Re: hands that go numb in my sleep (every night!)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/2/08 8:39:51 PM, val@... writes:

>

> That is, I wear braces at night only.

>

> Val

>

>

>

maybe they are making your hands go numb. Are the too tight?

May your pressure be low!

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(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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[Guest guest]

Are you sleeping on them or are you elbows being pressured and compressing

the nerve there. Where are your hands at night?

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

**************************************

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In a message dated 1/2/08 3:24:53 PM, beecathy@... writes:

>

> I asked about this a while ago in relation to Conns - at that time I

> had had some nerve conduction tests to see if it was carpal tunnel

> syndrome - well tose tests are apparently normal (my endo consultant

> gave me the result when I saw him.) I'm just about to get an appt for

> a scan on my neck and shoulder (it could be related to whip lash from

> a couple of rear shunts over the last 3 years) HOWEVER, someone wrote

> about this happening to them also (but i can't find it). So does

> anyone have any thoughts on why this be? Is it possibly Conns related?

> My endo thinks not though.

>

>

>

Not unless your K is low.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

**************************************

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I don't know if it is PA related but I've had it since I went hypothyroid.

I wear braces on my wrists and that fixes the problem. I usually only have

to wear them when I've been doing lots of work, like painting. The ones you

can get from a physical therapist are much better than anything in the drug

store.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of catma1162

I asked about this a while ago in relation to Conns - at that time I

had had some nerve conduction tests to see if it was carpal tunnel

syndrome - well tose tests are apparently normal (my endo consultant

gave me the result when I saw him.) I'm just about to get an appt for

a scan on my neck and shoulder (it could be related to whip lash from

a couple of rear shunts over the last 3 years) HOWEVER, someone wrote

about this happening to them also (but i can't find it). So does

anyone have any thoughts on why this be? Is it possibly Conns related?

My endo thinks not though.

[Guest guest]

That is, I wear braces at night only.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Valarie

I don't know if it is PA related but I've had it since I went hypothyroid.

I wear braces on my wrists and that fixes the problem. I usually only have

to wear them when I've been doing lots of work, like painting. The ones you

can get from a physical therapist are much better than anything in the drug

store.

[Guest guest]

No, the braces aren't tight. They just keep my wrist straight so it doesn't

bend and compress the nerves on the inside of the wrist. Sometimes I only

need it on the right hand. If I haven't been doing manual labor, I

generally don't need them.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of lowerbp2@...

In a message dated 1/2/08 8:39:51 PM, val@...

<mailto:val%40wyosip.com> writes:

>

> That is, I wear braces at night only.

[Guest guest]

I have some of those also as recommended by GP (who didn't think it

was carpal tunnel and who pushed for the neurology tests at

thehospital) They do help but I just don't want some other

" unexplainable " thing to have to worry about!! Nor do I want to have

to wear them all the time as they annoy me! I sleep generally in a

recovery position so it's not your common or garden dead arm or leg.My

potassion is fine as evidenced by my last trip to consultant in dec

but this has been going on for a while now and is getting a bit tedious.

Fortunately I was offered a cancellation for the scan so can have that

tomorrow. (NHS might drive us mad but boy it's good to have free

treatment) So hopefully I'll get back to see the consultant for this

in a couple of weeks.

>

> I don't know if it is PA related but I've had it since I went

hypothyroid.

> I wear braces on my wrists and that fixes the problem. I usually

only have

> to wear them when I've been doing lots of work, like painting. The

ones you

> can get from a physical therapist are much better than anything in

the drug

> store.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

> [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of catma1162

>

>

> I asked about this a while ago in relation to Conns - at that time I

> had had some nerve conduction tests to see if it was carpal tunnel

> syndrome - well tose tests are apparently normal (my endo consultant

> gave me the result when I saw him.) I'm just about to get an appt for

> a scan on my neck and shoulder (it could be related to whip lash from

> a couple of rear shunts over the last 3 years) HOWEVER, someone wrote

> about this happening to them also (but i can't find it). So does

> anyone have any thoughts on why this be? Is it possibly Conns related?

> My endo thinks not though.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/3/08 2:53:27 PM, jarrigo@... writes:

>

> P.S. I forgot to mention that I also had nerve conduction tests for

> carpal tunnel and I didn't have that either. I'm glad that I don't

> have all of these things but it makes you start feeling crazy and we

> need to fight against that.

>

Has anyone biopsied your nerves to see if you have an allergic (immune

mediated) neuropathy

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

**************

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/3/08 11:59:47 AM, beecathy@... writes:

>

> I have some of those also as recommended by GP (who didn't think it

> was carpal tunnel and who pushed for the neurology tests at

> thehospital) They do help but I just don't want some other

> " unexplainable " thing to have to worry about!! Nor do I want to have

> to wear them all the time as they annoy me! I sleep generally in a

> recovery position so it's not your common or garden dead arm or leg.My

> potassion is fine as evidenced by my last trip to consultant in dec

> but this has been going on for a while now and is getting a bit tedious.

> Fortunately I was offered a cancellation for the scan so can have that

> tomorrow. (NHS might drive us mad but boy it's good to have free

> treatment) So hopefully I'll get back to see the consultant for this

> in a couple of weeks.

>

>

>

Ask someone to watch you sleep and see where your hands are. Then report

back. When you wake up tell them where you are numb. Repeat until you see if

it might be a sleeping on the arms or hands or on the areas that innervated

the areas the get numb. Keep us posted. If you have a video camera I think

you can set it on slow as see what happens or get one of the cheap baby watch

cameras that stores the scenes.

Keep us posted.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

**************

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

[Guest guest]

>

> I asked about this a while ago in relation to Conns - at that time I

> had had some nerve conduction tests to see if it was carpal tunnel

> syndrome - well tose tests are apparently normal (my endo consultant

> gave me the result when I saw him.) I'm just about to get an appt for

> a scan on my neck and shoulder (it could be related to whip lash from

> a couple of rear shunts over the last 3 years) HOWEVER, someone wrote

> about this happening to them also (but i can't find it). So does

> anyone have any thoughts on why this be? Is it possibly Conns related?

> My endo thinks not though.

Dear ,

I have had this problem for years. I have had blood tests for

everything, brain scans, sinus scans, neck scans, carotid artery scans,

chest scan, total heart work up twice, several consultations with a top

neurologist and rheumatologist and nothing showed any direct cause of

the pain, numbness and tingling. I had pretty much accepted that it

was caused by arthritis (original diagnosis by rheumatologist) until I

had my left adrenal gland removed (tumor). The second day after

surgery, the pain was gone. It did come back gradually after about 6

weeks and I started to research the cause on my own. The first symptom

was burning feet and they turned bright red by evening. This is

clearly neuropathy. Then my arms and hands started up with the same

kind of pain. Terrible in the morning. I took this to my doctors and

they agreed that I probably had neuropathy but won't commit to a

cause. I'm not diabetic, don't drink alcoholic beverages and my

vitamin b tests are normal. They started me on increasing doses of

elavil. By August, 2007, I started having symptoms of PA again, with

low potassium and high aldosterone/low renin. This is what sent me back

to the internet and this message board. As patients, we really need a

Dr. Grim to get together or at least oversee the development of a data

base with symptons, meds, diet, etc. so all of this gets out to doctors.

If you start reading through the posts on this site, you start seeing a

lot of similarities. My doctors are excellent but I've gotten a lot of

wrong treatment and even though they listen to me, I feel like I have

to convince them and get them to " think outside of the lines " . As an

example, I kept trying all kinds of bp meds and combinations of meds

that didn't work and my bp was still nearly 200/85. This was after I

was diagnosed.

My advice to all of you is: TAKE CONTROLL OF YOUR OWN HEALTH AND DON'T

GIVE UP!

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I asked about this a while ago in relation to Conns - at that

time I

> > had had some nerve conduction tests to see if it was carpal tunnel

> > syndrome - well tose tests are apparently normal (my endo

consultant

> > gave me the result when I saw him.) I'm just about to get an appt

for

> > a scan on my neck and shoulder (it could be related to whip lash

from

> > a couple of rear shunts over the last 3 years) HOWEVER, someone

wrote

> > about this happening to them also (but i can't find it). So does

> > anyone have any thoughts on why this be? Is it possibly Conns

related?

> > My endo thinks not though.

>

> Dear ,

>

> I have had this problem for years. I have had blood tests for

> everything, brain scans, sinus scans, neck scans, carotid artery

scans,

> chest scan, total heart work up twice, several consultations with a

top

> neurologist and rheumatologist and nothing showed any direct cause

of

> the pain, numbness and tingling. I had pretty much accepted that

it

> was caused by arthritis (original diagnosis by rheumatologist)

until I

> had my left adrenal gland removed (tumor). The second day after

> surgery, the pain was gone. It did come back gradually after about

6

> weeks and I started to research the cause on my own. The first

symptom

> was burning feet and they turned bright red by evening. This is

> clearly neuropathy. Then my arms and hands started up with the same

> kind of pain. Terrible in the morning. I took this to my doctors

and

> they agreed that I probably had neuropathy but won't commit to a

> cause. I'm not diabetic, don't drink alcoholic beverages and my

> vitamin b tests are normal. They started me on increasing doses of

> elavil. By August, 2007, I started having symptoms of PA again,

with

> low potassium and high aldosterone/low renin. This is what sent me

back

> to the internet and this message board. As patients, we really

need a

> Dr. Grim to get together or at least oversee the development of a

data

> base with symptons, meds, diet, etc. so all of this gets out to

doctors.

>

> If you start reading through the posts on this site, you start

seeing a

> lot of similarities. My doctors are excellent but I've gotten a lot

of

> wrong treatment and even though they listen to me, I feel like I

have

> to convince them and get them to " think outside of the lines " . As

an

> example, I kept trying all kinds of bp meds and combinations of

meds

> that didn't work and my bp was still nearly 200/85. This was after

I

> was diagnosed.

>

> My advice to all of you is: TAKE CONTROLL OF YOUR OWN HEALTH AND

DON'T

> GIVE UP!

P.S. I forgot to mention that I also had nerve conduction tests for

carpal tunnel and I didn't have that either. I'm glad that I don't

have all of these things but it makes you start feeling crazy and we

need to fight against that.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In the PA symptom lists we have reviewed, Chvostek's and Trousseau sign,

and " pins and needles " were found in association with later PA.

Hypocalcemia may add to this numbness you describe, I speculate because

I do get " going to sleep " or numbness with pins and needles lots easier

since my PA got worse - stage 4.

And it happens worse when I sleep on, or lean on an extremity for a long

time, among other circumstance of reduced circulation or increased

calcium (supplements, food additves, etc.) - or both.

Dave

ipscalifornia wrote:

>

>

> > >

> > > I asked about this a while ago in relation to Conns - at that

> time I

> > > had had some nerve conduction tests to see if it was carpal tunnel

> > > syndrome - well tose tests are apparently normal (my endo

> consultant

> > > gave me the result when I saw him.) I'm just about to get an appt

> for

> > > a scan on my neck and shoulder (it could be related to whip lash

> from

> > > a couple of rear shunts over the last 3 years) HOWEVER, someone

> wrote

> > > about this happening to them also (but i can't find it). So does

> > > anyone have any thoughts on why this be? Is it possibly Conns

> related?

> > > My endo thinks not though.

> >

> > Dear ,

> >

> > I have had this problem for years. I have had blood tests for

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/4/08 12:03:58 AM, riothamus2@... writes:

>

> In the PA symptom lists we have reviewed, Chvostek's and Trousseau sign,

> and " pins and needles " were found in association with later PA.

> Hypocalcemia may add to this numbness you describe, I speculate because

> I do get " going to sleep " or numbness with pins and needles lots easier

> since my PA got worse - stage 4.

>

> And it happens worse when I sleep on, or lean on an extremity for a long

> time, among other circumstance of reduced circulation or increased

> calcium (supplements, food additves, etc.) - or both.

>

> Dave

>

>

>

By later we are referring to classical stage or advanced stage of PA.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

**************

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

[Guest guest]

My hands go numb when I sleep every night, but I do have carpal

tunnel syndrome, and I wear the wrist guards every night when I

sleep. I do not get the numbness when I wear the wrist guards, so

have you tried wearing them?

> >

> > I asked about this a while ago in relation to Conns - at that

time I

> > had had some nerve conduction tests to see if it was carpal

tunnel

> > syndrome - well tose tests are apparently normal (my endo

consultant

> > gave me the result when I saw him.) I'm just about to get an

appt for

> > a scan on my neck and shoulder (it could be related to whip lash

from

> > a couple of rear shunts over the last 3 years) HOWEVER, someone

wrote

> > about this happening to them also (but i can't find it). So does

> > anyone have any thoughts on why this be? Is it possibly Conns

related?

> > My endo thinks not though.

>

> Dear ,

>

> I have had this problem for years. I have had blood tests for

> everything, brain scans, sinus scans, neck scans, carotid artery

scans,

> chest scan, total heart work up twice, several consultations with

a top

> neurologist and rheumatologist and nothing showed any direct cause

of

> the pain, numbness and tingling. I had pretty much accepted that

it

> was caused by arthritis (original diagnosis by rheumatologist)

until I

> had my left adrenal gland removed (tumor). The second day after

> surgery, the pain was gone. It did come back gradually after about

6

> weeks and I started to research the cause on my own. The first

symptom

> was burning feet and they turned bright red by evening. This is

> clearly neuropathy. Then my arms and hands started up with the

same

> kind of pain. Terrible in the morning. I took this to my doctors

and

> they agreed that I probably had neuropathy but won't commit to a

> cause. I'm not diabetic, don't drink alcoholic beverages and my

> vitamin b tests are normal. They started me on increasing doses of

> elavil. By August, 2007, I started having symptoms of PA again,

with

> low potassium and high aldosterone/low renin. This is what sent me

back

> to the internet and this message board. As patients, we really

need a

> Dr. Grim to get together or at least oversee the development of a

data

> base with symptons, meds, diet, etc. so all of this gets out to

doctors.

>

> If you start reading through the posts on this site, you start

seeing a

> lot of similarities. My doctors are excellent but I've gotten a

lot of

> wrong treatment and even though they listen to me, I feel like I

have

> to convince them and get them to " think outside of the lines " . As

an

> example, I kept trying all kinds of bp meds and combinations of

meds

> that didn't work and my bp was still nearly 200/85. This was

after I

> was diagnosed.

>

> My advice to all of you is: TAKE CONTROLL OF YOUR OWN HEALTH AND

DON'T

> GIVE UP!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Not that I am aware. Maybe you are on to something. Have you tried

wearing only one wrist brace to see if they might be aggravating things.

Also assume you are using guards on your keyboard to minimize capral tunnel

irritation.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

**************

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

[Guest guest]

>

>

> In a message dated 1/4/08 12:03:58 AM, riothamus2@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > In the PA symptom lists we have reviewed, Chvostek's and

Trousseau sign,

> > and " pins and needles " were found in association with later PA.

> > Hypocalcemia may add to this numbness you describe, I speculate

because

> > I do get " going to sleep " or numbness with pins and needles lots

easier

> > since my PA got worse - stage 4.

> >

> > And it happens worse when I sleep on, or lean on an extremity

for a long

> > time, among other circumstance of reduced circulation or

increased

> > calcium (supplements, food additves, etc.) - or both.

> >

> > Dave

> >

> >

> >

>

> By later we are referring to classical stage or advanced stage of

PA.

Dear Dave,

I am very interested in any research linking neuropathy to PA. I

have lost my left adrenal gland and now I am fighting to save the

right one. Right now bp is under control and k is in normal range

with one potassium a day but aldosterone/renin is not good. The one

symptom that is still keeping me from a normal life is neuropathy

pain. The pain in my hands started about 4 years ago as numbness and

tingling but it gradually got worse and spread to arms, shoulders,

feet and legs. I didn't even know that it was neuropathy (diagnosed

originally as arthritis) until after the adrenalectomy. When I

learned that the PA is back, I became intense on finding the reason

for the pain. I first started to connect it to PA when I started

reading experiences by other PA patients on this message board.

There seem to be a lot of patients with similar type of pain. I've

discussed this with my doctors and they are interested but won't

commit to an opinion. I am intense on finding the cause, not

because it will change my treatment but because others might be

helped sooner with early diagnosis and treatment.

You stated that " pins and needles " were found in later stages of PA

but is there any research being done on a connection between PA and

neuropathy?

Thanks for your help.

Jan

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

> Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

> (sharedcareinc.com)

> Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col.

WI

> Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

>

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

>

>

> **************

> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

>

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good question, Jan.

I am going to " search " Pubmed, MedLine and Google with " primary

aldosteronism " and " neuropathy. " Then use hyperaldo and Conn's

syndrome. Those terms' usages are sometimes blurred.

Maybe if you do likewise we can both report back.

I recall one study locating a couple enzumes in red meat (and oily fish)

which helped sheath health, and reduced the incidence of neuropathies in

the samples. As usual, it was a " side effect " as the researchers were

on another trail.

Dave

ipscalifornia wrote:

>

>

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/4/08 12:03:58 AM, riothamus2@... writes:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > In the PA symptom lists we have reviewed, Chvostek's and

> Trousseau sign,

> > > and " pins and needles " were found in association with later PA.

> > > Hypocalcemia may add to this numbness you describe, I speculate

> because

> > > I do get " going to sleep " or numbness with pins and needles lots

> easier

> > > since my PA got worse - stage 4.

> > >

> > > And it happens worse when I sleep on, or lean on an extremity

> for a long

> > > time, among other circumstance of reduced circulation or

> increased

> > > calcium (supplements, food additves, etc.) - or both.

> > >

> > > Dave

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > By later we are referring to classical stage or advanced stage of

> PA.

>

> Dear Dave,

>

> I am very interested in any research linking neuropathy to PA. I

> have lost my left adrenal gland and now I am fighting to save the

> right one. Right now bp is under control and k is in normal range

> with one potassium a day but aldosterone/renin is not good. The one

> symptom that is still keeping me from a normal life is neuropathy

> pain. The pain in my hands started about 4 years ago as numbness and

> tingling but it gradually got worse and spread to arms, shoulders,

> feet and legs. I didn't even know that it was neuropathy (diagnosed

> originally as arthritis) until after the adrenalectomy. When I

> learned that the PA is back, I became intense on finding the reason

> for the pain. I first started to connect it to PA when I started

> reading experiences by other PA patients on this message board.

> There seem to be a lot of patients with similar type of pain. I've

> discussed this with my doctors and they are interested but won't

> commit to an opinion. I am intense on finding the cause, not

> because it will change my treatment but because others might be

> helped sooner with early diagnosis and treatment.

>

> You stated that " pins and needles " were found in later stages of PA

> but is there any research being done on a connection between PA and

> neuropathy?

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Jan

> >

> >

> >

> > May your pressure be low!

> >

> > Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

> > Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

> > (sharedcareinc.com)

> > Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col.

> WI

> > Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

> >

> > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

> >

>