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Hello-

There are better resources then me on this forum and I am sure they will pop

on and tell you exactly what you need to know but I wanted to let you know

that I have been on these meds for 2 3/4 years now and my count have stayed

down. My WBC stay between 2.0 and 3.5, and my hemoglobin and hematocrit are

always low as well as my platelets have ran between 60-120 for the whole time.

You want to make sure that the WBC count doesn't go below 1 or you will need

to reduce the dose or take a break from it to let the count recover.

As I said- there are better people on here that can explain things really

good. They should be along shortly. Hang in there, there will respond!

Hugs and hope-

CML 5/13/05

Spyrcel 100mg

Gleevec 800mg until 8/07

Wife and mother of 3 (12,8,6)

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Hi,

Make sure that you have a copy of all her blood work and BMA results.

In order to make sense of these results, you need to compare them to the

previous test that was done. Get hold of her previous blood work and it will

make sense. Most reports will flag results that are outside the normal

range. You say that her WBC is down, so you must have the initial report. A

WBC of 3.42 would be flagged as outside the normal range by my lab (4-11).

For patients on Gleevec, values of 2 are common. Mine run around between 3

and 5.

I always have about 6 results that are flagged outside the normal range. But

because I am on Gleevec and Coumadin, those values are considered to normal

because of the meds I’m taking.

It looks like she has hit the first milestone in the treatment with Gleevec

and that is achieving a CHR or a Complete Hematologic Response. Looking

forward to enrolling her in the Zero Club.

Zavie

Zavie (age 69)

67 Shoreham Avenue

Ottawa, Canada, K2G 3X3

dxd AUG/99

INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF

No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01

Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg)

CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club

2.8 log reduction Sep/05

3.0 log reduction Jan/06

2.9 log reduction Feb/07

3.2 log reduction Jun/07

3.6 log reduction Sep/07

e-mail: zmiller@...

Tel: 613-726-1117

Fax: 309-296-0807

Cell: 613-202-0204

ID: zaviem

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Sent: November 18, 2007 11:20 PM

Subject: [ ] Question on bloodwork

Hi folks, hoping for some insights on recent bloodwork. After two

weeks on Gleevec with minimal side effects Beths first blood work came

back to day. I noted most of her white counts are down as fallows:

WBC is 3.42, Neutrophils are 25.0, abs. neutrophils are 0.85 with

monocytes at 1.0. I also noted her RBC was 4.11. Would this be in

the realm of what we should expect in the first couple of weeks.

Should we be expecting her counts to return to more normal readings

after the gleevec has had more time to work. Just wondering because I

want to stay on top of things if she is becoming imunosuppressed to

the point that we need to pay more attention.

Thanks

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Hi,

I don't remember what Beth's WBC was on diagnosis but she's certainly

made excellent progress with Gleevec in just two weeks. If she's

also on Hydrea (as many of us were at the beginning), she should stop

taking it now.

Her WBC isn't nearly as important as her absolute neutrophil count or

ANC. You want to see her ANC at least above 1 (or 1000 depending on

the way the lab reports it). If her ANC is 0.85 it looks like she is

neutropenic. What is the normal reference range for your lab?

Usually it's around 1.5-7 (or 1500-7000) but doctors don't worry if

the ANC goes to 1 as long as it stays above 1. I suggest you

definitely check with her doctor about her ANC because 0.85 is

considered neutropenic in most labs.

Some doctors would suggest a Gleevec break if her ANC is below 1 but

others will just monitor it VERY closely and see if it can rebound on

it's own. I know that you are concerned regarding her job (as you

should be) and I don't think you'd be overreacting if she took some

time off at this point, at least until her counts stabalize. This

could take several weeks.

Her red count looks very good. The other count you want to watch is

her hemoglobin (Hgb). This will tell you if she becomes anemic.

All in all, it looks like she's responding very typically but

considering her job, and her neutropenia, I think she would be wise

to take some time off at this point. Please ask her doctor and let

us know what he/she suggests.

Take care,

Tracey

--- In , " monkeyfun_16901 " <monkeyfun_16901@...>

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>

> Hi folks, hoping for some insights on recent bloodwork. After two

> weeks on Gleevec with minimal side effects Beths first blood work

came

> back to day. I noted most of her white counts are down as fallows:

> WBC is 3.42, Neutrophils are 25.0, abs. neutrophils are 0.85 with

> monocytes at 1.0. I also noted her RBC was 4.11. Would this be in

> the realm of what we should expect in the first couple of weeks.

> Should we be expecting her counts to return to more normal readings

> after the gleevec has had more time to work. Just wondering

because I

> want to stay on top of things if she is becoming imunosuppressed to

> the point that we need to pay more attention.

> Thanks

>

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Hello, this is Beth. this is my first time in a chat, so please

forgive me for any fauxpas.

First, Thank you for all of your support!

My original WBC was 85,000, but I topped out at 89,000. I came down

to 11.6 on the hydroxurea. He took me off that when we started the

Gleevec.

We tend to dwell on the WBC, because we understand that. Everything

else is totally foreign to me, Ray understands a few more.

Forunately in my overwhelmed state when I was diagnosed, I thought

to start a binder with everthing in it. I keep a copy of all

orders,blood work,even receipts for scripts.

The ANC nl for our lab is 1.4- 6.5

My Hgb is 12.2, and that has been good all along.

We missed a call from the Dr. today, so will talk with him tomorrow.

What is your opinion on the Flu shot? And do you wear a mask when

your ANC & WBC get too low. Do I need to worry about wearing a mask

out in public, or just extra precaution at work? Sometimes it feels

like a little over kill, but then I think of the possibilities.

Thank you, again. Beth

> >

> > Hi folks, hoping for some insights on recent bloodwork. After

two

> > weeks on Gleevec with minimal side effects Beths first blood

work

> came

> > back to day. I noted most of her white counts are down as

fallows:

> > WBC is 3.42, Neutrophils are 25.0, abs. neutrophils are 0.85

with

> > monocytes at 1.0. I also noted her RBC was 4.11. Would this be

in

> > the realm of what we should expect in the first couple of

weeks.

> > Should we be expecting her counts to return to more normal

readings

> > after the gleevec has had more time to work. Just wondering

> because I

> > want to stay on top of things if she is becoming imunosuppressed

to

> > the point that we need to pay more attention.

> > Thanks

> >

>

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Hi Beth,

It's great to " meet " you. We all remember how overwhelming those

first weeks were after diagnosis but don't worry, it DOES get

better.

You're responding really well to treatment. My WBC was also 85,000

on my original blood test but then it got to 114,000 two days later.

My platelets were a bigger problem though, they went past 1.6 million

at one point before they started to come back down.

Your neutrophils are your infection fighting white cells and they are

the important ones to watch for when looking for neutropenia. In

the " old " days, it was standard protocol to take patients off Gleevec

if their ANC went below 1 but now many doctors aren't as conservative

and will let their patients dip a bit below the 1 but keep a really

close eye on it. How often are you getting a CBC (complete blood

test)? It should be at least once a week at this point, maybe even

twice considering your neutropenia.

Many patients get the annual flu shot every year without problems.

You just want to make sure that the shot doesn't contain a live

virus. I think only the nasal flu shot has the live virus now but

you can ask your doctor just to make sure.

Some doctors recommend wearing a mask for neutropenic patients while

others just tell their patients to stay home and avoid public

places. I like to do all my shopping first thing in the morning

which lets me avoid all the crowds. I also make it a habit to keep

my hands away from my face when I'm out in public and I wash my hands

the minute I get home from being anywhere.

Don't be shy to ask any questions or to vent your feelings. That's

what we're here for.

Take care,

Tracey

dx Jan 2002

> > >

> > > Hi folks, hoping for some insights on recent bloodwork. After

> two

> > > weeks on Gleevec with minimal side effects Beths first blood

> work

> > came

> > > back to day. I noted most of her white counts are down as

> fallows:

> > > WBC is 3.42, Neutrophils are 25.0, abs. neutrophils are 0.85

> with

> > > monocytes at 1.0. I also noted her RBC was 4.11. Would this

be

> in

> > > the realm of what we should expect in the first couple of

> weeks.

> > > Should we be expecting her counts to return to more normal

> readings

> > > after the gleevec has had more time to work. Just wondering

> > because I

> > > want to stay on top of things if she is becoming

imunosuppressed

> to

> > > the point that we need to pay more attention.

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

>

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