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In different cities here we have some of the same. But in high school, for

some of the students in sped self contained classes, they work on vocational

skills out in the community. The schools partner up with business or

sometimes schools. The kids go off school site to the businesses to work for

the

afternoon.

After a grading period, they can rotate to another job site and try a new

vocation. Some of the sites are elementary schools, so the students can go to

the same site and work with preschool classes (childcare experience) for one

grading period, work in the cafeteria (food service experience) for one

grading period, PE classes (teacher assistant) for one grading period and

office

worker (clerical experience) for one grading period. Some students go to a

hospital where they can work in the cafeteria, in the laundry, in an office,

etc.

Some students go to retail stores or grocery stores and work stocking

shelves or whatever job the business and the school have worked out.

Cheryl in VA

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Even if they DO need 4 -6 years of life skills, I have a HUGE problem with

dumping academics (which I also consider a life skill!) in favor of teaching

the " activities of life " (such as beg making, cleaning up, etc) which I already

teach at home. I certainly don't need to send her to school so she can learn

how to fold laundry...

Also - the schools have to teach our kids thru age 21. Why start at age 12

with the life skill stuff?

- Becky

In a message dated 12/23/2006 10:40:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Michdock@... writes:

So far I have not allowed Maverick in any of the " Life skils classes " but in

doing some research, it seems that they are saying the students need 4 to 6

years of lifeskills to be able to go out and work in the community.

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In our schools they start teaching the sp Ed children lifeskills in Jr.

High. For example, the sp Ed class goes to lunch about 20 minutes before

the rest of the school. Then, they are finished eating and while the

typical " population are eating, many of the sp Ed students are washing

tables and cleaning up garbage. They work on cooking and landry and making

beds in the afternoon.

In the high school. The sp Ed classes go to an elective 1st and 2nd period

(and they have just a few electives to choose from) and then the have

academics 3rd period (in the self contained classroom) and then 4th period

is Sp. Olympics P.E. (which they must attend to participate in Sp.O.) and

then lunch. After lunch

They have 2 periods of " Life Skills " . They do laundry, cooking, fold pizza

boxes (every hs in our county has a contract with one of the pizza

chains!!!!!!) They have bake sales, nacho sales, breakfast burrito sales,

they make and sale note pads.

So far I have not allowed Maverick in any of the " Life skils classes " but in

doing some research, it seems that they are saying the students need 4 to 6

years of lifeskills to be able to go out and work in the community. We are

looking at other options. For example, our HS has a program for teen moms

and has a daycare on the site. Mav has plenty of experience with children,

babies, toddlers with us doing foster care, so I would like him to work in

there. He can learn his job skills there. We'll see what happens.

A Child fills a place in your heart you never knew was empty!

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HI,

I refused to let my son go into segregated classroom when he hit the Jr.

High. Standard practice!!

My son took some reg. Ed classes and some remedial reading classes as well

as his speech/ I refused to let him clean a lunch room in front of his peers!!

His peers were not treated this way.

When he reached 9th grade I let him start doing a vocational training once a

week of school grounds.

He also had one life skills class to work on cooking banking and such.

Typical students buddy up with the kids and come in and cook with them. He went

up

to 3 different vocational jobs a week 3 days a week 3 class periods. Does his

life skills a few class periods the other 2 days gets his speech in as well

as OT once a week. He does photography,gym and fitness as well as lunch with

his typical peers. The older he got the more I felt he needed to work on

travel skills,banking,and work skills. He irons his work clothes at school as

well as launders them.

Is this for all kids NO . Do what works for yours. Some schools start trash

pick up and lunchroom cleaning skills in the Elementary school. My son did

inclusive regular Ed and developed friendships that are still with him at age

19.

Jeannette

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What you are describing is exactly what is doing in high school. It

working out very well for him. He's trying many different things (jobs in the

community) in order to find his " niche. " He will graduate this school year and

then he will go to a different school where the focus will be completely on

vocation. We will sell it to him by saying all his friends are graduating like

him and going to a different school (college) and he will go to his new school

now that high school is over. Im nervous, but it's time.

Jackie, Mom to 19ds, 16, and Bradley 12

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From: wildwards@...

,

In different cities here we have some of the same. But in high school, for

some of the students in sped self contained classes, they work on vocational

skills out in the community. The schools partner up with business or

sometimes schools. The kids go off school site to the businesses to work for the

afternoon.

After a grading period, they can rotate to another job site and try a new

vocation. Some of the sites are elementary schools, so the students can go to

the same site and work with preschool classes (childcare experience) for one

grading period, work in the cafeteria (food service experience) for one

grading period, PE classes (teacher assistant) for one grading period and office

worker (clerical experience) for one grading period. Some students go to a

hospital where they can work in the cafeteria, in the laundry, in an office,

etc.

Some students go to retail stores or grocery stores and work stocking

shelves or whatever job the business and the school have worked out.

Cheryl in VA

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We havent gotten to this point yet as our son is 9 and we are still

fighting to get him into regular ed . But I agree 120 % that I would not allow

my

child to clean or do these jobs for his peers in a school setting WHILE he is

still in school/ Out in the community as a coop type of ed would be a

different situation .

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My knickers are in a twist for you, LOL!

I would much rather teach how to run the washing machine and

dryer than try and teach her how to write a paragraph or count money!

Most of us are very well qualified to teach our children these skills,

so I'd rather the highly skilled staff at the school teach academics

(which should be THEIR expertise), and I'll work on the home skills....

just like with my other kids. And if these goals are for a Home Ec

class (which I agree, would be appropriate), then great!

We taught laundry sorting fairly early.... I bought a 4-bin hamper to

put in the hallway outside the laundry room. It is labeled " socks and

underwear " , " darks " , " lights " , and " jeans " . with signs I printed on the

computer. Under each word are a bunch of " color swatches " so that if

you are not sure what " dark " is, you can just look at the colored

circles. Everyone sorts well, and I don't have to collect from

individual hampers. does fine... if she didn't, I'd find her

clothes in the wrong bin, but I rarely do.

Personally, I want all my kids to put away their clothes, but I'm not so

sure I want any of them knowing the secret of the washing machine....

then they'll know how to wash a single favorite pair of jeans, all alone

(like I did at their age, LOL, until my dad found out.... now he comes

to visit for a week and brings two pair of pants.... and washes

frequently.... I guess I should be happy that his memory is good enough

to remember 30+ years ago, and that he still has a sense of humor!)

There are only so many hours in a school day, and they will only be able

to work on so many goals. I would not want ANY goals (life skills,

academic, social, whatever!) for my child that I felt took away from

what I feel are her " really important " goals. Sounds like you could

think of some goals more in line with your thinking for Nick.

, mom to (13), (10 DS), and Sammy (9)

CMancari@... wrote:

>

> Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me

> what they think.

>

> We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when

> I'm reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals

> that state:

>

> Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks).

>

> Nick will learn to run a washing machine.

>

> Nick will learn to run a dryer.

>

> Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths.

>

> Nick will learn to plan a menu.

>

> Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances.

>

> Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff

> I'm supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes

> this evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out

> to dinner before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but

> I'm particular about my folding and would probably only let him fold

> the socks for now anyway.)

>

> Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads

> (paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with

> numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick

> will learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4

> and their decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name

> them, he names them all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all

> those too.? Now, money is still confusing to him.? We did play around

> with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How many quarters =

> dollars, etc.

>

> I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home

> ec type class, but have major problems with the thought they might

> have Nick washing the schools towels and dish cloths.?

>

> Thoughts?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Cari

> Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD

> tendencies, Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies)

>

>

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In MY opinion, it's not acceptable. One class where they work on those skills,

like a home ec type class is OK, but the rest of the time he should be getting

academics.

Yup..... don't agree to it.

Where is he at with TIME.... he needs to be working on TIME and MONEY skills

more than folding laundry.

Where is he at with his reading? Does he do spelling words? How is his

penmanship?

SO many things he can be working on rather than running a washer.

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My two cents worth - most of it is stuff that doesn't need teaching at

school. These are things better taught in the home where he can see the

practical and the why and how of your washing.

Teach him to do these things at school - 1 - he will learn how to do things

someone else's way not yours 2- he may just equate washing is something

done at school and never do it at home.

I have nothing against the planning of a menu or learning to cook a simple

meal but the rest I would not allow. In saying that, my view is a hindsight

thing - Trent learnt at school and at day program laundry/folding/ironing

etc. The thing is I do not want him doing the washing nor ironing. I have

had him attempt to iron and had a hot iron on things that didn't need a hot

iron - I have had him overfill the washing machine with a mixture of white

and darks. I have had him hanging clothes up on the line which I didn't

know where there.

When we were on holidays earlier in the year, twice he put his bathers and

towel in the washing machine and set it. Great independence etc., but did I

really need these things washed the morning we were moving on - no. Wet

towel and bathers in a suitcase isn't what I needed.

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 24yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

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Of CMancari@...

Sent: Saturday, 25 October 2008 12:48 PM

DownSyndromeAcademics ; DOWN-SYN@...;

Subject: Life Skills

Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what

they think.

We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm

reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state:

Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks).

Nick will learn to run a washing machine.

Nick will learn to run a dryer.

Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths.

Nick will learn to plan a menu.

Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances.

Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm

supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this

evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner

before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular

about my folding and would probably only let him fold the socks for now

anyway.)

Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads

(paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with

numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will

learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their

decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them

all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is

still confusing to him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles,

dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = dollars, etc.

I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec

type class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick

washing the schools towels and dish cloths.?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Cari

Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies,

Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies)

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One way to keep the school from going down the wrong road is to take this

next week and jot down your observations of just what he can already do

(even if it means funny folded clothes). That also helps you to see if

there are areas he's having trouble and decide if you want any assistance

from the school with those.

Menu planning and cooking might be addressed in a nutrition class rather

than life skills.

Something to keep in mind is that many life skills can be honed at home and

that that is an area where there seem to be adult services available.

Academics opportunities will be harder to come by after high school, so you

might not want to spend hs time on other areas just yet.

Has the school done a transition plan for him yet? If not, you might find a

form and info online so that you'll be better prepared when they do. That

will also help you to see if they are trying to steer his planning away from

academics into -ahem-some other area and outcomes you might not be

envisioning.

Judi

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Of CMancari@...

Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:48 PM

DownSyndromeAcademics ; DOWN-SYN@...;

Subject: Life Skills

Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what

they think.

We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm

reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state:

Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks).

Nick will learn to run a washing machine.

Nick will learn to run a dryer.

Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths.

Nick will learn to plan a menu.

Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances.

Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm

supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this

evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner

before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular

about my folding and would probably only let him fold the socks for now

anyway.)

Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads

(paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with

numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will

learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their

decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them

all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is

still confusing to him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles,

dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = dollars, etc.

I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec

type class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick

washing the schools towels and dish cloths.?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Cari

Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies,

Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies)

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I have it in my IEP that Ben's life skills must be approved by me. They are

going to do them but I also have them do the academic things with him also.

Anytime we have the kids in special education they will do lifeskills but if I

have to approve what he does in that it helps. For instance, the lifeskills

that Ben does now is that he has to go to the supply room with a list of

supplies and get them and put them in the proper teacher's mailbox. I could not

teach this to him at home. Try and focus on skills that you cannot teach him at

home. If you can be successful about getting that in his IEP you will have more

control over what they use as a life skill.

Hope that helps some.

M.

Life Skills

Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what

they think.

We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm

reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state:

Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks).

Nick will learn to run a washing machine.

Nick will learn to run a dryer.

Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths.

Nick will learn to plan a menu.

Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances.

Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm

supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this

evening through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner

before the dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular

about my folding and would probably only let him fold the socks for now

anyway.)

Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads

(paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with

numbers in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will

learn his numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their

decimal points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them

all.? Then I wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is

still confusing to him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles,

dimes, quarters.? How many quarters = dollars, etc.

I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec

type class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick

washing the schools towels and dish cloths.?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Cari

Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies,

Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies)

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Couldn't agree more with , Kathy, and . Teaching those sorts of life

skills happens at home, as it did for my sister, brother and I. Please don't

ask me to teach academics. That is the school's job.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (17, DS) and , (13)

South Carolina

www.gsdss.net

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

" Life is too short for drama & petty things, so kiss slowly, laugh insanely,

love truly and forgive quickly. "

Life Skills

Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what

they think.

We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm

reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state:

Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks).

Nick will learn to run a washing machine.

Nick will learn to run a dryer.

Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths.

Nick will learn to plan a menu.

Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances.

Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm

supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this evening

through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner before the

dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular about my folding

and would probably only let him fold the socks for now anyway.)

Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads

(paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with numbers

in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will learn his

numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their decimal

points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them all.? Then I

wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is still confusing to

him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How

many quarters = dollars, etc.

I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec type

class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick washing the

schools towels and dish cloths.?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Cari

Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies,

Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies)

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I do have to add, twice a month goes with the self contained special ed

class at the high school and cleans a church and a youth center. I asked that

she attend these days. Not that she needs to learn how to clean. She already

knows how to vacuum, mop, dust. (And the teacher was very impressed with her

skill level, not to brag, but my goodness, what did she expect). My goal, and

it is written in 's IEP, is that work on her time management skills.

In other words, learn to complete tasks in a certain time frame, not what we

call " time " at home. And it is working very well, both with the school

program, and it is spilling over into home also. Now when she goes upstairs to

clean her room, she does just as good of a job, but she does it in a better time

frame.

And when we told what she would be doing with the school, we told her she

is doing community service, giving back to the community and helping others.

She understands that very well, and I heard the teacher liked that idea so well,

she now has her whole class understanding that, and the church and community

center along the same lines also.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (17, DS) and , (13)

South Carolina

www.gsdss.net

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

" Life is too short for drama & petty things, so kiss slowly, laugh insanely,

love truly and forgive quickly. "

Life Skills

Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what

they think.

We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm

reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state:

Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks).

Nick will learn to run a washing machine.

Nick will learn to run a dryer.

Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths.

Nick will learn to plan a menu.

Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances.

Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm

supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this evening

through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner before the

dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular about my folding

and would probably only let him fold the socks for now anyway.)

Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads

(paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with numbers

in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will learn his

numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their decimal

points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them all.? Then I

wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is still confusing to

him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How

many quarters = dollars, etc.

I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec type

class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick washing the

schools towels and dish cloths.?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Cari

Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies,

Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies)

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HI Sharon

So agree ........ more than once I've had to say " Is it written in Sara's IEP "

Kathy mom to Sara 16

From: Sharon

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:52 AM

; CMancari@...

Subject: Re: Life Skills

I do have to add, twice a month goes with the self contained special ed

class at the high school and cleans a church and a youth center. I asked that

she attend these days. Not that she needs to learn how to clean. She already

knows how to vacuum, mop, dust. (And the teacher was very impressed with her

skill level, not to brag, but my goodness, what did she expect). My goal, and it

is written in 's IEP, is that work on her time management skills. In

other words, learn to complete tasks in a certain time frame, not what we call

" time " at home. And it is working very well, both with the school program,

and it is spilling over into home also. Now when she goes upstairs to clean her

room, she does just as good of a job, but she does it in a better time frame.

And when we told what she would be doing with the school, we told her she

is doing community service, giving back to the community and helping others. She

understands that very well, and I heard the teacher liked that idea so well, she

now has her whole class understanding that, and the church and community center

along the same lines also.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (17, DS) and , (13)

South Carolina

www.gsdss.net

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

" Life is too short for drama & petty things, so kiss slowly, laugh insanely,

love truly and forgive quickly. "

Life Skills

Okay, before I get my knickers in a royal twist someone please tell me what they

think.

We got a 'draft' copy of Nick's new IEP (we meet on the 28th) and when I'm

reviewing it I come across a section of " Life Skills " and goals that state:

Nick will learn to sort laundry (whites/darks).

Nick will learn to run a washing machine.

Nick will learn to run a dryer.

Nick will learn to fold towels and dishcloths.

Nick will learn to plan a menu.

Nick will learn to cook a simple meal using kitchen appliances.

Am I over-reacting for thinking -- this is not Academics this is stuff I'm

supposed to teach at home?? (BTW, Nick ran a load of white clothes this evening

through the washer and the dryer -- we left and went out to dinner before the

dryer was done so, no he didn't fold them, but I'm particular about my folding

and would probably only let him fold the socks for now anyway.)

Also, in the section where they discuss his current levels it reads

(paraphrased) Nick knows most of his numbers but has difficulties with numbers

in the 100s.? Then under goals it states (paraphrased) Nick will learn his

numbers up to 100 including fractions of 1/2 and a 1/4 and their decimal

points.? So, I write 1-100 and ask Nick to name them, he names them all.? Then I

wrote 135, 155, 198 -- yep got all those too.? Now, money is still confusing to

him.? We did play around with how many pennies = nickles, dimes, quarters.? How

many quarters = dollars, etc.

I'll be honest, I have no problem with " Life Skills " taught in a home ec type

class, but have major problems with the thought they might have Nick washing the

schools towels and dish cloths.?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Cari

Mom to Nick, 15 just happens to have Down Syndrome (ADD, OCD tendencies,

Hyperlexia, and Autistic tendencies)

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