Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Suzi, Thanks for the explanation. It is my understanding that prior to the early 1900s people died more from infections and accidents than from disease. The big disease epidemics did not hit until after hydrogenated vegetable oils, white flour and all manner of phony phood hit the market. Judith Alta and Oski Suzanne wrote: Don who is very knowledgeable and on a different path now....toward perfect health. had this to say about diseases. I'll start here and post more later.. Suzi Bacteria, fungi and viruses do not cause dis-ease. They are the clean up crew that comes in to help handle the damage control from our foolish actions and choices. They are actually quite beneficial in the grand scheme of life but they can and do contribute to morbidity with their own wastes. If we were all to follow the laws of nature to a "T" then none of us would ever have any problems where bacteria, fungi and viruses would be involved. There is huge amounts of money to be made off of the fear of germs. It is a multi-billion dollar (if not trillion dollar) industry world wide and is continually propagated by the pharmaceutical corporations, chemical corporations, medical establishment, etc. As long as people choose not to be totally responsible for their own health these corporations and establishments will continue to exist and continue in their less then pro-survival actions and endeavors. All dis-eases are nothing more than a less than pro-survival choice or not following the laws of nature, thus leading one to compromise their physical, emotional, mental and spiritual well-being Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. _______ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 We were having a discussion over the weekend.. DH, son and DIL... regarding the lead in the toys recall.. And DH said when we were little we had lead toys etc and we are ok... and before I could open my mouth, my DIL said and back then you didn't have all the chemicals in food that you do now. Water was safer, foods were safer and you all didn't eat fast food and processed food.... I GOT A GREAT DIL..... She is right .... food was much healthier back then... and we did not have the illnesses we have today. The food we eat today is poisoning us. SuziJudith Alta <list@...> wrote: Suzi,Thanks for the explanation.It is my understanding that prior to the early 1900s people died more from infections and accidents than from disease.The big disease epidemics did not hit until after hydrogenated vegetable oils, white flour and all manner of phony phood hit the market.Judith Alta and OskiSuzanne wrote: Don who is very knowledgeable and on a different path now....toward perfect health. had this to say about diseases. I'll start here and post more later.. Suzi Bacteria, fungi and viruses do not cause dis-ease. They are the clean up crew that comes in to help handle the damage control from our foolish actions and choices. They are actually quite beneficial in the grand scheme of life but they can and do contribute to morbidity with their own wastes. If we were all to followthe laws of nature to a "T" then none of us would ever have any problemswhere bacteria, fungi and viruses would be involved. There is hugeamounts of money to be made off of the fear of germs. It is amulti-billion dollar (if not trillion dollar) industry world wide and iscontinually propagated by the pharmaceutical corporations, chemicalcorporations, medical establishment, etc. As long as people choose notto be totally responsible for their own health these corporations andestablishments will continue to exist and continue in their less thenpro-survival actions and endeavors.All dis-eases are nothing more than a less than pro-survival choice ornot following the laws of nature, thus leading one to compromise theirphysical, emotional, mental and spiritual well-being Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. _______ Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 I never bought into the "cholesterol as a disease" scam because I have always believed that no human can create a phony phood that is as healthy for us as Mother Nature provides. I just wish we could afford to eat 100% organic, as the commercial food is so devoid of nutrients as to be nearly worthless. Judith Alta and Oski Suzanne wrote: We were having a discussion over the weekend.. DH, son and DIL... regarding the lead in the toys recall.. And DH said when we were little we had lead toys etc and we are ok... and before I could open my mouth, my DIL said and back then you didn't have all the chemicals in food that you do now. Water was safer, foods were safer and you all didn't eat fast food and processed food.... I GOT A GREAT DIL..... She is right .... food was much healthier back then... and we did not have the illnesses we have today. The food we eat today is poisoning us. Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Some areas aren't as blessed with alot of organics... like me... I live outside St. Louis in Southern Illinois.. there isn't much and what is is outrageous in price.. SuziJudith Alta <list@...> wrote: I never bought into the "cholesterol as a disease" scam because I have always believed that no human can create a phony phood that is as healthy for us as Mother Nature provides.I just wish we could afford to eat 100% organic, as the commercial food is so devoid of nutrients as to be nearly worthless. Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Suzi, You - and your DIL - are so right!! Why doesn't the government want to protect us from all the toxic chemicals that are in our food, and all the dangerous toxic drugs they're pushing on us? Of course everything they're saying about the dangerous products from China is probably true, but what about the dangerous products that are produced right here? They're distracting us so we look only at China as the culprit, when what is killing us is right here on our own soil. It's not always somebody else's fault. Nitrites, MSG, floride, aspertame, mercury, high fructose corn syrup, drugging schoolchildren, toxic chemicals in skin care products, antibacterial soap, etc. etc. -- all of this junk is being allowed in our country, and it's all killing us. Carol http://www.bluegreensolutions.com > > We were having a discussion over the weekend.. DH, son and DIL... regarding the lead in the toys recall.. And DH said when we were little we had lead toys etc and we are ok... and before I could open my mouth, my DIL said and back then you didn't have all the chemicals in food that you do now. Water was safer, foods were safer and you all didn't eat fast food and processed food.... I GOT A GREAT DIL..... She is right .... food was much healthier back then... and we did not have the illnesses we have today. The food we eat today is poisoning us. > Suzi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Judith you don't have room for a garden? Even a small garden can provide you with a lot of food. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlaeranch@... Re: Dis-ease I just wish we could afford to eat 100% organic, as the commercial food is so devoid of nutrients as to be nearly worthless.Judith Alta and Oski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 I know, and with 4.5 acres I could grow much more than a small garden. Just chalk it up to laziness, I guess. Maybe belonging to this list will help me get off my schtick and do something in the spring. I've thought of growing animals, cow or goat for milk, but the thought of pulling tits twice a day does not thrill me. I did that growing up as a child and really, at 67 don't want to go back to all that work. Judith Alta and Oski Gayla wrote: Judith you don't have room for a garden? Even a small garden can provide you with a lot of food. Gayla Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html aeranch@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Alta To: health Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Dis-ease I just wish we could afford to eat 100% organic, as the commercial food is so devoid of nutrients as to be nearly worthless. Judith Alta and Oski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Judith there are many ways to garden without pain. If you want ideas, just ask. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlaeranch@... Re: Dis-ease I know, and with 4.5 acres I could grow much more than a small garden. Just chalk it up to laziness, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Thanks, Gayla. It's not a matter of pain. Fortunately I don't suffer like many my age do. It's just procrastination, laziness, inertia, etc. ;-| I know, I have no excuse. Keep nagging me and maybe I'll be able to brag about my garden, whatever the size, in the spring. Judith Alta and Oski Gayla wrote: Judith there are many ways to garden without pain. If you want ideas, just ask. Gayla Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html aeranch@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Alta To: health Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Dis-ease I know, and with 4.5 acres I could grow much more than a small garden. Just chalk it up to laziness, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Judith I didn't mean it literally, more like PITA kind of pain. Some folks garden, some don't. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlaeranch@... Re: Dis-ease I know, and with 4.5 acres I could grow much more than a small garden. Just chalk it up to laziness, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 How about sq foot gardening? I think that will work for me here in TX next. Anne Re: Dis-ease LOLOkay. I love flowers in the yard but just can't get interested in pulling weeds. Same as with gardening.I'd be glad of any suggestions you have to make it easier.Enjoy!Judith Alta and OskiGayla wrote: Judith I didn't mean it literally, more like PITA kind of pain. Some folks garden, some don't. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoof s.com/alwaysenou gh.htmlaeranchgmail (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Mulching will keep many weeds from sprouting. There is a technique called lasagna gardening that works for many. Basically you put down a layer of wet newspaper or cardboard, put mulch on top and cut a hole for the plant. It retains moisture and prevents weeds. The paper material breaks down eventually and nourishes the earth. Those who use it consider it win-win. I don't do this, but I do use drip irrigation. In California, we have no rain between April and November, so there is no rainfall to feed the weeds. With drip system, I water the plants, not the weeds. It helps a whole lot. Any kind of mulch will keep weeds from sprouting - leaves, rotten hay, etc. Make sure it is at least 4 inches thick to keep light from penetrating. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlaeranch@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 We've used newspapers in the past. They are great! The weeds just die under the weight of public opinion. And we have lots of mulch. Nice rotten hay bales. Thank you! This should work for the flowers, too. Here in Michigan it seems as if we get way to much or way too little rain. Thank you! Judith Alta and Oski Gayla wrote: Mulching will keep many weeds from sprouting. There is a technique called lasagna gardening that works for many. Basically you put down a layer of wet newspaper or cardboard, put mulch on top and cut a hole for the plant. It retains moisture and prevents weeds. The paper material breaks down eventually and nourishes the earth. Those who use it consider it win-win. I don't do this, but I do use drip irrigation. In California, we have no rain between April and November, so there is no rainfall to feed the weeds. With drip system, I water the plants, not the weeds. It helps a whole lot. Any kind of mulch will keep weeds from sprouting - leaves, rotten hay, etc. Make sure it is at least 4 inches thick to keep light from penetrating. Gayla Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html aeranch@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 "We've used newspapers in the past. They are great! The weeds just die under the weight of public opinion." Funny!!! Judith go to the library and see if they have Ruth Stout's books on gardening. She used rotten hay exclusively. she had an absolutely fantastic garden! Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlaeranch@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I've read some of her books. But it's been so long ago I had forgotten. I'll have to dig them out. Enjoy! Judith Alta and Oski Gayla wrote: "We've used newspapers in the past. They are great! The weeds just die under the weight of public opinion." Funny!!! Judith go to the library and see if they have Ruth Stout's books on gardening. She used rotten hay exclusively. she had an absolutely fantastic garden! Gayla Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html aeranch@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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