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> Message: 11

> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:55:47 EST

> From: nnu29@...

> Subject: Is your child in daycare?

>

> Does anyone have a child in daycare fulltime,that is

> not vaccinated?

> Sara

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In a message dated 9/4/03 7:19:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

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> A thousand 'thank yous' to whomever dropped this in my lap. I've had bits

> and pieces of this info, but never all in one spot.

>

> Barb

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <foxhillers@...>

I did and you are welcome. I also suggest you read the books, Treating

Epilepsy Naturally, Prescription for Nutritional Healing, Epilepsy: a natural

approach plus Dr. s' Epilepsy workbook.

Charlie's Mom

mjh

MJH

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In a message dated 9/4/03 7:19:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

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> From: " Barb Hunte " <gbhunte@...>

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1224

>

> What is dysbiosis. Gut or digestion issues have come up about 3 times in

> the last 2 days, so I'm ready to learn.

>

> No I have not read these books, if it's not too much trouble I'd be

> interested in the list.

>

> Thanks for your encouraging words, I guess it's all trial and error, and no

> not much fun.

>

> Barb

> Re: [ ] Digest Number 1224

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>

> > Barb

> > Is there a chance that her seizures are trigerred by gut issues --

> > allergies, food sensitivities gut dysbiosis?

> > My son is on a strict diet and takes lots of supplements and

> > pharmaceuticals, too. It is a tough thing to deal with.

> > Have you read the books I've often recommended?

> > mjh

> >

Barb

Here's some links on dybiosis.... leaky gut..... wich can be the basis for

seizures in some people. Have a good read!

http://aolsearch.aol.com/dirsearch.adp?start= &

from=channelstrip.%2Fdirsearch.adp & query=dysbiosis

MJH

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> Subject: Re: A Nutritional Approach: Controlling Seizures

>

> Can I ask, the dosages that are listed are the for children or Adults?

> if children what is the age or body weight

>

It is my understanding the the dose is the same for people over the age of

about six. My son is on a similar, but not the same, protocol that is described

in the article by Ward Dean. It has helped him a great deal.

We started slowly, with low doses, one supplement at a time many years ago.

The goal is to once again get him off the pharmaceuticals which are causing

many other serious problems..... and, have him seizure free.

Just know that there are MANY viable options and that it helps a great deal

to know what the underlying reason for the seizures are in the first place.

For instance, one woman developed seizures and was on meds for a number of

years... and not well controlled.... when she came to visit with a 12 pack of

Diet Coke. I asked her how many she drank a day and whether she ever considered

a connection between the Diet Coke with nutrasweet (aspartame) and the

beginning of her seizures.

The next time I saw her, she was off all soda pop (which all contain some

excitotoxins) all pharmaceuticals and SEIZURE FREE.

You gotta be a detective.

mjh

MJH

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Thank you, thank you, thank you. I cannot repay the starting point you have

given to me, I've been looking for it for months.

I pray you find the missing pieces for your precious son soon.

Barb

Re: A Nutritional Approach: Controlling Seizures

> >

> > Can I ask, the dosages that are listed are the for children or Adults?

> > if children what is the age or body weight

> >

>

> It is my understanding the the dose is the same for people over the age of

> about six. My son is on a similar, but not the same, protocol that is

described

> in the article by Ward Dean. It has helped him a great deal.

>

> We started slowly, with low doses, one supplement at a time many years

ago.

> The goal is to once again get him off the pharmaceuticals which are

causing

> many other serious problems..... and, have him seizure free.

>

> Just know that there are MANY viable options and that it helps a great

deal

> to know what the underlying reason for the seizures are in the first

place.

>

> For instance, one woman developed seizures and was on meds for a number of

> years... and not well controlled.... when she came to visit with a 12 pack

of

> Diet Coke. I asked her how many she drank a day and whether she ever

considered

> a connection between the Diet Coke with nutrasweet (aspartame) and the

> beginning of her seizures.

>

> The next time I saw her, she was off all soda pop (which all contain some

> excitotoxins) all pharmaceuticals and SEIZURE FREE.

>

> You gotta be a detective.

>

> mjh

>

> MJH

>

>

>

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Any Dr., CHT, Nurse, or newly trained medical professional worth their

weight in anything would know that hyperbarics shouldn't be continued after such

an incident until a PROFESSIONAL (ENT) is consulted.

Please provide more information about the Dr. / services you received. The

HBO community tries to adhere to high standards and we do not need service

providers that continue to treat bleeding ears. But in all fairness, the

situations does need review. I am eager to see how such actions were

justified.

Sincerely,

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I'm from Spokane washington and I'm looking for a good

counseler who deals with weight loss issues.

Any ideas?

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nne,

Change comes with time. I believe that a change is not only ncecessary,

but essential to meet the needs of pharmacy clients. As Rx volume increases,

over the next 5 to 10 years, pharmacists will be under even more pressure, which

may lead to even more errors. I strongly believe, as stated in my previous

post, that Technicians with a BS Degree/possibly AS Degree would have on average

a better ability to reason, question, and problem solve, than their

counter-parts without the said degrees. Theese traits are very essential to

ensure the accuracy of an order. No, I don't believe that having a BS degree

alone qualifies someone to take a pharmacy order. The individual would have to

be very familiar with Pharmacy, Names of Drugs, Dosage forms, and Dosing Ranges

(in order to question an initial order and catch a dosing error with out having

to call the provider/agent back). This is why I suggest a Technician that has

at least 5 years of experience (Full Time equivalent), so

they would have time to get sufficient exposure to the drugs. Next, I also

stated that the individual would have to pass any applicable written or

practical exams. The passing of these exams, would ensure the ability of the

Technician to receive the order. Last, I would definitely support additional

training to prepare the Technician to take on this new role. This could be a

state sponsored training or a private/local state approved training course for

taking and transmitting drug orders. After a Technician passes the course and

then passes the written & practical exams, I do feel they are very qualified to

do the job.

As far as a Technician knowing they have to confirm (echo) the order, this

would be part of the training. Another valid point: A technician would not

necessarily have to know all the dosing ranges on drugs. If their is a question

about the dose, the RPh checking the order, would need to call the provider back

to clarify the order, or the RPh could ask the newly designated Tech to call

back to clarify the order.

I don't believe that two wrongs make a right either. I do still firmly

stand for this initiative. I feel very strongly that the Technician needs to be

qualified for the position and needs all the required training and experience to

do the job.

I am in no way suggesting that Advanced Certified Pharmacy Technicians take

on the Pharmacist's roles which require professional judgement, or the final

check on the Rx, or Patient Counseling. However, Patient Education, is another

arena I see Technicians breaking into. For example, a Pharmacy Technician

today, could become a CDE (Certified Diabetes Educator). I believe that Tech's

should be able to have additional training to sub-specialize, such as

certifications in pharmacy technology, IV admixture, Contemporaneous Compounding

etc... I also believe these traning programs should be accredited as well.

Hope that helps clarify the issue some...

A.

www.PASS.com

www.PassPTCB.com

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nne Vee <mariannevu2002@...> wrote: hello, michael

and Jeanetta

I didn't know why , you are thinking that we could take Pharmacist

's job to take prescriptions call in , on the phone , from the doctor's

office.

Some secretary or clerk from doctor's office call in ,the

prescriptions for patients, didn't even know how to say the drug 's name

correctly, we don't want to be responsible for their mistake. We didn't

get pay enough to be liability even we have to pay for ourself

professional liability insurance. We are tech to assist pharmacist only,

questions and judgements are Pharmacist's job and responsibility.

we are not earning more even if we get more degree, only for

Pharmacist.

mpv cpht

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There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Forging New Opportunities for Pharmacy Technicians

From: Jeanetta Mastron

2. Re: Re: Forging New Opportunities for Pharmacy Technicians

From: Jeanetta Mastron

3. New Poll

From: " geanavalentina "

4. MD Dispensing

From: cphtgenius@...

5. New Humalog Insulin From Lilly

From: cphtgenius@...

6. Re: Forging New Opportunities for Pharmacy Technicians

From: nne Vee

7. new web-based application that eliminates “rule of six” dosing

From: cphtgenius@...

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Message: 1

Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:53:16 -0800 (PST)

From: Jeanetta Mastron

Subject: Re: Forging New Opportunities for Pharmacy Technicians

Dear nne,

Perhaps you misunderstood me or I did not explain myself well: I do not approve

of tech taking orders over the phone (live). I am not thrilled about them doing

it from a recording either, because I KNOW many RPh's get busy and lazy to

double check them as they are supposed to.

Here is a cut and past of WHAT I did say:

" I am not at this time in favor of techs taking orders over the phone, although

several states do allow this, at the pharmacists decision. I do believe that

there needs to be a 'step career' ladder, and that includes higher education

than the basic programs that follow ASHP do now. "

I hpe that clarifies my point of view. As for he will have to answer to

your post, I will not attempt to speak for him.

Thank you for your viewpoint and input,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

nne Vee wrote: hello, michael and Jeanetta

I didn't know why , you are thinking that we could take Pharmacist 's job to

take prescriptions call in , on the phone , from the doctor's office.

Some secretary or clerk from doctor's office call in ,the prescriptions for

patients, didn't even know how to say the drug 's name correctly, we don't want

to be responsible for their mistake. We didn't get pay enough to be liability

even we have to pay for ourself professional liability insurance. We are tech to

assist pharmacist only, questions and judgements are Pharmacist's job and

responsibility.

we are not earning more even if we get more degree, only for Pharmacist.

mpv cpht

Jeanetta Mastron wrote:

Dear ,

I have a LOT ot say on this issue. I left a very long detaild message on your

recorder. I ahave severalprojects in the works that are on education, of which

might overlap your direction 'somewhat'.

I personally do not believe that having a science degree makes a tech any better

at doing a pharmacists job. I do be that only ONE degree offers enought

pharmacology for this and that is the Pharm D. So I am not at this time in favor

of techs taking orders over the phone, although several states do allow this, at

the pharmacists decision. I do believe that there needs to be a 'step career'

ladder, and that includes higher education than the basic programs that follow

ASHP do now. I also believe that BEFORE we can get there we need to have a

minimum national educational standard for techs 'just' to be qualified

technicians at entry level. There must be required continued education. And I

agree with an AS or higher to move up into areas of managment or supervision or

?? I do not necessarily think that a tech should take on the jobs or tasks of a

pharmacist. There istoo much at stake and I can almost guarantee you that it

would not pay the tech well

enough for that

responsibility .

So in essence I say you have a great dream and I do not want to crush it. I

would like you to see the reality of the bigger picture: we need ALL techs to

have a standard basic education first before we can pursue other education for

higher placment. Many RPh's out there are against basic ed as it is!

I do nto know what else to say except I do wish to discuss this behind the posts

in private email/telephone in more depth.

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Pharm Tech Educator-ProgramDirector

Founder/Owner of this site

" A. " wrote: Forging New Opportunities for Pharmacy Technicians

I am in the process of forming an Association whose primary purpose is

the advancement of Pharmacy as a whole and Pharmacy Technicians

specifically. Does anyone here have any opinions on creating a new

job description (career category) of an Advanced Pharmacy Technician,

or Advanced Certified Pharmacy Technician?

With the current rapidly expanding Landscape of Pharmacy today, we

need to be proactive in addressing the needs of an aging population

and an increase in the number of prescriptions being filled each year.

I propose that a new position is created, where highly qualified

Pharmacy Technicians who possess a B.S. in Biology, Chemistry, or

BioChemistry, and have CPhT certification with 5 years experience as a

Certified Pharmacy Technician, would be able to take a practical

and/or written exam. Upon passing this exam (or exams), the CPhT,

would become an A.C.Ph.T., or C.Ph.T.A. (Advanced Certified Pharmacy

Technician). This A.C.Ph.T. would be able to take on some of the

functions that the Pharmacist currently performs. Namely, Taking new

drug orders from the doctor's office and providing and receiving

copies (transfer of Rx) from one Pharmacy to Another. This will free

up a lot of the Pharmacist's time, which can be spent or their " more

essential " roles of Patient Counseling & Performing the final check on

Prescriptions before Dispensing.

I believe that if medical secretaries are able to call in new orders

from physician offices without any experience in Pharmacy or Medicine,

then a highly qualified, highly experienced Certified Pharmacy

Technician who possesses a BS degree in the sciences (which provides a

background in understanding pharmacology and nomenclature etc..) as

described above with the correlating required experience, should be

able to, and is more than qualified to take on these new roles!

I have no problem with strict requirements, requiring a practical

exam, when the said technician applies for this new certification or

specialization and a written exam.

Liability would have to lie with the newly formed A.C.Ph.T., because

most Pharmacists would not want Technicians to take on these new roles

and be personally responsible for the Technician's actions.

This will also give many of the B.S. prepared Technicians a chance to

reduce their frustration and use some of their background in

chemistry, organic chemistry, biochemistry, biology, microbiology et.

al. to move up the career ladder and get a chance to use their brain

more along with their ability to reason and problem solve.

Now, I know that there are many Pharmacy Tech's out there who could

also perform the tasks of an A.C.Ph.T., without the BS degree, however

you select few are very rare and talented. It would be much more

difficult to get this legislation passed by your State Board of

Pharmacy if you make the requirements too loose.

I am open up to suggestions if you have any, such as requiring a

certain group of science courses, like the prerequisites for Medical

or Pharmacy School (2 semesters each of Chemistry, Organic Chemistry,

Biology & Physics) as an alternative to the BS degree, but it is

ultimately up to the state, should they approve such a measure.

The key fact is that each level of education hopes to instill a level

of competency. For example a B.S. prepared Pharmacy Technician in one

of the above majors, would definitely have exposure to and would have

to have successfully passed the above science courses in order to

graduate with the B.S. degree in their respected field.

Laws vary from state-to-state, as some states currently allow Pharmacy

Technicians to give and receive copies (transfers). Can anyone who

works in one of these states provide me with some feedback on how this

works and any liability issues that arose from this practice? Please

also mention any other laws in different states which are unique to

Pharmacy Technicians in that state. There are a lot of Laws, where

the Feds leave the decision up to the state!

Thank you for you time and input!

A. , BS, CPhT

Owner/Program Director

P.A.S.S., LLC

PassPTCB.com

571-332-0212

@...

www.PASS.com

www.PassPTCB.com

p.s. Jeanetta, please contact me when you have time, as I believe your

extensive experience and network could be very helpful in the

development of this new job-classification!

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Hi all

I am not sure but we have a free clinic in town

It is for people who do not have insurance. It is run by

a PA who is a nun. They have what the call a Drug room

in the clinic. It is a room that is stocked with drugs. No controlled drugs.

They have a computer in the room that they type labels to put on the

bottles. The room is ran by volunteers. Some are pharmacy techs and nurses

every now and then the will get some RPh to come in. The drug room is legal

by the Texas BOP. They did alot of checking with the state board before they

set

this room up. Drug companies and local pharmacies donate drugs for the

program.

It is a good thing for the people who are in need,.

Thanks

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Message: 4

Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:15:00 +0000

From: cphtgenius@...

Subject: MD Dispensing

Hi Everyone,

Does anyone recall a law or at least pharmacy " disapproval " of doctors

dispensing medication from the office? I don't mean giving out free samples. I'm

talking about actual dispensing of prescriptions from the office.

Here's what happened. Please give your opinions.

Harrah's Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City recently acquired several other

Atlantic City casinos. I think they are Caesers, Showboat and Tropicana.

Subseqently, they built a health center for their employees. Employees who

utilize the facility have lower or no-copays for office visits, tests etc. A

friend of mine works for Harrah's and went to the doctor at the health center

this week. She told me she explained to the doctor that she didn't like the

Protonix she had been taking, that she preferred the Prevacid she used to take

and he gave it to her. I assumed she meant samples. But she had made the

appointment because she was coming down with some sort of cold/infection. When I

asked what she was given for the cold she said he gave her Promethazine. And

wasn't that great because the prescriptions were free if she got them there

rather than at a retail pharmacy. I questioned her again. Are you sure he gave

you the medication and not a sample? Yes. He typed the prescription into his

computer, printed a label, poured it into another bottle and gave it to her.

She does know the difference as she was a pharmacy technician for years before

being promoted at her present job.

So the doctor makes the diagnosis, prescribes the medication and dispenses it

all at the same desk. Are we missing an important piece the checks and balances

system? Or am I reading too much into this?

--

To love what you do and feel that

it matters - how could anything

be more fun? -- Graham

.. . . for my heart rejoiced in

all my labour . . . Ecclesiastes

2:10

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Dea ,

I have to agree that this is a state to state decision. I do not know of any

Federal Pharmacy Law prohibiting this because it comes under the function of

Practicing Medicine not Pharmacy ....unfortunately.

Like you I beieve it removes the checks and balances that Pharmacy, Nursing

and Medicine have in place.

In California I have had 3 techs get jobs as an assistant to the doctor

without a pharmacist present, who dispense drugs from the doctors supply (at

his/her office) to patients. These doctors are prescribing drugs from a limited

list of drugs for pain but not controlled meds, such as: NSAIDS and adjunctive

therapy such as H2 Antagonists etc. The techs package up the quantities that the

doctor has ordered, give some information about the drugs, and dispense the

drugs without the doctor check or a RPh or a RN checking what the pt is

getting. The doctor coul dhave hired a non-pharm tech for this position as

his/her agent. But of course felt a tech would do a better job. It paid much

hire than my other techs get. It was for a worker's comp doctor's office.

I recall the days when doctor's often sent you home with a small envelope with

handwritten instructions (lable) and a prescription for the rest or other drug

to take as a follow up. To my knowledge it is samples that are no longer allowed

to be given out so freely as they once were. I think that is the where the

'newer' laws have changed. However due to liability I do think less and less

doctors dabble in dispensing due mainly insurance. You can bet with Medicare

Part D there will be even less!

Any one know the Federal ' Sample " laws?

Thanks

Jeanetta

Bernard <leslieiowan@...> wrote:

Hi all

I am not sure but we have a free clinic in town

It is for people who do not have insurance. It is run by

a PA who is a nun. They have what the call a Drug room

in the clinic. It is a room that is stocked with drugs. No controlled drugs.

They have a computer in the room that they type labels to put on the

bottles. The room is ran by volunteers. Some are pharmacy techs and nurses

every now and then the will get some RPh to come in. The drug room is legal

by the Texas BOP. They did alot of checking with the state board before they

set

this room up. Drug companies and local pharmacies donate drugs for the

program.

It is a good thing for the people who are in need,.

Thanks

wrote:

Message: 4

Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:15:00 +0000

From: cphtgenius@...

Subject: MD Dispensing

Hi Everyone,

Does anyone recall a law or at least pharmacy " disapproval " of doctors

dispensing medication from the office? I don't mean giving out free samples. I'm

talking about actual dispensing of prescriptions from the office.

Here's what happened. Please give your opinions.

Harrah's Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City recently acquired several other

Atlantic City casinos. I think they are Caesers, Showboat and Tropicana.

Subseqently, they built a health center for their employees. Employees who

utilize the facility have lower or no-copays for office visits, tests etc. A

friend of mine works for Harrah's and went to the doctor at the health center

this week. She told me she explained to the doctor that she didn't like the

Protonix she had been taking, that she preferred the Prevacid she used to take

and he gave it to her. I assumed she meant samples. But she had made the

appointment because she was coming down with some sort of cold/infection. When I

asked what she was given for the cold she said he gave her Promethazine. And

wasn't that great because the prescriptions were free if she got them there

rather than at a retail pharmacy. I questioned her again. Are you sure he gave

you the medication and not a sample? Yes. He typed the prescription into his

computer, printed a label, poured it into another bottle and gave it to her. She

does know the difference as she was a pharmacy technician for years before being

promoted at her present job.

So the doctor makes the diagnosis, prescribes the medication and dispenses it

all at the same desk. Are we missing an important piece the checks and balances

system? Or am I reading too much into this?

--

To love what you do and feel that

it matters - how could anything

be more fun? -- Graham

.. . . for my heart rejoiced in

all my labour . . . Ecclesiastes

2:10

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Daer ,

Also recall that with Phase 4 Post Marketing Trials out of the doctors offices

drugs are being dispensed from there for those reasons as well.

Jeanetta

We may not like it but it is being done. I think for the trials it is best

from the doctors offices.

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Message: 4

Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:15:00 +0000

From: cphtgenius@...

Subject: MD Dispensing

Hi Everyone,

Does anyone recall a law or at least pharmacy " disapproval " of doctors

dispensing medication from the office? I don't mean giving out free samples. I'm

talking about actual dispensing of prescriptions from the office.

Here's what happened. Please give your opinions.

Harrah's Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City recently acquired several other

Atlantic City casinos. I think they are Caesers, Showboat and Tropicana.

Subseqently, they built a health center for their employees. Employees who

utilize the facility have lower or no-copays for office visits, tests etc. A

friend of mine works for Harrah's and went to the doctor at the health center

this week. She told me she explained to the doctor that she didn't like the

Protonix she had been taking, that she preferred the Prevacid she used to take

and he gave it to her. I assumed she meant samples. But she had made the

appointment because she was coming down with some sort of cold/infection. When I

asked what she was given for the cold she said he gave her Promethazine. And

wasn't that great because the prescriptions were free if she got them there

rather than at a retail pharmacy. I questioned her again. Are you sure he gave

you the medication and not a sample? Yes. He typed the prescription into his

computer, printed a label, poured it into another bottle and gave it to her. She

does know the difference as she was a pharmacy technician for years before being

promoted at her present job.

So the doctor makes the diagnosis, prescribes the medication and dispenses it

all at the same desk. Are we missing an important piece the checks and balances

system? Or am I reading too much into this?

--

To love what you do and feel that

it matters - how could anything

be more fun? -- Graham

.. . . for my heart rejoiced in

all my labour . . . Ecclesiastes

2:10

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Jeanetta,

I don't know the Federal sample laws, BUT, I do remember my

Grandfather telling me some great stories about the 'old days'...

My Papa took a job as a salesman for Abbott after he and his brother

had opened a very successful community Pharmacy in San . They

both went to U.T. Pharm. College on the G.I. Bill after WW2.

Papa's sales territory, before he became Regional Manager vs.

District Manager for Abbott was the southern half of the state of

Texas from Austin to San to Corpus to Brownsville,

Harlingen, Del Rio, and finally back up to El Paso. That's many

thousands of square miles and many hours spent on the road waiting

to try to get in to sell Abbott products to the Doctors.

I have early memories of my Papa loading up his big red 1970's Coupe

DeVille's trunk with cartons upon cartons of samples when he would

go out to make Dr. sales calls back in the 1970's and early 1980's.

Remember everyone, this was a very different period of time than we

live in now, so don't judge my Papa for what he told me was his best

secret for getting past the Doctor's Nurse or Receptionst and into

the Doc.'s office to give him samples, literature and try to get Him

(Yes... Back then they were mostly Him's... You've come a long way,

ladies!!!) to prescribe Abbott Meds.

At this time (Before EES), the best selling meds from Abbott were:

Nembutal (Pentobarbital Capsules)

NembuDonna (30 Mg. Pentobarbital/.05 Mg. Belladonna) given T.I.D.

for nausea, motion sickness, and MORNING SICKNESS!!!!!!

Desoxyn (Methamphetamine Sulfate Tabs. and Caps.)

A 12 hour time released combination of Desoxyn and Nembutal

(Basically a 'speedball'... Since a major side effect of

amphetamines is overexcitement, restlessness, etc., Abbott decided

to go ahead and toss in a strong barbituate so you could lose weight

and not be nervious... HMMMM!!???)

Tranxene (Clorazepate Dipotassium)Which was at first not classifed

as a controlled or addictive substance by the FDA. Tranxene was

advertised as a non-addictive substitute for Valium and Librium, and

as a cure for everything from 'everyday anxiety', 'women's

difficulties', 'Barbituate, Quaalude, and alcohol cessation'...

Anyway, Tranxene's status was quickly changed when it became the

new 'mama's little helper' and I'm sure that there are some old

country Doctors here and there that aren't going to take Grandma off

of her T.I.D. 7.5 Mg. Tranxene!

The 'trick' that Papa used to get into the Doctor's office (Not

always, but later in his life he told me that he was afraid that at

times it might have done more harm than good...) was the Nurse or

Receptionist would know what each drug company sold and had samples

of. There was NO government regulation of samples back then. Quite

often, Papa could get in to see the Doc. if the Nurse got a month's

supply of Pentobarbital or Methamphetamine, Tranxene, whatever...

Of course, this was more the exception than the rule, but imagine

how many sample blister packs of Schedule 2's and other products

that are not for sale anymore because they were too dangerous these

people would get (If that is what they were into)in a month when all

the different pharmaceutical company sales reps. had 'gotten in'

to 'pitch a new med. to a Doc.'??????

My gosh, how our world has changed!!!!!!!!!!

I think it is much better now, but the one thing that I disagree

with and I am so glad that my Papa did not live long enough to

witness are the ads on both T.V. and in magazines for prescription

medicines (Heck, there is a VIAGRA NASCAR!!! RED NECK HEAVEN!!!!!)

especially the ones for Controlled Substances such as the ADD/ADHD

Meds. and this competition between Lunesta and Ambien on Television.

Lunesta and Ambien are both dangerous and habit forming if used for

long periods, but their Television ads are so deceptive. Both of

them claim to be 'Non-Narcotic', which TECHNICALLY they aren't as

they are not natural or synthetic opiods, but by saying three times

an hour that their product is non-narcotic, the average consumer

hears 'NON-ADDICTIVE!!!!!'. It's not pentobarbital or

methamphetamine, but how different is this sales tactic from what my

Papa used to do to get in to see the Doctors to sell his Meds. as

direct advertising was not legal back then????

Jeanetta, I'm going to visit my Grandmother on Sunday after that

ceremony for my Mom that I told you about this coming weekend. I

know that she kept a lot of Papa's old Abbott sales catalogs and

other Abbott stuff. I'll ask her if I can take some of these

informational things that he would give to the Doctors to sell

Abbott products, scan them, and I'll send them to you to post on the

other Group.

I hope this story makes everyone in this Group really think about

how the world works! I'm glad that I have found this place and have

a good and attentive audience to pass on my knowlege and experiences

to!

Best Wishes,

Christian B. Oliver RCPhT (TX)

> Message: 4

> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:15:00 +0000

> From: cphtgenius@...

> Subject: MD Dispensing

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> Does anyone recall a law or at least pharmacy " disapproval " of

doctors dispensing medication from the office? I don't mean giving

out free samples. I'm talking about actual dispensing of

prescriptions from the office.

>

> Here's what happened. Please give your opinions.

>

> Harrah's Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City recently acquired several

other Atlantic City casinos. I think they are Caesers, Showboat and

Tropicana. Subseqently, they built a health center for their

employees. Employees who utilize the facility have lower or no-

copays for office visits, tests etc. A friend of mine works for

Harrah's and went to the doctor at the health center this week. She

told me she explained to the doctor that she didn't like the

Protonix she had been taking, that she preferred the Prevacid she

used to take and he gave it to her. I assumed she meant samples. But

she had made the appointment because she was coming down with some

sort of cold/infection. When I asked what she was given for the cold

she said he gave her Promethazine. And wasn't that great because the

prescriptions were free if she got them there rather than at a

retail pharmacy. I questioned her again. Are you sure he gave you

the medication and not a sample? Yes. He typed the prescription into

his

> computer, printed a label, poured it into another bottle and gave

it to her. She does know the difference as she was a pharmacy

technician for years before being promoted at her present job.

>

> So the doctor makes the diagnosis, prescribes the medication and

dispenses it all at the same desk. Are we missing an important piece

the checks and balances system? Or am I reading too much into this?

>

>

>

> --

> To love what you do and feel that

> it matters - how could anything

> be more fun? -- Graham

>

> . . . for my heart rejoiced in

> all my labour . . . Ecclesiastes

> 2:10

>

>

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I loved my Cryo/Cuff...I woke up in the recovery room with it already pumping

away...I kept it on constantly for the first week...But i had terrible swelling

and once it went down I did have dark bruising and it was in random spots not

all over...GOOD LUCK with PT...it was a slow go for me... :)

>

> From: chondromalacia treatment

> Date: 2006/04/17 Mon PM 02:00:56 EDT

> chondromalacia treatment

> Subject: Digest Number 1226

>

> There are 2 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Patellar/Femular Resurfacing

> From: " knadn_eh " knadn2@...

> 2. Re: Patellar/Femular Resurfacing

> From: " Mike Bernhardt " mlbernhardt@...

>

> ________________________________________________________________________

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> Message 1

> From: " knadn_eh " knadn2@...

> Date: Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:53pm(PDT)

> Subject: Patellar/Femular Resurfacing

>

> Hey All!

>

> I had my surgery about 12 days ago. Lots of fun so far...

>

> My PT is has managed to get my range of motion to 75 deg...with lots

> of whining and crying on my part!! I got myself to 70 deg on my

> CPM...so let's pray that tomorrow's PT appt. goes better!

>

> I bought myself a Cryo/Cuff with the pump. I wasn't sure about

> spending the money - but if you are even close to being the fence

> GET ONE NOW!!! I love this thing...and I know that it has made my

> knee better faster. I don't remember who originally suggested this

> but thank you, thank you, thank you!

>

> Quick question...for anyone here who's had surgery...have you had

> worse bruising 10 days or so out from surgery...black/blue bruises?

> I wasn't sure if it was just the cold bringing out the bruise or if

> I did something dumb during PT or exercising.

>

> Hope you're all having a great evening!

>

>

> Kim

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________________________________________________

> ________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message 2

> From: " Mike Bernhardt " mlbernhardt@...

> Date: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:23pm(PDT)

> Subject: Re: Patellar/Femular Resurfacing

>

>

> Patellar/Femular Resurfacing

>

>

> > I bought myself a Cryo/Cuff with the pump. I wasn't sure about

> > spending the money - but if you are even close to being the fence

> > GET ONE NOW!!! I love this thing...and I know that it has made my

> > knee better faster. I don't remember who originally suggested this

> > but thank you, thank you, thank you!

>

> I had gotten a Cryo-Cuff after both surgerys on both knees and wore them for

> some time on both knees even after most of the stiffness was gone. They

> were even good as weight on my legs for strength while actually giving some

> support at the same time. I got a pump with the second Cryo-Cuff, but

> didn't have good luck with mine. It kept waking me up when it recharged,

> then quit working altogether, so I sent it back. I slept better after the

> surgerys than before, but woke up whenever the water turned warm. The

> doctor who did the AIRs on my knees hadn't heard of a Cryo-Cuff, but he let

> me bring them in the recovery room. I wouldn't have let him do surgery

> without them ;).

>

> >

> > Quick question...for anyone here who's had surgery...have you had

> > worse bruising 10 days or so out from surgery...black/blue bruises?

>

> A lot of times bruising will show up when swelling goes down, but you might

> ask your doctor, especially if it is starting to hurt more or is hot to the

> touch.

>

> Mike

> MT

>

>

>

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Hey Survivors. . .

I feel better knowing that my younger brother & sister survivors are

experiencing ADD. At 56, I'm in my 5th year of telling everyone its my 'duh'

GOLD Brain (hehehe).

" K "

" I AIN'T FINISHED YET " !!!

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