Guest guest Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 , In different cities here we have some of the same. But in high school, for some of the students in sped self contained classes, they work on vocational skills out in the community. The schools partner up with business or sometimes schools. The kids go off school site to the businesses to work for the afternoon. After a grading period, they can rotate to another job site and try a new vocation. Some of the sites are elementary schools, so the students can go to the same site and work with preschool classes (childcare experience) for one grading period, work in the cafeteria (food service experience) for one grading period, PE classes (teacher assistant) for one grading period and office worker (clerical experience) for one grading period. Some students go to a hospital where they can work in the cafeteria, in the laundry, in an office, etc. Some students go to retail stores or grocery stores and work stocking shelves or whatever job the business and the school have worked out. Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Even if they DO need 4 -6 years of life skills, I have a HUGE problem with dumping academics (which I also consider a life skill!) in favor of teaching the " activities of life " (such as beg making, cleaning up, etc) which I already teach at home. I certainly don't need to send her to school so she can learn how to fold laundry... Also - the schools have to teach our kids thru age 21. Why start at age 12 with the life skill stuff? - Becky In a message dated 12/23/2006 10:40:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michdock@... writes: So far I have not allowed Maverick in any of the " Life skils classes " but in doing some research, it seems that they are saying the students need 4 to 6 years of lifeskills to be able to go out and work in the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 In our schools they start teaching the sp Ed children lifeskills in Jr. High. For example, the sp Ed class goes to lunch about 20 minutes before the rest of the school. Then, they are finished eating and while the typical " population are eating, many of the sp Ed students are washing tables and cleaning up garbage. They work on cooking and landry and making beds in the afternoon. In the high school. The sp Ed classes go to an elective 1st and 2nd period (and they have just a few electives to choose from) and then the have academics 3rd period (in the self contained classroom) and then 4th period is Sp. Olympics P.E. (which they must attend to participate in Sp.O.) and then lunch. After lunch They have 2 periods of " Life Skills " . They do laundry, cooking, fold pizza boxes (every hs in our county has a contract with one of the pizza chains!!!!!!) They have bake sales, nacho sales, breakfast burrito sales, they make and sale note pads. So far I have not allowed Maverick in any of the " Life skils classes " but in doing some research, it seems that they are saying the students need 4 to 6 years of lifeskills to be able to go out and work in the community. We are looking at other options. For example, our HS has a program for teen moms and has a daycare on the site. Mav has plenty of experience with children, babies, toddlers with us doing foster care, so I would like him to work in there. He can learn his job skills there. We'll see what happens. A Child fills a place in your heart you never knew was empty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 HI, I refused to let my son go into segregated classroom when he hit the Jr. High. Standard practice!! My son took some reg. Ed classes and some remedial reading classes as well as his speech/ I refused to let him clean a lunch room in front of his peers!! His peers were not treated this way. When he reached 9th grade I let him start doing a vocational training once a week of school grounds. He also had one life skills class to work on cooking banking and such. Typical students buddy up with the kids and come in and cook with them. He went up to 3 different vocational jobs a week 3 days a week 3 class periods. Does his life skills a few class periods the other 2 days gets his speech in as well as OT once a week. He does photography,gym and fitness as well as lunch with his typical peers. The older he got the more I felt he needed to work on travel skills,banking,and work skills. He irons his work clothes at school as well as launders them. Is this for all kids NO . Do what works for yours. Some schools start trash pick up and lunchroom cleaning skills in the Elementary school. My son did inclusive regular Ed and developed friendships that are still with him at age 19. Jeannette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 What you are describing is exactly what is doing in high school. It working out very well for him. He's trying many different things (jobs in the community) in order to find his " niche. " He will graduate this school year and then he will go to a different school where the focus will be completely on vocation. We will sell it to him by saying all his friends are graduating like him and going to a different school (college) and he will go to his new school now that high school is over. Im nervous, but it's time. Jackie, Mom to 19ds, 16, and Bradley 12 -------------- Original message -------------- From: wildwards@... , In different cities here we have some of the same. But in high school, for some of the students in sped self contained classes, they work on vocational skills out in the community. The schools partner up with business or sometimes schools. The kids go off school site to the businesses to work for the afternoon. After a grading period, they can rotate to another job site and try a new vocation. Some of the sites are elementary schools, so the students can go to the same site and work with preschool classes (childcare experience) for one grading period, work in the cafeteria (food service experience) for one grading period, PE classes (teacher assistant) for one grading period and office worker (clerical experience) for one grading period. Some students go to a hospital where they can work in the cafeteria, in the laundry, in an office, etc. Some students go to retail stores or grocery stores and work stocking shelves or whatever job the business and the school have worked out. Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 We havent gotten to this point yet as our son is 9 and we are still fighting to get him into regular ed . But I agree 120 % that I would not allow my child to clean or do these jobs for his peers in a school setting WHILE he is still in school/ Out in the community as a coop type of ed would be a different situation . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 My knickers are in a twist for you, LOL! I would much rather teach how to run the washing machine and dryer than try and teach her how to write a paragraph or count money! Most of us are very well qualified to teach our children these skills, so I'd rather the highly skilled staff at the school teach academics (which should be THEIR expertise), and I'll work on the home skills.... just like with my other kids. And if these goals are for a Home Ec class (which I agree, would be appropriate), then great! We taught laundry sorting fairly early.... I bought a 4-bin hamper to put in the hallway outside the laundry room. It is labeled " socks and underwear " , " darks " , " lights " , and " jeans " . with signs I printed on the computer. Under each word are a bunch of " color swatches " so that if you are not sure what " dark " is, you can just look at the colored circles. Everyone sorts well, and I don't have to collect from individual hampers. does fine... if she didn't, I'd find her clothes in the wrong bin, but I rarely do. Personally, I want all my kids to put away their clothes, but I'm not so sure I want any of them knowing the secret of the washing machine.... then they'll know how to wash a single favorite pair of jeans, all alone (like I did at their age, LOL, until my dad found out.... now he comes to visit for a week and brings two pair of pants.... and washes frequently.... I guess I should be happy that his memory is good enough to remember 30+ years ago, and that he still has a sense of humor!) There are only so many hours in a school day, and they will only be able to work on so many goals. I would not want ANY goals (life skills, academic, social, whatever!) for my child that I felt took away from what I feel are her " really important " goals. Sounds like you could think of some goals more in line with your thinking for Nick. , mom to (13), (10 DS), and Sammy (9) CMancari@... wrote: > > Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me > what they think. > > We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when > I'm reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals > that state: > > Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks). > > Nick will learn to run a washing machine. > > Nick will learn to run a dryer. > > Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths. > > Nick will learn to plan a menu. > > Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances. > > Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff > I'm supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes > this evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out > to dinner before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but > I'm particular about my folding and would probably only let him fold > the socks for now anyway.) > > Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads > (paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with > numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick > will learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 > and their decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name > them, he names them all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all > those too.? Now, money is still confusing to him.? We did play around > with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = > dollars, etc. > > I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home > ec type class, but have major problems with the thought they might > have Nick washing the schools towels and dish cloths.? > > Thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Cari > Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD > tendencies, Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 In MY opinion, it's not acceptable. One class where they work on those skills, like a home ec type class is OK, but the rest of the time he should be getting academics. Yup..... don't agree to it. Where is he at with TIME.... he needs to be working on TIME and MONEY skills more than folding laundry. Where is he at with his reading? Does he do spelling words? How is his penmanship? SO many things he can be working on rather than running a washer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 My two cents worth - most of it is stuff that doesn't need teaching at school. These are things better taught in the home where he can see the practical and the why and how of your washing. Teach him to do these things at school - 1 - he will learn how to do things someone else's way not yours 2- he may just equate washing is something done at school and never do it at home. I have nothing against the planning of a menu or learning to cook a simple meal but the rest I would not allow. In saying that, my view is a hindsight thing - Trent learnt at school and at day program laundry/folding/ironing etc. The thing is I do not want him doing the washing nor ironing. I have had him attempt to iron and had a hot iron on things that didn't need a hot iron - I have had him overfill the washing machine with a mixture of white and darks. I have had him hanging clothes up on the line which I didn't know where there. When we were on holidays earlier in the year, twice he put his bathers and towel in the washing machine and set it. Great independence etc., but did I really need these things washed the morning we were moving on - no. Wet towel and bathers in a suitcase isn't what I needed. Keep smiling Jan, mother of Trent 24yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CMancari@... Sent: Saturday, 25 October 2008 12:48 PM DownSyndromeAcademics ; DOWN-SYN@...; Subject: Life Skills Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what they think. We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state: Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks). Nick will learn to run a washing machine. Nick will learn to run a dryer. Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths. Nick will learn to plan a menu. Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances. Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular about my folding and would probably only let him fold the socks for now anyway.) Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads (paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is still confusing to him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = dollars, etc. I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec type class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick washing the schools towels and dish cloths.? Thoughts? Thanks! Cari Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies, Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 One way to keep the school from going down the wrong road is to take this next week and jot down your observations of just what he can already do (even if it means funny folded clothes). That also helps you to see if there are areas he's having trouble and decide if you want any assistance from the school with those. Menu planning and cooking might be addressed in a nutrition class rather than life skills. Something to keep in mind is that many life skills can be honed at home and that that is an area where there seem to be adult services available. Academics opportunities will be harder to come by after high school, so you might not want to spend hs time on other areas just yet. Has the school done a transition plan for him yet? If not, you might find a form and info online so that you'll be better prepared when they do. That will also help you to see if they are trying to steer his planning away from academics into -ahem-some other area and outcomes you might not be envisioning. Judi _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CMancari@... Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:48 PM DownSyndromeAcademics ; DOWN-SYN@...; Subject: Life Skills Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what they think. We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state: Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks). Nick will learn to run a washing machine. Nick will learn to run a dryer. Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths. Nick will learn to plan a menu. Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances. Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular about my folding and would probably only let him fold the socks for now anyway.) Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads (paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is still confusing to him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = dollars, etc. I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec type class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick washing the schools towels and dish cloths.? Thoughts? Thanks! Cari Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies, Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I have it in my IEP that Ben's life skills must be approved by me. They are going to do them but I also have them do the academic things with him also. Anytime we have the kids in special education they will do lifeskills but if I have to approve what he does in that it helps. For instance, the lifeskills that Ben does now is that he has to go to the supply room with a list of supplies and get them and put them in the proper teacher's mailbox. I could not teach this to him at home. Try and focus on skills that you cannot teach him at home. If you can be successful about getting that in his IEP you will have more control over what they use as a life skill. Hope that helps some. M. Life Skills Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what they think. We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state: Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks). Nick will learn to run a washing machine. Nick will learn to run a dryer. Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths. Nick will learn to plan a menu. Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances. Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular about my folding and would probably only let him fold the socks for now anyway.) Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads (paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is still confusing to him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = dollars, etc. I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec type class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick washing the schools towels and dish cloths.? Thoughts? Thanks! Cari Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies, Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Couldn't agree more with , Kathy, and . Teaching those sorts of life skills happens at home, as it did for my sister, brother and I. Please don't ask me to teach academics. That is the school's job. Sharon H. Mom to , (17, DS) and , (13) South Carolina www.gsdss.net " Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. " " Life is too short for drama & petty things, so kiss slowly, laugh insanely, love truly and forgive quickly. " Life Skills Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what they think. We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state: Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks). Nick will learn to run a washing machine. Nick will learn to run a dryer. Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths. Nick will learn to plan a menu. Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances. Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular about my folding and would probably only let him fold the socks for now anyway.) Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads (paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is still confusing to him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = dollars, etc. I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec type class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick washing the schools towels and dish cloths.? Thoughts? Thanks! Cari Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies, Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I do have to add, twice a month goes with the self contained special ed class at the high school and cleans a church and a youth center. I asked that she attend these days. Not that she needs to learn how to clean. She already knows how to vacuum, mop, dust. (And the teacher was very impressed with her skill level, not to brag, but my goodness, what did she expect). My goal, and it is written in 's IEP, is that work on her time management skills. In other words, learn to complete tasks in a certain time frame, not what we call " time " at home. And it is working very well, both with the school program, and it is spilling over into home also. Now when she goes upstairs to clean her room, she does just as good of a job, but she does it in a better time frame. And when we told what she would be doing with the school, we told her she is doing community service, giving back to the community and helping others. She understands that very well, and I heard the teacher liked that idea so well, she now has her whole class understanding that, and the church and community center along the same lines also. Sharon H. Mom to , (17, DS) and , (13) South Carolina www.gsdss.net " Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. " " Life is too short for drama & petty things, so kiss slowly, laugh insanely, love truly and forgive quickly. " Life Skills Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what they think. We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state: Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks). Nick will learn to run a washing machine. Nick will learn to run a dryer. Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths. Nick will learn to plan a menu. Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances. Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular about my folding and would probably only let him fold the socks for now anyway.) Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads (paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is still confusing to him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = dollars, etc. I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec type class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick washing the schools towels and dish cloths.? Thoughts? Thanks! Cari Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies, Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 HI Sharon So agree ........ more than once I've had to say " Is it written in Sara's IEP " Kathy mom to Sara 16 From: Sharon Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:52 AM ; CMancari@... Subject: Re: Life Skills I do have to add, twice a month goes with the self contained special ed class at the high school and cleans a church and a youth center. I asked that she attend these days. Not that she needs to learn how to clean. She already knows how to vacuum, mop, dust. (And the teacher was very impressed with her skill level, not to brag, but my goodness, what did she expect). My goal, and it is written in 's IEP, is that work on her time management skills. In other words, learn to complete tasks in a certain time frame, not what we call " time " at home. And it is working very well, both with the school program, and it is spilling over into home also. Now when she goes upstairs to clean her room, she does just as good of a job, but she does it in a better time frame. And when we told what she would be doing with the school, we told her she is doing community service, giving back to the community and helping others. She understands that very well, and I heard the teacher liked that idea so well, she now has her whole class understanding that, and the church and community center along the same lines also. Sharon H. Mom to , (17, DS) and , (13) South Carolina www.gsdss.net " Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. " " Life is too short for drama & petty things, so kiss slowly, laugh insanely, love truly and forgive quickly. " Life Skills Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what they think. We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state: Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks). Nick will learn to run a washing machine. Nick will learn to run a dryer. Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths. Nick will learn to plan a menu. Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances. Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular about my folding and would probably only let him fold the socks for now anyway.) Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads (paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is still confusing to him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = dollars, etc. I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec type class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick washing the schools towels and dish cloths.? Thoughts? Thanks! Cari Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies, Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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