Re: Spiro vs Aldactone - insulin & cholesterol, cinnamon & vinegar

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

Thank you for posting these articles. I found all of these articles

very interesting.

Airlinerg

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Here is a summary of them:

1. Cinnamon, Glucose Tolerance and Diabetes

This human study indicate that consuming roughly one half of a

teaspoon of cinnamon per day or less leads to dramatic improvements

in blood sugar, cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol and triglycerides.

2. Cinnamon Improves Glucose and Lipids of People With Type 2

Diabetes

The results of this study demonstrate that intake of 1g, 3g, or 6g

of cinnamon per day reduces serum glucose, triglyceride, LDL

cholesterol, and total cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes

and suggest that the inclusion of cinnamon in the diet of people

with type 2 diabetes will reduce risk factors associated with

diabetes and cardiovascular diseases.

3. Can Cinnamon Help Lower Blood Glucose and Cholesterol?

Based on these studies, it seems that cinnamon may lower blood

glucose, triglycerides and LDL cholesterol in people with Type 2

diabetes. The fact that studies so far have involved a small amount

of people and have not yet explored the long term benefits of

cinnamon, would lead to the conclusion that there may not be enough

evidence gathered yet, to support cinnamon as a major player against

Type 2. But adding more cinnamon to already healthy lifestyle

changes probably wouldn't hurt either.

4. Vinegar Helps the Sugar Go Down

Two tablespoons of vinegar before a meal even as part of a

vinaigrette salad dressing—will dramatically reduce the spike in

blood concentrations of insulin and glucose that come after a meal.

5. Test Results - Vinegar and Diabetes

Analysis of the results showed that in all 3 groups the consumption

of apple cider vinegar slowed the rise of blood sugar after the high-

carbohydrate breakfast:

For the group with prediabetes, their blood sugar levels after the

meal dropped by 34%.

For the group with type 2 diabetes, their blood sugar levels dropped

by 19%.

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> >>

> >>> Dear all & Dr. Grim:

> >>> Here is my two cents worth; I sent an email over a month ago

> >>>

> >> asking if

> >>

> >>> anyone on the group knows differences between Aldactone and its

> >>>

> >> generic

> >>

> >>> drug Spironolactone. I have been taking spiro for two yrs now

> >>>

> >> following my

> >>

> >>> diagnosis with PA. I took 100 mgs for the most of the 1st year

and

> >>>

> >> reduced

> >>

> >>> to 75mgs thereafter. Just to give a little background about

> >>>

> >> myself, thats

> >>

> >>> all I take plus I DASH. My BP is well controlled with the two

to

> >>>

> >> be under

> >>

> >>> 120/80 most of the time at home and always under 100/60+ at the

> >>>

> >> doctors

> >>

> >>> office.

> >>> Last month, I decided to ask for Aldactone when I was up to

renew

> >>>

> >> my

> >>

> >>> prescription so after taking Aldactone for about a month now,

here

> >>>

> >> it goes,

> >>

> >>> a summery of the differences I have so far experienced:

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> *Spironolactone, 75mgs, 25am, 50 pm + DASH*

> >>>

> >>> *Aldactone, 75mgs, 25 am, 50 pm + DASH*

> >>>

> >>> costs $5.00 for the bottle of pills to last a month

> >>>

> >>> additonal $65.00 that my insurance did not cover.

> >>>

> >>> Severe flushing and sweating during the days and at nights

> >>>

> >>> Initially didn't notice much difference-by 2nd week sweating

was

> >>>

> >> gone 80-90%

> >>

> >>> Occasional heart palpitations

> >>>

> >>> Initially didn't notice much difference - Much less after the

2nd

> >>>

> >> week and

> >>

> >>> after a month its almost gone

> >>>

> >>> Severe muscle aches specially in my calves during nights and

> >>>

> >> mornings

> >>

> >>> muscle aches appear to be reduced-definitely no more in my

calves

> >>>

> >>> - didn't experience this on spiro

> >>>

> >>> Wake up in mornings with numb little finger in my right hand -

I

> >>>

> >> mean its

> >>

> >>> really numb with no feeling what so ever for a while

> >>>

> >>> -

> >>>

> >>> My right toes and foot go numb when I walk fast- should I be

> >>>

> >> concerned or

> >>

> >>> is this a K thing?

> >>>

> >>> Chest feeling like its being ripped apart into shreds before a

> >>>

> >> sweating

> >>

> >>> episode

> >>>

> >>> I no longer have this feeling - hooray

> >>>

> >>> Occasional feeling of mild nausea(I would say a 1-2 on a scale

of

> >>>

> >> 0 to

> >>

> >>> 10)

> >>>

> >>> no more nausea :-)

> >>>

> >>> BP well controlled under 120/80 or lower

> >>>

> >>> BP is well controlled under 120/80 or lower

> >>>

> >>> occasional bouts of low salt episodes and have to do quick salt

> >>>

> >> loading to

> >>

> >>> feel better otherwise can not function or think mentally --

every

> >>>

> >> few days

> >>

> >>> Have not experienced any low salt episodes(days) in the past

month

> >>>

> >> and have

> >>

> >>> maintained a low salt diet

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Feeling tired often

> >>>

> >>> pain in breasts and increased size

> >>>

> >>> certainly the pain is gone and I have lost a little though not

> >>>

> >> measurably on

> >>

> >>> the scale- my tops feel slightly looser

> >>>

> >>> My rings fit in my fingers tighter

> >>>

> >>> My rings are rather loose and come right off my fingers, so

> >>>

> >> obviously some

> >>

> >>> kind of less swelling

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Whats interesting is that last week I was traveling and forgot

to

> >>>

> >> take the

> >>

> >>> Aldactone with me. But no worries, because I had a bottle of

extra

> >>>

> >> Spiro

> >>

> >>> with me which I took. After the 2nd day all the side effects,

in

> >>>

> >> particular

> >>

> >>> the weired feeling in my chest and the flushing came back.

> >>>

> >> Thankfully I

> >>

> >>> only took it for 4 days and am now back on Aldactone. Now the

> >>>

> >> challenge

> >>

> >>> remains to convince my doctor to write a prescription for

> >>>

> >> Aldactone instead

> >>

> >>> of spiro so the insurance can cover it. Otherwise I think I

have

> >>>

> >> to invest

> >>

> >>> in Aldactone by paying $65 each month. The other challenge that

> >>>

> >> remains is

> >>

> >>> to do a blood test and get a measurement of the Aldosterone,

Renin

> >>>

> >> and my K.

> >>

> >>> Once I do that I will keep you all posted but it will be a

while

> >>>

> >> before I am

> >>

> >>> up for my next blood work.

> >>>

> >>> By the way, I have checked the chemical compounds of the two

on-

> >>>

> >> line and

> >>

> >>> they both appear to be the same with minor differences in

> >>>

> >> ingredients.(I am

> >>

> >>> not a chemistry kind of a person so I leave this to some of you

> >>>

> >> experts in

> >>

> >>> analyzing the chemical compounds of the two

> >>>

> >>> Happy New Year to all of you,

> >>>

> >>> Farah

> >>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually I am of Persian background, we are not considered South Asian.

Are you familiar with the South Asian Heart Center? El Camino Hospital in

Los Altos, CA, started this program after noticing that many of their

patients with sudden heart attacks and strokes were younger generation of

Indian backgrounds in their 40's or younger. Way too young to develop heart

disease. Since a large population of people from India live in this area,

they funded this program to encourage South Asians to undergo advance tests

not normally done in regular blood tests to identify early Coronary disease.

http://www.elcaminohospital.org/body.cfm?id=1069

http://www.southasianheartcenter.org/

Cheers!

Farah

On Jan 1, 2008 7:51 AM, <lowerbp2@...> wrote:

> If you mother can DASH she will help her DM.

>

> Are you of Indian (Asian) heritage. I have just advanced a Ho that the

> major health problems in Indians is a result of their history or

> starvation and

> salt deficiency. I think I sent a copy to everyone about a year ago. I

> just

> gave a talk in Hyderabad and Agra and Delhi on it.

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

> Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

> (sharedcareinc.com)

> Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

> Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

>

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

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[Guest guest]

The Persian civilisation is one of the greatest, and certainly the

oldest fully operational culture system in the world today. Its

longevity is intriguing to social scientists of all disciplines.

I wish I could learn more. Studying Urdu for school gave me only

tantalizing hints.

Dave

Farah Rahbar wrote:

>

> Actually I am of Persian background, we are not considered South Asian.

>

> Are you familiar with the South Asian Heart Center? El Camino Hospital in

> Los Altos, CA, started this program after noticing that many of their

> patients with sudden heart attacks and strokes were younger generation of

> Indian backgrounds in their 40's or younger. Way too young to develop

> heart

> disease. Since a large population of people from India live in this area,

> they funded this program to encourage South Asians to undergo advance

> tests

> not normally done in regular blood tests to identify early Coronary

> disease.

>

> http://www.elcaminohospital.org/body.cfm?id=1069

> <http://www.elcaminohospital.org/body.cfm?id=1069>

> http://www.southasianheartcenter.org/

> <http://www.southasianheartcenter.org/>

>

> Cheers!

> Farah

>

> On Jan 1, 2008 7:51 AM, <lowerbp2@... <mailto:lowerbp2%40aol.com>>

> wrote:

>

> > If you mother can DASH she will help her DM.

> >

> > Are you of Indian (Asian) heritage. I have just advanced a Ho that the

> > major health problems in Indians is a result of their history or

> > starvation and

> > salt deficiency. I think I sent a copy to everyone about a year ago. I

> > just

> > gave a talk in Hyderabad and Agra and Delhi on it.

> >

> > May your pressure be low!

> >

> > Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

> > Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

> > (sharedcareinc.com)

> > Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

> > Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

> >

> > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > Hard Times and Heart Disease today

>