Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Dana wrote: >>>And my husband, who is black and can't get lice<<< Why can't he get lice? I have 2 kids from Ethiopia, one has such tightly coiled hair it's like ultra plush carpet, and both came to us loaded w/lice. Hanah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Hi Hana, What I've been told is that it has to do with the shape of the hair follicle and the kind of lice. There are different kinds of lice for different parts of the world and the kind of hair found in different places. At one point people thought it had to do with the products black people use in their hair and so you'd see all these little white kids wearing afro-sheen, which didn't work but sure smells good. Anyway, a public health nurse told me about the different kinds of lice for different parts of the world, which I guess makes sense and also explains why when half the school gets lice none of the black children get it (here anyway). Dana moosehead@... wrote: > From: moosehead@... > > Dana wrote: > >>>And my husband, who is black and can't get lice<<< > > Why can't he get lice? I have 2 kids from Ethiopia, one has such tightly coiled hair it's like ultra plush carpet, and both came to us loaded w/lice. > Hanah > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Have you visited our new web site? > > Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The is sponsored by the OCSDA. You may visit their web site at http://www.ocdhelp.org/ and view schedules for chatroom support at http://www.ocdhelp.org/chat.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 1999 Report Share Posted April 5, 1999 Hi: My older son is not black but has very tightly curled hair, the nicknames of " Afropuff " and " carpethead " (from school mates), and has had nits and lice a few times here in Hawai`i. I think lice are an equal opportunity infestation. Aloha, Kathy kathyh@... At 05:37 AM 4/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >From: moosehead@... > >Dana wrote: >>>>And my husband, who is black and can't get lice<<< > >Why can't he get lice? I have 2 kids from Ethiopia, one has such tightly coiled hair it's like ultra plush carpet, and both came to us loaded w/lice. >Hanah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 My sister also used baby oil....lots of it..after washing her daughter's hair thouroghly...and then left a plastic bag tied on her head for hours! Got them all. Ann with , and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 The residential school where I work has this problem with about 2% (so they say) of the children - mostly girls. Mayonnaise is a great treatment to loosen nits AFTER treating with whatever substance is allowed. Be very careful with LIDANE - has caused seizures ! As for Elie - i keep his hair as short as possible and still not looking like a convict. He also would NEVER put anyone elses hat (or his own) on his head. The other big factor IMHO is that there is no coat closet, cloak room, etc in his school. All coats and book bags are kept in a locker which is sometimes shared with one other child. Cuts down proximity problems. just a cultural note: When I lived in Israel, they advertised as a health note how to treat for headlice with very graphic videos. Then there was head lice day - not quite a national holiday, but one day that all people were asked to check heads and treat. It still was a problem but not a major one. BTW, my beloeved daughter, now 29, received her worse infestation while a patient at then then beautiful and new Children's Hospital in DC. I had to cut 14 inches of hair to finally get rid of the little pests! Sara >>> Tricphil@... - 03/15/0 3:26 AM >>> From: Tricphil@... Our boys are 25 miles away and after one trip to fetch a " vomitting feverish child " who was eating lunch when we arrived,I have lied and said Phil is out with the van and I will check the state of the child later,Nicky went to the same school ,school is the same town as our nearest a & e once they sent Nicky home with a friend of mine who just happened to be at school,teacher phoned and said Nicky was unwell and when she got home the accident slip said she had fallen,she actually had concussion and we went straif=ght back to A & e.My school seems comparatively sensible and understands that active kids get cuts and bruises and any injury happening in school however minor,kids come home with accident form and it goes into the schools accident book.Just a query do schools in America not have the permanent nit problem we have here? nits,head lice, Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! 1/2120/5/_/691668/_/953108782/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 2 years ago my SIL had a major lice infestation in her house. She had 2 girls at the time, and the blonde had such bad head lice that you could see the bugs crawling. I had never seen that before. I helped her, repeatedly to de-louse the house. ALl the stuffed animals were in bags for months, never even got out of them. I know we cleaned well, properly, just he little buggers would not die. My SIL was pregnant at the time, so she didnt' want to use the shampoo too many times for fear of damage to her baby. I went over one day, had the RID or what ever over the counter stuff was there, and shampood their hair well, according to package directions. Then sat with the nit comb. I pulled live, looking better than ever, bugs out of their hair. The shampoo didn't even touch it. She had been in touch with the doc about this, and they said to get the over the counter stuff and it would kill them. BULL. I called the doc back, and told them this stuff is making the lice thrive! Finally, they prescribed Quell lotion, which is what they had given to us way back when we had them at our house. You put the quell lotion on freshly shampood hair, put a shower cap on, and in the morning you wash the lotion off. No problem after that. I dont' know if this is not " good " for you, but there comes a time when you just need to get them out of your house. When you have a large family, it can take 2-3 days to get all the laundry done. SOmething else needs to be discovered for this. I keep my boys hair " buzzed " and we dont' have a problem now. (Matt is the only one in school now, all the rest are homeschooled. Drastically cuts down on exposure!) S ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Kwell is Lidane. Too much exposure - as in repeated use can cause seizures. There have been cases reported that even one use has caused sizures. Living overseas where chemical treatments are not the first thing tried, I learned about oil (olive, baby), and mayonnaise for nit loosening. Oil used very heavily and then bagging the head smothers the lice. Also a hair dryer when all else is done will help. Now I am talking about the hairdryer with a hood - not the hand held kind. Head Lice have a very discrete temperature that they like to live in - if it gets hot, they cannot feed and die. Clothes dryers will take care of most clothing and stuffed animals - one hour on high temperature. I also think that consideration might be given (very sad) to keeping girls hair shorter - especially if the hair is very curly!! >>> stolzfamily@... - 03/15/0 11:09 AM >>> From: J Stolz <stolzfamily@...> 2 years ago my SIL had a major lice infestation in her house. She had 2 girls at the time, and the blonde had such bad head lice that you could see the bugs crawling. I had never seen that before. I helped her, repeatedly to de-louse the house. ALl the stuffed animals were in bags for months, never even got out of them. I know we cleaned well, properly, just he little buggers would not die. My SIL was pregnant at the time, so she didnt' want to use the shampoo too many times for fear of damage to her baby. I went over one day, had the RID or what ever over the counter stuff was there, and shampood their hair well, according to package directions. Then sat with the nit comb. I pulled live, looking better than ever, bugs out of their hair. The shampoo didn't even touch it. She had been in touch with the doc about this, and they said to get the over the counter stuff and it would kill them. BULL. I called the doc back, and told them this stuff is making the lice thrive! Finally, they prescribed Quell lotion, which is what they had given to us way back when we had them at our house. You put the quell lotion on freshly shampood hair, put a shower cap on, and in the morning you wash the lotion off. No problem after that. I dont' know if this is not " good " for you, but there comes a time when you just need to get them out of your house. When you have a large family, it can take 2-3 days to get all the laundry done. SOmething else needs to be discovered for this. I keep my boys hair " buzzed " and we dont' have a problem now. (Matt is the only one in school now, all the rest are homeschooled. Drastically cuts down on exposure!) S ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! 1/937/5/_/691668/_/953137136/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Sara, THis is great to know. I will, with your permission, forward these suggestions to my SIL for future reference. Thanks a lot. S ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Be my guest. Sara >>> stolzfamily@... - 03/15/0 12:48 PM >>> From: J Stolz <stolzfamily@...> Sara, THis is great to know. I will, with your permission, forward these suggestions to my SIL for future reference. Thanks a lot. S ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! 1/2122/5/_/691668/_/953143064/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Years ago we lived near a large family who all had lice. There was an " incident " with the kids so Garry went to talk to the Dad. garry said the bugs were flying 3 feet out from his head, this was the day of the afro . We called the health depart.. All clothing and bedding had to be thrown out, and the kids and house had to pass " inspection " before anyone could go back in. Health department waited 2 weeks before letting the kids back in school to be sure they were gone. Never forgot that. We felt bad but something had to be done.. & Garry, parents of (9), (8), JJ (6), (5), and Esther (3). All adopted & with Down Syndrome. ---------- >From: Tricphil@... >onelist >Subject: lice >Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2000, 11:09 AM > >From: Tricphil@... > >We are currently advised to soak the hair in conditioner then nit comb,there >is a child in school who is never treated by the parents and because of home >circumstances school are loath to tell them not to send him in until they >have treated, the school staff delouse him on the sly,after every school hol >we will get a letter about nits and for some reason they all leap on me,we >are also told that toys ,coat collars etc. are not a source of infestation >nor bedding and thank God we have never had scabies , anyone want to hear >about threadworms? Pat I just started scratching. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% >Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! >1/936/5/_/691668/_/953147414/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Thanks, S On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:01:37 -0500 MIDVALE <Midvale@...> writes: > From: MIDVALE <Midvale@...> > > Be my guest. > > Sara > > >>> stolzfamily@... - 03/15/0 12:48 PM >>> > From: J Stolz <stolzfamily@...> > > Sara, > THis is great to know. I will, with your permission, forward these > suggestions to my SIL for future reference. > Thanks a lot. > S > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > 1/2122/5/_/691668/_/953143064/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2000 Report Share Posted September 25, 2000 Quassia chips are excellent for lice killing - one of my suppliers makes a Quassia and Teatree shampoo which works very well, but personally I treat my family's hair with a decoction of Quassia chips when necessary. Simply bring about 50g of Quassia chips to the boil in a small pan with about 3 pints of water, simmer for 10 or 15 minutes, allow to cool and apply to the scalp using a kid's squeezy bath toy. Leave in overnight, rinse in morning, repeat after 7 days. I have never known it to fail despite being used by countless friends and friends of friends, it is cheap, easy and much less messy than using essential oils. The only downside is that it tastes foul (it is the same stuff used to paint on nails to deter nailbiting) and you have to be careful to keep it out of your mouth and to wash hands carefully afterwards. However, adding Teatree or Eucalyptus eo to conditioners will help to deter the headlice arriving in the first place. Personally, I also nitcomb my kids' hair once a week. Robyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2003 Report Share Posted July 14, 2003 In a message dated 7/14/03 10:47:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dayton@... writes: > " Aren't you going to change your gloves? " > " You could be putting other peoples lice in my hair because you > don't know they are on the gloves. " " I think you should change > your gloves after every person or take them off and wash your hands > after every person. " ROFLOL!!!!!!!!! I said - what did the nurse say? > He said " She didn't say anything. She just looked at me and then she > skipped me and went to the next kid. " > That's my boy. hahahahaha > Dawn > Smarty! I think he's right, too! Roxanna ò¿ò It makes sense to go up the molehill dressed for the mountain Nan, the Wiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2003 Report Share Posted July 14, 2003 Don't panic. Last year in Kindergarten my son's class had lice three times. THREE TIMES!!! (from the same kid) My son has a very thick head of hair and he never caught it. We were lucky but I don't think they just spread like wildfire. This will amuse you - the school nurse had on a pair of gloves and had all the kids in a line and was checking their head for lice. So Bradley was toward the end of the line and when she got to him he said " Aren't you going to change your gloves? " " You could be putting other peoples lice in my hair because you don't know they are on the gloves. " " I think you should change your gloves after every person or take them off and wash your hands after every person. " ROFLOL!!!!!!!!! I said - what did the nurse say? He said " She didn't say anything. She just looked at me and then she skipped me and went to the next kid. " That's my boy. hahahahaha Dawn <jnvicbrown@...> wrote: Well, I have never been a moaner/complainer on any of the lists I have belonged to ....this group seems to have caught me at a bad time in our lives, sorry. Lane went to a b-day party yesterday of a girl she does not know real well. They took a sternwheeler to a historical island where they had a treasure hunt and rode in horse drawn carriages,etc. Lane said it was boring....anyway my 18 y/o son who is friends with this girls brother calls me at work just a bit ago and asks if this girls parents have phoned me yet. Well no, and why would they call me? Stella has LICE!!! I could feel my blood pressure going sky high. It has always been a fear of mine because Lane has a beautiful head of very hard to manage hair that hits the waistband on her pants!! I have not been able to confirm if Lane has any nits yet and don't know how long it may take for them to even show up. Worse yet if she does she went on a field trip with the Y-kids camp today clear to the Columbus Zoo so she was in a van with several kids and adults for quite a few hours today. HELP!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2003 Report Share Posted July 14, 2003 <<<<<<<I said - what did the nurse say? > He said " She didn't say anything. She just looked at me and then she > skipped me and went to the next kid. " > That's my boy. hahahahaha> Dawn>>>>>> <<<<<<Smarty! I think he's right, too!Roxanna>>>>> DITO !!! Fania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 Very interesting. I didn't know this. I wonder if it's true. We will have to research it. Dawn , Cleanliness, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with lice. I have heard that there are different species of lice, and that they specialize in different hair types (hair shafts that are round or oval, thick or thin, etc.), so if the child who had lice has hair that is different from your daughter's hair, then your daughter will be unlikely to get lice from that child. in Massachusetts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 How to Treat and Prevent Head Lice By Margaret Chuong-Kim on March 23, 2008 Before you use a conventional lice-treatment shampoo for yourself or your children, consider this: Many lice-treatment shampoos contain ingredients that have been banned as agricultural insecticides and are extremely toxic. For instance, the insecticide lindane, once used to protect crops such as barley, wheat, and corn from pests, is no longer used by farms in Canada, and has been banned in over 50 countries around the world. But it can probably still be found at your local drug store, in bottles of lice shampoo. In 2002, the state of California in the United States banned lindane from being used in pharmaceutical products due to reports that the chemical was causing skin irritations, dizziness, headaches, convulsions, and even death. In Health Canada’s adverse reaction database, lindane is linked to more than three dozen cases dating back to as far as 1971, including two deaths. A 1995 warning issued against lindane by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration states that people "are at risk for serious neurologic adverse events, and even death" when using products containing the pesticide, particularly with repeated treatments. Products containing either pyrethrin or permethrin are often recommended over products containing lindane, but they are also toxic insecticides and can cause major health problems. Head lice are an embarrassing problem to have to deal with. If you find yourself holding a note from your child’s school stating that little ny or little Sally has head lice, please keep in mind that head lice are very common worldwide, are found especially in schools and other institutions, and they do not discriminate - no matter your age, socioeconomic status, ethnicity, or type of hair you have – anyone can get head lice. Having head lice also does not indicate poor hygiene. Whether a head with hair has been freshly shampooed or hasn’t been washed for a month, lice like them all the same. Thus, daily shampooing will not help to prevent head lice. Natural Treatment Options for Head Lice There are a number of natural and inexpensive treatment options if you find your children and family dealing with head lice. While it takes more time and effort to solve the problem naturally than to use chemical ingredients, you can rest assured that staying away from pesticide-containing products will keep your family’s health intact. In order to get rid of head lice, there is a three-part process which you must follow. You must make sure to: Kill the lice. Rid the head of all the eggs (also known as nits). Make sure no lice are left on combs, brushes, towels, etc. Remember to treat every person in your household who has head lice. You may wish to treat everyone in the household as a preventive measure, even if head lice have been detected on only one member. Also consider that one cost-effective and efficient way of getting rid of lice is to shave off the hair. This is unlikely to be a good solution for the majority of people, due to the importance placed on appearance, and can cause a significant amount of emotional distress if done to an unwilling individual. Nonetheless, it is a viable option and some persons may be amenable to it. How to Get Rid of Head Lice Naturally: Do the following on days 1,2,5,9,13,17, and 21: Apply liberal amounts of olive oil to the hair and scalp, making sure all of the hair is covered, from the roots down to the ends of the hair shaft. Make sure you get the areas behind the ears and at the nape of the neck. Once all of the hair is well-coated, put on a shower cap. You may wish to wrap a towel around the shower cap because things will get messy. Leave on overnight (it may be helpful to cover the pillow with a couple of towels). The purpose of this is to suffocate the lice with the oil, as they’ve got a number of small openings on their bodies which they breathe through. In the morning, find a spot where a mess won’t matter, perhaps even outdoors. You may need a lot of towels. Place a towel over the shoulders. Comb out the hair to remove as much of the oil as you can, wiping the comb often on a vinegar-soaked towel. This process will remove both lice and some nits. You may wish to use a metal nit comb to help remove as many nits as possible. Wash out the olive oil with regular shampoo. Applying the shampoo before wetting the hair will make washing easier. *Some people use mayonnaise in place of the olive oil, as mayonnaise is easier to apply and will stay in place better than olive oil will. However, compared to olive oil, mayonnaise will be a little more disgusting in the morning and it’s more difficult to wash out of hair. When treating head lice, you will likely see little critters of different sizes and colors. Adult lice are dark brown in color and 2 to 3 millimeters long. Baby lice (or hatchlings) are light brown and 1 to 2 millimeters long. They turn dark red after they feed, from the blood they have ingested. All of this explains why you can find lice that look different from one another. How to Get Rid of Nits (Eggs): This is the most difficult part of getting rid of head lice. The most effective way to remove nits is to pick them off of the hair using your fingernails or a metal nit comb. You need to search very carefully as the eggs can be found anywhere on the head (but they will be attached to a hair) and are difficult to see. Look for something about the size of a grain of salt and grey-white in color. In order to hatch, nits need the scalp’s warmth and moisture, so be sure to search close to the scalp for newly-laid eggs. They need to be 1.5 centimeters from the scalp or closer in order to survive long enough to hatch. Nits found further than 1.5 centimeters from the scalp may be dead, or may just be the remains of an egg that has already hatched. Many people find a metal nit comb effective. Plastic nit combs are also available, but some people report that the metal ones are more effective. Before using the comb, either slather the dry hair with conditioner or soak the hair in vinegar. When using the comb, wipe it regularly on a vinegar-soaked towel. To maximize the probability of finding the eggs, use a magnifying glass in strong light (such as sunlight). Be sure to check the hair close to the scalp, behind the ears, and at the nape of the neck. It takes 7 to 10 days for the eggs to hatch once they are laid. It takes up to 10 days for the hatchlings to mature and start laying their own eggs. In order to get rid of head lice, you need to interrupt their 10-day reproductive cycle; comb regularly to achieve this. How to Eliminate Head Lice from Your Home: On the day you begin treatment to eradicate head lice, be sure to clean hair brushes, combs, bedding, towels, and clothing. It is imperative that these are cleaned on the very first day of treatment. To clean hairbrushes and combs, immerse them in hot water for 10 minutes to kill any lice. You may also wish to use an old toothbrush to help clean grooming implements. Items that can go into a washing machine or dryer, such as bedding, towels, stuffed animals, and clothing, should be washed using hot water or put in the dryer set on high for 20 minutes. Items that cannot go into the washing machine or dryer should be bagged for two weeks. When bagging, the purpose is to suffocate the lice, so make sure the bag is air-tight, with any excess air squeezed out prior to closing. Large furniture pieces such as mattresses, upholstered furniture, rugs, etc. can be carefully vacuumed to pick up hairs that may have living lice or nits attached. How to Prevent Head Lice: What’s good to know is that head lice need to have hair-to-hair contact in order to spread, as they swing from one hair to another. They do not jump, hop, or fly. Nits do not travel from one head to another. In order to catch head lice your child needs to have their hair come in contact with another person’s hair with a live louse on it. There are a number of steps parents can take to help keep their children from catching head lice. Most obvious is that children should avoid sharing hair brushes, combs, hats, pillows, and other things that may collect hairs. Long hair can be tied back, preferably braided or put up. Children can be reminded to avoid head-to-head contact, such as when playing with other children, hugging, working at the computer, etc. If someone in your family does contract head lice, rest assured that head lice do not carry diseases or infections. They are merely a nuisance. Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 My DIL used shampoo with tea tree oil in it while the kids were going to school. They were the only kids in that school that did not get head lice. Prevention is the easiest. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiaaeranch@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 A few clients of mine told me that tea trea oil gets rid of lice like right away and then of course you have to comb out the gnats. Hope this helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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