Germanium

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ellenelle,

I am new to the oxygen therapy world and am very much interested in the

I.V. drip. I have heard a lot of good things about it and I am wondering

where I can get treatment. If you know of any Doctors who practice it

please let me know.

thanks,

hen

>From: ellenelle@...

>Reply-oxyplusonelist

><oxyplusonelist>

>Subject: germanium

>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:07:24 -0500

>

>From: ellenelle@...

>

>I've been reading a bit about germanium lately. It is purported to

>increase

>oxygenation to the blood and tissues. Has anyone used it, either with or

>without other oxygen therapies, and seen any positive results (and at what

>dosage)? Also, if you've tried it and liked it, do you know of any sources

>who sell it for less than the best price I could find, which amounted to

>five dollars for one gram (!).

>

>Thanks,

>Ellen

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> I've been reading a bit about germanium lately. It is purported to increase

> oxygenation to the blood and tissues.

>

Vitamin C is listed as the supplement to take for hypoxia on this site which has

a great search feature for health concerns: http://www.drmorrow.com. It's a

clinical nutrition site. J.

ellenelle@... wrote:

> From: ellenelle@...

>

> I've been reading a bit about germanium lately. It is purported to increase

> oxygenation to the blood and tissues. Has anyone used it, either with or

> without other oxygen therapies, and seen any positive results (and at what

> dosage)? Also, if you've tried it and liked it, do you know of any sources

> who sell it for less than the best price I could find, which amounted to

> five dollars for one gram (!).

>

> Thanks,

> Ellen

>

> ---------------------------

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Henry,

go to http://www.oxytherapy.com and click the link for health

care providers.

jim

Henry fronda wrote:

> From: " Henry fronda " <henfronda@...>

>

> ellenelle,

>

> I am new to the oxygen therapy world and am very much

> interested in the

> I.V. drip. I have heard a lot of good things about it and I am

> wondering

> where I can get treatment. If you know of any Doctors who

> practice it

> please let me know.

>

> thanks,

>

> hen

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[Guest guest]

Most ACAM doctors do this. See www.acam.org for a doctor in your area.

Lana

>From: " Henry fronda " <henfronda@...>

>

>ellenelle,

>

> I am new to the oxygen therapy world and am very much interested in

the

>I.V. drip. I have heard a lot of good things about it and I am

wondering

>where I can get treatment. If you know of any Doctors who practice it

>please let me know.

>

>thanks,

>

>hen

>

>

>>From: ellenelle@...

>>Reply-oxyplusonelist

>><oxyplusonelist>

>>Subject: germanium

>>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:07:24 -0500

>>

>>From: ellenelle@...

>>

>>I've been reading a bit about germanium lately. It is purported to

>>increase

>>oxygenation to the blood and tissues. Has anyone used it, either with

or

>>without other oxygen therapies, and seen any positive results (and at

what

>>dosage)? Also, if you've tried it and liked it, do you know of any

sources

>>who sell it for less than the best price I could find, which amounted

to

>>five dollars for one gram (!).

>>

>>Thanks,

>>Ellen

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

Germanium: stabilizes cell membranes, alleviates RA, alleviates pain,

increases the body's supply of glutathione peroxidase, along with many other

things.

So that may be making you feel better.

JP

> List,

> I am having urinary problems and also a painful hip.

>

> My doctor is on vacation so I am taking the only thing I have on hand,

> which is Germanium sesquioxide...Ge-132. I looked it up on the www

> and it seems to work because it enriches oxygen through out the body.

>

> Both problems seem to be greatly helped. I am not sure if it kills the

> pain or if it is really getting rid of the UTI. Does anyone have any

> knowledge

> on this?

>

> Edith

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Jim,

I bought mine from NATR. The book said it worked on the owner's

bone infection. I've had it for awhile and when this hit me, I took 2

(100 mg each). I was shocked that it worked faster than the drugs

for UTI and the hip pain was gone. But was still afraid since I knew

nothing about it. The brand is Jarrow and the www prices are

comparable to NATR.....$20 for 30, which is cheaper and safer than

drugs. My search on the web says it's great for candida. Now

how many people don't suffer from some form of that.

Edith

In a message dated 07/01/2000 9:42:36 AM Central Daylight Time,

jlambert@... writes:

<< Edith,

Where do you get germanium sesquioxide, and is it expensive? I

have been looking for it for several years. BTW, it is supposed

to be a very good oxygenator.

jim >>

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In a message dated 07/01/2000 11:34:59 AM Central Daylight Time,

jdklein@... writes:

<< thanks for mentioning Jarrow. they have germanium available in powder too.

i have never seen their assay though.

jd >>

_______________________________

jd,

So what is your judgement call on this? I did read the elemental

will kill. Sure don't want to do that.

Edith

[Guest guest]

Edith,

Where do you get germanium sesquioxide, and is it expensive? I

have been looking for it for several years. BTW, it is supposed

to be a very good oxygenator.

jim

ejohns9525@... wrote:

>

> List,

> I am having urinary problems and also a painful hip.

>

> My doctor is on vacation so I am taking the only thing I have on hand,

> which is Germanium sesquioxide...Ge-132. I looked it up on the www

> and it seems to work because it enriches oxygen through out the body.

>

> Both problems seem to be greatly helped. I am not sure if it kills the

> pain or if it is really getting rid of the UTI. Does anyone have any

> knowledge

> on this?

>

> Edith

>

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In a message dated 07/01/2000 1:29:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

jdklein@... writes:

<< I will try to learn more about Jarrow's product.

jd >>

___________

Thanks,

Edith

[Guest guest]

most germanium was pulled from the market several years back. Solaray formerly

had the purest product available, much better than the Japanese sources. The

problem with germanium is purity. Solaray's product was assayed every batch....

i think it was guaranteed to be 99.7%. The purity issue is major as the

contaminants are highly toxic. I can not recall for certain, but perhaps

elemental germanium is toxic. I know it is highly desirable to have the

germanium in sesquioxide form. I believe there was a major issue with

deleterious effects to kidney function with lower quality products. I know that

the germanium supply did not reappear in the health and natural product market

after the '94 DSHEA was passed, even though other nutraceuticals that were

formerly suppressed, reappeared (DHEA etc).

jd

Re: Germanium

Edith,

Where do you get germanium sesquioxide, and is it expensive? I

have been looking for it for several years. BTW, it is supposed

to be a very good oxygenator.

jim

ejohns9525@... wrote:

>

> List,

> I am having urinary problems and also a painful hip.

>

> My doctor is on vacation so I am taking the only thing I have on hand,

> which is Germanium sesquioxide...Ge-132. I looked it up on the www

> and it seems to work because it enriches oxygen through out the body.

>

> Both problems seem to be greatly helped. I am not sure if it kills the

> pain or if it is really getting rid of the UTI. Does anyone have any

> knowledge

> on this?

>

> Edith

>

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thanks for mentioning Jarrow. they have germanium available in powder too. i

have never seen their assay though.

jd

Re: Germanium

Jim,

I bought mine from NATR. The book said it worked on the owner's

bone infection. I've had it for awhile and when this hit me, I took 2

(100 mg each). I was shocked that it worked faster than the drugs

for UTI and the hip pain was gone. But was still afraid since I knew

nothing about it. The brand is Jarrow and the www prices are

comparable to NATR.....$20 for 30, which is cheaper and safer than

drugs. My search on the web says it's great for candida. Now

how many people don't suffer from some form of that.

Edith

In a message dated 07/01/2000 9:42:36 AM Central Daylight Time,

jlambert@... writes:

<< Edith,

Where do you get germanium sesquioxide, and is it expensive? I

have been looking for it for several years. BTW, it is supposed

to be a very good oxygenator.

jim >>

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i was comfortable using Solaray because I knew the assay of every batch. I

believe we also used a rotation schedule with dosing... something like 5 days

on, 2 days off. I can't remember for certain. I know the liability issues must

be pretty intense because almost all of the companies previously distributing it

no longer market it (Solaray, Nature's Plus, etc). I only had a couple of

customers using germanium in recent years, and they had mixed feelings

themselves. I know they would use it and stop when they read an article warning

of the dangers. I know the Japanese published studies indicating it beneficial

for severe pain in cancer patients. I would not rate germanium as absolutely

essential for any case i have encountered. The recent posts on this list

indicates that it may have many other beneficial uses. Bottom line: I would

use it for acute conditions or cycle it. And most important is product purity.

I will try to learn more about Jarrow's product.

jd

Re: Germanium

In a message dated 07/01/2000 11:34:59 AM Central Daylight Time,

jdklein@... writes:

<< thanks for mentioning Jarrow. they have germanium available in powder

too.

i have never seen their assay though.

jd >>

_______________________________

jd,

So what is your judgement call on this? I did read the elemental

will kill. Sure don't want to do that.

Edith

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i had used high dose capsules about 7 years ago along with ester c and b-12

and rest and i recovered..How can I get in touch with that company?

Thanks..barbara

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...> asks:

> to Vince or ?

>

> Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy?

Art,

This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in 1988. Asai's

book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought that it would

have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is commonly used at

the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous solution in a

nebulizer.

I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady in L.A. who

uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally, injections of

B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we plan to do

some testing with it.

Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local health food

store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide

(Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use germanium

dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well aware of this

and strive for high purity.

[Guest guest]

I've been acquainted with germanium for several years. The nutrition

scientist that has been working with my health has had me on it for multiple

health problems. I first began using his non-toxic organic germanium when I had

9 bleeding moles as part of a bigger nutritional regimen. The specialist I saw

locally told me to continue with him because the regimen had surprisedly worked.

Later on my husband had blood poisoning from an advanced fungal infection. He

refused to go to the hospital; instead we talked to the nutrition scientist and

added germanium to what he was taking for the infection, and the blood poisoning

receded.

I've talked with other cancer patients who have used it under the nutrition

scientist's direction, and have been told by them that they experienced reduced

pain, less nausea during chemo, and one special lady I got to know through the

NS, told me that during a few chemo sessions, she noticed she hadn't lost any

hair, although it seems to be the exception.

I understand germanium has the benefits of enriching oxygen, has antioxidant

properties and helps with the immune system. It has something to do with

producing interferon which normalized the immune system. When I was diagnosed

with CFS/Fibromyalgia, I began taking it again, and notice the difference if I

stop it for awhile.

I have a newsletter on cancer from a dr. I've met from the American Physician

Natural Healing Center, and he indicated in there that organic germanium, in

addition to increasing the immune system function, can rejuvenate the natural

killer cells and even kill cancer cells(Experientia 1996).

He also wrote that in the Head and Neck Journal of 1994 that 56 cancer

patients received traditional therapy of chemo or radiation, 78 received

additional oral or IV(Ge-132) germanium 50mg/kg for six months. The result

indicated that this group receiving immunotherapy with germanium were easier to

be cured, had lower relapsing rate, lower metastasis rate, and longer survival

rate. He recommends the germanium, along with the non-toxic form of selenium,

and CO Q10 for those looking at prevention of cancer, as well as those with

cancer.

Between the research I've seen and heard presented, and my own personal

experience, as well as those I've known with cancer who also have been working

with the nutrition scientist, I feel there is merit to non-toxic, organic

germanium. I've seen the effectiveness of the germanium the nutrition scientist

has used, but I cannot speak for the results with other forms. Since I began

taking germanium, the nutrition scientist has revamped it to include a mushroom

blend of known immune helpers, which seems to have increased its effectiveness.

----- Original Message -----

From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...> asks:

> to Vince or ?

>

> Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy?

Art,

This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in 1988. Asai's

book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought that it would

have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is commonly used at

the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous solution in a

nebulizer.

I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady in L.A. who

uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally, injections of

B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we plan to do

some testing with it.

Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local health food

store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide

(Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use germanium

dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well aware of this

and strive for high purity.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for input re: Germanium.

An interesting substance it is indeed. I worked with it when manufacturing

satellite-born energy sensing electronics for NASA. It can react to the

faintest traces of certain energy frequencies from thousands of miles away

and then translate them into a strong eletrical signal.

Art

Re: [ ] Germanium

>

> I've been acquainted with germanium for several years. The nutrition

scientist that has been working with my health has had me on it for multiple

health problems. I first began using his non-toxic organic germanium when I

had 9 bleeding moles as part of a bigger nutritional regimen. The

specialist I saw locally told me to continue with him because the regimen

had surprisedly worked.

> Later on my husband had blood poisoning from an advanced fungal

infection. He refused to go to the hospital; instead we talked to the

nutrition scientist and added germanium to what he was taking for the

infection, and the blood poisoning receded.

> I've talked with other cancer patients who have used it under the

nutrition scientist's direction, and have been told by them that they

experienced reduced pain, less nausea during chemo, and one special lady I

got to know through the NS, told me that during a few chemo sessions, she

noticed she hadn't lost any hair, although it seems to be the exception.

> I understand germanium has the benefits of enriching oxygen, has

antioxidant properties and helps with the immune system. It has something to

do with producing interferon which normalized the immune system. When I was

diagnosed with CFS/Fibromyalgia, I began taking it again, and notice the

difference if I stop it for awhile.

> I have a newsletter on cancer from a dr. I've met from the American

Physician Natural Healing Center, and he indicated in there that organic

germanium, in addition to increasing the immune system function, can

rejuvenate the natural killer cells and even kill cancer cells(Experientia

1996).

>

> He also wrote that in the Head and Neck Journal of 1994 that 56 cancer

patients received traditional therapy of chemo or radiation, 78 received

additional oral or IV(Ge-132) germanium 50mg/kg for six months. The result

indicated that this group receiving immunotherapy with germanium were easier

to be cured, had lower relapsing rate, lower metastasis rate, and longer

survival rate. He recommends the germanium, along with the non-toxic form of

selenium, and CO Q10 for those looking at prevention of cancer, as well as

those with cancer.

> Between the research I've seen and heard presented, and my own personal

experience, as well as those I've known with cancer who also have been

working with the nutrition scientist, I feel there is merit to non-toxic,

organic germanium. I've seen the effectiveness of the germanium the

nutrition scientist has used, but I cannot speak for the results with other

forms. Since I began taking germanium, the nutrition scientist has revamped

it to include a mushroom blend of known immune helpers, which seems to have

increased its effectiveness.

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...> asks:

>

>

> > to Vince or ?

> >

> > Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy?

>

> Art,

> This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in 1988.

Asai's

> book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought that it

would

> have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is commonly used

at

> the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous solution in a

> nebulizer.

> I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady in L.A.

who

> uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally, injections of

> B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we plan to

do

> some testing with it.

> Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local health food

> store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide

> (Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use germanium

> dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well aware of

this

> and strive for high purity.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Art, germanium is amazing. When I was a kid I had a radio with a

germanium diode. It required no batteries nor other power source. You

would simply clip a wire from the one ounce radio to any piece of grounded

metal. Such radios cost virtually nothing. Through the earplug you could

hear all the local AM stations.

Re: [ ] Germanium

>

>

> >

> > I've been acquainted with germanium for several years. The nutrition

> scientist that has been working with my health has had me on it for

multiple

> health problems. I first began using his non-toxic organic germanium when

I

> had 9 bleeding moles as part of a bigger nutritional regimen. The

> specialist I saw locally told me to continue with him because the regimen

> had surprisedly worked.

> > Later on my husband had blood poisoning from an advanced fungal

> infection. He refused to go to the hospital; instead we talked to the

> nutrition scientist and added germanium to what he was taking for the

> infection, and the blood poisoning receded.

> > I've talked with other cancer patients who have used it under the

> nutrition scientist's direction, and have been told by them that they

> experienced reduced pain, less nausea during chemo, and one special lady I

> got to know through the NS, told me that during a few chemo sessions, she

> noticed she hadn't lost any hair, although it seems to be the exception.

> > I understand germanium has the benefits of enriching oxygen, has

> antioxidant properties and helps with the immune system. It has something

to

> do with producing interferon which normalized the immune system. When I

was

> diagnosed with CFS/Fibromyalgia, I began taking it again, and notice the

> difference if I stop it for awhile.

> > I have a newsletter on cancer from a dr. I've met from the American

> Physician Natural Healing Center, and he indicated in there that organic

> germanium, in addition to increasing the immune system function, can

> rejuvenate the natural killer cells and even kill cancer cells(Experientia

> 1996).

> >

> > He also wrote that in the Head and Neck Journal of 1994 that 56

cancer

> patients received traditional therapy of chemo or radiation, 78 received

> additional oral or IV(Ge-132) germanium 50mg/kg for six months. The

result

> indicated that this group receiving immunotherapy with germanium were

easier

> to be cured, had lower relapsing rate, lower metastasis rate, and longer

> survival rate. He recommends the germanium, along with the non-toxic form

of

> selenium, and CO Q10 for those looking at prevention of cancer, as well as

> those with cancer.

> > Between the research I've seen and heard presented, and my own

personal

> experience, as well as those I've known with cancer who also have been

> working with the nutrition scientist, I feel there is merit to non-toxic,

> organic germanium. I've seen the effectiveness of the germanium the

> nutrition scientist has used, but I cannot speak for the results with

other

> forms. Since I began taking germanium, the nutrition scientist has

revamped

> it to include a mushroom blend of known immune helpers, which seems to

have

> increased its effectiveness.

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...> asks:

> >

> >

> > > to Vince or ?

> > >

> > > Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy?

> >

> > Art,

> > This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in 1988.

> Asai's

> > book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought that it

> would

> > have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is commonly used

> at

> > the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous solution in

a

> > nebulizer.

> > I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady in

L.A.

> who

> > uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally, injections

of

> > B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we plan to

> do

> > some testing with it.

> > Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local health

food

> > store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide

> > (Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use

germanium

> > dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well aware of

> this

> > and strive for high purity.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Art,

That IS interesting.

Hulda in her " Cure For All Advanced Cancers " book, page 166,

recommends taking it in the form of hydrangea root.

In light of what you say about frequencies...I take it while I am

zapping...hmmmmmm??!!

> Thanks for input re: Germanium.

>

> An interesting substance it is indeed. I worked with it when

manufacturing

> satellite-born energy sensing electronics for NASA. It can react to

the

> faintest traces of certain energy frequencies from thousands of

miles away

> and then translate them into a strong eletrical signal.

>

> Art

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: [ ] Germanium

>

>

> >

> > I've been acquainted with germanium for several years. The

nutrition

> scientist that has been working with my health has had me on it for

multiple

> health problems. I first began using his non-toxic organic

germanium when I

> had 9 bleeding moles as part of a bigger nutritional regimen. The

> specialist I saw locally told me to continue with him because the

regimen

> had surprisedly worked.

> > Later on my husband had blood poisoning from an advanced fungal

> infection. He refused to go to the hospital; instead we talked to

the

> nutrition scientist and added germanium to what he was taking for

the

> infection, and the blood poisoning receded.

> > I've talked with other cancer patients who have used it under

the

> nutrition scientist's direction, and have been told by them that

they

> experienced reduced pain, less nausea during chemo, and one special

lady I

> got to know through the NS, told me that during a few chemo

sessions, she

> noticed she hadn't lost any hair, although it seems to be the

exception.

> > I understand germanium has the benefits of enriching oxygen, has

> antioxidant properties and helps with the immune system. It has

something to

> do with producing interferon which normalized the immune system.

When I was

> diagnosed with CFS/Fibromyalgia, I began taking it again, and

notice the

> difference if I stop it for awhile.

> > I have a newsletter on cancer from a dr. I've met from the

American

> Physician Natural Healing Center, and he indicated in there that

organic

> germanium, in addition to increasing the immune system function, can

> rejuvenate the natural killer cells and even kill cancer cells

(Experientia

> 1996).

> >

> > He also wrote that in the Head and Neck Journal of 1994 that

56 cancer

> patients received traditional therapy of chemo or radiation, 78

received

> additional oral or IV(Ge-132) germanium 50mg/kg for six months.

The result

> indicated that this group receiving immunotherapy with germanium

were easier

> to be cured, had lower relapsing rate, lower metastasis rate, and

longer

> survival rate. He recommends the germanium, along with the non-

toxic form of

> selenium, and CO Q10 for those looking at prevention of cancer, as

well as

> those with cancer.

> > Between the research I've seen and heard presented, and my own

personal

> experience, as well as those I've known with cancer who also have

been

> working with the nutrition scientist, I feel there is merit to non-

toxic,

> organic germanium. I've seen the effectiveness of the germanium the

> nutrition scientist has used, but I cannot speak for the results

with other

> forms. Since I began taking germanium, the nutrition scientist has

revamped

> it to include a mushroom blend of known immune helpers, which seems

to have

> increased its effectiveness.

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@p...> asks:

> >

> >

> > > to Vince or ?

> > >

> > > Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy?

> >

> > Art,

> > This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in

1988.

> Asai's

> > book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought

that it

> would

> > have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is

commonly used

> at

> > the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous

solution in a

> > nebulizer.

> > I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady

in L.A.

> who

> > uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally,

injections of

> > B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we

plan to

> do

> > some testing with it.

> > Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local

health food

> > store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium

sesquioxide

> > (Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use

germanium

> > dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well

aware of

> this

> > and strive for high purity.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone!

Can someone please tell me what Germanium is? ...I thought you all

were discussing an essential oil, but now I'm starting to wonder.

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 12

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:05:06 -0800

From: " VGammill " <ygammil1@...>

Subject: Re: Germanium

Yes, Art, germanium is amazing. When I was a kid I had a radio with a

germanium diode. It required no batteries nor other power source.

You would simply clip a wire from the one ounce radio to any piece of

grounded metal. Such radios cost virtually nothing. Through the

earplug you could hear all the local AM stations.

[Guest guest]

Hi Trudy -

Germanium is a metal, frequently found in nature associated with zinc and

copper ores. It has unusual, highly sensitive electrical properties. It

might even be called the " psychic " element. :-)

(kidding of course!)

Various people have pointed out the ground and water supply near the Lourdes

shrine in southwest France have it in unusually high concentrations.

- Art

Re: Germanium

>

> Yes, Art, germanium is amazing. When I was a kid I had a radio with a

> germanium diode. It required no batteries nor other power source.

> You would simply clip a wire from the one ounce radio to any piece of

> grounded metal. Such radios cost virtually nothing. Through the

> earplug you could hear all the local AM stations.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Germanium is an metallic element in the Periodic Table with an atomic

number of 32, Symboe = Ge, Atomic Weight = 72.59. Its existance was

predicted by the Russian Scientist Mendeleev beore it was actually

discovered in Germany -- hence the name GERMANium. For more info see:

<http://pearl1.lanl.gov/periodic/elements/32.html>.

>Hi everyone!

>

>Can someone please tell me what Germanium is? ...I thought you all

>were discussing an essential oil, but now I'm starting to wonder.

>

>Kind regards,

>Trudy

>

--

--

Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

It has recently been discovered

that research causes cancer in rats.

[Guest guest]

Germanium sesquioxide is what is used internally. It is a white powder.

I bought 2 kilos of it from China. It is not yet being used at the

clinic. It is proposed to try using a nebulizer with the germanium for

inhalation in lung cancer cases. The small amounts you get at a health

food store are very expensive and not enough. In Dr. Asahi's book they

often used 500 mg.

Loren Parks

" A. C. Brown " wrote:

> Hi Trudy -

>

> Germanium is a metal, frequently found in nature associated with zinc

> and

> copper ores. It has unusual, highly sensitive electrical properties.

> It

> might even be called the " psychic " element. :-)

> (kidding of course!)

>

> Various people have pointed out the ground and water supply near the

> Lourdes

> shrine in southwest France have it in unusually high concentrations.

>

> - Art

>

>

>

> Re: Germanium

> >

> > Yes, Art, germanium is amazing. When I was a kid I had a radio with

> a

> > germanium diode. It required no batteries nor other power source.

> > You would simply clip a wire from the one ounce radio to any piece

> of

> > grounded metal. Such radios cost virtually nothing. Through the

> > earplug you could hear all the local AM stations.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone!

Thanks everyone for explaining GERMANium. ...here you guys are

talking Periodic Tables and I'm thinking flowers! ;-) LOL

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 13

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:15:47 -0700

From: Neil Jensen <neil@...>

Subject: Re: Germanium

Germanium is an metallic element in the Periodic Table with an atomic

number of 32, Symboe = Ge, Atomic Weight = 72.59. Its existance was

predicted by the Russian Scientist Mendeleev beore it was actually

discovered in Germany -- hence the name GERMANium. For more info see:

<http://pearl1.lanl.gov/periodic/elements/32.html>.

[Guest guest]

Well Trudy, we are like the blind men in an ancient tale who were

trying to describe an elephant. One says " It is like a little rope " ,

While another says " No, it's like a large tree trunk. Another

disagrees saying " it's like a huge leather flap, and yet another says

" You are all wrong! It's like a big thick hose. " An argument may

ensue and perhaps even a War over the nature of elephants. Others may

realize that each is describing the elephant from a particular angle,

a particular viewpoint, and by comparing notes they may acquire an

accurate picture of the true nature of an elephant.

Several different people described the " elephant " called " Germanium "

from a different angle. Each of us, including yourself who described

it as a " flower " , were right from our own particular point of view.

I see this group as a means to describe the elephant called " Cancer " ,

and its possible cure, from as many different angles as possible.

Each of us may thereby acquire a much more accurate view of the beast

than someone trying to describe it from a single viewpoint or a

single dogma.

>Hi everyone!

>

>Thanks everyone for explaining GERMANium. ...here you guys are

>talking Periodic Tables and I'm thinking flowers! ;-) LOL

>

>Kind regards,

>Trudy

>

--

--

Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" Obtuse Anger is that which is greater than Right Anger. "

-- Carroll

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/7/2004 1:13:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Hestia@... writes:

If it's in garlic, why not just eat garlic? Besides, it tastes

better than a supplement.

Sounds good to me. One of the things I noticed when I became detoxified all

those years ago was that I really liked garlic and still eat it a lot.