Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 I will be doing an assessment early next week with a new adult, professional client who has a fairly significant case of Tourette's, primarily a verbal(?) tic marked by episodic bursts of loud but non-language expression. I will be interested to see what the assessment shows, but I am also curious about the experiences of others in treating this disorder and if there have been particular protocols found to be especially useful. I found a reference to a Tansey article from 1986 but I don't have the actual article and wonder whether there might be more recent data. Thanks, Gerald Showalter * CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of these documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Gerald, C4/P4 or C4/Pz SMR up and theta down are some classic "tic" protocols. Especially look for fast activity at Fz in the assessment. Tourettes is a kind of OCD mixed with ADHD, so often protocols that cool down the cingulate have a very positive effect. Pete Van DeusenBrainTrainer ()16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157305/321-1595 RE: Tourette's I will be doing an assessment early next week with a new adult, professional client who has a fairly significant case of Tourette's, primarily a verbal(?) tic marked by episodic bursts of loud but non-language expression. I will be interested to see what the assessment shows, but I am also curious about the experiences of others in treating this disorder and if there have been particular protocols found to be especially useful. I found a reference to a Tansey article from 1986 but I don't have the actual article and wonder whether there might be more recent data. Thanks, Gerald Showalter* CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of these documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Thanks, Pete, this is very helpful. Gerald -----Original Message-----From: Van Deusen [mailto:pvdtlc@...]Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Re: RE: Tourette's Gerald, C4/P4 or C4/Pz SMR up and theta down are some classic "tic" protocols. Especially look for fast activity at Fz in the assessment. Tourettes is a kind of OCD mixed with ADHD, so often protocols that cool down the cingulate have a very positive effect. Pete Van DeusenBrainTrainer ()16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157305/321-1595 RE: Tourette's I will be doing an assessment early next week with a new adult, professional client who has a fairly significant case of Tourette's, primarily a verbal(?) tic marked by episodic bursts of loud but non-language expression. I will be interested to see what the assessment shows, but I am also curious about the experiences of others in treating this disorder and if there have been particular protocols found to be especially useful. I found a reference to a Tansey article from 1986 but I don't have the actual article and wonder whether there might be more recent data. Thanks, Gerald Showalter* CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of these documents. * CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTICE - The documents included in this transmission may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of these documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Below is a past comment from Pete - I found good results eliminating tics with protocol described below - using C4 increase decrease theta also worked well. " C4/P4 or C4/Pz SMR up and theta down are some classic " tic " protocols. Especially look for fast activity at Fz in the assessment. Tourettes is a kind of OCD mixed with ADHD, so often protocols that cool down the cingulate have a very positive effect. " Mark Berman, Psy.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Hi Mark, As I am easily confused…and interested in what works for tics….when you write C4/P4 do you have a one channel sequential montage or is it a two channel referential montage? Thanks and hope things are going well in your part of the world. Kittredge Bridgeside Counseling and Biofeedback 13 Ocean Street South Portland, Maine 04106 From: Mark Berman, Psy.D. [mailto:dr.mark_berman@...] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Tourette's Below is a past comment from Pete - I found good results eliminating tics with protocol described below - using C4 increase decrease theta also worked well. " C4/P4 or C4/Pz SMR up and theta down are some classic " tic " protocols. Especially look for fast activity at Fz in the assessment. Tourettes is a kind of OCD mixed with ADHD, so often protocols that cool down the cingulate have a very positive effect. " Mark Berman, Psy.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Just to repeat one of the conventions of the list, when a montage is listed, it should be listed as Active/Reference. If we follow that convention, then if someone writes C4/P4, it means that C4 is active and P4 is reference. A two-channel montage would have been C4/A2/g/P4/A2 or (Brainmaster users may prefer) C4/A2/g/A2/P4 (the order in which the leads plug into the front of the unit). Pete Van DeusenBrainTrainer ()16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157305/321-1595 RE: Tourette's Hi Mark, As I am easily confused…and interested in what works for tics….when you write C4/P4 do you have a one channel sequential montage or is it a two channel referential montage? Thanks and hope things are going well in your part of the world. Kittredge Bridgeside Counseling and Biofeedback 13 Ocean Street South Portland, Maine 04106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Just out of curiousity -- what does the 'g' stand for? Dawn M. -----Original Message-----From: Van Deusen [mailto:pvdtlc@...]Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Tourette's Just to repeat one of the conventions of the list, when a montage is listed, it should be listed as Active/Reference. If we follow that convention, then if someone writes C4/P4, it means that C4 is active and P4 is reference. A two-channel montage would have been C4/A2/g/P4/A2 or (Brainmaster users may prefer) C4/A2/g/A2/P4 (the order in which the leads plug into the front of the unit). Pete Van DeusenBrainTrainer ()16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157305/321-1595 RE: Tourette's Hi Mark, As I am easily confused…and interested in what works for tics….when you write C4/P4 do you have a one channel sequential montage or is it a two channel referential montage? Thanks and hope things are going well in your part of the world. Kittredge Bridgeside Counseling and Biofeedback 13 Ocean Street South Portland, Maine 04106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 g is for ground. Van DeusenBrainTrainer ()16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157305/321-1595 RE: Tourette's Just out of curiousity -- what does the 'g' stand for? Dawn M. -----Original Message-----From: Van Deusen [mailto:pvdtlc@...]Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Tourette's Just to repeat one of the conventions of the list, when a montage is listed, it should be listed as Active/Reference. If we follow that convention, then if someone writes C4/P4, it means that C4 is active and P4 is reference. A two-channel montage would have been C4/A2/g/P4/A2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Dawn-- On the Brainmaster the five leads in order of left to right on the front panel are: active, reference, ground, reference, active. The "g" stands for ground, the center, black one. HH RE: Tourette's Hi Mark, As I am easily confused…and interested in what works for tics….when you write C4/P4 do you have a one channel sequential montage or is it a two channel referential montage? Thanks and hope things are going well in your part of the world. Kittredge Bridgeside Counseling and Biofeedback 13 Ocean Street South Portland, Maine 04106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Just wondering if anyone else's child has Tourette's? Myah's tics developed at the beginning of 2007, almost went away after starting insulin for diabetes, and now are back worse than ever. I'm wondering if there is anyone else that can provide more insight to Tourette's that I have not yet discovered. They put her on Paxil to help with outbursts of aggressive behavior, and it's not supposed to make Tourette's worse, but it sure " seems " like it. I was so sad to see a neighbor child make fun of her today. I quickly corrected this child, but her symptoms are obvious. L Spilios Mom to Myah 7 (DS, Diabetic), Shianne 3, and Isabella 10mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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