Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 My only suggestion is not to use email. Instead send registered letter to school ( not an individual) with signature required. That Sig.stirred date will become your date of record for official request. Alternatively you could go to school and hand a copy of letter to them and get their signature on second original (that's what I would do given their track record) Jim (father of two) Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: " Kerrigan " <leslie-kerrigan@...> " " < > Subject: only 2 more months Date: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 3:20 pm Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the bitter end. Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet to see a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can take to be scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 hours, and still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), so at 5 pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, and then the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email stating it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On March 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) Today she emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now unable to attend and she'd let me know a new date. In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review the IEP > (not counting > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of > school vacation of > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, notify > the parent of the > need for a written request. So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it begins March 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am debating, and who to send them to. , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and auntie to (18).... in the house of TEENS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that they must set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for one. I think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what you are saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the right to call a meeting whenever you need to. Graham 832-816-7992 ________________________________ From: Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> < > Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: only 2 more months  Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the bitter end. Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet to see a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can take to be scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 hours, and still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), so at 5 pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, and then the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email stating it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On March 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) Today she emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now unable to attend and she'd let me know a new date. In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review the IEP > (not counting > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of > school vacation of > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, notify > the parent of the > need for a written request. So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it begins March 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am debating, and who to send them to. , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and auntie to (18).... in the house of TEENS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Thanks, getting out my glasses and that oh-so-tiny printed Procedural Safeguards! On 4/9/2012 7:10 PM, Moyers wrote: > Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that they must > set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for one. I > think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what you are > saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the right to > call a meeting whenever you need to. > Graham > 832-816-7992 > *From:* Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> > *To:* < > > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM > *Subject:* only 2 more months > > Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle > school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the bitter end. > > Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet to see > a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, > ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can take to be > scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? > > History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 hours, and > still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), so at 5 > pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, and then > the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff > meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was > coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March > 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start > scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email stating > it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On March > 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we > didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS > placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) Today she > emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now unable to > attend and she'd let me know a new date. > > In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available > online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: > > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review the IEP > > (not counting > > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of > > school vacation of > > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, notify > > the parent of the > > need for a written request. > > So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock > starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it begins March > 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " > > What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am > debating, and who to send them to. > > , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and auntie to > (18).... in the house of TEENS! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 , What are the dates that her IEP runs to? Usually ours are held pretty close to the end of the 1yr. " expiration " date. If that is the case and her IEP has running out they are in noncompliance. Also, I know that when they receive the written request they have a certain number of days that they have to respond and then hold the i meeting. Check IDEA on that. I used to print out two copies of the letters, take them to the office and have them date and time stamp it, leave one copy with them and one copy went in my files. Also, I would not even consider holding the meeting if a school representative ( the one who can say yes or no, usually the principal) and the reg Ed teacher are there the WHOLE time. Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> wrote: > Thanks, getting out my glasses and that oh-so-tiny printed Procedural > Safeguards! > > > On 4/9/2012 7:10 PM, Moyers wrote: > > Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that they must > > set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for one. I > > think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what you are > > saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the right to > > call a meeting whenever you need to. > > Graham > > 832-816-7992 > > *From:* Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> > > *To:* < > > > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM > > *Subject:* only 2 more months > > > > Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle > > school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the bitter end. > > > > Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet to see > > a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, > > ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can take to be > > scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? > > > > History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 hours, and > > still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), so at 5 > > pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, and then > > the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff > > meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was > > coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March > > 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start > > scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email stating > > it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On March > > 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we > > didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS > > placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) Today she > > emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now unable to > > attend and she'd let me know a new date. > > > > In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available > > online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: > > > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review the IEP > > > (not counting > > > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of > > > school vacation of > > > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, notify > > > the parent of the > > > need for a written request. > > > > So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock > > starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it begins March > > 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " > > > > What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am > > debating, and who to send them to. > > > > , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and auntie to > > (18).... in the house of TEENS! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I will have to check on the IEP expiration date, but I requested that we have it earlier this year because it was a transition year and I knew it would go for more than one meeting. Does it have to be completed and signed before the year is up, or just started? I can't find in IDEA a timeline/certain number of days for a " continuation " meeting. Our district gives 30 days to hold an IEP meeting at a parent's request (which I made March 21), but according to a former RSP teacher of 's who we are personal friends with now, she says " it's a gray area with the district, but certainly if she's being denied FAPE, that's a problem. " Not sure I can demonstrate she's being denied FAPE as everything is continuing as it always has. But that's a way to explore as well. We had no idea that the general ed teacher wasn't coming. We started at 2:45, with school being out at 3:10. So, I was OK with introductions, procedural safeguards, etc. w/o the general ed teacher, and was told she was coming (they often arrive a little late when school ends, so this was not unusual.) Well, then at 3:20, I asked where she was (because I figured that was enough time to get a bathroom break and get to the IEP), I was told that " oh, there is a staff meeting this afternoon and it was mandatory. " In hindsight, I should have said " well, we'll have to reschedule for when everyone can be here " and left, but I was led to believe that it was a brief meeting. And, as you can see, the case manager has a difficult time scheduling meetings (because you know, she's very busy) so I hated to walk away when everyone else was there. We were still going over goals, met or not, so I figured, well, she'll be here. Then, at 4, we're asking again, and turns out there was a teacher's union meeting AFTER the staff meeting, and our general ed teacher (the one we love, and would speak the best about 's inclusion) was the president of the local teacher's union, so well, she'd be here after that meeting because she had to run that meeting. She did come when she had finished all the meetings and was willing to stay for as long as it took, but we'd already wrapped up for this, so she was happy to come back another day. I have drafted 3 different letters in response to " oops, the 24th won't work for B. so we need to reschedule.... best laid plans " , all not acceptable to send.... will look at them today with a night's sleep. I am really trying to remove the nastiness that I feel towards this woman, and " just the facts " but she's horrible, and if she were in the private sector, she'd be unemployed for sure.... tenure is her friend. I will make sure somewhere in this letter that I make sure they know we will not meet if everyone is not there, and that we will not be excusing anyone for any reason, so there will be no surprises. Thanks, On 4/10/2012 8:05 AM, wrote: > , What are the dates that her IEP runs to? Usually ours are > held pretty close to the end of the 1yr. " expiration " date. If that > is the case and her IEP has running out they are in noncompliance. > Also, I know that when they receive the written request they have a > certain number of days that they have to respond and then hold the i > meeting. Check IDEA on that. I used to print out two copies of the > letters, take them to the office and have them date and time stamp > it, leave one copy with them and one copy went in my files. > > Also, I would not even consider holding the meeting if a school > representative ( the one who can say yes or no, usually the principal) > and the reg Ed teacher are there the WHOLE time. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> wrote: > >> Thanks, getting out my glasses and that oh-so-tiny printed Procedural >> Safeguards! >> >> >> On 4/9/2012 7:10 PM, Moyers wrote: >> > Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that they must >> > set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for one. I >> > think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what you are >> > saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the right to >> > call a meeting whenever you need to. >> > Graham >> > 832-816-7992 >> > *From:* Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> >> > *To:* < >> <mailto: >> >> > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM >> > *Subject:* only 2 more months >> > >> > Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle >> > school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the bitter end. >> > >> > Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet to see >> > a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, >> > ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can take to be >> > scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? >> > >> > History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 hours, and >> > still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), so at 5 >> > pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, and then >> > the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff >> > meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was >> > coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March >> > 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start >> > scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email stating >> > it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On March >> > 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we >> > didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS >> > placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) Today she >> > emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now unable to >> > attend and she'd let me know a new date. >> > >> > In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available >> > online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: >> > > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review the IEP >> > > (not counting >> > > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of >> > > school vacation of >> > > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, notify >> > > the parent of the >> > > need for a written request. >> > >> > So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock >> > starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it begins March >> > 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " >> > >> > What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am >> > debating, and who to send them to. >> > >> > , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and auntie to >> > (18).... in the house of TEENS! >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 In WV it must be completed before it expires at one year Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: " Kerrigan " <leslie-kerrigan@...> " " < > Subject: only 2 more months Date: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 3:42 pm I will have to check on the IEP expiration date, but I requested that we have it earlier this year because it was a transition year and I knew it would go for more than one meeting. Does it have to be completed and signed before the year is up, or just started? I can't find in IDEA a timeline/certain number of days for a " continuation " meeting. Our district gives 30 days to hold an IEP meeting at a parent's request (which I made March 21), but according to a former RSP teacher of 's who we are personal friends with now, she says " it's a gray area with the district, but certainly if she's being denied FAPE, that's a problem. " Not sure I can demonstrate she's being denied FAPE as everything is continuing as it always has. But that's a way to explore as well. We had no idea that the general ed teacher wasn't coming. We started at 2:45, with school being out at 3:10. So, I was OK with introductions, procedural safeguards, etc. w/o the general ed teacher, and was told she was coming (they often arrive a little late when school ends, so this was not unusual.) Well, then at 3:20, I asked where she was (because I figured that was enough time to get a bathroom break and get to the IEP), I was told that " oh, there is a staff meeting this afternoon and it was mandatory. " In hindsight, I should have said " well, we'll have to reschedule for when everyone can be here " and left, but I was led to believe that it was a brief meeting. And, as you can see, the case manager has a difficult time scheduling meetings (because you know, she's very busy) so I hated to walk away when everyone else was there. We were still going over goals, met or not, so I figured, well, she'll be here. Then, at 4, we're asking again, and turns out there was a teacher's union meeting AFTER the staff meeting, and our general ed teacher (the one we love, and would speak the best about 's inclusion) was the president of the local teacher's union, so well, she'd be here after that meeting because she had to run that meeting. She did come when she had finished all the meetings and was willing to stay for as long as it took, but we'd already wrapped up for this, so she was happy to come back another day. I have drafted 3 different letters in response to " oops, the 24th won't work for B. so we need to reschedule.... best laid plans " , all not acceptable to send.... will look at them today with a night's sleep. I am really trying to remove the nastiness that I feel towards this woman, and " just the facts " but she's horrible, and if she were in the private sector, she'd be unemployed for sure.... tenure is her friend. I will make sure somewhere in this letter that I make sure they know we will not meet if everyone is not there, and that we will not be excusing anyone for any reason, so there will be no surprises. Thanks, On 4/10/2012 8:05 AM, wrote: > , What are the dates that her IEP runs to? Usually ours are > held pretty close to the end of the 1yr. " expiration " date. If that > is the case and her IEP has running out they are in noncompliance. > Also, I know that when they receive the written request they have a > certain number of days that they have to respond and then hold the i > meeting. Check IDEA on that. I used to print out two copies of the > letters, take them to the office and have them date and time stamp > it, leave one copy with them and one copy went in my files. > > Also, I would not even consider holding the meeting if a school > representative ( the one who can say yes or no, usually the principal) > and the reg Ed teacher are there the WHOLE time. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> wrote: > >> Thanks, getting out my glasses and that oh-so-tiny printed Procedural >> Safeguards! >> >> >> On 4/9/2012 7:10 PM, Moyers wrote: >> > Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that they must >> > set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for one. I >> > think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what you are >> > saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the right to >> > call a meeting whenever you need to. >> > Graham >> > 832-816-7992 >> > *From:* Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> >> > *To:* < >> <mailto: >> >> > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM >> > *Subject:* only 2 more months >> > >> > Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle >> > school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the bitter end. >> > >> > Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet to see >> > a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, >> > ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can take to be >> > scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? >> > >> > History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 hours, and >> > still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), so at 5 >> > pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, and then >> > the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff >> > meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was >> > coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March >> > 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start >> > scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email stating >> > it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On March >> > 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we >> > didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS >> > placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) Today she >> > emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now unable to >> > attend and she'd let me know a new date. >> > >> > In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available >> > online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: >> > > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review the IEP >> > > (not counting >> > > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of >> > > school vacation of >> > > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, notify >> > > the parent of the >> > > need for a written request. >> > >> > So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock >> > starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it begins March >> > 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " >> > >> > What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am >> > debating, and who to send them to. >> > >> > , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and auntie to >> > (18).... in the house of TEENS! >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Also, in response to the 1 hr time limit, I would ask that they schedule a limit of 4 1 hr meetings if that is the way they have to do it because one hour will barely.get you past the introductions and the present level of performance! Sent from my iPad On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> wrote: > I will have to check on the IEP expiration date, but I requested that we > have it earlier this year because it was a transition year and I knew it > would go for more than one meeting. Does it have to be completed and > signed before the year is up, or just started? > > I can't find in IDEA a timeline/certain number of days for a > " continuation " meeting. Our district gives 30 days to hold an IEP > meeting at a parent's request (which I made March 21), but according to > a former RSP teacher of 's who we are personal friends with > now, she says " it's a gray area with the district, but certainly if > she's being denied FAPE, that's a problem. " Not sure I can demonstrate > she's being denied FAPE as everything is continuing as it always has. > But that's a way to explore as well. > > We had no idea that the general ed teacher wasn't coming. We started at > 2:45, with school being out at 3:10. So, I was OK with introductions, > procedural safeguards, etc. w/o the general ed teacher, and was told she > was coming (they often arrive a little late when school ends, so this > was not unusual.) Well, then at 3:20, I asked where she was (because I > figured that was enough time to get a bathroom break and get to the > IEP), I was told that " oh, there is a staff meeting this afternoon and > it was mandatory. " In hindsight, I should have said " well, we'll have > to reschedule for when everyone can be here " and left, but I was led to > believe that it was a brief meeting. And, as you can see, the case > manager has a difficult time scheduling meetings (because you know, > she's very busy) so I hated to walk away when everyone else was there. > We were still going over goals, met or not, so I figured, well, she'll > be here. Then, at 4, we're asking again, and turns out there was a > teacher's union meeting AFTER the staff meeting, and our general ed > teacher (the one we love, and would speak the best about 's > inclusion) was the president of the local teacher's union, so well, > she'd be here after that meeting because she had to run that meeting. > She did come when she had finished all the meetings and was willing to > stay for as long as it took, but we'd already wrapped up for this, so > she was happy to come back another day. > > I have drafted 3 different letters in response to " oops, the 24th won't > work for B. so we need to reschedule.... best laid plans " , all not > acceptable to send.... will look at them today with a night's sleep. I > am really trying to remove the nastiness that I feel towards this woman, > and " just the facts " but she's horrible, and if she were in the private > sector, she'd be unemployed for sure.... tenure is her friend. I will > make sure somewhere in this letter that I make sure they know we will > not meet if everyone is not there, and that we will not be excusing > anyone for any reason, so there will be no surprises. > > Thanks, > > > On 4/10/2012 8:05 AM, wrote: > > , What are the dates that her IEP runs to? Usually ours are > > held pretty close to the end of the 1yr. " expiration " date. If that > > is the case and her IEP has running out they are in noncompliance. > > Also, I know that when they receive the written request they have a > > certain number of days that they have to respond and then hold the i > > meeting. Check IDEA on that. I used to print out two copies of the > > letters, take them to the office and have them date and time stamp > > it, leave one copy with them and one copy went in my files. > > > > Also, I would not even consider holding the meeting if a school > > representative ( the one who can say yes or no, usually the principal) > > and the reg Ed teacher are there the WHOLE time. > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> wrote: > > > >> Thanks, getting out my glasses and that oh-so-tiny printed Procedural > >> Safeguards! > >> > >> > >> On 4/9/2012 7:10 PM, Moyers wrote: > >> > Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that they must > >> > set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for one. I > >> > think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what you are > >> > saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the right to > >> > call a meeting whenever you need to. > >> > Graham > >> > 832-816-7992 > >> > *From:* Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> > >> > *To:* < > >> <mailto: >> > >> > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM > >> > *Subject:* only 2 more months > >> > > >> > Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle > >> > school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the bitter end. > >> > > >> > Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet to see > >> > a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, > >> > ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can take to be > >> > scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? > >> > > >> > History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 hours, and > >> > still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), so at 5 > >> > pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, and then > >> > the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff > >> > meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was > >> > coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March > >> > 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start > >> > scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email stating > >> > it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On March > >> > 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we > >> > didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS > >> > placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) Today she > >> > emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now unable to > >> > attend and she'd let me know a new date. > >> > > >> > In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available > >> > online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: > >> > > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review the IEP > >> > > (not counting > >> > > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of > >> > > school vacation of > >> > > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, notify > >> > > the parent of the > >> > > need for a written request. > >> > > >> > So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock > >> > starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it begins March > >> > 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " > >> > > >> > What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am > >> > debating, and who to send them to. > >> > > >> > , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and auntie to > >> > (18).... in the house of TEENS! > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 This makes me chuckle...my son's SPED teacher also claims to only schedule IEP meetings for 1 hour. When I questioned her about the time limit she told me she would schedule longer if I wanted to waste her time...needless to say the meeting was almost 4 hours long and she couldn't complain because I had an Advocate and the school District intervention people there... Marcia Freeman CC: leslie-kerrigan@... From: michdock@... Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:51:35 -0700 Subject: Re: only 2 more months Also, in response to the 1 hr time limit, I would ask that they schedule a limit of 4 1 hr meetings if that is the way they have to do it because one hour will barely.get you past the introductions and the present level of performance! Sent from my iPad On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> wrote: > I will have to check on the IEP expiration date, but I requested that we > have it earlier this year because it was a transition year and I knew it > would go for more than one meeting. Does it have to be completed and > signed before the year is up, or just started? > > I can't find in IDEA a timeline/certain number of days for a > " continuation " meeting. Our district gives 30 days to hold an IEP > meeting at a parent's request (which I made March 21), but according to > a former RSP teacher of 's who we are personal friends with > now, she says " it's a gray area with the district, but certainly if > she's being denied FAPE, that's a problem. " Not sure I can demonstrate > she's being denied FAPE as everything is continuing as it always has. > But that's a way to explore as well. > > We had no idea that the general ed teacher wasn't coming. We started at > 2:45, with school being out at 3:10. So, I was OK with introductions, > procedural safeguards, etc. w/o the general ed teacher, and was told she > was coming (they often arrive a little late when school ends, so this > was not unusual.) Well, then at 3:20, I asked where she was (because I > figured that was enough time to get a bathroom break and get to the > IEP), I was told that " oh, there is a staff meeting this afternoon and > it was mandatory. " In hindsight, I should have said " well, we'll have > to reschedule for when everyone can be here " and left, but I was led to > believe that it was a brief meeting. And, as you can see, the case > manager has a difficult time scheduling meetings (because you know, > she's very busy) so I hated to walk away when everyone else was there. > We were still going over goals, met or not, so I figured, well, she'll > be here. Then, at 4, we're asking again, and turns out there was a > teacher's union meeting AFTER the staff meeting, and our general ed > teacher (the one we love, and would speak the best about 's > inclusion) was the president of the local teacher's union, so well, > she'd be here after that meeting because she had to run that meeting. > She did come when she had finished all the meetings and was willing to > stay for as long as it took, but we'd already wrapped up for this, so > she was happy to come back another day. > > I have drafted 3 different letters in response to " oops, the 24th won't > work for B. so we need to reschedule.... best laid plans " , all not > acceptable to send.... will look at them today with a night's sleep. I > am really trying to remove the nastiness that I feel towards this woman, > and " just the facts " but she's horrible, and if she were in the private > sector, she'd be unemployed for sure.... tenure is her friend. I will > make sure somewhere in this letter that I make sure they know we will > not meet if everyone is not there, and that we will not be excusing > anyone for any reason, so there will be no surprises. > > Thanks, > > > On 4/10/2012 8:05 AM, wrote: > > , What are the dates that her IEP runs to? Usually ours are > > held pretty close to the end of the 1yr. " expiration " date. If that > > is the case and her IEP has running out they are in noncompliance. > > Also, I know that when they receive the written request they have a > > certain number of days that they have to respond and then hold the i > > meeting. Check IDEA on that. I used to print out two copies of the > > letters, take them to the office and have them date and time stamp > > it, leave one copy with them and one copy went in my files. > > > > Also, I would not even consider holding the meeting if a school > > representative ( the one who can say yes or no, usually the principal) > > and the reg Ed teacher are there the WHOLE time. > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> wrote: > > > >> Thanks, getting out my glasses and that oh-so-tiny printed Procedural > >> Safeguards! > >> > >> > >> On 4/9/2012 7:10 PM, Moyers wrote: > >> > Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that they must > >> > set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for one. I > >> > think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what you are > >> > saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the right to > >> > call a meeting whenever you need to. > >> > Graham > >> > 832-816-7992 > >> > *From:* Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> > >> > *To:* < > >> <mailto: >> > >> > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM > >> > *Subject:* only 2 more months > >> > > >> > Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle > >> > school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the bitter end. > >> > > >> > Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet to see > >> > a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, > >> > ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can take to be > >> > scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? > >> > > >> > History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 hours, and > >> > still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), so at 5 > >> > pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, and then > >> > the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff > >> > meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was > >> > coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March > >> > 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start > >> > scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email stating > >> > it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On March > >> > 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we > >> > didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS > >> > placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) Today she > >> > emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now unable to > >> > attend and she'd let me know a new date. > >> > > >> > In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available > >> > online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: > >> > > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review the IEP > >> > > (not counting > >> > > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of > >> > > school vacation of > >> > > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, notify > >> > > the parent of the > >> > > need for a written request. > >> > > >> > So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock > >> > starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it begins March > >> > 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " > >> > > >> > What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am > >> > debating, and who to send them to. > >> > > >> > , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and auntie to > >> > (18).... in the house of TEENS! > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Wow, one very firm email later, the IEP (part 2) has been scheduled for May 7th for 2 whole hours! Need to decide if I will play nice or not... the IEP still " expires " on April 27th, CA State Ed Code (found it, yeah!) requires an IEP to be held w/in 30 days of a parent request (for a child already in special ed, no further assessments required, not counting school breaks or vacations in excess of 5 days)... my request was March 21st, so that deadline is April 23rd. But, you know, " they are sorry, but it's hard to get everyone together " ..... Sigh, love having you guys to vent to, probably prevents me from sending emails I shouldn't to teachers/administrators. I am still ticked though, when I read her email in response to my " very firm " email sent this morning, that stated why not having this scheduled by such and such date(s) put them in non-compliance (plus not having a general ed teacher at the meeting was also non-compliance) RSP's response: > > Hi , > > We have rescheduled the IEP for May 7^th from 2-4. Please accept my > apologies for the delay. We are in compliance. I will be sending > home the meeting notice this week. > Makes me want to reply " You are SO out of compliance, want me to file a complaint and have them investigate to prove it? " But I'm not going to :-) But I should! I AM going to ask for another meeting to get scheduled in case we are not finished.... I tried this last year and she refused, and then we were cramming to get part 2 scheduled by the end of the school year (last year was her triennial, with all those evals, etc., 2 hours... yeah right) Maybe this time she will... school ends 1 month from the meeting, so if we are taking 2 months to get a meeting schedule, will be well into her first semester of high school without a completed IEP! Hoping that the team at the high school is better.... I hear good things, so I'm hopeful! On 4/10/2012 1:51 PM, wrote: > Also, in response to the 1 hr time limit, I would ask that they > schedule a limit of 4 1 hr meetings if that is the way they have to > do it because one hour will barely.get you past the introductions and > the present level of performance! > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> wrote: > >> I will have to check on the IEP expiration date, but I requested that we >> have it earlier this year because it was a transition year and I knew it >> would go for more than one meeting. Does it have to be completed and >> signed before the year is up, or just started? >> >> I can't find in IDEA a timeline/certain number of days for a >> " continuation " meeting. Our district gives 30 days to hold an IEP >> meeting at a parent's request (which I made March 21), but according to >> a former RSP teacher of 's who we are personal friends with >> now, she says " it's a gray area with the district, but certainly if >> she's being denied FAPE, that's a problem. " Not sure I can demonstrate >> she's being denied FAPE as everything is continuing as it always has. >> But that's a way to explore as well. >> >> We had no idea that the general ed teacher wasn't coming. We started at >> 2:45, with school being out at 3:10. So, I was OK with introductions, >> procedural safeguards, etc. w/o the general ed teacher, and was told she >> was coming (they often arrive a little late when school ends, so this >> was not unusual.) Well, then at 3:20, I asked where she was (because I >> figured that was enough time to get a bathroom break and get to the >> IEP), I was told that " oh, there is a staff meeting this afternoon and >> it was mandatory. " In hindsight, I should have said " well, we'll have >> to reschedule for when everyone can be here " and left, but I was led to >> believe that it was a brief meeting. And, as you can see, the case >> manager has a difficult time scheduling meetings (because you know, >> she's very busy) so I hated to walk away when everyone else was there. >> We were still going over goals, met or not, so I figured, well, she'll >> be here. Then, at 4, we're asking again, and turns out there was a >> teacher's union meeting AFTER the staff meeting, and our general ed >> teacher (the one we love, and would speak the best about 's >> inclusion) was the president of the local teacher's union, so well, >> she'd be here after that meeting because she had to run that meeting. >> She did come when she had finished all the meetings and was willing to >> stay for as long as it took, but we'd already wrapped up for this, so >> she was happy to come back another day. >> >> I have drafted 3 different letters in response to " oops, the 24th won't >> work for B. so we need to reschedule.... best laid plans " , all not >> acceptable to send.... will look at them today with a night's sleep. I >> am really trying to remove the nastiness that I feel towards this woman, >> and " just the facts " but she's horrible, and if she were in the private >> sector, she'd be unemployed for sure.... tenure is her friend. I will >> make sure somewhere in this letter that I make sure they know we will >> not meet if everyone is not there, and that we will not be excusing >> anyone for any reason, so there will be no surprises. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> On 4/10/2012 8:05 AM, wrote: >> > , What are the dates that her IEP runs to? Usually ours are >> > held pretty close to the end of the 1yr. " expiration " date. If that >> > is the case and her IEP has running out they are in noncompliance. >> > Also, I know that when they receive the written request they have a >> > certain number of days that they have to respond and then hold the i >> > meeting. Check IDEA on that. I used to print out two copies of the >> > letters, take them to the office and have them date and time stamp >> > it, leave one copy with them and one copy went in my files. >> > >> > Also, I would not even consider holding the meeting if a school >> > representative ( the one who can say yes or no, usually the principal) >> > and the reg Ed teacher are there the WHOLE time. >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Kerrigan >> <leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...> >> > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>>> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks, getting out my glasses and that oh-so-tiny printed Procedural >> >> Safeguards! >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/9/2012 7:10 PM, Moyers wrote: >> >> > Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that they must >> >> > set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for one. I >> >> > think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what you are >> >> > saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the right to >> >> > call a meeting whenever you need to. >> >> > Graham >> >> > 832-816-7992 >> >> > *From:* Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...> >> >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>>> >> >> > *To:* < >> <mailto: > >> >> <mailto: <mailto: >>> >> >> > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM >> >> > *Subject:* only 2 more months >> >> > >> >> > Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle >> >> > school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the >> bitter end. >> >> > >> >> > Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet >> to see >> >> > a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, >> >> > ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can >> take to be >> >> > scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? >> >> > >> >> > History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 >> hours, and >> >> > still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), >> so at 5 >> >> > pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, >> and then >> >> > the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff >> >> > meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was >> >> > coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March >> >> > 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start >> >> > scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email >> stating >> >> > it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On >> March >> >> > 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we >> >> > didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS >> >> > placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) >> Today she >> >> > emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now >> unable to >> >> > attend and she'd let me know a new date. >> >> > >> >> > In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available >> >> > online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: >> >> > > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review >> the IEP >> >> > > (not counting >> >> > > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of >> >> > > school vacation of >> >> > > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, >> notify >> >> > > the parent of the >> >> > > need for a written request. >> >> > >> >> > So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock >> >> > starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it >> begins March >> >> > 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " >> >> > >> >> > What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am >> >> > debating, and who to send them to. >> >> > >> >> > , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and >> auntie to >> >> > (18).... in the house of TEENS! >> >> > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Put on your red, thigh high boots....The ones with the stiletto heels, and let nothing but sugar spout from your lips. They will expect you to be angry, keep them off balance! I would send an email thanking her for arranging the meeting because you know how hard it is with everyone's schedules. Oh, an by the way you do want to make sure the reg Ed teacher has no conflicts and is able to attend the whole meeting since her input is valuable. ( oh I love being witchy under the guise of kissing behinds!) I will tell you we had one 13 hour IEP meeting, over. 3 day period. Sent from my iPad On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> wrote: > Wow, one very firm email later, the IEP (part 2) has been scheduled for > May 7th for 2 whole hours! Need to decide if I will play nice or not... > the IEP still " expires " on April 27th, CA State Ed Code (found it, > yeah!) requires an IEP to be held w/in 30 days of a parent request (for > a child already in special ed, no further assessments required, not > counting school breaks or vacations in excess of 5 days)... my request > was March 21st, so that deadline is April 23rd. But, you know, " they > are sorry, but it's hard to get everyone together " ..... Sigh, love > having you guys to vent to, probably prevents me from sending emails I > shouldn't to teachers/administrators. > > I am still ticked though, when I read her email in response to my " very > firm " email sent this morning, that stated why not having this scheduled > by such and such date(s) put them in non-compliance (plus not having a > general ed teacher at the meeting was also non-compliance) RSP's response: > > > > Hi , > > > > We have rescheduled the IEP for May 7^th from 2-4. Please accept my > > apologies for the delay. We are in compliance. I will be sending > > home the meeting notice this week. > > > > Makes me want to reply " You are SO out of compliance, want me to file a > complaint and have them investigate to prove it? " But I'm not going to > :-) But I should! > > I AM going to ask for another meeting to get scheduled in case we are > not finished.... I tried this last year and she refused, and then we > were cramming to get part 2 scheduled by the end of the school year > (last year was her triennial, with all those evals, etc., 2 hours... > yeah right) Maybe this time she will... school ends 1 month from the > meeting, so if we are taking 2 months to get a meeting schedule, > will be well into her first semester of high school without a > completed IEP! > > Hoping that the team at the high school is better.... I hear good > things, so I'm hopeful! > > > > On 4/10/2012 1:51 PM, wrote: > > Also, in response to the 1 hr time limit, I would ask that they > > schedule a limit of 4 1 hr meetings if that is the way they have to > > do it because one hour will barely.get you past the introductions and > > the present level of performance! > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> wrote: > > > >> I will have to check on the IEP expiration date, but I requested that we > >> have it earlier this year because it was a transition year and I knew it > >> would go for more than one meeting. Does it have to be completed and > >> signed before the year is up, or just started? > >> > >> I can't find in IDEA a timeline/certain number of days for a > >> " continuation " meeting. Our district gives 30 days to hold an IEP > >> meeting at a parent's request (which I made March 21), but according to > >> a former RSP teacher of 's who we are personal friends with > >> now, she says " it's a gray area with the district, but certainly if > >> she's being denied FAPE, that's a problem. " Not sure I can demonstrate > >> she's being denied FAPE as everything is continuing as it always has. > >> But that's a way to explore as well. > >> > >> We had no idea that the general ed teacher wasn't coming. We started at > >> 2:45, with school being out at 3:10. So, I was OK with introductions, > >> procedural safeguards, etc. w/o the general ed teacher, and was told she > >> was coming (they often arrive a little late when school ends, so this > >> was not unusual.) Well, then at 3:20, I asked where she was (because I > >> figured that was enough time to get a bathroom break and get to the > >> IEP), I was told that " oh, there is a staff meeting this afternoon and > >> it was mandatory. " In hindsight, I should have said " well, we'll have > >> to reschedule for when everyone can be here " and left, but I was led to > >> believe that it was a brief meeting. And, as you can see, the case > >> manager has a difficult time scheduling meetings (because you know, > >> she's very busy) so I hated to walk away when everyone else was there. > >> We were still going over goals, met or not, so I figured, well, she'll > >> be here. Then, at 4, we're asking again, and turns out there was a > >> teacher's union meeting AFTER the staff meeting, and our general ed > >> teacher (the one we love, and would speak the best about 's > >> inclusion) was the president of the local teacher's union, so well, > >> she'd be here after that meeting because she had to run that meeting. > >> She did come when she had finished all the meetings and was willing to > >> stay for as long as it took, but we'd already wrapped up for this, so > >> she was happy to come back another day. > >> > >> I have drafted 3 different letters in response to " oops, the 24th won't > >> work for B. so we need to reschedule.... best laid plans " , all not > >> acceptable to send.... will look at them today with a night's sleep. I > >> am really trying to remove the nastiness that I feel towards this woman, > >> and " just the facts " but she's horrible, and if she were in the private > >> sector, she'd be unemployed for sure.... tenure is her friend. I will > >> make sure somewhere in this letter that I make sure they know we will > >> not meet if everyone is not there, and that we will not be excusing > >> anyone for any reason, so there will be no surprises. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> On 4/10/2012 8:05 AM, wrote: > >> > , What are the dates that her IEP runs to? Usually ours are > >> > held pretty close to the end of the 1yr. " expiration " date. If that > >> > is the case and her IEP has running out they are in noncompliance. > >> > Also, I know that when they receive the written request they have a > >> > certain number of days that they have to respond and then hold the i > >> > meeting. Check IDEA on that. I used to print out two copies of the > >> > letters, take them to the office and have them date and time stamp > >> > it, leave one copy with them and one copy went in my files. > >> > > >> > Also, I would not even consider holding the meeting if a school > >> > representative ( the one who can say yes or no, usually the principal) > >> > and the reg Ed teacher are there the WHOLE time. > >> > > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPad > >> > > >> > On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Kerrigan > >> <leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...> > >> > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>>> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Thanks, getting out my glasses and that oh-so-tiny printed Procedural > >> >> Safeguards! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 4/9/2012 7:10 PM, Moyers wrote: > >> >> > Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that they must > >> >> > set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for one. I > >> >> > think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what you are > >> >> > saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the right to > >> >> > call a meeting whenever you need to. > >> >> > Graham > >> >> > 832-816-7992 > >> >> > *From:* Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...> > >> >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>>> > >> >> > *To:* < > >> <mailto: > > >> >> <mailto: <mailto: >>> > >> >> > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM > >> >> > *Subject:* only 2 more months > >> >> > > >> >> > Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the middle > >> >> > school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the > >> bitter end. > >> >> > > >> >> > Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet > >> to see > >> >> > a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to review, > >> >> > ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can > >> take to be > >> >> > scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? > >> >> > > >> >> > History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 > >> hours, and > >> >> > still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), > >> so at 5 > >> >> > pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, > >> and then > >> >> > the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a staff > >> >> > meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if she was > >> >> > coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) On March > >> >> > 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start > >> >> > scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email > >> stating > >> >> > it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On > >> March > >> >> > 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, LOL, we > >> >> > didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS > >> >> > placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) > >> Today she > >> >> > emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now > >> unable to > >> >> > attend and she'd let me know a new date. > >> >> > > >> >> > In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available > >> >> > online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: > >> >> > > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review > >> the IEP > >> >> > > (not counting > >> >> > > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or days of > >> >> > > school vacation of > >> >> > > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, > >> notify > >> >> > > the parent of the > >> >> > > need for a written request. > >> >> > > >> >> > So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the clock > >> >> > starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it > >> begins March > >> >> > 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " > >> >> > > >> >> > What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am > >> >> > debating, and who to send them to. > >> >> > > >> >> > , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and > >> auntie to > >> >> > (18).... in the house of TEENS! > >> >> > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 LOL, forgot about the red boots! And I totally agree, although I want to say mean nasty things, off balance is the best way to go! Already sent two emails: a lovely email to the general ed teacher, letting her know the meeting date/time (in case Mrs. S hadn't told her yet) and that we really were looking forward to her being there on May 7th because her participation would provide such a valuable contribution to our discussion of classes and placement for next year (which IS true, this woman is a fan of having in her class, and is always saying how well she does.) And the second was to the RSP (ccing the team) thanking her for getting the meeting scheduled for May 7 AND for giving us 2 hours, and noting that although we really hoped to have everything done on the 7th, seeing that it was quite difficult to assemble this team, and with school ending just a month after the May 7th meeting, I would like for us to calendar another meeting, just in case, since it seemed unlikely that we'd be able to make that happen should we find ourselves in need of more time, come May 7th. I have asked for this in the past and got refusal, but given the circumstances, it will be interesting to see how she responds. Must print out the boots :-) Thanks ! On 4/10/2012 10:59 PM, wrote: > Put on your red, thigh high boots....The ones with the stiletto heels, > and let nothing but sugar spout from your lips. They will expect you > to be angry, keep them off balance! I would send an email thanking > her for arranging the meeting because you know how hard it is with > everyone's schedules. Oh, an by the way you do want to make sure the > reg Ed teacher has no conflicts and is able to attend the whole > meeting since her input is valuable. ( oh I love being witchy under > the guise of kissing behinds!) > > I will tell you we had one 13 hour IEP meeting, over. 3 day period. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> wrote: > >> Wow, one very firm email later, the IEP (part 2) has been scheduled for >> May 7th for 2 whole hours! Need to decide if I will play nice or not... >> the IEP still " expires " on April 27th, CA State Ed Code (found it, >> yeah!) requires an IEP to be held w/in 30 days of a parent request (for >> a child already in special ed, no further assessments required, not >> counting school breaks or vacations in excess of 5 days)... my request >> was March 21st, so that deadline is April 23rd. But, you know, " they >> are sorry, but it's hard to get everyone together " ..... Sigh, love >> having you guys to vent to, probably prevents me from sending emails I >> shouldn't to teachers/administrators. >> >> I am still ticked though, when I read her email in response to my " very >> firm " email sent this morning, that stated why not having this scheduled >> by such and such date(s) put them in non-compliance (plus not having a >> general ed teacher at the meeting was also non-compliance) RSP's >> response: >> > >> > Hi , >> > >> > We have rescheduled the IEP for May 7^th from 2-4. Please accept my >> > apologies for the delay. We are in compliance. I will be sending >> > home the meeting notice this week. >> > >> >> Makes me want to reply " You are SO out of compliance, want me to file a >> complaint and have them investigate to prove it? " But I'm not going to >> :-) But I should! >> >> I AM going to ask for another meeting to get scheduled in case we are >> not finished.... I tried this last year and she refused, and then we >> were cramming to get part 2 scheduled by the end of the school year >> (last year was her triennial, with all those evals, etc., 2 hours... >> yeah right) Maybe this time she will... school ends 1 month from the >> meeting, so if we are taking 2 months to get a meeting schedule, >> will be well into her first semester of high school without a >> completed IEP! >> >> Hoping that the team at the high school is better.... I hear good >> things, so I'm hopeful! >> >> >> >> On 4/10/2012 1:51 PM, wrote: >> > Also, in response to the 1 hr time limit, I would ask that they >> > schedule a limit of 4 1 hr meetings if that is the way they have to >> > do it because one hour will barely.get you past the introductions and >> > the present level of performance! >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Kerrigan >> <leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...> >> > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>>> >> wrote: >> > >> >> I will have to check on the IEP expiration date, but I requested >> that we >> >> have it earlier this year because it was a transition year and I >> knew it >> >> would go for more than one meeting. Does it have to be completed and >> >> signed before the year is up, or just started? >> >> >> >> I can't find in IDEA a timeline/certain number of days for a >> >> " continuation " meeting. Our district gives 30 days to hold an IEP >> >> meeting at a parent's request (which I made March 21), but >> according to >> >> a former RSP teacher of 's who we are personal friends with >> >> now, she says " it's a gray area with the district, but certainly if >> >> she's being denied FAPE, that's a problem. " Not sure I can demonstrate >> >> she's being denied FAPE as everything is continuing as it always has. >> >> But that's a way to explore as well. >> >> >> >> We had no idea that the general ed teacher wasn't coming. We >> started at >> >> 2:45, with school being out at 3:10. So, I was OK with introductions, >> >> procedural safeguards, etc. w/o the general ed teacher, and was >> told she >> >> was coming (they often arrive a little late when school ends, so this >> >> was not unusual.) Well, then at 3:20, I asked where she was (because I >> >> figured that was enough time to get a bathroom break and get to the >> >> IEP), I was told that " oh, there is a staff meeting this afternoon and >> >> it was mandatory. " In hindsight, I should have said " well, we'll have >> >> to reschedule for when everyone can be here " and left, but I was >> led to >> >> believe that it was a brief meeting. And, as you can see, the case >> >> manager has a difficult time scheduling meetings (because you know, >> >> she's very busy) so I hated to walk away when everyone else was there. >> >> We were still going over goals, met or not, so I figured, well, she'll >> >> be here. Then, at 4, we're asking again, and turns out there was a >> >> teacher's union meeting AFTER the staff meeting, and our general ed >> >> teacher (the one we love, and would speak the best about 's >> >> inclusion) was the president of the local teacher's union, so well, >> >> she'd be here after that meeting because she had to run that meeting. >> >> She did come when she had finished all the meetings and was willing to >> >> stay for as long as it took, but we'd already wrapped up for this, so >> >> she was happy to come back another day. >> >> >> >> I have drafted 3 different letters in response to " oops, the 24th >> won't >> >> work for B. so we need to reschedule.... best laid plans " , all not >> >> acceptable to send.... will look at them today with a night's sleep. I >> >> am really trying to remove the nastiness that I feel towards this >> woman, >> >> and " just the facts " but she's horrible, and if she were in the >> private >> >> sector, she'd be unemployed for sure.... tenure is her friend. I will >> >> make sure somewhere in this letter that I make sure they know we will >> >> not meet if everyone is not there, and that we will not be excusing >> >> anyone for any reason, so there will be no surprises. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/10/2012 8:05 AM, wrote: >> >> > , What are the dates that her IEP runs to? Usually ours are >> >> > held pretty close to the end of the 1yr. " expiration " date. If that >> >> > is the case and her IEP has running out they are in noncompliance. >> >> > Also, I know that when they receive the written request they have a >> >> > certain number of days that they have to respond and then hold the i >> >> > meeting. Check IDEA on that. I used to print out two copies of the >> >> > letters, take them to the office and have them date and time stamp >> >> > it, leave one copy with them and one copy went in my files. >> >> > >> >> > Also, I would not even consider holding the meeting if a school >> >> > representative ( the one who can say yes or no, usually the >> principal) >> >> > and the reg Ed teacher are there the WHOLE time. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPad >> >> > >> >> > On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Kerrigan >> >> <leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...> >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> >> >> > <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...> >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>>>> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks, getting out my glasses and that oh-so-tiny printed >> Procedural >> >> >> Safeguards! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/9/2012 7:10 PM, Moyers wrote: >> >> >> > Here in Texas, it is written in procedural safeguards that >> they must >> >> >> > set a date for an ARD meeting within 5 days of me asking for >> one. I >> >> >> > think yours are pretty much the same as ours and from what >> you are >> >> >> > saying, they are in violation. You are supposed to have the >> right to >> >> >> > call a meeting whenever you need to. >> >> >> > Graham >> >> >> > 832-816-7992 >> >> >> > *From:* Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@... >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...> >> >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>> >> >> >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@... >> <mailto:leslie-kerrigan@...>>>> >> >> >> > *To:* < >> <mailto: > >> >> <mailto: <mailto: >> >> >> >> <mailto: >> <mailto: > <mailto: >> <mailto: >>>> >> >> >> > *Sent:* Monday, April 9, 2012 2:20 PM >> >> >> > *Subject:* only 2 more months >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Only 2 more months with the horrific RSP/case manager at the >> middle >> >> >> > school. Yet she still continues to drive me insane, to the >> >> bitter end. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Question: IDEA states timelines for various things, but I've yet >> >> to see >> >> >> > a timeline for either parents who request an IEP meeting (to >> review, >> >> >> > ammend existing IEP), or how long a continuation meeting can >> >> take to be >> >> >> > scheduled for an annual review. Anybody have any idea? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > History: 's IEP began on March 14th. We met for 2 >> >> hours, and >> >> >> > still no general ed teacher had arrived (clear IDEA violation), >> >> so at 5 >> >> >> > pm we agreed to continue, signed the meeting attendance forms, >> >> and then >> >> >> > the general ed teacher arrived (she was required to attend a >> staff >> >> >> > meeting that afternoon, somehow RSP didn't check to see if >> she was >> >> >> > coming, just assumed she'd arrive after the staff meeting!) >> On March >> >> >> > 21st, I found out that the RSP had not even attempted to start >> >> >> > scheduling " part 2 " and I blew a gasket, sent a demanding email >> >> stating >> >> >> > it must be schedule by spring break, and occur by April 30th. On >> >> March >> >> >> > 26th, she replied that we would meet April 24th (for 1 hour, >> LOL, we >> >> >> > didn't even start on goals last time, and we have to discuss HS >> >> >> > placement.... let's just schedule part 3 while we're at it!) >> >> Today she >> >> >> > emailed that the program specialist (administrator) was now >> >> unable to >> >> >> > attend and she'd let me know a new date. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > In our district special ed policy and procedure manual (available >> >> >> > online, bet they with it wasn't!) it says: >> >> >> > > Within 30 days of a request in writing by a parent to review >> >> the IEP >> >> >> > > (not counting >> >> >> > > days between the pupils regular school sessions, terms, or >> days of >> >> >> > > school vacation of >> >> >> > > excess of 5 school days). If a parent makes an oral request, >> >> notify >> >> >> > > the parent of the >> >> >> > > need for a written request. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So, if we consider the meeting notes as written request, the >> clock >> >> >> > starts March 14th, if we consider my email the request, it >> >> begins March >> >> >> > 21st.... DEPENDING on how they define " review the IEP " >> >> >> > >> >> >> > What do you guys think? I've got several versions of emails I am >> >> >> > debating, and who to send them to. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > , mom to (16), (14 DS), Sammy (12) and >> >> auntie to >> >> >> > (18).... in the house of TEENS! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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