RE: [From OregonDCs]

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Wow ... action! what a concept!

Can you imagine what they might do when they discover the degree to which dairy proteins provoke major disease in our populace?!

corporate (inactivity) at it's best!

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: csimpson@...Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:54:29 -0700Subject:

See below…

A. Simpson, DC

Vice President, Medical Director

Complementary Healthcare Plans

6600 SW 105th Avenue, Suite 115

Beaverton, OR 97008

503-619-2041

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Cancer Panel Attacks Tobacco Industry and Government

By Judith Groch, Senior Writer, MedPage TodayReviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.August 17, 2007

MedPage Today Action Points

Explain to interested patients that this year over half a million Americans will lose their battle with cancer, and tragically, nearly two-thirds of these deaths could have been prevented through lifestyle changes, including avoiding tobacco and battling obesity with diet and exercise.

If patients ask, explain that the President's Cancer Panel laid much of the blame on tobacco companies, food and beverage industries, limited exercise opportunities, and the failure of government oversight.

ReviewWASHINGTON, Aug. 17 -- The President's Cancer Panel blasted industry policies and government inaction for failing to help the public make lifestyle changes needed to protect against cancer.

Calling the tobacco industry a "vector of disease and death," the panel's 2006-2007 report cited government failure to tax and regulate tobacco use and exposure to environmental smoke, the lack of available and affordable healthy foods, and limited physical education in school as having spawned a "culture that struggles to make healthy choices-a culture in dire need of change."

Appointed by the President, the panel members included Margaret L. Kripke, Ph.D., of M.D. Cancer Center, LaSalle D. Lefall, Jr., M.D., of University, who served as chairman, and cycling champion and cancer survivor Lance Armstrong.

The year 2007 brought the steepest decline in cancer deaths ever recorded in the U.S., the panel members reported. Yet this year alone, they said, "more than half a million Americans will lose their battle with cancer. Tragically, nearly two-thirds of these deaths could have been prevented through changes in lifestyle."

Examining primary care and individual responsibility, the panel wrote that although efforts have been made to halt alarming obesity trends, the number of organizations and institutions committed to healthy living is still too small.

Physicians and health care providers have a crucial role in helping patients understand the increased risk for many cancers related to obesity, yet their efforts have been stymied by inefficient or absent policies, the panelists said.

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The panel called for increasing disease prevention services, including providing physicians with more time to counsel patients, and ensuring that nutrition and physical activity interventions become an integral and reimbursable component of primary care.

The recommendations did not let patients off the hook, though. "Individuals -- to the best of their ability -- must assume personal responsibility for learning cancer risks associated with obesity and tobacco use in order to make healthy lifestyle choices for themselves and their families," the panel said.

The Panel's recommendations for diet and exercise were:

Structure U.S. agricultural subsidies to encourage increased production of fruits and vegetables and limit subsidies that promote production of high fructose corn syrup for use in food.

Regulate and monitor food advertising in media targeting children.

Improve access to affordable healthy foods in urban communities by implementing "fair food" policies similar to fair housing policies.

Replace unhealthy food choices in school food service facilities and vending machines.

Make nutrition information about restaurant foods readily available.

Private and public health insurance should provide coverage for nutrition counseling and fitness programs as part of all health-benefit packages.

Reinstate school physical education at meaningful levels in grades K-12.

Plan new communities that encourage physical activity and redesign existing communities by installing sidewalks, improved community centers, parks, and playgrounds.

An extended list of recommendations to reduce smoking and environmental smoke exposure included:

Authorize the FDA to regulate tobacco products and marketing and provide adequate funding to carry out this role.

Increase the federal excise tax on tobacco products.

Require all federal facilities to be smoke free. Reallocate existing NCI and CDC, and other federal resources to better mirror the tobacco-related disease burden.

Reduce the influence of the tobacco industry: Candidates for office should refuse campaign contributions from the industry, and recipients of NCI grants and contracts should not accept money from tobacco companies.

Strengthen anti-tobacco efforts at the state and local levels including smoking bans, particularly in public facilities, and increased taxes.

Cease including images of smoking in movies, TV, music videos, and games children, adolescents, and young adults.

Prohibit smoking in and around the workplace, and support worker efforts to quit.

"Individuals can only adopt healthy lifestyles if they have the resources and opportunities to do so," the panel wrote in a letter to the President. "We can and must empower individuals to make healthy choices through appropriate policy and legislation, and the Panel urges you to use the power of your office toward this life-saving goal."

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The plan is still not sufficient to get my vote. HMO's will benefit.

I just don't feel this is a good law.

Annette

On Friday, October 26, 2007, at 09:26 AM, adesiena@... wrote:

>

>

> For all of you who are interested to changing Oregon's constitution,

> in todays the Register Guard, Eugene's largest newspaper, there is a

> front page article on Oregon constitutional changes.  You will be

> amazed at some of the 204 changes to our constitution.

>

> DeSiena

>

>

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I also vote no.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Fri 23/05/08 4:00 PM , MekaAbou@... sent:

I vote NO. Don White, RN, DC

In a message dated 5/23/2008 11:37:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, vsaboecomcast (DOT) net writes:

Dear list-serve monitor,

Attorney Bowen would like to join the Oregon list serve and I am recommending to you dear colleagues that he be accepted. Jim is an expert relative to tax strategy, HIPAA, asset protection, sole prop vs S-corp vs LLC etc., etc.

Thanks for your consideration,

Vern Saboe

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I would stay strictly with those doctors

who are trained and boarded in Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery :

Dr. Stiles Jewett 503-646-0101

Dr. Clifford Canepa 503-0292-9737

Dr. Kathleen Waldorf 503-646-0101

Dr. Zegzula 503-288-9646

Dr. Bruce Webber 503-292-9737

Dr.

Stone 503-234-9287

Have the patient ask about the doctor’s

experience with breast reconstruction after mastectomy and this will help guide

them. Dr. Jewett has a lot of experience. A lot of doctors have some

training in ‘plastics’ but still are not trained or boarded in

Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery. These are the real experts.

s. fuchs dc

From:

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Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:57

AM

Subject:

I have a

patient requesting a breast reduction. Can I please have name of a

quality doc in the Portland

area that does reductions.

Kehr

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Louis McCraw, M.D.

Wk: (503) 231-1236

He’s great!

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: Kehr <jkehr@...>

Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:57:10 -0700

< >

Subject:

I have a patient requesting a breast reduction. Can I please have name of a quality doc in the Portland area that does reductions.

Kehr

[Guest guest]

I'm glad you brought the question up .... Dr. Croft was promoting it as the DeShaw/Croft seminar as a great tool to manage 'evidence' ... meaning all those %$#^# articels we need to validate anything and everything. Writing a book has me inundated with evidence and this sounded like an avenue to log it in and begin to categorize it for referencing.

Anybody using it? Reports?

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: dro@...Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:26:56 -0700Subject:

Anybody have experience with EHR program called EZNote?

Larry L. Oliver, DC

408 NW 7th

Corvallis, OR 97330

droheresco

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Ann,

I really like Jerry Nye, MD at 2222 NW Lovejoy Suite 401, Portland, OR 97210

503-274-4865

He is a hand and upper extremity surgeon, does a great job with micro-surgeries.  His office also does urgent emergencies.Shane E. Espinoza, D.C., C.C.S.P.®, CKTPCertified Chiropractic Sports Physician®

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Ann,

I really like Jerry Nye, MD at 2222 NW Lovejoy Suite 401, Portland, OR 97210

503-274-4865

He is a hand and upper extremity surgeon, does a great job with micro-surgeries.  His office also does urgent emergencies.Shane E. Espinoza, D.C., C.C.S.P.®, CKTPCertified Chiropractic Sports Physician®

ACA Sports Council, SecretaryCertified Fenzian Sport PractitionerCertified Graston Technique ProviderCertified Kinesio Taping PractitionerYo hablo españolNorth Plains Chiropractic Clinic, P.C.

10395 NW Glencoe Road, Suite 500North Plains, OR 97133Clinic # 503-647-9944Fax # 503-647-0511www.northplainschiropractic.comCONFIDENTIAL NOTICE

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Hi Ann,

Don't have a referral for you for the arm concern but with the hematoma....you/she will get better results from Frequency Specific Microcurrent and/or enzymes than f rom any pharmaceutical product. there is a specific frequency for hemolysis that is HIGHLY effective....we watched it take a shin hematoma from 4"x2+" to quarter size in 25 minutes! Amazing tow atch.

Enzymes wise: I get my acute MVAs on Bromelain: 500 mg caps, starting with 4 and using 2/hour giving my patients the analogy that they 'act like little pac-men, getting in there and chewing up that cellular inflammatory debris ... makes their stool soft but manages the hematoma faster than just letting it lie and allowing nature to wend its way around it.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: bluepearl2001@...Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:25:02 -0400Subject:

Can any of you recommend:1) The best wrist/hand orthopedist? I have a new PI patient with a triquetrium fracture. Need to get her into an ortho asap.2) A breast specialist. Pt with massive breast hematoma, but also considerable pain. Seat belt injury. Thank you for your help.A , DC

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Hi Ann,

Don't have a referral for you for the arm concern but with the hematoma....you/she will get better results from Frequency Specific Microcurrent and/or enzymes than f rom any pharmaceutical product. there is a specific frequency for hemolysis that is HIGHLY effective....we watched it take a shin hematoma from 4"x2+" to quarter size in 25 minutes! Amazing tow atch.

Enzymes wise: I get my acute MVAs on Bromelain: 500 mg caps, starting with 4 and using 2/hour giving my patients the analogy that they 'act like little pac-men, getting in there and chewing up that cellular inflammatory debris ... makes their stool soft but manages the hematoma faster than just letting it lie and allowing nature to wend its way around it.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: bluepearl2001@...Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:25:02 -0400Subject:

Can any of you recommend:1) The best wrist/hand orthopedist? I have a new PI patient with a triquetrium fracture. Need to get her into an ortho asap.2) A breast specialist. Pt with massive breast hematoma, but also considerable pain. Seat belt injury. Thank you for your help.A , DC

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Larry,

If you ever need to find a craniosacral practitioner anywhere, go to www.iahp.com, click the link to find a practitioner and type in city and state. There I found these listings:

Lawrence D.C., N.D. Corvallis, Oregon 97333 USA Tel: 541 752-9918

and

Piper LMT, LLCC Corvallis, Oregon 97330 USA Tel: 541 740-3698

Hope that helps.

Christian Mathisen, DC

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

Does anyone in the Corvallis Albany area do craniosacral work?

Larry L. Oliver, DC

408 NW 7th

Corvallis, OR 97330

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And so, if I have my facts straight, our government will subsidize United Healthcare so that it can offer Medicare services that the government can offer for much less money in a not-for-profit program. Sound like a great idea....for United Healthcare.

Oh, and I'm loving that Seniors who sign up with United Healthcare--many of whom struggle with declining cognitive capacity--will get to call the same folks I get to talk to in India or wherever United Healthcare has outsourced their 'call center". You know, the gal named '' or the fellow named '' who have no grasp of the nuances of the English language...

I'm waiting for a program for Chiropractors in which we are subsidized by the government to provide care that United Healthcare and other "heathcare" insurance companies don't/won't pay for. That will be THE day.

Might as well wait for Godot...

Ann , DC

http://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/newsroom/Print.aspx?id=5158b52a-495b-40dc-aefc-6817417474dd

interesting 'new' info re United Health Care's arrogance ....

Sk

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC

Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon

2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834

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Ha…that was great Ann! I will

be in Sunriver in a couple of weeks for the “Oregon Summit” which

is the big Democratic held ever other year. All of our Congressmen and

two US Senators will be there and as I did in Washington DC during the ACA

House of Delegates meeting and the National Chiropractic Legislative Conference

I will speak to them about equality or a level playing field across the board

for all health care provider types (our non-MD coalition on the Federal level)

and by so doing provider higher quality care at a substantially reduced cost to

the federal government. With that said the ACA leadership is working

behind the scenes to ensure we have a “back door” clause or the

ability to opt out of any federal system if it becomes onerous for our

profession….

Cheers,

Vern Saboe

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of bluepearl2001@...

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009

5:29 PM

skrndc1@...;

Subject: Re:

And so, if I have my facts straight, our government will subsidize

United Healthcare so that it can offer Medicare services that the government

can offer for much less money in a not-for-profit program. Sound like a

great idea....for United Healthcare.

Oh, and I'm loving that Seniors who sign up with United Healthcare--many

of whom struggle with declining cognitive capacity--will get to call the same

folks I get to talk to in India or wherever United Healthcare has outsourced

their 'call center " . You know, the gal named '' or the fellow

named '' who have no grasp of the nuances of the English language...

I'm waiting for a program for Chiropractors in which we are subsidized

by the government to provide care that United Healthcare and other

" heathcare " insurance companies don't/won't pay for. That will

be THE day.

Might as well wait for Godot...

Ann , DC

http://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/newsroom/Print.aspx?id=5158b52a-495b-40dc-aefc-6817417474dd

interesting 'new' info re United Health Care's arrogance ....

Sk

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC

Fibromyalgia Care

Center of Oregon

2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon,

97401

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Ha…that was great Ann! I will

be in Sunriver in a couple of weeks for the “Oregon Summit” which

is the big Democratic held ever other year. All of our Congressmen and

two US Senators will be there and as I did in Washington DC during the ACA

House of Delegates meeting and the National Chiropractic Legislative Conference

I will speak to them about equality or a level playing field across the board

for all health care provider types (our non-MD coalition on the Federal level)

and by so doing provider higher quality care at a substantially reduced cost to

the federal government. With that said the ACA leadership is working

behind the scenes to ensure we have a “back door” clause or the

ability to opt out of any federal system if it becomes onerous for our

profession….

Cheers,

Vern Saboe

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of bluepearl2001@...

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009

5:29 PM

skrndc1@...;

Subject: Re:

And so, if I have my facts straight, our government will subsidize

United Healthcare so that it can offer Medicare services that the government

can offer for much less money in a not-for-profit program. Sound like a

great idea....for United Healthcare.

Oh, and I'm loving that Seniors who sign up with United Healthcare--many

of whom struggle with declining cognitive capacity--will get to call the same

folks I get to talk to in India or wherever United Healthcare has outsourced

their 'call center " . You know, the gal named '' or the fellow

named '' who have no grasp of the nuances of the English language...

I'm waiting for a program for Chiropractors in which we are subsidized

by the government to provide care that United Healthcare and other

" heathcare " insurance companies don't/won't pay for. That will

be THE day.

Might as well wait for Godot...

Ann , DC

http://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/newsroom/Print.aspx?id=5158b52a-495b-40dc-aefc-6817417474dd

interesting 'new' info re United Health Care's arrogance ....

Sk

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC

Fibromyalgia Care

Center of Oregon

2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon,

97401

541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834

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Arthur DMD  NE Halsey PDXOn Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:01 PM, BRIAN SEITZ <dcdocbrian@...> wrote:

 

Could someone please post the name of the clinic in Portland that is Dental/DC TMJ focusedThanks! Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724

-- Schneider DC PDX

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Yep...OR health plan does not reimburse for chiro

J. Holzapfel, DCAlbany, Oregon541-928-4060

----- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:56:14 -0700

Anyone know what's going on with the funds allocated for kids health in Oregon to augment Or Health plan?A friend wants me to list in a brochure targeted to a Birth to Three parents' group, but I'm not sure if it's worth the time.We still don't get paid by Or Health plan, right?Annette

[Guest guest]

Yep...OR health plan does not reimburse for chiro

J. Holzapfel, DCAlbany, Oregon541-928-4060

----- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:56:14 -0700

Anyone know what's going on with the funds allocated for kids health in Oregon to augment Or Health plan?A friend wants me to list in a brochure targeted to a Birth to Three parents' group, but I'm not sure if it's worth the time.We still don't get paid by Or Health plan, right?Annette

[Guest guest]

Yep...OR health plan does not reimburse for chiro

J. Holzapfel, DCAlbany, Oregon541-928-4060

----- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:56:14 -0700

Anyone know what's going on with the funds allocated for kids health in Oregon to augment Or Health plan?A friend wants me to list in a brochure targeted to a Birth to Three parents' group, but I'm not sure if it's worth the time.We still don't get paid by Or Health plan, right?Annette

[Guest guest]

Hi Larry

In Salem Dr.Hal Boyd, in Silverton Dr. Thorsett.

Herb

Docs,

I need an orthopedist who does well with knees in the Salem area.

Thanks.

Larry L. Oliver, DC

408 NW 7th

Corvallis, OR

541-757-9933

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Hi Larry

In Salem Dr.Hal Boyd, in Silverton Dr. Thorsett.

Herb

Docs,

I need an orthopedist who does well with knees in the Salem area.

Thanks.

Larry L. Oliver, DC

408 NW 7th

Corvallis, OR

541-757-9933

fax 541-757-7713

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Send your patient to Siegfried, DC in Portland. He studied with Dr. Stober.

Rodney G. , DCTillamook Natural Health Center309 Laurel Ave.Tillamook, OR 97141503-842-6532

Had a request here in Bend for a Doc doing Nasal Specific...(the balloon one). Anyone doing it here? If not, who of you in the Valley are doing it?

Thanks,

Dr. BourqueBend Whole Health Family Chiropractic2207 NW Awbrey Rd.Bend, OR 97701(541)389-1191

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Very well said.

I was going to mention Slosberg who teaches a class entitled "Validating Chiropractic".

Despite one's area of focus in practice, it is undeniable that a subluxation exists.

Playing Devil's advocate on one point though Dan, I'd venture to say that in regards to athletes, it is the better performing athletes that usually access chiropractic care in the first place.

I've personally never had a person's allergies clear up though.

ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800

HI all

I find it fascinating that people who profess to be chiropractors deem the subluxation as some etheral concept or worse a dogmatic religous fervor, yet denounce the very underlying concepts of what chiropractic is. How freakin congruent is that ?

There is more than ample information concerning what chiropractic subluxations do and how the body has global physiological effect/affects secondary to an adjustment. Our own homegrown A. E. Homewood wrote a book called " The neurodynamics of the Vertebral subluxation" the depth of which is quite revealing. Many others such as Slosberg, Chestnut and ( to name a few) are currently continuing to add to our current knowledge concerning the subluxation.

Did you all forget the post Dr. Pedersen made some time ago regarding the Danish(?) scientist's that disproved the current theory of nerve transmission ( electrical) as being secondary to tone? ( Nerves run on sound) This is EXACTLY what DD indicated a subluxation interfered with !!!! And HE figured it out without the fancy smancy electronic gizmo's.

To have the arrogance of belittling these doctors who have contributed so vastly to the good of mankind because there is not linear PROOF that a subluxation exists is absolutely mind boggling.

Answer this

Why do athelete's who have chiropractic care fare better in measurements of objective findings like standing long jump, return to resting heart rate, capillary nail bed counts, etc have an almost 11% advantage over the athlete that doesn't after only a few measely wekks of care? Must be placebo right?

How about the reduction by 100's of thousands of CD4 rates in HIV infected individuals through manip in a few months of adjusting.

Why do allergies in patient's clear up when recieving care?

Bah, blah blah.

Really?

Danno

[Guest guest]

How about lowering BLOOD PRESSURE on average of 17 points with adjustments of the upper cervical spine..? Medical study proved it.

So, once you have a "scientific study" like this, you have to ask, "So...what happened?" "What did they do?" And, ya know what??? THEY DON'T KNOW! So, even though they lowered blood pressure by adjusting the neck...they still don't understand the MECHANISM of how that happened...(probably because they didn't study the subluxation complex!!).

If this study didn't affect/reduce "subluxations" then what did it affect? (what name do we give the "lesion" they affected?). Joint restriction? (already covered under def of VSC). Nerve irritation? (already covered under def of VSC). Are they reducing tight muscles (covered), increasing blood supply, nerve impulses, TONE, endorphins, enkephalins, serotonin...? All covered under def of VSC.

The "science" of subluxation is coming...(we're the "LAST FRONTIER" folks), but like most science, it'll only confirm or give an explanation for what we already knew...empirically.

What's appalling to me is that we live in the time of the space shuttle and wireless EVERYTHING...and yet 99.9% of the new patients I see still don't even know why their joints "POP!" We are amazingly CLUELESS about our bodies and health...(and, by "we" I mean all of us collectively). And, I believe this to be the fault of science!! (or at least what special interests "determine" to be science). (:-)

M. s, D.C.

HI all

I find it fascinating that people who profess to be chiropractors deem the subluxation as some etheral concept or worse a dogmatic religous fervor, yet denounce the very underlying concepts of what chiropractic is. How freakin congruent is that ?

There is more than ample information concerning what chiropractic subluxations do and how the body has global physiological effect/affects secondary to an adjustment. Our own homegrown A. E. Homewood wrote a book called " The neurodynamics of the Vertebral subluxation" the depth of which is quite revealing. Many others such as Slosberg, Chestnut and ( to name a few) are currently continuing to add to our current knowledge concerning the subluxation.

Did you all forget the post Dr. Pedersen made some time ago regarding the Danish(?) scientist's that disproved the current theory of nerve transmission ( electrical) as being secondary to tone? ( Nerves run on sound) This is EXACTLY what DD indicated a subluxation interfered with !!!! And HE figured it out without the fancy smancy electronic gizmo's.

To have the arrogance of belittling these doctors who have contributed so vastly to the good of mankind because there is not linear PROOF that a subluxation exists is absolutely mind boggling.

Answer this

Why do athelete's who have chiropractic care fare better in measurements of objective findings like standing long jump, return to resting heart rate, capillary nail bed counts, etc have an almost 11% advantage over the athlete that doesn't after only a few measely wekks of care? Must be placebo right?

How about the reduction by 100's of thousands of CD4 rates in HIV infected individuals through manip in a few months of adjusting.

Why do allergies in patient's clear up when recieving care?

Bah, blah blah.

Really?

Danno

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Every chiropractor who has patients with Keizer should print this article and give it to everyone of these patients and encourage them to DROP Keizer... (:-)

RR.

For those of you who continue to do business with Kaiser ... you may want to rethink the fact that they are a viable company to do business with.

Danno

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=6681

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This was difficult to read, as it is slanted propaganda. I love how they say: "Chiropractors aren't doing well" and go on to list our average incomes and the number of folks who drop out of the profession after 10 years.

It's intentions are pretty obvious.

ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800

For those of you who continue to do business with Kaiser ... you may want to rethink the fact that they are a viable company to do business with.

Danno

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=6681