Those things are addictive! It's so selfish to medicate

> him because he's hard on you! " etc.. And they don't listen to me when I

show

> them reports that say otherwise. So I know this will be constant

harassment

> from them.

[Guest guest]

Hi ...my older son was evaluated by a neuropsychologist about a year

ago. It really gave us alot of insight into how he functions. She said he

showed symptoms of Asperger's and Oppositional Defiant Disorder (just not enough

to warrant a full diagnosed of the ODD). He definitely has trouble with rules

and authority. Last year was a nightmare with a nightmare teacher. This year

he started middle school (7th) and he is really doing well behaviorally. He

is still very disorganized, his grades really reflect the fact that he doesn't

do homework enough, LOL, and two of his teachers say he sometimes impulsively

shouts out in class. He has been on Zoloft for several years now and a low

dose has really helped with his negative affect, self regulation and outbursts.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Hey, I'm impressed you've got such a great school psych! That's a

huge plus to have her on your side and to be knowledgeable!!

This is my opinion, I'm just a parent. I think that once Elias

begins to receive the proper supports for his Aspergers, ADHD, etc.,

AND his high IQ, that behaviors will improve some on their own.

Might even lose the ODD diagnosis later. Things just can change

overnight, unfortunately!

Regarding medication - well, perhaps you can just tell your family

regarding not the AS but the other, something like: his brain isn't

sending the right signals/messages and medication will help to

correct that for now. They don't have to look at it as being on

medication for a lifetime.

I don't have a son with ADHD or ODD. One of my sons, almost 15, does

have OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder) and that's sort of how we

explain how meds help him. He doesn't have any behavior problems

luckily, it's just to help him deal with all the wrong messages OCD

is sending his brain, it reduces the anxiety, helps him cope better,

fight the compulsions, etc.

He also has a dysgraphia diagnosis. And his fine & gross motor

skills were delayed/behind growing up. I just got him diagnosed with

HFA/Aspergers earlier this year (!) at age 14. He's also in the

gifted classes at school, no genius, just above average on testing,

etc., higher in some areas than others.

Having a learning disability and being gifted can cause behavior

problems also, as you already can tell with your son refusing some of

the easier, less challenging work.

You are doing such a great job and I'm so glad your school seems so

supportive! Please keep us updated on how things are going and you

do what you feel is right for your child. Gotta go!

- single mom, 3 sons -

> I just got off the phone with the school psychologist, who has so

far

> impressed me as very competent, thorough and compassionate and has

a minor

> expertise in autistic children, so I trust her opinion quite a

bit. She's

> been running full psych evaluations on Elias, who will turn 6 in

February,

> for the last 2 weeks. He hasn't had any thorough evaluations since

[Guest guest]

I agree with 100%. It's none of their business!

Meredith

(who thinks Noah has ODD as well)

> , if the doc wants to medicate the child, and you want to

medicate,

> then it's nobody else's business. I'd tell the relatives to butt

out of it,

> and give them no information at all. If they can't handle that,

then you

> don't need the extra stress of having to deal with them, sorry to

say.

>

> You need your energy to cope with your child, and any help they

would

> provide would be overshadowed by the additional stress. They'll

come around

> eventually, especially when they find out how well your child will

be doing

> on meds.

>

> / 4makelas@s...

> Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " L. " <andrea@p...>

> > But, my only family in this area has reacted with abject horror

at the

> > thought that my son has a BIOLOGICALLY based disability that needs

> > medication. They're my only support right now, and I know

they're going

> to

> > give me hassle on a near daily basis if I medicate him. I mean I

do think

> > children are sometimes too easily medicated these days, but I

KNOW my kid

> > isn't one of those cases and I *know* he needs it. But they're

like

> " It'll

> > mess up his brain! Those things are addictive! It's so selfish to

medicate

> > him because he's hard on you! " etc.. And they don't listen to me

when I

> show

> > them reports that say otherwise. So I know this will be constant

> harassment

> > from them.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/3/2003 4:28:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

haleyk@... writes:

Thanks for reading if you made it this far. Any insight y'all may have will

be appreciated.

where in Fla do you live and a lot of times remember kids

look worse when they are younger, when my son was younger he had a lot more

behavioral issues then he has now.

[Guest guest]

Michele,

Thank you so much, I really needed to hear that. =)

>>a lot of times remember kids

look worse when they are younger, when my son was younger he had a lot more

behavioral issues then he has now.

[Guest guest]

Thank you all so much for your responses and support. Honestly this has got to

be the best mailing list on the Internet. At least I think so. =)

Roxanna wrote:

>>ODD would be eliminated from anything to do with my kid. Make sure that the

school psych is allowed to hand out dx's like this. Is she a ph.d.? <<

No, but she made it clear she's " just doing an evaluation for placement

purposes " and that he should get a diagnosis from a clinical psychiatrist. He

has an appointment with one January 15 but this means that this is all going to

take TIME. At least the vice principal of the school today assured me that his

" official label " would be autism and agreed that an ODD label with an AS child

was totally inappropriate, but she insisted that " oppositional " and " defiant "

were " appropriate descriptors for his behavior. " Which I agree with,

personally, but on paper it carries far different implications.

>>Of course he doesn't want to do school work that is boring and useless to him.

My 7 yo is in 2nd grade this year and I've worked it out with past teachers to

exempt him from busy work like that. For instance, when they were teaching the

number line last year, he refused to do it. And it was not necessary to make

him since he already knew how to add and subtract. I don't consider this kind

of behavior ODD at all. His teachers have been smart and knew he found some

things redundant so they never pushed him on these kinds of things at all. <<

His teachers are currently sympathetic to all that, but they're still sending

home the busywork. My son is reading at a near 3rd grade level and they're

still making him do collages of the letter N. Ugh.

>>There is no good way to place a child like yours. At least, since I have one

like this, I haven't figured it out. I have a friend with a child like this

also who is flopping along like me, playing it one day at a time as to how to

balance it all. <<

The vice principal and I had a long talk today and she said that she felt that

because his tantrums had increased and his aggression had worsened these past

few weeks. She asked several times what had changed; I wanted to say that I

didn't know, that things had been pretty much on an even keel (i.e.,

consistently horrible) at home with him for over a year and nothing had

worsened, but I only brought up an incident the other day at Sunday school where

he finally had a " breakthrough " and realized that some other children were

ridiculing him and things like that. So now he's become really aggressive to

other children.

The VP says that she DOES believe the self-contained classroom is the best

environment for him because his main difficulty is with transitions, which the

autism teachers are specially trained in. But then she said that with his

increase in aggression towards himself, property, and others, she was going to

have to start " documenting " every incident of aggression and that I had to

" prepare for the possibility " that he was going to have to be SUSPENDED FROM

SCHOOL FOR 2 DAYS AT A TIME if it came to the point where they just couldn't

deal with him. And that I should be prepared to receive calls like that if

things continue.

Did I mention he's 5 and in kindergarten? ly I was speechless. I felt

like saying, if you can't deal with him when he's 5, what good are you people

going to be when he's 12? If you're having to suspend a special needs

kindergartener, doesn't that make *you* a complete failure? Granted, this is

the best program for autistic children in my county. Sad.

I politely told her that this seemed way more hassle than it was worth, and that

if it came to the point where they were suspending him every 5 minutes, I would

just pull him out of school and go back to homeschooling. That was when the fun

started. She immediately started begging - literally begging, y'all - to give

her a chance to work with him and see if they can find a better placement (it's

clear that mainstreamed with " resource help " isn't it). I thought her pleading

was really odd, but whatever, I said OK. THEN she had the appalling bad taste

to say that she felt that homeschooling was a " big mistake " because he needed

the " socialization " component. GRRRRRRRRRRR. That " But he needs to socialize! "

is the biggest pet peeve most homeschoolers have when talking to people who are

skeptical of HS. HELLO, of COURSE he does, and it's not like I plan to lock him

in the damn closet all day! There are plenty of things to do where he can

" socialize " with kids that don't involve forcing the kid to make books of

ladybugs counting up to 5 (when he's adding and subtracting to 2 places these

days) and sit quietly for 7 hours a day (boyscouts, sports, playgroups.)

Meanwhile they're going to be building up a long list of " documented " incidents

of acting out and probable suspensions.

I really, really wish I could afford to homeschool again. I am so upset. I'm

looking in to scholarships for HSing single parents and things like that. It's

hard on me to spend so much time with him, but I just have the feeling this is

going to end up badly. I mean, I feel like they're writing him off and he's

only 5!

Ahhh. I guess I ranted again. Sorry about that. =) Anyway, y'all, thanks so

much for being there for me. It really does make such a huge difference knowing

people out there understand what's going on.

[Guest guest]

>

> >>ODD would be eliminated from anything to do with my kid. Make

sure that the school psych is allowed to hand out dx's like this. Is

she a ph.d.? <<

>

> No, but she made it clear she's " just doing an evaluation for

placement purposes " and that he should get a diagnosis from a

clinical psychiatrist. He has an appointment with one January 15 but

this means that this is all going to take TIME. At least the vice

principal of the school today assured me that his " official label "

would be autism and agreed that an ODD label with an AS child was

totally inappropriate, but she insisted that " oppositional "

and " defiant " were " appropriate descriptors for his behavior. " Which

I agree with, personally, but on paper it carries far different

implications.

>

> >>Of course he doesn't want to do school work that is boring and

useless to him. My 7 yo is in 2nd grade this year and I've worked it

out with past teachers to exempt him from busy work like that. For

instance, when they were teaching the number line last year, he

refused to do it. And it was not necessary to make him since he

already knew how to add and subtract. I don't consider this kind of

behavior ODD at all. His teachers have been smart and knew he found

some things redundant so they never pushed him on these kinds of

things at all. <<

>

> His teachers are currently sympathetic to all that, but they're

still sending home the busywork. My son is reading at a near 3rd

grade level and they're still making him do collages of the letter

N. Ugh.

>

> >>There is no good way to place a child like yours. At least,

since I have one like this, I haven't figured it out. I have a

friend with a child like this also who is flopping along like me,

playing it one day at a time as to how to balance it all. <<

>

> The vice principal and I had a long talk today and she said that

she felt that because his tantrums had increased and his aggression

had worsened these past few weeks. She asked several times what had

changed; I wanted to say that I didn't know, that things had been

pretty much on an even keel (i.e., consistently horrible) at home

with him for over a year and nothing had worsened, but I only brought

up an incident the other day at Sunday school where he finally had

a " breakthrough " and realized that some other children were

ridiculing him and things like that. So now he's become really

aggressive to other children.

>

> The VP says that she DOES believe the self-contained classroom is

the best environment for him because his main difficulty is with

transitions, which the autism teachers are specially trained in. But

then she said that with his increase in aggression towards himself,

property, and others, she was going to have to start " documenting "

every incident of aggression and that I had to " prepare for the

possibility " that he was going to have to be SUSPENDED FROM SCHOOL

FOR 2 DAYS AT A TIME if it came to the point where they just couldn't

deal with him. And that I should be prepared to receive calls like

that if things continue.

>

> Did I mention he's 5 and in kindergarten? ly I was

speechless. I felt like saying, if you can't deal with him when he's

5, what good are you people going to be when he's 12? If you're

having to suspend a special needs kindergartener, doesn't that make

*you* a complete failure? Granted, this is the best program for

autistic children in my county. Sad.

>

> I politely told her that this seemed way more hassle than it was

worth, and that if it came to the point where they were suspending

him every 5 minutes, I would just pull him out of school and go back

to homeschooling. That was when the fun started. She immediately

started begging - literally begging, y'all - to give her a chance to

work with him and see if they can find a better placement (it's clear

that mainstreamed with " resource help " isn't it). I thought her

pleading was really odd, but whatever, I said OK. THEN she had the

appalling bad taste to say that she felt that homeschooling was

a " big mistake " because he needed the " socialization " component.

GRRRRRRRRRRR. That " But he needs to socialize! " is the biggest pet

peeve most homeschoolers have when talking to people who are

skeptical of HS. HELLO, of COURSE he does, and it's not like I plan

to lock him in the damn closet all day! There are plenty of things

to do where he can " socialize " with kids that don't involve forcing

the kid to make books of ladybugs counting up to 5 (when he's adding

and subtracting to 2 places these days) and sit quietly for 7 hours a

day (boyscouts, sports, playgroups.) Meanwhile they're going to be

building up a long list of " documented " incidents of acting out and

probable suspensions.

>

> I really, really wish I could afford to homeschool again. I am so

upset. I'm looking in to scholarships for HSing single parents and

things like that. It's hard on me to spend so much time with him,

but I just have the feeling this is going to end up badly. I mean, I

feel like they're writing him off and he's only 5!

>

> Ahhh. I guess I ranted again. Sorry about that. =) Anyway, y'all,

thanks so much for being there for me. It really does make such a

huge difference knowing people out there understand what's going on.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/5/2003 10:39:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

andrea@... writes:

Ahhh. I guess I ranted again. Sorry about that. =) Anyway, y'all, thanks so

much for being there for me. It really does make such a huge difference

knowing people out there understand what's going on.

, I am surprised she did not take you up on homeschooling so

her " problems " would go away, It must mean she is willing to work with your son.

Have they done a behavior plan on him too see when he is aggressive what is

causing the change in him? Does he have an aide? What things are they willing

to implement in order too help him? Make sure you also document everything even

if it means faxing too the school everyday.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>> , I am surprised she did not take you up on homeschooling so

her " problems " would go away, It must mean she is willing to work with your son.

<<

I think that's true tosome extent, but there is a bit of snobbery going on, too.

They all have made comments about how they think this is the best school in the

district. It's in a very wealthy section of a very poor area. Plus, like I

said, she seemed to look down on homeschooling a lot.

>> Have they done a behavior plan on him too see when he is aggressive what is

causing the change in him? <<

They know what causes his aggression - transitions. And he has a hard time with

not talking while doing work, probably because when I was homeschooling him last

year, I let him ask all the questions he wanted and I didn't see anything

particularly wrong with his habit of humming while reading or writing.

>>Does he have an aide? What things are they willing

to implement in order too help him? Make sure you also document everything even

if it means faxing too the school everyday. <<

I am documenting this by writing it all down. They're hedging on just providing

transportation - it was part of his now-expired IEP in Massachusetts. We didn't

add it to his new IEP here in FL because of the fact that we lived 3 blocks away

from the school at the time it was made, but I wasn't able to afford that

apartment and had to move much farther away, and I don't have a car. Because

of his autistic label, we're able to let him stay in the current school, but my

mother is commuting nearly 3 hours a day just to drive him to the school and

back, and that can't keep happening. I would be shocked if they would provide

him with an aide; I brought it up before at the staffing meeting and they all

exchanged incredulous looks and literally ignored me. Just like they ignore me

when I say that the reason he acts out in the mainstream clas is because it's

completely boring to him.

I'm just really freaked out and upset by the fact that they're documenting every

tantrum and threatening to PUNISH him by suspending him if he has a meltdown

when he's only 5 and has only been in their system for 2 1/2 months. That

doesn't seem like they're willing to work with him at all.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Pam!!!

Re: ( ) New diagnoses

Hi ...my older son was evaluated by a neuropsychologist about a year

ago. It really gave us alot of insight into how he functions. She said he

showed symptoms of Asperger's and Oppositional Defiant Disorder (just not

enough

to warrant a full diagnosed of the ODD). He definitely has trouble with rules

and authority. Last year was a nightmare with a nightmare teacher. This year

he started middle school (7th) and he is really doing well behaviorally. He

is still very disorganized, his grades really reflect the fact that he doesn't

do homework enough, LOL, and two of his teachers say he sometimes impulsively

shouts out in class. He has been on Zoloft for several years now and a low

dose has really helped with his negative affect, self regulation and

outbursts.

Pam

[Guest guest]

>>, if the doc wants to medicate the child, and you want to medicate,

then it's nobody else's business. I'd tell the relatives to butt out of it,

and give them no information at all. If they can't handle that, then you

don't need the extra stress of having to deal with them, sorry to say.<<

,

This is pretty much the stance I've decided to adopt. I don't plan to tell them

anything about the medication unless they're responsible for giving it to him.

Thank you!!! =)

[Guest guest]

And stick to your guns, . I really suggest that you avoid having them

responsible for him at all, at all costs. I've always had caregivers for my

children that I knew would follow my instructions explicitly. I can't

imagine having someone looking after them who would do otherwise or question

my judgement.

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

----- Original Message -----

From: " L. " <andrea@...>

> This is pretty much the stance I've decided to adopt. I don't plan to

tell them anything about the medication unless they're responsible for

giving it to him.

[Guest guest]

Roxanna,

This reminds me of when my kids were younger and had this sort of

assignment. My kids would come up with expressions involving factorials,

cube roots, division by fractions, and other things that the the teachers didn't

seem to understand and would mark wrong. (Or maybe they just couldn't read

the writing!) Oh yeah, and sometimes there were also Roman numerals

involved in the expressions.

in Massachusetts

> When my 7 yo has to do a math problem that has the kids listing 10 ways to

state the value of 10, he goes into super-speed and thinks of things like, " 990

- 980 = 10 " instead of the usual, " 11 - 1 = 10 " that the other kids will come up

with.

[Guest guest]

>Find a clinical psychologist who specializes in Greenspan's

DIR model (this includes Floor Time as part of it). I think you will

be very happy if you do.<

Thank you, . I'm reading about it right now on the 'net, and liking what

read very much. Thanks for your suggestion!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/6/2003 10:38:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

andrea@... writes:

I'm just really freaked out and upset by the fact that they're documenting

every tantrum and threatening to PUNISH him by suspending him if he has a

meltdown when he's only 5 and has only been in their system for 2 1/2 months.

That

doesn't seem like they're willing to work with him at all.

have they done a Functional Behavior Assessment?

[Guest guest]

<<<<<I'm just really freaked out and upset by the fact that they're

documenting

every tantrum and threatening to PUNISH him by suspending him if he has a

meltdown when he's only 5 and has only been in their system for 2 1/2 months

That

doesn't seem like they're willing to work with him at all.>>

NO it does not. do you ahve alternatives ?

F

[Guest guest]

F wrote:

<<<<<I'm just really freaked out and upset by the fact that they're

documenting

every tantrum and threatening to PUNISH him by suspending him if he has a

meltdown when he's only 5 and has only been in their system for 2 1/2 months

That

doesn't seem like they're willing to work with him at all.>>

>>NO it does not. do you ahve alternatives ?

Yes, I've disenrolled him out of public school altogether. I've decided to

homeschool him for the rest of the year; we're both really excited about it, and

he's only had one tantrum in over 2 weeks since he's been out of public school

(he was up to 3 or 4 PER DAY while in PS).

ly, my son is a big boy, the size of a 7 or 8 yo even though he's not even

6 yet, and he does get aggressive during tantrums and does hit and kick people,

so all these posts about the cops being called on AS kids kind of reconfirms

that I've made the right decision to keep him away from any school

administration for now. (My son is emotionally and socially about age 3 even

though intellectually and physically he's 7/8.) If they were going to be

suspending him for a tantrum at age 5, they were going to be calling the cops on

him at 6 or 7, like that's going to help anyone. Good Lord, sometimes my son

says things like " I want to blow everything up " or " I want to conquer the world "

which isn't even expressing hostility but might be something he saw on TV; I can

see him being expelled or worse in the 2nd grade for saying things like this.

What a nightmare.

[Guest guest]

I understand what you are saying, . My own sd wa atiny steop away from

getting a complaint at the police station a number of times, I think it is

only becasue tehy knew he had an insistent Borg mom that they did not do it

in the end, and i am talking aobut three different schools.

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<<<<<I'm just really freaked out and upset by the fact that they're

documenting

every tantrum and threatening to PUNISH him by suspending him if he has a

meltdown when he's only 5 and has only been in their system for 2 1/2 months

That

doesn't seem like they're willing to work with him at all.>>

>>NO it does not. do you ahve alternatives ?

Yes, I've disenrolled him out of public school altogether. I've decided to

homeschool him for the rest of the year; we're both really excited about it,

and he's only had one tantrum in over 2 weeks since he's been out of public

school (he was up to 3 or 4 PER DAY while in PS).

ly, my son is a big boy, the size of a 7 or 8 yo even though he's not

even 6 yet, and he does get aggressive during tantrums and does hit and kick

people, so all these posts about the cops being called on AS kids kind of

reconfirms that I've made the right decision to keep him away from any

school administration for now. (My son is emotionally and socially about

age 3 even though intellectually and physically he's 7/8.) If they were

going to be suspending him for a tantrum at age 5, they were going to be

calling the cops on him at 6 or 7, like that's going to help anyone. Good

Lord, sometimes my son says things like " I want to blow everything up " or " I

want to conquer the world " which isn't even expressing hostility but might

be something he saw on TV; I can see him being expelled or worse in the 2nd

grade for saying things like this. What a nightmare.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome to the club that nobody really wants to be a member of. We have all

been down this road and can offer lots of help.

Side effects usually manifest themselves in the first month or two and then

diminish.

Body aches and tiredness are common side effects and diminish over time.

After a while you will be able to make sense of my signature,

Zavie

Zavie (age 69)

67 Shoreham Avenue

Ottawa, Canada, K2G 3X3

dxd AUG/99

INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF

No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01

Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg)

CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club

2.8 log reduction Sep/05

3.0 log reduction Jan/06

2.9 log reduction Feb/07

3.2 log reduction Jun/07

3.6 log reduction Sep/07

e-mail: zmiller@...

Tel: 613-726-1117

Fax: 309-296-0807

Cell: 613-202-0204

ID: zaviem

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Fiol

Sent: January 15, 2008 3:08 PM

Subject: [ ] New Diagnoses

In December I was in the hospital for vomiting and unable to hold anything

down and I was told I have CML.

I have done a lot of research on this cancer and found some systems of CML.

I am now on Gleevek, about 2 weeks and I get these radiating fevers and a

lot of body aching and tiredness. I would love to learn more from you all.

Thank You

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[Guest guest]

Be serious about taken your drugs and always do your

routine check -up,all will be fine and you do not have

to think about CML as a stress but just be nice to

your self i assure you will be okay

Once more wellcome to the club roll

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--- In , Fiol <rachel_art_design@...>

wrote:

>

> In December I was in the hospital for vomiting and unable to hold

anything down and I was told I have CML.

> I have done a lot of research on this cancer and found some

systems of CML.

> I am now on Gleevek, about 2 weeks and I get these radiating

fevers and a lot of body aching and tiredness. I would love to learn

more from you all.

> Thank You

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>