germ theory

[Guest guest]

Perfect......couldn't agree more. If suddenly it was accepted that thimerosal

injured all these kids the pharm cows would be trippin. thank you for sharing

the truth Jen

Mr Wonderful <rick_tallman1@...> wrote:

This response was on my restraint list. I just had to reply to it. The

originator's name has been removed. The same reply could apply to those who try

to discredit the thimerosal/MMR theories.

Regarding the below infomercial from Great Plains Labs,

I would recommend what science has to say about this:

" Separating Fact from Fiction in the Etiology and Treatment of Autism:

A Scientific Review of the Evidence "

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/autism.html

-- MY REPLY.

Sometimes, actually most times, " science " has some very negative things to

say about anything that involves change. As little as 150 years ago many people

died in hospitals because there was no knowledge of the " germ theory of

disease " . Doctors who proposed such a thing were labeled " quacks " by their

contemporaries.

See what " science " had to say about

ph Lister- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ph_Lister - English surgeon

who promoted the idea of sterile surgery while working at the Glasgow Royal

Infirmary. He successfully introduced carbolic acid to sterilise surgical

instruments and to clean wounds.

Louis Pastuer -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pasteur - French

microbiologist and chemist. He is best known for demonstrating how to prevent

milk and wine from going sour, which came to be called pasteurization. His

experiments confirmed the germ theory of disease, and he created the first

vaccine for rabies. He became one of the founders of bacteriology, the other

major figure being Koch. He also made many discoveries in the field of

chemistry, most notably the asymmetry of crystals.

Ignaz Semmelweis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis -

Hungarian-Austrian physician who demonstrated that puerperal fever (also known

as " childbed fever " ) was contagious and that its incidence could be drastically

reduced by enforcing appropriate hand washing behavior by medical care-givers.

He made this discovery in 1847 while head of the Maternity Department of the

Vienna Lying-in Hospital.

Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. (The Doctor, not the Supereme Court Justice ) -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Wendell_Holmes%2C_Sr. -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerperal_fever

In 1843, Oliver Wendell Holmes claimed puerperal fever was contagious,

suggesting that hand-washing and clean clothing would prevent its spread. These

conclusions were again merely ridiculed by the scientific consensus.

[Guest guest]

Did you go read the article I posted earlier? www.rawschool.com You can read what Natural Hygeine has to say.

Shari

[Guest guest]

>

> I do not understand the debunking of the germ theory of disease. I

read here that one doesn't get lyme disease from ticks because " not

everyone who gets bit by a tick gets lyme disease. " Now that is

certainly true. But has anyone ever contracted lyme disease WITHOUT

> being bitten by a tick? Not everybody who gets bitten by a tick gets

lyme, but everyone with lyme was bitten by a tick.

>

> Can someone enlighten me?

>

> Thanks! Brecht

==>Oh, maybe they blamed it on a tick, like so many other diseases that

are blamed on mosquitos, the teste fly, bed bugs, rats, etc. but that's

like blaming the manure pile on the fly. People who have healthy

immune systems do not get sick. If the germ theory were true, every

single person who gets bit by a tick should get sick, otherwise the

theory is false.

And the human race would have been wiped out eons ago, because germs,

bacteria, viruses are everywhere. If we " catch " them we'd all be sick

all of the time with everything that's out there, and at the same

time. In fact if it were true every single animal on Earth would have

all of these diseases too. See how that doesn't make sense.

The medicos have also been manipulating names of diseases and their

symptoms for ages. Symptoms are simply " signs " that the body is out of

order. They also make us believe their lies that vaccines work when

they change the name of something like polio to 5 different names.

Their antibody theory is totally untrue too.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bee!

But then, what DOES cause the disease we call " lyme's disease " ?

I wouldn't call the germ theory untrue just because not everyone bitten

by a tick develops lyme. I would say the state of your immune system,

which can actually change quite drastically and rapidly depending on

psychological factors, is very important. The difference in immune

systems state is what might cause one person to be overwhelmed by the

lyme, meaning it can cling on, while another person may rapidly conquer

it before it can do anything. You never get sick, so you never even

know you were bitten. Perhaps one is more immune to it while taking in

the pathogen consciously in a relaxed state, while being outdoors and

tired might suppress your immune system enough so that you can get

infected?

Wouldn't I get in a lot of trouble going to Africa without some form of

protection? Somehow Africans who've lived there since the dawn of time

can handle certain things that will make me very sick. Surely the

conclusion cannot be that my immune system simply works less good?

Thanks!

Brecht

> ==>Oh, maybe they blamed it on a tick, like so many other diseases

that

> are blamed on mosquitos, the teste fly, bed bugs, rats, etc. but

that's

> like blaming the manure pile on the fly. People who have healthy

> immune systems do not get sick. If the germ theory were true, every

> single person who gets bit by a tick should get sick, otherwise the

> theory is false.

>

> And the human race would have been wiped out eons ago, because germs,

> bacteria, viruses are everywhere. If we " catch " them we'd all be sick

> all of the time with everything that's out there, and at the same

> time. In fact if it were true every single animal on Earth would have

> all of these diseases too. See how that doesn't make sense.

>

> The medicos have also been manipulating names of diseases and their

> symptoms for ages. Symptoms are simply " signs " that the body is out

of

> order. They also make us believe their lies that vaccines work when

> they change the name of something like polio to 5 different names.

>

> Their antibody theory is totally untrue too.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you Bee!

>

> But then, what DOES cause the disease we call " lyme's disease " ?

==>There is a certain kind of bacteria that is called lyme's disease;

however the body itself creates viruses, bacteria, etc. from tiny

microbes found in every body on Earth and on every rock, plant, and

surface! These microbes are ready to change when they are needed in

order to clean up! It is called " pleomorphism " .

>

> I wouldn't call the germ theory untrue just because not everyone

bitten by a tick develops lyme.

" Another problem with the Germ Theory of medicine is discovered when

we look at Koch's Postulates:

· The germ which causes a disease must be found in every case of the

disease under the conditions which could explain the disease.

· The germ must not be found in other diseases or healthy people.

· The germ could be isolated and used to induce an experimental

disease in animals which resembles the original disease in humans. "

> I would say the state of your immune system, which can actually

change quite drastically and rapidly depending on psychological

factors, is very important. The difference in immune systems state

is what might cause one person to be overwhelmed by the lyme,

meaning it can cling on, while another person may rapidly conquer

it before it can do anything. You never get sick, so you never even

know you were bitten. Perhaps one is more immune to it while taking

in the pathogen consciously in a relaxed state, while being outdoors

and tired might suppress your immune system enough so that you can get

> infected?

==>I'm will not argue with you. You can read a lot about this on the

internet by searching " pleomorphism " . It serves no one a useful

purpose. The point is, people who are trully healthy (stress and

their nutritional status upon conception aside of course) do not get

sick. This program builds up the immune system by giving the body

what it needs to do its job, according to Nature's Laws.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Thanks.

I did some research on pleomorphism before. However I was quite disappointed

seeing the

same things said again and again in almost the exact same wordings. I also do

not take

much interest in the person of Pasteur and/or Béchamp.

" The point is, people who are trully healthy do not get sick. "

I agree, but I don't see how that fact validates pleomorphism per se. When my

immune

system's working great, I can deal perfectly with " intruders " from outside. I do

not see why

either the " microbes are everything " OR " the terrain is everything " . My question

is: why

can't it be about BOTH? As in an ecosystems where 2 species keep each other in

check.

And when for whatever reason one of the species's populations is halved (for

example by

the hands of humans) imbalance results that can negatively affect both.

Thanks in advance,

Brecht

> ==>I'm will not argue with you. You can read a lot about this on the

> internet by searching " pleomorphism " . It serves no one a useful

> purpose. The point is, people who are trully healthy (stress and

> their nutritional status upon conception aside of course) do not get

> sick. This program builds up the immune system by giving the body

> what it needs to do its job, according to Nature's Laws.

>

> Bee