Re: Probiotics/Bacillus Subtilis

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On 11/29/98 2:47 PM, jonesin@... said:

>I have since tracked down a supplier of Nature's Biotics:

> Brown-Kinlen P.O. Box 19826

>Asheville, North Carolina 28815

>Email: mary@...

>(828) 298-1022

>(800) 905-8337

>(Please limit calls to 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time,

>Monday through Saturday.)

>

>Nature's Biotics - 90 capsules per bottle.$49.95

>2 bottles for $95.00

>(Wholesale: two for $71.15)

>

>However, I was hoping someone on this list might know of another source

>for Nature's Biotics.

There is another product, made by THE SAME MAN, but a

different company, that is NOT MLM, and is much cheaper.

The man I use for a distributor for things like this will

be placing his order soon (hopefully this week), and my

price should be in the neighborhood of $25/bottle. The

name of the product is 'Primal Defense', and is again,

supposed to be the EXACT SAME THING as 'Natures Biotics',

except it is not marketed through MLM, so doesn't have

any added costs built into it.

If anyone has a problem finding it (I have seen it in one

health food store, but it was about $40/bottle) at a decent

price, let me know, as I am considering becoming a reseller

myself (that will depend on how well I like it once I try

it).

Marcus

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Hi ,

I've been in contact with at Primal Defense. I think that

the ingredients are not the same. He claims that he doesn't think there

is any Bacillus Subtilis in the formula.

Sandy

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>Subject: Re: Probiotics/Bacillus Subtilis

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>From: Marcus <csharp@...>

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>On 11/29/98 2:47 PM, jonesin@... said:

>

>>I have since tracked down a supplier of Nature's Biotics:

>> Brown-Kinlen P.O. Box 19826

>>Asheville, North Carolina 28815

>>Email: mary@...

>>(828) 298-1022

>>(800) 905-8337

>>(Please limit calls to 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time,

>>Monday through Saturday.)

>>

>>Nature's Biotics - 90 capsules per bottle.$49.95

>>2 bottles for $95.00

>>(Wholesale: two for $71.15)

>>

>>However, I was hoping someone on this list might know of another

source

>>for Nature's Biotics.

>

>There is another product, made by THE SAME MAN, but a

>different company, that is NOT MLM, and is much cheaper.

>The man I use for a distributor for things like this will

>be placing his order soon (hopefully this week), and my

>price should be in the neighborhood of $25/bottle. The

>name of the product is 'Primal Defense', and is again,

>supposed to be the EXACT SAME THING as 'Natures Biotics',

>except it is not marketed through MLM, so doesn't have

>any added costs built into it.

>

>If anyone has a problem finding it (I have seen it in one

>health food store, but it was about $40/bottle) at a decent

>price, let me know, as I am considering becoming a reseller

>myself (that will depend on how well I like it once I try

>it).

>

>

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

>

>

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RE: Probiotics

I purchased Vital Biotics, which also sells Nature's Biotics, from PH

Products, 177 Green Bay Rd, P.O. Box 395, Theinsville, WI 53092-0395. (414)

242-5650. I didn't know Vital Biotics was MLM when I bought it. It was

about $26. The owner of the company recommended it over Nature's Biotics,

saying the latter was more likely to " stop one up " . (Perhaps a good thing

to those on Homozon.)

I called the Voyager Group, which makes Vital Biotics, after I received

my bottle. It is probiotics in an SBO base. I spoke to a very enthusiastic

PHD who told me that the SBO's are a combination from American soil, and

contain many organisms that generally flourish together, and support the

growth of the probiotics. (But no subtilis.)

I don't see how to tell the difference between the products except to

try them all.

, please keep us posted on Primal Defense. If you do sell it,

I'd like to try it.

Vilik

At 03:40 PM 11/29/98 -0500, you wrote:

>From: Marcus <csharp@...>

>

>On 11/29/98 2:47 PM, jonesin@... said:

>

>>I have since tracked down a supplier of Nature's Biotics:

>> Brown-Kinlen P.O. Box 19826

>>Asheville, North Carolina 28815

>>Email: mary@...

>>(828) 298-1022

>>(800) 905-8337

>>(Please limit calls to 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time,

>>Monday through Saturday.)

>>

>>Nature's Biotics - 90 capsules per bottle.$49.95

>>2 bottles for $95.00

>>(Wholesale: two for $71.15)

>>

>>However, I was hoping someone on this list might know of another source

>>for Nature's Biotics.

>

>There is another product, made by THE SAME MAN, but a

>different company, that is NOT MLM, and is much cheaper.

>The man I use for a distributor for things like this will

>be placing his order soon (hopefully this week), and my

>price should be in the neighborhood of $25/bottle. The

>name of the product is 'Primal Defense', and is again,

>supposed to be the EXACT SAME THING as 'Natures Biotics',

>except it is not marketed through MLM, so doesn't have

>any added costs built into it.

>

>If anyone has a problem finding it (I have seen it in one

>health food store, but it was about $40/bottle) at a decent

>price, let me know, as I am considering becoming a reseller

>myself (that will depend on how well I like it once I try

>it).

>

>

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

>

>

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& Shaunna wrote:

> I Am specifically looking for information on the use of the Bacillus

> Subtilis. If you did not read this most excellent article I would be

> glad to forward it to you upon request.

Here is a site with the subtilus story - and I believe it is about Earth Flora,

too.

jim

http://users.penn.com/~rarearts/soilbasedorganisims.htm#I

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Marcus wrote:

> There is another product, made by THE SAME MAN, but a

> different company, that is NOT MLM, and is much cheaper.

> The man I use for a distributor for things like this will

> be placing his order soon (hopefully this week), and my

> price should be in the neighborhood of $25/bottle. The

> name of the product is 'Primal Defense', and is again,

> supposed to be the EXACT SAME THING as 'Natures Biotics',

> except it is not marketed through MLM, so doesn't have

> any added costs built into it.

>

> If anyone has a problem finding it (I have seen it in one

> health food store, but it was about $40/bottle) at a decent

> price, let me know, as I am considering becoming a reseller

> myself (that will depend on how well I like it once I try

> it).

>

,

If it has subtilus, I will buy a couple of bottles if they are 90 capsules &

around that price. I am currently paying $50 for 2 oz of powder that lasts me 5

weeks taking a double dose twice a day, so it isn't expensive. But, I am always

willing to try different brands. Count me in if you are doing

something with it.

jim

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& Shaunna wrote:

>

> From: & Shaunna <jonesin@...>

>

> Hi List,

> Recently posted a great article on Probiotics (on his other

> list)describing the Soil Based Organisms developed by ...

>

> However, I was hoping someone on this list might know of another source

> for Nature's Biotics. Are any of you using this product currently or in

> the past that could give me personal information on its effectiveness?

> I Am specifically looking for information on the use of the Bacillus

> Subtilis. If you did not read this most excellent article I would be

> glad to forward it to you upon request.

>

> Thanks to all you hard working researchers,

>

Covenant products is a well known source for Enzyme & Probiotic

products

also. They're at

http://www.covenantproducts.org/html/probiotic_formula.htm

Ewing mailto:cgenius@...

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Hi ,

Mea Culpa for not doing this myself. My husband was helping me and did

a search on Alta Vista for Primal Defense and came up with a site about

Primal Defense. He thought they were the " head honchos " . Upon

verifying this myself, it seems that they are distributors of various

products. . In any case, I emailed them asking about ingredients,

especially bacillus subtilis. The ingredients given are those listed on

the website, but no bacillus subtilis. I emailed back again and

specified my request. He got back to me saying that he doesn't think

there is any in the formula.

Sorry for the confusion

Sandy

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>Subject: Re: Probiotics/Bacillus Subtilis

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>On 11/30/98 12:02 AM, details51@... said:

>

>>Hi ,

>>

>>I've been in contact with at Primal Defense. I think that

>>the ingredients are not the same. He claims that he doesn't think

there

>>is any Bacillus Subtilis in the formula.

>>

>>Sandy

>

>Who is , and what is the contact number you have?

>

>

>

>

> Marcus

>

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Hi --

You wrote:

> There is another product, made by THE SAME MAN, but a

> different company, that is NOT MLM, and is much cheaper.

> The man I use for a distributor for things like this will

> be placing his order soon (hopefully this week), and my

> price should be in the neighborhood of $25/bottle. The

> name of the product is 'Primal Defense', and is again,

> supposed to be the EXACT SAME THING as 'Natures Biotics',

> except it is not marketed through MLM, so doesn't have

> any added costs built into it.

>

> If anyone has a problem finding it (I have seen it in one

> health food store, but it was about $40/bottle) at a decent

> price, let me know, as I am considering becoming a reseller

> myself (that will depend on how well I like it once I try

> it).

Y E S -- I am DEFINITELY interested in trying this product, and would very much

appreciate

purchasing a bottle through you connection.

Please let me know how this evolves.

Thanks - and kindest regards

- Ken

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On 11/30/98 12:02 AM, details51@... said:

>Hi ,

>

>I've been in contact with at Primal Defense. I think that

>the ingredients are not the same. He claims that he doesn't think there

>is any Bacillus Subtilis in the formula.

>

>Sandy

Who is , and what is the contact number you have?

Marcus

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On 11/29/98 6:40 PM, jim@... said:

>,

>If it has subtilus, I will buy a couple of bottles if they are 90 capsules

> & around that price. I am currently paying $50 for 2 oz of powder that

>lasts me 5 weeks taking a double dose twice a day, so it isn't expensive.

>But, I am always willing to try different brands. Count me in if you are

>doing

>something with it.

OK, I just talked (FINALLY) to the head guy at Primal Defense.

They do NOT have anything IN WRITING about what is in their

product, but he said it is DEFINITELY the same product as

'Natures Biotics', DOES contain bacillus subtilus and the other

organisms and is made by the same guy, but is simply offered

as non-MLM, but with the addition of some of the products

offered by The Green Kamut Corp, which says a lot as far as

I'm concerned about their taste for quality.

They only sell to health 'professionals', or health food

stores/distributors, but the case price (12 bottles) is

$245 (includes shipping), which comes out to $20/bottle.

You can also order one bottle for @ $22, but again, you must

be 'in the business'. My friend will order it for me, but

I would rather not buy an entire case, so I'll probably start

with a bottle or two, since it's not all that much more.

Each bottle contains 150 500mg caps.

Marcus