Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Suze, I don't know how hot a UPS truck gets in July, but Really Raw Honey says to stock up for the summer as the heat in shipment does destroy the enzymes. People rave about the taste though, so you may like it as much as your brand, or even more. I wouldn't think filtering of honey could be minimal, seems like any filter would take out all the bits of pollen and stuff that it naturally comes with. I react terribly to filtered honey or to eating the pollen after it's been filtered out, but when they're still together, it's incredibly healing for me. Link below. http://www.reallyrawhoney.com/ --n > i'm purchasing a 5 gallon pail of honey from http://www.beeherenow.com from > Maine wildflowers. It's never heated above 110 F and the response i got from > the company indicated it's not usually even heated that high, and is > minimally filtered. Does anyone know if this is an acceptably low > temperature so as not to destroy enzymes or nutrients? The taste is > magnificent as i've been buying it in quart or pint jars at my local > farmers' market. > > TIA :-) > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org > > ---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " - - > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > <http://www.thincs.org> > ---------------------------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ I wouldn't think filtering of > honey could be minimal, seems like any filter would take out all the > bits of pollen and stuff that it naturally comes with. I react > terribly to filtered honey or to eating the pollen after it's been > filtered out, but when they're still together, it's incredibly > healing for me. Link below. > > http://www.reallyrawhoney.com/ > > --n @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ at my preferred local apiary, the honey is labelled " unfiltered " , and so i asked what's in it that would otherwise be filtered out. the answer seemed to be " not much " , except small pieces of beeswax. pollen doesn't naturally occur together with the honey, beyond accidental traces; it's not filtered out because it's not there in the first place. i'm only one step above total ignorance about this stuff, so i can't provide any definitive answers; i'm only mentioning this so you can do your own research because you may have misperceptions of honey. maybe it would be good to read some books on beekeeping and have one-on-one conversations with a local beekeeper if this is an important item in your diet. maybe you're reacting to the degree of heat treatment, not filtration. or maybe your reacting to honey from one type of plant versus another, which would logically co-vary with brand. try buying some honeycomb straight out of the hive that hasn't been processed at all. it boggles my mind that anyone could have a strong negative reaction to honey in one form and not in another; i mean, i definitely buy into the arguments that unheated honey is much healthier and i would never buy heated honey, but the idea of having a clear problem with heated honey is hard for me to conceptualize. just trying to be the friendly, helpful skeptic in the face of anecdotal evidence... mike parker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:32:17 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote: >i'm purchasing a 5 gallon pail of honey from http://www.beeherenow.com from >Maine wildflowers. It's never heated above 110 F and the response i got from >the company indicated it's not usually even heated that high, and is >minimally filtered. Does anyone know if this is an acceptably low >temperature so as not to destroy enzymes or nutrients? The taste is >magnificent as i've been buying it in quart or pint jars at my local >farmers' market. > Suze, The bees keep the hive temperature at 93 degrees no matter what the outside temp. So if you are looking for genuinely raw honey and are talking to an RVAFG (LOL, the 'G " stands for grains, a no no for most RVAF'ers) person like me then that is what we will recommmend. I don't think there has been any research on honey at that temp. vs. honey heated at temps above that but there is a lot of anecdotal evidence on the live foods and primal diet lists. And AV. FWIW, says he notices a difference among his clients who use the no heat honey versus the low heat honey. Personally, I think the principle with honey is the same as with meats, dairy, and oils. You should only consider them genuinely raw if they haven't been processed at a temp. higher than what they would have reached in nature. This means of course that most raw animal food can be eaten warm or even very warm, not cold as raw animal food averse people sometimes think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 I'm quite sure filtering is disadvantageous, but regardless, why on earth would one pass up the opportunity to eat all that crispy propollis/royaljelly/beeswax/honeycomb stuff that accumulates on the top of Really Raw honey? It's better than the honey! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Mike P, I don't think I have misconceptions about honey. I'll cut and paste some quotes from the site to give you a better understanding. Truly unfiltered honey has lots of pollen in it. I'm curious where you thought bee pollen did come from, if not from the honey taken out of the hive. The entire basis of NT is that throughout history humans have been discovering how different foods need to be prepared in order to be as healthful as possible for the human body. Some foods have been found to be ideally eaten just as they are found in nature, others need various degrees and types of processing. Some people can eat junk food and yet feel just fine (although this of course might not continue to be the case in their future, or for their children), while others (such as my cousin) can die from eating a piece of a nut the size of a pinhead. I can't imagine how it could seem even remotely strange that a refined food could be harmful to my body. There are certainly many people whose bodies don't have the same problems and weaknesses mine currently does, so when they eat that same food, they can get health benefit from the healthful aspects that are still present in the food. The stuff that can be filtered out of honey simply keeps other components in honey from stressing my kidneys, causing my TMJ to go out of place. The non-pollen components of honey prevents the concentrated enzymes in the pollen from irritating my intestinal lining, causing severe stomach cramps. I guess healthy kidneys and an undamaged gut wouldn't get stressed or irritated by the practice of eating an isolated part of honey. I don't think the heating of honey causes problems for me, but I don't get the incredible healing effects when it's been heated. " Bee propolis is a brown resinous substance made from the sap collected by honey bees from leaf buds and bark of various trees. Used medicinally since antiquity, it has been scientifically found to have remarkable antibiotic, antibacterial, anti-fungal, anti-septic, anti-viral, and anti-inflammatory properties. " " Really Raw Honey is a totally unprocessed whole food, that is never heated or strained, and contains all the pollen, propolis, vitamins, enzymes and trace minerals the bees put into it. " I don't know why you suggest I try totally unprocessed honey--that's the kind of honey I'd said is what I already use. The beekeepers take the honey out of the hive and put it in containers. The bits of pollen, propolis and beeswax that are in the honey rise to the top and form a layer that can be stirred back into the honey before using so that it's evenly distributed. They get the honey from bee keepers all over, and the taste and color varies depending on what type of plants the bees forage. So it's never seemed to have anything to do with the area or the variety of the honey, just the processing of it. In Russia the beekeepers would live a very long time, because after the pollen had sunk down to the bottom of the container, they'd sell the honey on top and eat the so-called " dirty " honey at the very bottom themselves. I'm not sure why it went down instead of up in that case. Perhaps bees in Asia make super heavy pollen. " These golden granules of honeybee pollen are from the bee's choice of pollens and mixed with nectar, as the food source within the hive. Bee pollen has been called a " super food " because it contains nearly every known nutrient required for a balanced human diet and is the richest source of vitamins found in a single food. Bee pollen can be eaten as a high-energy snack, and is believed to increase alertness, help circulation, and enhance energy and stamina. " --n > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > I wouldn't think filtering of > > honey could be minimal, seems like any filter would take out all > the > > bits of pollen and stuff that it naturally comes with. I react > > terribly to filtered honey or to eating the pollen after it's been > > filtered out, but when they're still together, it's incredibly > > healing for me. Link below. > > > > http://www.reallyrawhoney.com/ > > > > --n > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > at my preferred local apiary, the honey is labelled " unfiltered " , and > so i asked what's in it that would otherwise be filtered out. the > answer seemed to be " not much " , except small pieces of beeswax. > pollen doesn't naturally occur together with the honey, beyond > accidental traces; it's not filtered out because it's not there in > the first place. i'm only one step above total ignorance about this > stuff, so i can't provide any definitive answers; i'm only mentioning > this so you can do your own research because you may have > misperceptions of honey. maybe it would be good to read some books > on beekeeping and have one-on-one conversations with a local > beekeeper if this is an important item in your diet. maybe you're > reacting to the degree of heat treatment, not filtration. or maybe > your reacting to honey from one type of plant versus another, which > would logically co-vary with brand. try buying some honeycomb > straight out of the hive that hasn't been processed at all. it > boggles my mind that anyone could have a strong negative reaction to > honey in one form and not in another; i mean, i definitely buy into > the arguments that unheated honey is much healthier and i would never > buy heated honey, but the idea of having a clear problem with heated > honey is hard for me to conceptualize. just trying to be the > friendly, helpful skeptic in the face of anecdotal evidence... > > mike parker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 In a message dated 10/11/03 10:09:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > ---->thanks, i've heard good things about it too. if only i could compare > prices but reallyrawhoney goes by poundage and bee here now goes by the > gallon. i have no idea how much 5 gallons of honey weighs! If it's anything like water and butter, two cups is a pound. Anyway, if it helps at all, my 2-lb jar of Really Raw honey is 6.5 " tall and 3.5 " diameter. I paid $22 for it, which is pretty expensive, but oh is it great! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 >>>>The bees keep the hive temperature at 93 degrees no matter what the outside temp. ----->ahhhh...*that's* what i wanted to know. i wasn't sure how hot the hive got, thanks for that bit of info. i think the really raw honey looks great...i will try to cancel my order (although it may be too late) as it's a whole winter's supply. i was told by the farmer whom i first bought it from that it's " raw " - he uses it in his sourdough breads, but i don't think he realizes it's not actually raw. it's probably better than most, but the really raw honey looks great - i'd like to get that instead. >>>>And AV. FWIW, says he notices a difference among his clients who use the no heat honey versus the low heat honey. ---->any idea what in particular he notices? >>>>Personally, I think the principle with honey is the same as with meats, dairy, and oils. You should only consider them genuinely raw if they haven't been processed at a temp. higher than what they would have reached in nature. ---->yes, i agree. thanks :-) Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 >>>>I don't know how hot a UPS truck gets in July, but Really Raw Honey says to stock up for the summer as the heat in shipment does destroy the enzymes. ---->this wouldn't be shipped UPS - a local farmer picks it up because it's not too far away. and i'd get it from him at my local farmer's market. >>>>>http://www.reallyrawhoney.com/ ---->thanks, i've heard good things about it too. if only i could compare prices but reallyrawhoney goes by poundage and bee here now goes by the gallon. i have no idea how much 5 gallons of honey weighs! Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Suze, I didn't think you'd be concerned about shipping tempurature (since it's October), I just meant that the tempurature honey goes to during shipment in summer is a temperature that's said to be bad for the honey. By the way, they're very friendly, you can email asking how many pounds would equal a gallon. --n > >>>>I don't know how hot a UPS truck gets in July, but Really Raw Honey > says to stock up for the summer as the heat in shipment does destroy > the enzymes. > > ---->this wouldn't be shipped UPS - a local farmer picks it up because it's > not too far away. and i'd get it from him at my local farmer's market. > > Suze Fisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Suze, Which honey are you buying from them? I want to find some that is not super dark and strong tasting. I want more of the mild, light colored honey. Michele " raw " honey i'm purchasing a 5 gallon pail of honey from http://www.beeherenow.com from Maine wildflowers. It's never heated above 110 F and the response i got from the company indicated it's not usually even heated that high, and is minimally filtered. Does anyone know if this is an acceptably low temperature so as not to destroy enzymes or nutrients? The taste is magnificent as i've been buying it in quart or pint jars at my local farmers' market. TIA :-) Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 >>>>Which honey are you buying from them? I want to find some that is not super dark and strong tasting. I want more of the mild, light colored honey. ---->i've been getting the maine honey. i live in maine and one of the farmers (and fellow NTer) sells this honey at the local farmer's market. they gave me a taste and i was sold. of course they said it was unheated or raw (don't remember which), but i'm sure that's what they were told. nonetheless, it's a medium-bodied, great tasting honey. however, i think the beekeepers will be heading to georgia shortly, so if you want the maine honey, you should probably order it very soon. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Honey has a greater sweeting power than sugar. Twelve ounces (Weight) of Honey equals one standard measuring cup. In baked goods, reduce the amount of liquid by 1/4 cup for each cup of honey used; add 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda for each cup of honey used; reduce the oven temperature by 25 degrees to prevent overbrowning. For easy removal spray the measuring cup with non-stick cooking spray or oil before adding honey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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