Re: Are there negative Effects from Soy, Tofu, ect?

[Guest guest]

This is a blatant " Soy is Evil " propaganda site. So take it with a huge grain of

salt, but they make all the scary points:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

For most people, a little soy is part of a healthy diet. Women here have only

run into problems when they suddenly quadruple their soy intake. Then, not only

are they not losing fat, they have morning sickness, breast tenderness,

bloating.

For post-menopausal women, soy might be great. For somebody trying to reach a

low percentage of body fat, it might be bad news. Most bodybuilders avoid soy

like the plague because it raises estrogen levels, and estrogen promotes fat

storage.

Are there negative Effects from Soy, Tofu,

ect?

Someone just told me there were long term negative effects from

eating soy, tofu, and other protein alternative sources such as

increase in estrogen, ect. Is this true? If so, what are they?

[Guest guest]

When I first started BFL, I used soy protein powder for my shakes

because it was cheap and I liked the taste better than whey. And just

like described, I suddenly had terrible PMS-like symptoms.

Cramps like you wouldn't believe and I turned into a crazy woman--

terrible mood swings, crabbiness, etc. Then I started reading about

soy and fat storage and stopped eating it at that point.

Now that I've been doing this for awhile, I find that I can eat a soy

burger every now and then or tofu for protein maybe once a week and

be fine, any more than that I have bad PMS when TOM rolls around. And

since I'm trying to achieve a lower BF%, I stay away from because it

does encourage fat storage.

I'm not familiar with any long-term side effects, although there's

lots of allegations out there, especially in terms of " female "

cancers.

Maggie

[Guest guest]

Thank you and Maggie. Wow, that is very discouraging. How can

you determine if the negative effects mentioned on that site are the

result of overconsumption? For instance, beef, chicken, ect are

recommended and considered healthy proteins, however, when eaten in

excess they can be the cause of heart problems and other physical

ailments. However, vegetarians stress the negative effects of

overconsumption of meat. How can we tell this website is not doing

the same? How do I know how much is too much soy? Also, what do

vegans eat to obtain protein if soy causes these problems? Besides

beans and tofu, what are the alternatives for someone who wants to

eventually eliminate all animal products? I've seen a few

bodybuilders who look just as good as meat eating bodybuilders. What

are they eating? Thanks for responding to my question. In

@y..., " Skwigg " <skwigg@k...> wrote:

> This is a blatant " Soy is Evil " propaganda site. So take it with a

huge grain of

> salt, but they make all the scary points:

>

> http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

>

> For most people, a little soy is part of a healthy diet. Women here

have only

> run into problems when they suddenly quadruple their soy intake.

Then, not only

> are they not losing fat, they have morning sickness, breast

tenderness,

> bloating.

>

> For post-menopausal women, soy might be great. For somebody trying

to reach a

> low percentage of body fat, it might be bad news. Most bodybuilders

avoid soy

> like the plague because it raises estrogen levels, and estrogen

promotes fat

> storage.

>

>

>

>

> Are there negative Effects

from Soy, Tofu,

> ect?

>

>

> Someone just told me there were long term negative effects from

> eating soy, tofu, and other protein alternative sources such as

> increase in estrogen, ect. Is this true? If so, what are they?

[Guest guest]

P.S. Is Soy completely seperate from Tofu? Do these negative effects

apply to Tofu as well.

> > This is a blatant " Soy is Evil " propaganda site. So take it with

a

> huge grain of

> > salt, but they make all the scary points:

> >

> > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

> >

> > For most people, a little soy is part of a healthy diet. Women

here

> have only

> > run into problems when they suddenly quadruple their soy intake.

> Then, not only

> > are they not losing fat, they have morning sickness, breast

> tenderness,

> > bloating.

> >

> > For post-menopausal women, soy might be great. For somebody

trying

> to reach a

> > low percentage of body fat, it might be bad news. Most

bodybuilders

> avoid soy

> > like the plague because it raises estrogen levels, and estrogen

> promotes fat

> > storage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Are there negative Effects

> from Soy, Tofu,

> > ect?

> >

> >

> > Someone just told me there were long term negative effects from

> > eating soy, tofu, and other protein alternative sources such as

> > increase in estrogen, ect. Is this true? If so, what are they?

[Guest guest]

> Thank you and Maggie. Wow, that is very discouraging. How can

> you determine if the negative effects mentioned on that site are

the

> result of overconsumption? For instance, beef, chicken, ect are

> recommended and considered healthy proteins, however, when eaten in

> excess they can be the cause of heart problems and other physical

> ailments.

It's generally agreed that consuming a balanced diet that includes

LEAN beef and chicken does not cause heart or other health problems.

It's the cholesterol and saturated fat in fattier cuts of meat and

ground beef and the additives, antibiotics and bacteria in meat that

causes health problems. I eat 4oz of 95% lean ground beef on a daily

basis, sometimes for up to three of my meals a day with no weight

gain whatsoever. I do avoid fattier cuts of beef and only eat

boneless, skinless chicken breast and lean ground turkey and pork

tenderloin though.

>However, vegetarians stress the negative effects of

> overconsumption of meat. How can we tell this website is not doing

> the same? How do I know how much is too much soy? Also, what do

> vegans eat to obtain protein if soy causes these problems? Besides

> beans and tofu, what are the alternatives for someone who wants to

> eventually eliminate all animal products?

I personally do believe that overconsuming any particular one type of

food (protein, carbs, meat, soy, whatever) is what gets people into

trouble. Now, I do have issues with the meat industry in our country

and try my very hardest to only buy non-antibiotic meats. It's hard

to find where I live, though, and expensive when I do.

I was a vegetarian all through high school and desperately missed

chicken and meat, so I don't know how well I can help you find

replacements. I think that you have to take that website with a grain

of salt (just like suggested) and weigh meat and soy and find

out which claims you believe and which you don't. I think that if

you're an ovo-lacto vegetarian, you'd see decent results but have to

eat a whole lot of eggs, cottage cheese, and whey-based protein

shakes to get your requirements for protein. As for a total vegan

diet, you'd have to do your research on complementary proteins and

work really really hard to make sure you were eating enough high

quality food. And more so than with a meat-based protein diet, make

sure you take a multi-vitamin supplement every day.

I have a good friend who started BFL as a vegetarian and ended up re-

adding chicken back into her diet about halfway through. She was

doing BFL to gain muscle though, and didn't need to lose any fat. She

had great results.

>I've seen a few

> bodybuilders who look just as good as meat eating bodybuilders.

What

> are they eating?

I think that Bill Pearl, a really famous bodybuilder who has authored

a lot of fitness books is vegetarian, you may be able to find some

good info from his books.

Found this link doing a search on google for 'vegetarian

bodybuilding':

Steve Holt: Ovo-lacto vegetarian competitive bodybuilder, he has a

sample daily menu and list of high quality veggie foods and lots of

other links and info.

http://ksteveh.tripod.com/veggiebodybuilder.html

I'm sure you'll find a lot of information and support out there,

although it may seem hard at first. I hope this helps!

Maggie

[Guest guest]

Tofu is soybean curd, so they're the same thing. I don't know if I can add much

to what Maggie said. I was a lacto-ovo vegetarian for seven years. I started

eating meat again when I became fitness obsessed and wanted more protein

options. I do think that a vegetarian can have a great, lean, muscular physique

if they make smart choices. So, if you're wanting to move in that direction,

don't be discouraged.

It's much easier to meet bodybuilding protein requirements if you still consume

eggs and dairy. If you're trying to cut those things out, I'd first cut back to

just a high quality whey protein powder. Whey protein along with veggie burgers,

tofu, etc., isn't a bad deal. You could stay there indefinitely, have a very

healthy diet, and meet all your muscle-building needs.

If you eventually want to eliminate even the whey, I'd make an effort to get my

soy from actual food, not from a powdered supplement. I think that whole food is

less likely to cause a problem than scooping concentrated soy protein isolate

out of a can. You may not have any problems at all even with a high soy

consumption. It seems to affect people differently. Maybe you could do some

experimenting and report back.

Re: Are there negative Effects from Soy,

Tofu, ect?

P.S. Is Soy completely seperate from Tofu? Do these negative effects

apply to Tofu as well.