Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 ellenelle, I am new to the oxygen therapy world and am very much interested in the I.V. drip. I have heard a lot of good things about it and I am wondering where I can get treatment. If you know of any Doctors who practice it please let me know. thanks, hen >From: ellenelle@... >Reply-oxyplusonelist ><oxyplusonelist> >Subject: germanium >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:07:24 -0500 > >From: ellenelle@... > >I've been reading a bit about germanium lately. It is purported to >increase >oxygenation to the blood and tissues. Has anyone used it, either with or >without other oxygen therapies, and seen any positive results (and at what >dosage)? Also, if you've tried it and liked it, do you know of any sources >who sell it for less than the best price I could find, which amounted to >five dollars for one gram (!). > >Thanks, >Ellen > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2000 Report Share Posted January 13, 2000 > I've been reading a bit about germanium lately. It is purported to increase > oxygenation to the blood and tissues. > Vitamin C is listed as the supplement to take for hypoxia on this site which has a great search feature for health concerns: http://www.drmorrow.com. It's a clinical nutrition site. J. ellenelle@... wrote: > From: ellenelle@... > > I've been reading a bit about germanium lately. It is purported to increase > oxygenation to the blood and tissues. Has anyone used it, either with or > without other oxygen therapies, and seen any positive results (and at what > dosage)? Also, if you've tried it and liked it, do you know of any sources > who sell it for less than the best price I could find, which amounted to > five dollars for one gram (!). > > Thanks, > Ellen > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2000 Report Share Posted January 13, 2000 Henry, go to http://www.oxytherapy.com and click the link for health care providers. jim Henry fronda wrote: > From: " Henry fronda " <henfronda@...> > > ellenelle, > > I am new to the oxygen therapy world and am very much > interested in the > I.V. drip. I have heard a lot of good things about it and I am > wondering > where I can get treatment. If you know of any Doctors who > practice it > please let me know. > > thanks, > > hen -- jim@... ICQ:16531148 http://www.doorway.to/madscience http://www.doorway.to/poetry Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with catsup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2000 Report Share Posted January 13, 2000 Most ACAM doctors do this. See www.acam.org for a doctor in your area. Lana >From: " Henry fronda " <henfronda@...> > >ellenelle, > > I am new to the oxygen therapy world and am very much interested in the >I.V. drip. I have heard a lot of good things about it and I am wondering >where I can get treatment. If you know of any Doctors who practice it >please let me know. > >thanks, > >hen > > >>From: ellenelle@... >>Reply-oxyplusonelist >><oxyplusonelist> >>Subject: germanium >>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:07:24 -0500 >> >>From: ellenelle@... >> >>I've been reading a bit about germanium lately. It is purported to >>increase >>oxygenation to the blood and tissues. Has anyone used it, either with or >>without other oxygen therapies, and seen any positive results (and at what >>dosage)? Also, if you've tried it and liked it, do you know of any sources >>who sell it for less than the best price I could find, which amounted to >>five dollars for one gram (!). >> >>Thanks, >>Ellen >> >> >> >>--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- >> >>Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! >>Sign up for eLerts at: >><a href= " http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 " >Click Here</a> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >> >>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and >>other alternative self- help subjects. >> >>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! >> >>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are >>for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing >>information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at >>your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the >>ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list >>you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any >>ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are >>a researcher or health care provider. >> >>You can subscribe/unsubscribe via e-mail by sending AN e-mail to the >>following address >>DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE >> oxyplus-subscribeonelist - subscribe to a list. >> oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist - unsubscribe from a list. >> oxyplus-digestonelist - switch your subscription to digest mode. >> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Want to send money instantly to anyone, anywhere, anytime? >You can today at X.com - and we'll give you $20 to try it. Sign >up today at X.com. It's quick, free, & there's no obligation. ><a href= " http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/xcom " >Click Here</a> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can subscribe/unsubscribe via e-mail by sending AN e-mail to the following address >DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE > oxyplus-subscribeonelist - subscribe to a list. > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist - unsubscribe from a list. > oxyplus-digestonelist - switch your subscription to digest mode. > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2000 Report Share Posted June 30, 2000 Germanium: stabilizes cell membranes, alleviates RA, alleviates pain, increases the body's supply of glutathione peroxidase, along with many other things. So that may be making you feel better. JP > List, > I am having urinary problems and also a painful hip. > > My doctor is on vacation so I am taking the only thing I have on hand, > which is Germanium sesquioxide...Ge-132. I looked it up on the www > and it seems to work because it enriches oxygen through out the body. > > Both problems seem to be greatly helped. I am not sure if it kills the > pain or if it is really getting rid of the UTI. Does anyone have any > knowledge > on this? > > Edith > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Need a credit card? > Instant Approval and 0% intro APR with Aria! > 1/6034/6/_/507288/_/962385645/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2000 Report Share Posted July 1, 2000 Jim, I bought mine from NATR. The book said it worked on the owner's bone infection. I've had it for awhile and when this hit me, I took 2 (100 mg each). I was shocked that it worked faster than the drugs for UTI and the hip pain was gone. But was still afraid since I knew nothing about it. The brand is Jarrow and the www prices are comparable to NATR.....$20 for 30, which is cheaper and safer than drugs. My search on the web says it's great for candida. Now how many people don't suffer from some form of that. Edith In a message dated 07/01/2000 9:42:36 AM Central Daylight Time, jlambert@... writes: << Edith, Where do you get germanium sesquioxide, and is it expensive? I have been looking for it for several years. BTW, it is supposed to be a very good oxygenator. jim >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2000 Report Share Posted July 1, 2000 In a message dated 07/01/2000 11:34:59 AM Central Daylight Time, jdklein@... writes: << thanks for mentioning Jarrow. they have germanium available in powder too. i have never seen their assay though. jd >> _______________________________ jd, So what is your judgement call on this? I did read the elemental will kill. Sure don't want to do that. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2000 Report Share Posted July 1, 2000 Edith, Where do you get germanium sesquioxide, and is it expensive? I have been looking for it for several years. BTW, it is supposed to be a very good oxygenator. jim ejohns9525@... wrote: > > List, > I am having urinary problems and also a painful hip. > > My doctor is on vacation so I am taking the only thing I have on hand, > which is Germanium sesquioxide...Ge-132. I looked it up on the www > and it seems to work because it enriches oxygen through out the body. > > Both problems seem to be greatly helped. I am not sure if it kills the > pain or if it is really getting rid of the UTI. Does anyone have any > knowledge > on this? > > Edith > -- Rehab is for quitters! -- anony - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2000 Report Share Posted July 1, 2000 In a message dated 07/01/2000 1:29:36 PM Central Daylight Time, jdklein@... writes: << I will try to learn more about Jarrow's product. jd >> ___________ Thanks, Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2000 Report Share Posted July 1, 2000 most germanium was pulled from the market several years back. Solaray formerly had the purest product available, much better than the Japanese sources. The problem with germanium is purity. Solaray's product was assayed every batch.... i think it was guaranteed to be 99.7%. The purity issue is major as the contaminants are highly toxic. I can not recall for certain, but perhaps elemental germanium is toxic. I know it is highly desirable to have the germanium in sesquioxide form. I believe there was a major issue with deleterious effects to kidney function with lower quality products. I know that the germanium supply did not reappear in the health and natural product market after the '94 DSHEA was passed, even though other nutraceuticals that were formerly suppressed, reappeared (DHEA etc). jd Re: Germanium Edith, Where do you get germanium sesquioxide, and is it expensive? I have been looking for it for several years. BTW, it is supposed to be a very good oxygenator. jim ejohns9525@... wrote: > > List, > I am having urinary problems and also a painful hip. > > My doctor is on vacation so I am taking the only thing I have on hand, > which is Germanium sesquioxide...Ge-132. I looked it up on the www > and it seems to work because it enriches oxygen through out the body. > > Both problems seem to be greatly helped. I am not sure if it kills the > pain or if it is really getting rid of the UTI. Does anyone have any > knowledge > on this? > > Edith > -- Rehab is for quitters! -- anony - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2000 Report Share Posted July 1, 2000 thanks for mentioning Jarrow. they have germanium available in powder too. i have never seen their assay though. jd Re: Germanium Jim, I bought mine from NATR. The book said it worked on the owner's bone infection. I've had it for awhile and when this hit me, I took 2 (100 mg each). I was shocked that it worked faster than the drugs for UTI and the hip pain was gone. But was still afraid since I knew nothing about it. The brand is Jarrow and the www prices are comparable to NATR.....$20 for 30, which is cheaper and safer than drugs. My search on the web says it's great for candida. Now how many people don't suffer from some form of that. Edith In a message dated 07/01/2000 9:42:36 AM Central Daylight Time, jlambert@... writes: << Edith, Where do you get germanium sesquioxide, and is it expensive? I have been looking for it for several years. BTW, it is supposed to be a very good oxygenator. jim >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2000 Report Share Posted July 1, 2000 i was comfortable using Solaray because I knew the assay of every batch. I believe we also used a rotation schedule with dosing... something like 5 days on, 2 days off. I can't remember for certain. I know the liability issues must be pretty intense because almost all of the companies previously distributing it no longer market it (Solaray, Nature's Plus, etc). I only had a couple of customers using germanium in recent years, and they had mixed feelings themselves. I know they would use it and stop when they read an article warning of the dangers. I know the Japanese published studies indicating it beneficial for severe pain in cancer patients. I would not rate germanium as absolutely essential for any case i have encountered. The recent posts on this list indicates that it may have many other beneficial uses. Bottom line: I would use it for acute conditions or cycle it. And most important is product purity. I will try to learn more about Jarrow's product. jd Re: Germanium In a message dated 07/01/2000 11:34:59 AM Central Daylight Time, jdklein@... writes: << thanks for mentioning Jarrow. they have germanium available in powder too. i have never seen their assay though. jd >> _______________________________ jd, So what is your judgement call on this? I did read the elemental will kill. Sure don't want to do that. Edith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2000 Report Share Posted September 25, 2000 i had used high dose capsules about 7 years ago along with ester c and b-12 and rest and i recovered..How can I get in touch with that company? Thanks..barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...> asks: > to Vince or ? > > Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy? Art, This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in 1988. Asai's book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought that it would have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is commonly used at the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous solution in a nebulizer. I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady in L.A. who uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally, injections of B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we plan to do some testing with it. Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local health food store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide (Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use germanium dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well aware of this and strive for high purity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 I've been acquainted with germanium for several years. The nutrition scientist that has been working with my health has had me on it for multiple health problems. I first began using his non-toxic organic germanium when I had 9 bleeding moles as part of a bigger nutritional regimen. The specialist I saw locally told me to continue with him because the regimen had surprisedly worked. Later on my husband had blood poisoning from an advanced fungal infection. He refused to go to the hospital; instead we talked to the nutrition scientist and added germanium to what he was taking for the infection, and the blood poisoning receded. I've talked with other cancer patients who have used it under the nutrition scientist's direction, and have been told by them that they experienced reduced pain, less nausea during chemo, and one special lady I got to know through the NS, told me that during a few chemo sessions, she noticed she hadn't lost any hair, although it seems to be the exception. I understand germanium has the benefits of enriching oxygen, has antioxidant properties and helps with the immune system. It has something to do with producing interferon which normalized the immune system. When I was diagnosed with CFS/Fibromyalgia, I began taking it again, and notice the difference if I stop it for awhile. I have a newsletter on cancer from a dr. I've met from the American Physician Natural Healing Center, and he indicated in there that organic germanium, in addition to increasing the immune system function, can rejuvenate the natural killer cells and even kill cancer cells(Experientia 1996). He also wrote that in the Head and Neck Journal of 1994 that 56 cancer patients received traditional therapy of chemo or radiation, 78 received additional oral or IV(Ge-132) germanium 50mg/kg for six months. The result indicated that this group receiving immunotherapy with germanium were easier to be cured, had lower relapsing rate, lower metastasis rate, and longer survival rate. He recommends the germanium, along with the non-toxic form of selenium, and CO Q10 for those looking at prevention of cancer, as well as those with cancer. Between the research I've seen and heard presented, and my own personal experience, as well as those I've known with cancer who also have been working with the nutrition scientist, I feel there is merit to non-toxic, organic germanium. I've seen the effectiveness of the germanium the nutrition scientist has used, but I cannot speak for the results with other forms. Since I began taking germanium, the nutrition scientist has revamped it to include a mushroom blend of known immune helpers, which seems to have increased its effectiveness. ----- Original Message ----- From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...> asks: > to Vince or ? > > Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy? Art, This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in 1988. Asai's book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought that it would have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is commonly used at the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous solution in a nebulizer. I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady in L.A. who uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally, injections of B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we plan to do some testing with it. Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local health food store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide (Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use germanium dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well aware of this and strive for high purity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Thanks for input re: Germanium. An interesting substance it is indeed. I worked with it when manufacturing satellite-born energy sensing electronics for NASA. It can react to the faintest traces of certain energy frequencies from thousands of miles away and then translate them into a strong eletrical signal. Art Re: [ ] Germanium > > I've been acquainted with germanium for several years. The nutrition scientist that has been working with my health has had me on it for multiple health problems. I first began using his non-toxic organic germanium when I had 9 bleeding moles as part of a bigger nutritional regimen. The specialist I saw locally told me to continue with him because the regimen had surprisedly worked. > Later on my husband had blood poisoning from an advanced fungal infection. He refused to go to the hospital; instead we talked to the nutrition scientist and added germanium to what he was taking for the infection, and the blood poisoning receded. > I've talked with other cancer patients who have used it under the nutrition scientist's direction, and have been told by them that they experienced reduced pain, less nausea during chemo, and one special lady I got to know through the NS, told me that during a few chemo sessions, she noticed she hadn't lost any hair, although it seems to be the exception. > I understand germanium has the benefits of enriching oxygen, has antioxidant properties and helps with the immune system. It has something to do with producing interferon which normalized the immune system. When I was diagnosed with CFS/Fibromyalgia, I began taking it again, and notice the difference if I stop it for awhile. > I have a newsletter on cancer from a dr. I've met from the American Physician Natural Healing Center, and he indicated in there that organic germanium, in addition to increasing the immune system function, can rejuvenate the natural killer cells and even kill cancer cells(Experientia 1996). > > He also wrote that in the Head and Neck Journal of 1994 that 56 cancer patients received traditional therapy of chemo or radiation, 78 received additional oral or IV(Ge-132) germanium 50mg/kg for six months. The result indicated that this group receiving immunotherapy with germanium were easier to be cured, had lower relapsing rate, lower metastasis rate, and longer survival rate. He recommends the germanium, along with the non-toxic form of selenium, and CO Q10 for those looking at prevention of cancer, as well as those with cancer. > Between the research I've seen and heard presented, and my own personal experience, as well as those I've known with cancer who also have been working with the nutrition scientist, I feel there is merit to non-toxic, organic germanium. I've seen the effectiveness of the germanium the nutrition scientist has used, but I cannot speak for the results with other forms. Since I began taking germanium, the nutrition scientist has revamped it to include a mushroom blend of known immune helpers, which seems to have increased its effectiveness. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...> asks: > > > > to Vince or ? > > > > Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy? > > Art, > This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in 1988. Asai's > book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought that it would > have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is commonly used at > the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous solution in a > nebulizer. > I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady in L.A. who > uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally, injections of > B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we plan to do > some testing with it. > Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local health food > store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide > (Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use germanium > dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well aware of this > and strive for high purity. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Yes, Art, germanium is amazing. When I was a kid I had a radio with a germanium diode. It required no batteries nor other power source. You would simply clip a wire from the one ounce radio to any piece of grounded metal. Such radios cost virtually nothing. Through the earplug you could hear all the local AM stations. Re: [ ] Germanium > > > > > > I've been acquainted with germanium for several years. The nutrition > scientist that has been working with my health has had me on it for multiple > health problems. I first began using his non-toxic organic germanium when I > had 9 bleeding moles as part of a bigger nutritional regimen. The > specialist I saw locally told me to continue with him because the regimen > had surprisedly worked. > > Later on my husband had blood poisoning from an advanced fungal > infection. He refused to go to the hospital; instead we talked to the > nutrition scientist and added germanium to what he was taking for the > infection, and the blood poisoning receded. > > I've talked with other cancer patients who have used it under the > nutrition scientist's direction, and have been told by them that they > experienced reduced pain, less nausea during chemo, and one special lady I > got to know through the NS, told me that during a few chemo sessions, she > noticed she hadn't lost any hair, although it seems to be the exception. > > I understand germanium has the benefits of enriching oxygen, has > antioxidant properties and helps with the immune system. It has something to > do with producing interferon which normalized the immune system. When I was > diagnosed with CFS/Fibromyalgia, I began taking it again, and notice the > difference if I stop it for awhile. > > I have a newsletter on cancer from a dr. I've met from the American > Physician Natural Healing Center, and he indicated in there that organic > germanium, in addition to increasing the immune system function, can > rejuvenate the natural killer cells and even kill cancer cells(Experientia > 1996). > > > > He also wrote that in the Head and Neck Journal of 1994 that 56 cancer > patients received traditional therapy of chemo or radiation, 78 received > additional oral or IV(Ge-132) germanium 50mg/kg for six months. The result > indicated that this group receiving immunotherapy with germanium were easier > to be cured, had lower relapsing rate, lower metastasis rate, and longer > survival rate. He recommends the germanium, along with the non-toxic form of > selenium, and CO Q10 for those looking at prevention of cancer, as well as > those with cancer. > > Between the research I've seen and heard presented, and my own personal > experience, as well as those I've known with cancer who also have been > working with the nutrition scientist, I feel there is merit to non-toxic, > organic germanium. I've seen the effectiveness of the germanium the > nutrition scientist has used, but I cannot speak for the results with other > forms. Since I began taking germanium, the nutrition scientist has revamped > it to include a mushroom blend of known immune helpers, which seems to have > increased its effectiveness. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...> asks: > > > > > > > to Vince or ? > > > > > > Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy? > > > > Art, > > This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in 1988. > Asai's > > book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought that it > would > > have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is commonly used > at > > the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous solution in a > > nebulizer. > > I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady in L.A. > who > > uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally, injections of > > B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we plan to > do > > some testing with it. > > Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local health food > > store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide > > (Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use germanium > > dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well aware of > this > > and strive for high purity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Hi Art, That IS interesting. Hulda in her " Cure For All Advanced Cancers " book, page 166, recommends taking it in the form of hydrangea root. In light of what you say about frequencies...I take it while I am zapping...hmmmmmm??!! > Thanks for input re: Germanium. > > An interesting substance it is indeed. I worked with it when manufacturing > satellite-born energy sensing electronics for NASA. It can react to the > faintest traces of certain energy frequencies from thousands of miles away > and then translate them into a strong eletrical signal. > > Art > > > > > > Re: [ ] Germanium > > > > > > I've been acquainted with germanium for several years. The nutrition > scientist that has been working with my health has had me on it for multiple > health problems. I first began using his non-toxic organic germanium when I > had 9 bleeding moles as part of a bigger nutritional regimen. The > specialist I saw locally told me to continue with him because the regimen > had surprisedly worked. > > Later on my husband had blood poisoning from an advanced fungal > infection. He refused to go to the hospital; instead we talked to the > nutrition scientist and added germanium to what he was taking for the > infection, and the blood poisoning receded. > > I've talked with other cancer patients who have used it under the > nutrition scientist's direction, and have been told by them that they > experienced reduced pain, less nausea during chemo, and one special lady I > got to know through the NS, told me that during a few chemo sessions, she > noticed she hadn't lost any hair, although it seems to be the exception. > > I understand germanium has the benefits of enriching oxygen, has > antioxidant properties and helps with the immune system. It has something to > do with producing interferon which normalized the immune system. When I was > diagnosed with CFS/Fibromyalgia, I began taking it again, and notice the > difference if I stop it for awhile. > > I have a newsletter on cancer from a dr. I've met from the American > Physician Natural Healing Center, and he indicated in there that organic > germanium, in addition to increasing the immune system function, can > rejuvenate the natural killer cells and even kill cancer cells (Experientia > 1996). > > > > He also wrote that in the Head and Neck Journal of 1994 that 56 cancer > patients received traditional therapy of chemo or radiation, 78 received > additional oral or IV(Ge-132) germanium 50mg/kg for six months. The result > indicated that this group receiving immunotherapy with germanium were easier > to be cured, had lower relapsing rate, lower metastasis rate, and longer > survival rate. He recommends the germanium, along with the non- toxic form of > selenium, and CO Q10 for those looking at prevention of cancer, as well as > those with cancer. > > Between the research I've seen and heard presented, and my own personal > experience, as well as those I've known with cancer who also have been > working with the nutrition scientist, I feel there is merit to non- toxic, > organic germanium. I've seen the effectiveness of the germanium the > nutrition scientist has used, but I cannot speak for the results with other > forms. Since I began taking germanium, the nutrition scientist has revamped > it to include a mushroom blend of known immune helpers, which seems to have > increased its effectiveness. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@p...> asks: > > > > > > > to Vince or ? > > > > > > Any comments about Germanium compounds as therapy? > > > > Art, > > This is unresolved. I manufactured Ge-132 in my lab in 1988. > Asai's > > book was explicit as to major benefits for cancer. I thought that it > would > > have proven itself by now if it had real benefit. It is commonly used > at > > the Mexican cancer clinics for lung cancers -- an aqueous solution in a > > nebulizer. > > I know of only one person who swears by it. This is a lady in L.A. > who > > uses it on dogs with cancer. She gives high doses orally, injections of > > B-12 and gamma globulin. At our clinic in Solana Beach, CA we plan to > do > > some testing with it. > > Unlike so many products that you can pick up at a local health food > > store, I think that most of the bis carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide > > (Ge-132) is quite pure. You do want to be careful not to use germanium > > dioxide as it can trash your kidneys. Manufacturers are well aware of > this > > and strive for high purity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Hi everyone! Can someone please tell me what Germanium is? ...I thought you all were discussing an essential oil, but now I'm starting to wonder. Kind regards, Trudy Message: 12 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:05:06 -0800 From: " VGammill " <ygammil1@...> Subject: Re: Germanium Yes, Art, germanium is amazing. When I was a kid I had a radio with a germanium diode. It required no batteries nor other power source. You would simply clip a wire from the one ounce radio to any piece of grounded metal. Such radios cost virtually nothing. Through the earplug you could hear all the local AM stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Hi Trudy - Germanium is a metal, frequently found in nature associated with zinc and copper ores. It has unusual, highly sensitive electrical properties. It might even be called the " psychic " element. :-) (kidding of course!) Various people have pointed out the ground and water supply near the Lourdes shrine in southwest France have it in unusually high concentrations. - Art Re: Germanium > > Yes, Art, germanium is amazing. When I was a kid I had a radio with a > germanium diode. It required no batteries nor other power source. > You would simply clip a wire from the one ounce radio to any piece of > grounded metal. Such radios cost virtually nothing. Through the > earplug you could hear all the local AM stations. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Germanium is an metallic element in the Periodic Table with an atomic number of 32, Symboe = Ge, Atomic Weight = 72.59. Its existance was predicted by the Russian Scientist Mendeleev beore it was actually discovered in Germany -- hence the name GERMANium. For more info see: <http://pearl1.lanl.gov/periodic/elements/32.html>. >Hi everyone! > >Can someone please tell me what Germanium is? ...I thought you all >were discussing an essential oil, but now I'm starting to wonder. > >Kind regards, >Trudy > -- -- Neil Jensen: neil@... The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ It has recently been discovered that research causes cancer in rats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Germanium sesquioxide is what is used internally. It is a white powder. I bought 2 kilos of it from China. It is not yet being used at the clinic. It is proposed to try using a nebulizer with the germanium for inhalation in lung cancer cases. The small amounts you get at a health food store are very expensive and not enough. In Dr. Asahi's book they often used 500 mg. Loren Parks " A. C. Brown " wrote: > Hi Trudy - > > Germanium is a metal, frequently found in nature associated with zinc > and > copper ores. It has unusual, highly sensitive electrical properties. > It > might even be called the " psychic " element. :-) > (kidding of course!) > > Various people have pointed out the ground and water supply near the > Lourdes > shrine in southwest France have it in unusually high concentrations. > > - Art > > > > Re: Germanium > > > > Yes, Art, germanium is amazing. When I was a kid I had a radio with > a > > germanium diode. It required no batteries nor other power source. > > You would simply clip a wire from the one ounce radio to any piece > of > > grounded metal. Such radios cost virtually nothing. Through the > > earplug you could hear all the local AM stations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 Hi everyone! Thanks everyone for explaining GERMANium. ...here you guys are talking Periodic Tables and I'm thinking flowers! ;-) LOL Kind regards, Trudy Message: 13 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:15:47 -0700 From: Neil Jensen <neil@...> Subject: Re: Germanium Germanium is an metallic element in the Periodic Table with an atomic number of 32, Symboe = Ge, Atomic Weight = 72.59. Its existance was predicted by the Russian Scientist Mendeleev beore it was actually discovered in Germany -- hence the name GERMANium. For more info see: <http://pearl1.lanl.gov/periodic/elements/32.html>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 Well Trudy, we are like the blind men in an ancient tale who were trying to describe an elephant. One says " It is like a little rope " , While another says " No, it's like a large tree trunk. Another disagrees saying " it's like a huge leather flap, and yet another says " You are all wrong! It's like a big thick hose. " An argument may ensue and perhaps even a War over the nature of elephants. Others may realize that each is describing the elephant from a particular angle, a particular viewpoint, and by comparing notes they may acquire an accurate picture of the true nature of an elephant. Several different people described the " elephant " called " Germanium " from a different angle. Each of us, including yourself who described it as a " flower " , were right from our own particular point of view. I see this group as a means to describe the elephant called " Cancer " , and its possible cure, from as many different angles as possible. Each of us may thereby acquire a much more accurate view of the beast than someone trying to describe it from a single viewpoint or a single dogma. >Hi everyone! > >Thanks everyone for explaining GERMANium. ...here you guys are >talking Periodic Tables and I'm thinking flowers! ;-) LOL > >Kind regards, >Trudy > -- -- Neil Jensen: neil@... The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Obtuse Anger is that which is greater than Right Anger. " -- Carroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 In a message dated 10/7/2004 1:13:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Hestia@... writes: If it's in garlic, why not just eat garlic? Besides, it tastes better than a supplement. Sounds good to me. One of the things I noticed when I became detoxified all those years ago was that I really liked garlic and still eat it a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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