Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Hi. I don't know what is okay and not okay to post here. If I post a synopsis of `my story of my bedroom that has mold so high it can't be canted', I'm hoping I might be able to get some advice back re: suing, trying to get some money back, what for, what your experiences have been with it? Is this an appropriate forum? My e-mail ad is: herbivoresf@... wrote: There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Mold Article From: " billyslongtimefan " 2. Re: NanoMask From: " carondeen " 3. Re: Mold Article From: dottykalm 4. Re: Need HELP putting together package for LAWYER-so he'll accept my case From: dottykalm 5. I have some questions about what the ACAAI is doing. From: snk1955@... 6. Resource On Toxic Mold-Related Ills Granted Swift IRS Non-Profit Status From: " tigerpaw2c " 7. The people that are not telling the truth From: " ldelp84227 " 8. Re: NanoMask From: " barb1283 " 9. Re: construction From: " barb1283 " 10. Re: Low body temp - question From: " " 11. Re: Low body temp - question From: " pushcrash " 12. Re: Low body temp - question From: " pushcrash " 13. Re: Re: NanoMask From: Bill Kingsbury 14. Re: NanoMask From: " carondeen " 15. Re: recommended ICD-9 coding for mycotoxicosis From: " Croft " 16. Re: construction From: " carondeen " 17. Re: NanoMask From: " barb1283 " 18. Vinyl Pillow and mattress encasings From: " barb1283 " 19. Re: I have some questions about what the ACAAI is doing. From: ssr3351@... 20. Re: NanoMask From: " carondeen " 21. Re:nano-masks From: jeff@... 22. Re:nano-masks From: " carondeen " 23. Re: Re: Fwd: Exposure to Mold From: Marcie McGovern 24. Re:nano-masks /or ventilation From: " barb1283 " 25. Re: Re: Fwd: Exposure to Mold From: ssr3351@... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:33:25 -0000 From: " billyslongtimefan " Subject: Mold Article If you are interested, go to phoenixnewtimes.com I am the guy the article is about. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:06:14 -0000 From: " carondeen " Subject: Re: NanoMask This back and forth is tiresome. Maybe you could benefit from reading some of the archives on this issue, it would illucidate it better than I can- and yes there are mold spores everywhere- but not toxigenic ones > > There are always mold spores in any " interior " (except maybe > in industrial clean rooms). Leakage comes " around " the wall > -- through cracks AROUND the floor, windows, doors, lights, > switches, outlets, pipes, ducts, counters, and cabinets -- > easier than through the wall, although that is possible if > the wall's materials and finish are vapor permeable. > > > >, yet the people sick from mycotoxins from the colonies in the > >walls. I have had clothes tightly sealed in plastic inside > >locked trunks ruined by mycotoxins. and on and on. > > > Obviously: wrong type of plastic, and/or, wrong type of seal. > > Had you used vapor-impervious plastic, 100% heat-sealed closed, > there would have been no problem. > > Daily barometric-pressure changes and temperature changes > will cause " pumping " of gasses (including mycotoxins) into a > plastic bag (even inside a locked trunk), if the plastic is > not vapor-impervious, and the seal is not welded (heat-sealed) > 100% closed. > > > Bill > > > > > > --- > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dottykalm Subject: Re: Mold Article Jeff, great article. Sorry you have lost so much due to the mold, and also the school district evading their responsibilities. It seems to be happening to so many mold victims. My mold was in my condo, I have 100 color photos of the mold, but they are still saying I didn't have mold? Keep up your fighting spirit and try to get your health back! Judi --- billyslongtimefan wrote: > If you are interested, go to phoenixnewtimes.com I > am the guy the > article is about. > > > > > > __________________________________ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: dottykalm Subject: Re: Need HELP putting together package for LAWYER-so he'll accept my case I don't want to be discouraging, but it sounds like you should move as soon as possible. Also, in a lawsuit, you have to prove personal injury, and I don't think it sounds like you have much that would win a court case. You might be able to get your back rent, but even that will be difficult. Also, they will use your previous health records against you. It is a very long, difficult, uphill battle...and many of us have not gotten any justice. --- herbivoresf wrote: > Hi. I live in San Francisco, rent an apartment. I > already was > immune-compromised when I moved here. The room I > moved into had > visible mold, but the landlord said it was nothing > and to bleach it. > 6 years later I had a mold test done and it's toxic > mold so high that > the instruments can't even reach that high. > > I'm trying to get a lawyer to take my case for > back-rent and personal > injury. Unfortunately, my mold test is written > strangely, and unless > you read carefully you'd think there was nothing > wrong. I keep asking > them to re-write it, but they respond with `have the > lawyers call us > and we'll explain how we wrote the report). They > and my immunologist > have told me to get out of my room now, but no one's > willing to oput > their ass on the line. So, much of my package to > the lawyer will be > from friends and aquaintances who have seen me get > sicker when I enter > my room, and seen almost magical differences in me > when I go on > vacation. But, that's not enough for a lawyer. > > Is there anyone who has gone through a lawsuit who > could help me put > together an enticing package of materials so that a > lawyer will take me? > > Also interested in finding a toxicologist. > > Thanks so much! > > Harriet > > > > > > __________________________________ - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:41:09 EDT From: snk1955@... Subject: I have some questions about what the ACAAI is doing. I have some questions about what the ACAAI is doing: Existence of toxic mold syndrome questioned Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:35 PM BST By Will Boggs, MD NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Mold and dampness can cause coughing and wheezing, but there is little evidence to support the existence of the so-called toxic mold syndrome, according to a report by researchers at the Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland. 1. The Oregon Health guy is Dr. Bardana - Bardana is an allergist. How is he qualified to comment on toxic mold syndrome (mycotoxicoses)? This a poisoning. Not an allergy. Toxic mold syndrome -- illnesses caused specifically by exposure to mold -- continues to cause public concern despite a lack of evidence that supports its existence, researchers explain in the September issue of the ls of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology. 2. Isn't the above an incorect statement? TMS is not caused " specifically by exposure to mold " . It is caused by exposure to toxins that some molds produce. If one is not able to understand and report on the difference, are they qualified to comment on toxic effects? Several critical reviews have failed to find scientific support for toxic effects from breathing in mold spores as a viable mechanism of human disease, they add. 3. What causes blastomycoses, crytocoximycoses, hystoplasmosis, and hypersensitivity pneumonitis? Dr. Barzin Khalili and Dr. Emil J. Bardana, Jr. describe the clinical characteristics of 50 patients with complaints of illness they attributed to mold exposure in their home or workplace. The patients had been referred by a defense attorney in a civil litigation or by insurance adjusters representing worker's compensation agencies. 4. Could there be any bias in these evaluations by physicians retained by representatives of the defendants in the litigation? What did the report by the plantiff's treating physician say? There was no consistent set of symptoms, the authors report, with patients having an average of more than eight symptoms. Most patients reported a family or personal history of allergy or asthma. 5. If people are reporting a history of allergy or asthma, wouldn't these be the same people who are being warned that they are most susceptible to illness from mold exposure? Three quarters of the patients had abnormal physical examination results, the researchers note, with inflammation of the eye or skin and congestion occurring most commonly. 6. So 37 people showed symptoms, even from an examination by physicians hired by the defense. What did the exam by the plantiff physicians show? What is an " abnormal physical exam " ? What about the other 13 of the 50 that were evaluated? Thirty patients had other non-mold-related illnesses that could explain most, if not all, of their mold-related complaints, the report indicates, and nearly two thirds of the individuals had evidence of a previously diagnosed mood disorder. 7. 30 people were apparently already somewhat immunocompromised in some form and degree of severity. Aren't those who already have weakened immune systems most vunerable to mold induced illnesses? What is the explanation for the other 20? " In fact, " the investigators write, " when the entire history and objective evidence were scrutinized, a number of well-established and plausible diagnoses emerged that explained many, if not all, the complaints. " 8. Explained " many if not all " . Does that mean even this report that only looked at 50 cases that went to court (easy ones settle, so bias is already there) could not explain all? Does this also mean that these illnesses could be ruled out as caused by mold/toxins or that many of the symptoms of 30 out of 50 (or 60%) could possibly be explained by something else in addition to mold and toxins? Am I reading this right? 100% of the illnesses could not be ruled out as caused by mold exposure, but 60% of those could possibly have another explanation? In a commentary in the journal, Dr. Abba I. Terr from UCSF Medical Center, San Francisco contends that toxic mold disease is " the latest in a series of environmentally related pseudo-illnesses " that include multiple chemical sensitivity, also known as idiopathic environmental intolerance, and chronic fatigue syndrome, which was attributed at one time to infection with Epstein-Barr virus. 9. Dr. Abba Terr is also and allergist. What are his qualifications to make psychological evaluations? What are his qualifications to rule out the effects of toxins as a cause of illness? How would one explain all the peer reviewed current scientific evidence from major university studies that indicate a strong corrilation between mold/toxin exposure and the illnesses thousands of people are complaining of? Are all these researchers and average citizens just liars and whiners out to get money from the insurance industry? " Since these authors have determined that the patients they describe do not have a mold-related disease but are nevertheless seeking compensation for presumed illness through a legal process that has defined it in those terms, toxic mold disease is truly a diagnosis of litigation, " Terr concludes. 10. These researcher did not establish people don't have mold-related disease. There merely established in some cases, other explanations were possible. I would have to partially agree with this statement though. These allergists are truly writing about a diagnosis of litigation. What this report does not say is that allergist Bardana is a prolific expert witness in mold litigation, is President of the ACAAI and that and ls of Allergy Asthma and Immunology is the official publication of the ACAAI. Terr is also an allergist member of the ACAAI. As is allergist Marshall who has a grant from Ole Miss to study the " psychological impacts " of stress from Katrina on mold victims. Gee, wonder what the conclusions will be? To me, this garbledy goop is just further evidence that the contention in our courtrooms stifles the medical understanding, which makes it harder for people to find proper medical care, which increases their damages, which adds to the contention in the courtroom, which stifles the medical understanding, which..... Because of the way the medical community is currently operating, this is a never ending vicious circle. Mold litigation is going to be around for a long time. And people's lives are going to be unnecessarily devastated. 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Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Your at the right place.We will help anyway we can. > > > Hi. I live in San Francisco, rent an apartment. I > > already was > > immune-compromised when I moved here. The room I > > moved into had > > visible mold, but the landlord said it was nothing > > and to bleach it. > > 6 years later I had a mold test done and it's toxic > > mold so high that > > the instruments can't even reach that high. > > > > I'm trying to get a lawyer to take my case for > > back-rent and personal > > injury. Unfortunately, my mold test is written > > strangely, and unless > > you read carefully you'd think there was nothing > > wrong. I keep asking > > them to re-write it, but they respond with `have the > > lawyers call us > > and we'll explain how we wrote the report). They > > and my immunologist > > have told me to get out of my room now, but no one's > > willing to oput > > their ass on the line. So, much of my package to > > the lawyer will be > > from friends and aquaintances who have seen me get > > sicker when I enter > > my room, and seen almost magical differences in me > > when I go on > > vacation. But, that's not enough for a lawyer. > > > > Is there anyone who has gone through a lawsuit who > > could help me put > > together an enticing package of materials so that a > > lawyer will take me? > > > > Also interested in finding a toxicologist. > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Harriet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ ___ > _____________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:41:09 EDT > From: snk1955@a... > Subject: I have some questions about what the ACAAI is doing. > > > I have some questions about what the ACAAI is doing: > Existence of toxic mold syndrome questioned > Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:35 PM BST > By Will Boggs, MD > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Mold and dampness can cause > coughing and wheezing, but there is little evidence to > support the existence of the so-called toxic mold syndrome, > according to a report by researchers at the Oregon Health > Sciences University in Portland. > 1. The Oregon Health guy is Dr. Bardana - Bardana is an > allergist. How is he qualified to comment on toxic mold > syndrome (mycotoxicoses)? This a poisoning. Not an allergy. > Toxic mold syndrome -- illnesses caused specifically by > exposure to mold -- continues to cause public concern > despite a lack of evidence that supports its existence, > researchers explain in the September issue of the ls of > Allergy, Asthma & Immunology. > 2. Isn't the above an incorect statement? TMS is not > caused " specifically by exposure to mold " . It is caused by > exposure to toxins that some molds produce. If one is not > able to understand and report on the difference, are they qualified to > comment on toxic effects? > Several critical reviews have failed to find scientific > support for toxic effects from breathing in mold spores as a > viable mechanism of human disease, they add. > 3. What causes blastomycoses, crytocoximycoses, > hystoplasmosis, and hypersensitivity pneumonitis? > Dr. Barzin Khalili and Dr. Emil J. Bardana, Jr. describe > the clinical characteristics of 50 patients with complaints > of illness they attributed to mold exposure in their home > or workplace. The patients had been referred by a defense > attorney in a civil litigation or by insurance adjusters > representing worker's compensation agencies. > 4. Could there be any bias in these evaluations by > physicians retained by representatives of the defendants in > the litigation? What did the report by the plantiff's treating physician > say? > There was no consistent set of symptoms, the authors > report, with patients having an average of more than eight > symptoms. Most patients reported a family or personal > history of allergy or asthma. > 5. If people are reporting a history of allergy or asthma, > wouldn't these be the same people who are being warned that > they are most susceptible to illness from mold exposure? > Three quarters of the patients had abnormal physical > examination results, the researchers note, with > inflammation of the eye or skin and congestion occurring > most commonly. > 6. So 37 people showed symptoms, even from an examination by > physicians hired by the defense. What did the exam by the > plantiff physicians show? What is an " abnormal physical exam " ? > What about the other 13 of the 50 that were evaluated? > Thirty patients had other non-mold-related illnesses that > could explain most, if not all, of their mold-related > complaints, the report indicates, and nearly two thirds of > the individuals had evidence of a previously diagnosed mood > disorder. > 7. 30 people were apparently already somewhat immunocompromised in > some form and degree of severity. Aren't those who already have weakened > immune systems most vunerable to mold induced illnesses? What is the > explanation > for the other 20? > " In fact, " the investigators write, " when the entire > history and objective evidence were scrutinized, a number > of well-established and plausible diagnoses emerged that > explained many, if not all, the complaints. " > 8. Explained " many if not all " . Does that mean even this > report that only looked at 50 cases that went to court (easy ones settle, so > bias is already there) could not explain all? Does this also mean that these > illnesses could be ruled out as caused by mold/toxins or that > many of the symptoms of 30 out of 50 (or 60%) could possibly > be explained by something else in addition to mold and toxins? > Am I reading this right? 100% of the illnesses could not be ruled out as > caused by mold exposure, but 60% of those could possibly have another > explanation? > In a commentary in the journal, Dr. Abba I. Terr from UCSF > Medical Center, San Francisco contends that toxic mold > disease is " the latest in a series of environmentally > related pseudo-illnesses " that include multiple chemical > sensitivity, also known as idiopathic environmental > intolerance, and chronic fatigue syndrome, which was > attributed at one time to infection with Epstein-Barr virus. > 9. Dr. Abba Terr is also and allergist. What are his > qualifications to make psychological evaluations? What are > his qualifications to rule out the effects of toxins as a > cause of illness? How would one explain all the peer > reviewed current scientific evidence from major university > studies that indicate a strong corrilation between mold/toxin > exposure and the illnesses thousands of people are > complaining of? Are all these researchers and average citizens just liars > and whiners out to get money from the insurance industry? > " Since these authors have determined that the patients they > describe do not have a mold-related disease but are > nevertheless seeking compensation for presumed illness > through a legal process that has defined it in those terms, > toxic mold disease is truly a diagnosis of litigation, " > Terr concludes. > 10. These researcher did not establish people don't have mold- related > disease. There merely established in some cases, other explanations were possible. > I would have to partially agree with this statement though. These allergists > are truly writing about a diagnosis of > litigation. > What this report does not say is that allergist Bardana is a > prolific expert witness in mold litigation, is President of > the ACAAI and that and ls of Allergy Asthma and > Immunology is the official publication of the ACAAI. Terr is > also an allergist member of the ACAAI. As is allergist > Marshall who has a grant from Ole Miss to study > the " psychological impacts " of stress from Katrina on mold victims. Gee, > wonder what the conclusions will be? > To me, this garbledy goop is just further evidence that the contention in our > courtrooms stifles the medical understanding, which makes it harder for > people to find proper medical care, which increases their damages, which adds to > the contention in the courtroom, which stifles the medical understanding, > which..... > Because of the way the medical community is currently operating, this is a > never ending vicious circle. Mold litigation is going to be around for a long > time. And people's lives are going to be unnecessarily devastated. > Sharon > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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