Re: diaper blues: I guess this is my vent today.

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OH my. What a mess!! You poor woman!

How old is Alden?

Myah just turned 7 and is starting to be able to be on her own more, but still

not as a typical child would be. We still have everything under lock and key.

She is double gated in her room; yes that's one gate on top of the other-at

night. This is a must for safety and sanity reasons. Without it she will not

stay in her room. With it she just gets in bed-no tears. She needs a visual

boundary and always has. Her windows have spring rods holding the shut-on top of

child locks and regular window locks. This was after she opened both and threw

everything-sheets and all out the window. Thank the good Lord that we found her

(after a neighbor rang the doorbell-but continued on to work!!) because she and

her not quite 2 year old sister were hanging out the window to get a blanket

that got stuck on the roof. This was about 7AM before we were awake. And yes

there are locks on the tops of all of the bedroom doors...and a lock that takes

a key on both sides on the back door. After she got out alone a few

times-especially in the snow naked one day.

My advice is to zip in the back.

It will get better, but for each child in their own time...

Spilios

diaper blues: I guess this is my vent today.

OK. I must talk about this.

Alden has, once in a while, gotten his PJ's off in the AM after a bowel

movement and made

a HUGE mess. It is just awful!

I cut off the feet of his zippered jammies and I put them on backwards now.

Last night,

my darling husband got him ready for bed. Stupid me, I even asked him about

why his

jammies were zipped in FRONT. He said that he had a large BM and that he

should be OK

for tonight. Like an idiot, I said, " Well, if you really think so. " I know, I

know. Not too

bright.

Well. He wasn't. Wasn't OK, that is. I greeted my beautiful little guy and

then stood there

in SHOCK. Good GRIEF what a mess. Naked and innocent and COVERED from head to

toe.

I asked him, " What in the world is this? "

He said, " What in the world is this? "

Me: " I am so ANGRY! "

Him: " I am so ANGRY! "

You get the picture.

I put him in the tub pronto and asked him to look at me. He said, " Look at

me " . I then

said, " No Alden, look at me. " " I want to ask you a question " .

He looked straight into my eyes and said, " Yes? " I asked him, " Where do we put

poo and

pee? " He responded promptly, " In the potty " . There was more conversation but

you get

the general idea.

Now. I know this kid is ALL over the board developmentally. He can be a danger

to

himself and others at times. There are times, for his safety, that he is gated

in the living

area while I cook and he plays alone or watches a video. He has a gate on his

bedroom

door and the door " fixed " so that he cannot close it or lock it. There are

other times that I

bring him into the kitchen and teach him along side of me. Or the laundry

room. Or to

" help " with the pets. I have to make judgment calls. What is on the stove, is

the oven

being used, can I keep the small animals safe, is " glass " involved, etc. We

teach him not to

touch, hot, gentle, etc. but I can only do it when I feel safe to watch him

like a hawk and

be RIGHT THERE to grab his hands and be in control of the situation. He still

likes to

throw things into toilets, if he has the opportunity. And he is FAST.

Please, if your advice is to spank him, I will tell you right up front that I

do not believe that

is the answer. We do time out and we take privileges away but I am not sure

how much

really sinks in with certain behavior problems.

This AM, I not only had the bed, bedding, walls and room to clean up but he

got into some

stuffed animals. He never did that before and I am just wondering if I should

remove his

bedroom toys tonight and let him know that since he played in his diaper again

that his

toys had to be put away. He has had toys taken away for inappropriate use

(such as

throwing) and often this tactic works and seems to be understood. Other times,

it seems

as if he just doesn't get it at all! When I tell him that he must eat his main

food or he must

" chew " some sort of food a number of times or he will not get his " yogurt " for

dessert, he

complies. This technique and others we learned in his intensive feeding

therapy clinic. He

understands. So am I just worrying for nothing? Do you think if I tell him why

his toys are

gone that he would " get it " ? Should I just drop it for this time and keep him

zippered in

back? When will I be able to trust him to be safe to himself and actually HAVE

the

bathroom available to practice on his own? Right now, I have to take him every

time and

he isn't potty trained and he has NEVER had a BM on the potty. Maybe once, we

got lucky.

I have made it very clear that I want him in a one piece, zipped up in back

type of garment

from now on when he is put to bed. No matter WHAT!

Part of me knows that he will understand more as he matures and that this is

only a

season. But I am wondering what others have experienced, what methods of

discipline

some of you use, and a little company in laughing this off!

Thanks for letting me vent.

Blessings, Kiersten

[Guest guest]

Our daughter also did that various times. I could be crazy, but I think

she did it more because she believed she was helping. She knew that she was

poopy and she wanted to be a big girl that was wiping herself. There was usually

a little bit of toilet paper used, but I think it got on her hands and then from

there it was all over(literally). Alden will catch on, as I think he is in the

beginning stages of potty training. Remind him to ask for help when going potty

and praise him for any potty successes.

john

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: " kiersten5560 " <kiersten5560@...>

> OK. I must talk about this.

>

> Alden has, once in a while, gotten his PJ's off in the AM after a bowel

movement

> and made

> a HUGE mess. It is just awful!

>

> I cut off the feet of his zippered jammies and I put them on backwards now.

> Last night,

> my darling husband got him ready for bed. Stupid me, I even asked him about

why

> his

> jammies were zipped in FRONT. He said that he had a large BM and that he

should

> be OK

> for tonight. Like an idiot, I said, " Well, if you really think so. " I know,

I

> know. Not too

> bright.

>

> Well. He wasn't. Wasn't OK, that is. I greeted my beautiful little guy and

> then stood there

> in SHOCK. Good GRIEF what a mess. Naked and innocent and COVERED from head

to

> toe.

>

> I asked him, " What in the world is this? "

>

> He said, " What in the world is this? "

>

> Me: " I am so ANGRY! "

>

> Him: " I am so ANGRY! "

>

> You get the picture.

>

> I put him in the tub pronto and asked him to look at me. He said, " Look at

me " .

> I then

> said, " No Alden, look at me. " " I want to ask you a question " .

>

> He looked straight into my eyes and said, " Yes? " I asked him, " Where do we

put

> poo and

> pee? " He responded promptly, " In the potty " . There was more conversation but

> you get

> the general idea.

>

> Now. I know this kid is ALL over the board developmentally. He can be a

danger

> to

> himself and others at times. There are times, for his safety, that he is

gated

> in the living

> area while I cook and he plays alone or watches a video. He has a gate on his

> bedroom

> door and the door " fixed " so that he cannot close it or lock it. There are

> other times that I

> bring him into the kitchen and teach him along side of me. Or the laundry

room.

> Or to

> " help " with the pets. I have to make judgment calls. What is on the stove,

is

> the oven

> being used, can I keep the small animals safe, is " glass " involved, etc. We

> teach him not to

> touch, hot, gentle, etc. but I can only do it when I feel safe to watch him

like

> a hawk and

> be RIGHT THERE to grab his hands and be in control of the situation. He still

> likes to

> throw things into toilets, if he has the opportunity. And he is FAST.

>

> Please, if your advice is to spank him, I will tell you right up front that I

do

> not believe that

> is the answer. We do time out and we take privileges away but I am not sure

how

> much

> really sinks in with certain behavior problems.

>

> This AM, I not only had the bed, bedding, walls and room to clean up but he

got

> into some

> stuffed animals. He never did that before and I am just wondering if I should

> remove his

> bedroom toys tonight and let him know that since he played in his diaper again

> that his

> toys had to be put away. He has had toys taken away for inappropriate use

(such

> as

> throwing) and often this tactic works and seems to be understood. Other

times,

> it seems

> as if he just doesn't get it at all! When I tell him that he must eat his

main

> food or he must

> " chew " some sort of food a number of times or he will not get his " yogurt " for

> dessert, he

> complies. This technique and others we learned in his intensive feeding

therapy

> clinic. He

> understands. So am I just worrying for nothing? Do you think if I tell him

why

> his toys are

> gone that he would " get it " ? Should I just drop it for this time and keep him

> zippered in

> back? When will I be able to trust him to be safe to himself and actually

HAVE

> the

> bathroom available to practice on his own? Right now, I have to take him

every

> time and

> he isn't potty trained and he has NEVER had a BM on the potty. Maybe once, we

> got lucky.

>

> I have made it very clear that I want him in a one piece, zipped up in back

type

> of garment

> from now on when he is put to bed. No matter WHAT!

>

> Part of me knows that he will understand more as he matures and that this is

> only a

> season. But I am wondering what others have experienced, what methods of

> discipline

> some of you use, and a little company in laughing this off!

>

> Thanks for letting me vent.

>

> Blessings, Kiersten

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry this is so late but I would have been so tempted to make dear hubby clean

everything up.... they have to understand why things are being done in a certain

manner,,,,

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " kiersten5560 " <kiersten5560@...>

OK. I must talk about this.

Alden has, once in a while, gotten his PJ's off in the AM after a bowel movement

and made

a HUGE mess. It is just awful!

I cut off the feet of his zippered jammies and I put them on backwards now. Last

night,

my darling husband got him ready for bed. Stupid me, I even asked him about why

his

jammies were zipped in FRONT. He said that he had a large BM and that he should

be OK

for tonight. Like an idiot, I said, " Well, if you really think so. " I know, I

know. Not too

bright.

Well. He wasn't. Wasn't OK, that is. I greeted my beautiful little guy and then

stood there

in SHOCK. Good GRIEF what a mess. Naked and innocent and COVERED from head to

toe.

I asked him, " What in the world is this? "

He said, " What in the world is this? "

Me: " I am so ANGRY! "

Him: " I am so ANGRY! "

You get the picture.

I put him in the tub pronto and asked him to look at me. He said, " Look at me " .

I then

said, " No Alden, look at me. " " I want to ask you a question " .

He looked straight into my eyes and said, " Yes? " I asked him, " Where do we put

poo and

pee? " He responded promptly, " In the potty " . There was more conversation but you

get

the general idea.

Now. I know this kid is ALL over the board developmentally. He can be a danger

to

himself and others at times. There are times, for his safety, that he is gated

in the living

area while I cook and he plays alone or watches a video. He has a gate on his

bedroom

door and the door " fixed " so that he cannot close it or lock it. There are other

times that I

bring him into the kitchen and teach him along side of me. Or the laundry room.

Or to

" help " with the pets. I have to make judgment calls. What is on the stove, is

the oven

being used, can I keep the small animals safe, is " glass " involved, etc. We

teach him not to

touch, hot, gentle, etc. but I can only do it when I feel safe to watch him like

a hawk and

be RIGHT THERE to grab his hands and be in control of the situation. He still

likes to

throw things into toilets, if he has the opportunity. And he is FAST.

Please, if your advice is to spank him, I will tell you right up front that I do

not believe that

is the answer. We do time out and we take privileges away but I am not sure how

much

really sinks in with certain behavior problems.

This AM, I not only had the bed, bedding, walls and room to clean up but he got

into some

stuffed animals. He never did that before and I am just wondering if I should

remove his

bedroom toys tonight and let him know that since he played in his diaper again

that his

toys had to be put away. He has had toys taken away for inappropriate use (such

as

throwing) and often this tactic works and seems to be understood. Other times,

it seems

as if he just doesn't get it at all! When I tell him that he must eat his main

food or he must

" chew " some sort of food a number of times or he will not get his " yogurt " for

dessert, he

complies. This technique and others we learned in his intensive feeding therapy

clinic. He

understands. So am I just worrying for nothing? Do you think if I tell him why

his toys are

gone that he would " get it " ? Should I just drop it for this time and keep him

zippered in

back? When will I be able to trust him to be safe to himself and actually HAVE

the

bathroom available to practice on his own? Right now, I have to take him every

time and

he isn't potty trained and he has NEVER had a BM on the potty. Maybe once, we

got lucky.

I have made it very clear that I want him in a one piece, zipped up in back type

of garment

from now on when he is put to bed. No matter WHAT!

Part of me knows that he will understand more as he matures and that this is

only a

season. But I am wondering what others have experienced, what methods of

discipline

some of you use, and a little company in laughing this off!

Thanks for letting me vent.

Blessings, Kiersten