Katrina Cough

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>

> Whoa - I was bowled over when I read this article !!!

> People getting sick just from DRIVING through affected (moldy) areas

in New

> Orleans.

>

What do they expect to happen with all that mold blowing everywhere. I

guess the CDC is watching closly to count the people that get sick.

Criminal,

[Guest guest]

You mean I bet the CDC is looking the other way on how many people are getting

sick!!!!!

I will be surprised if they actually say anything close to the truth.

Marcie

ldelp84227 <ldelp84227@...> wrote:

>

> Whoa - I was bowled over when I read this article !!!

> People getting sick just from DRIVING through affected (moldy) areas

in New

> Orleans.

>

What do they expect to happen with all that mold blowing everywhere. I

guess the CDC is watching closly to count the people that get sick.

Criminal,

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Gotta say - I'm not bowled over at all. This is exactly what I expected to be

hearing, unfortunately. What would suppose would happen when you have the

insides of the buildings (the wet, moldy drywall) on the outside? Buildings

don't grow mold - building MATERIALS grow mold. All those spores came IN with

organic materials that naturally occur outdoors. And now, thanks to the flooding

and demolition, they're back outdoors again - by the cubic ton.

We've been told that indoor conditions that are optimal for humans are just as

optimal for many kinds of mold, and that's turning out to be really fallacious

thinking. It creates this impression that there's some kind of natural symbiosis

between humans and mold, when the fact is that nothing could be further from the

truth. They aren't just part of the whole life cycle. They're competing

species. They eat what we eat (glucose), and they want the space we use. If we

die, they eat US. If they can, they kill us AND eat us. Pardon me for being

politically incorrect here, but that is NOT symbiosis! So, when we brought them

indoors with us by using materials impregnated with spores, we were courting

disaster. We don't invite roaches or rats or mice to live with us because they

are also competing species that bring disease and would take over at any

opportunity. So why we bring fungi in is something only Georgia Pacific can

answer. There are millions of tons of contaminated building

materials just laying around all over the place down there. So you have perfect

conditions for mold, but not for humans. So they win. Game over. You couldn't

pay me to drive through there now.

They keep going on about drying things out a.s.a.p., completely ignoring the

fact that toxigenic molds produce endotoxins when their survival is threatened -

i.e., competing with other species for food and space, or because they are

drying out. It's kind of a catch-22. If it stays wet, it grows, if it gets dry,

it poisons you - with inorganic chemicals that stick to all kinds of surfaces

and remain toxic for nobody-even-knows how many years. So you remove it,

to...where, exactly? It's everywhere there now, indoors and out, because it's

found a near-perfect habitat.

I don't think I'm being unduly alarmist about this. This is a VERY different

scenario that having a single contaminated building to deal with. Metro New

Orleans is to mold what Chernobyl is to radioactivity. Or maybe it's more like

trying to live at the bottom of the ocean - sure, you could do it with the right

equipment, and if you keet the water out. (Where have we heard this before?) And

if fish have a sense of humor, they'll be laughing their tails off and waiting

for you to eventually become dinner. As humans, our adaptability as a species is

exceeded only by our foolishness in trying to adapt counter to our own best odds

for survival. A wiser animal will just seek out a more congenial habitat.

" Oh - wet drywall? Here - have some brand new fresh dry spores. I mean,

" DRYwall " . Ohhhh, you have pipes full of water in there? and you live below sea

level? Well, don't get it wet, now....no, really. Just...don't get it wet. Yes,

we have the new kind. It's got fiberglass on the outside....no, that's right.

It's still got spores on the inside.But it's new and improved....no, you still

can't get it wet....That's right ma'am. Yes, you're going to put holes in it

with nails....uh-huh.....yes, I do suppose you'd be nailing it to some

wood....yes, the paper we used to use is also made from wood, but its not the

same....well, I don't know, ma'am. The spec sheet doesn't really say anything

about that....I see your point, ma'am, but all I'm saying is....well... don't

get it wet....well, maybe it's a little but like in " Gremlins " ...I really don't

know, ma'am. I just work here, and they told me to tell you not to get it

wet... "

And that's why you see television interviews with one-armed shark researchers.

Now, if they could just manage to figure out that this isn't all allergy, we'd

really be getting somewhere...

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" People who are actually going into the destroyed residences are having a more

severe time of it, " he said. " But I've also seen some patients who have not

actually engaged in that but have started having symptoms just after driving

through some of the affected areas. "

Several agencies have launched efforts to determine the scope of the problem.

The CDC is working with state health officials in Louisiana and Mississippi to

" see if it's more common than would be expected in a normal situation, " Redd

said. The CDC also will track records of healthcare facilities to determine if

there is an " unusual pattern of illness, " he said.

" We are being watchful, " said Bernadette Burden, a CDC spokeswoman in Atlanta.

" Everything is very much in the infancy stage. "

Serena

(Drywall Casserole with Gummint Cheese. It's what's for dinner!)

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[Guest guest]

> I don't think I'm being unduly alarmist about this. This is a VERY different

scenario that

having a single contaminated building to deal with. Metro New Orleans is to mold

what

Chernobyl is to radioactivity. Or maybe it's more like trying to live at the

bottom of the

ocean - sure, you could do it with the right equipment, and if you keet the

water out.

(Where have we heard this before?) And if fish have a sense of humor, they'll be

laughing

their tails off and waiting for you to eventually become dinner. As humans, our

adaptability as a species is exceeded only by our foolishness in trying to adapt

counter to

our own best odds for survival. A wiser animal will just seek out a more

congenial habitat.

>

For a GREAT discussion of this topic, see " Control of Nature " by Mc Phee,

1989.

I agree about the competing species idea. It's us or them, we can't kill 'em

all, anyway, so

why not get outta Dodge? It's not symbiosis, it is parasitism.

Oh, and I read some blurb about types of housing and asthma. It seems that

asthmatics

that live in cement houses have far less problems that those in wooden

structues. I don't

thik they made any guesses why, but it seems fairly obvious.

kathryn

[Guest guest]

>

> Whoa - I was bowled over when I read this article !!!

> People getting sick just from DRIVING through affected (moldy) areas

in New

> Orleans.

>> " People who are actually going into the destroyed residences are

having a more severe time of it, " he said. " But I've also seen some

patients who have not actually engaged in that but have started having

symptoms just after driving through some of the affected areas. " " <<

I am not surprised by this at all. Large areas in the outdoors can be

contaminated if there's a source of mold contamination in the area.

Things that people wouldn't usually think of might serve as mold

carriers - trams, busses, cars, lamp posts... and they can spread

contamination hundreds of meters around themselves. And just because

all this sounds silly and trivial it won't make it any less real.

In 2002 one of the bigger streets in the city I live in was being

renovated (they dug it deep and overhauled it completely). Once I

passed through that area I got so contaminated that I'm still feeling

the effects, some of which much more serious than coughing.

My conjecture is that the mold spores and their toxins were released

into the air, and objects that happened to be nearby (such as public

transport vehicles) became carriers of mold and spread it through the

air to a much wider area.

I'm outraged by the fact that all this CAN be scientifically proven.

It can be measured qualitatively and quantitatively to the minutest

details. The equipment does exist. But for some reason too many

'experts' still claim the opposite. They might just as well say that

bacterial and viral infections are not caused by bacteria and viruses

but by evil ghosts. Indeed why not? They wouldn't miss the mark any

more than when they claim mold isn't dangerous unless it's overflowing

in your bathroom.

Serious scientists need to look into this problem. Yes, mycotoxins are

very complex organic compounds, some of them are terribly hard to

decompose, it's probably not appealing to work with such substances,

but that's no excuse not to study them. If there's money to send

probes to Jupiter then there must be money to study organisms and

substances here on Earth which pose serious threat to human health.

Let's see what REALLY happens when a human being is exposed to

mycotoixns or toxic mold spores even in very small amounts. Let's stop

attributing everything to the obscure term " allergy " or even worse to

" it's all in your head " monstrosity.

[Guest guest]

> In 2002 one of the bigger streets in the city I live in was being

renovated (they dug it deep and overhauled it completely). Once I

passed through that area I got so contaminated that I'm still

feeling the effects, some of which much more serious than coughing. <

Branislav, this is exactly what happened to Dr D in 2002.

The streets of Minden were torn up and this liberated an incredible

plume that ran for several blocks but was spread far wider by

traffic moving through the area.

Just standing next to Dr D's car knocked me flat.

I have a few interesting stories of illnesses in that community such

as the " Pau Wa Lu School " .

Even though that area has settled down a great deal since then, Dr D

still avoids it as much as possible. It is difficult to develope

much trust in an area that was so devastating at some point in time.

It took a great deal of concerted avoidance to get Dr D functional

and able to work again.

To survive mycotoxin reactivity with any degree of confidence, it is

necessary to develope the ability to perceive the exposure and

respond quickly without reliance upon " tests " and " expert opinions " .

You're pretty much on your own with this.

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Branislay,

This happen also in the State of Florida most just doesn't know what the smell

is and what it's doing to their body I don't care if you may Think I'm Crazy.

Me I would want to be safe than sorry something in the Air-condition system in

Building we eat from the hold 9 yards it's not safe and it going into the air

out side. Jobs, Schools, Driving through walking, or just passing through it's

making people ILL, I ask don't take my word investigate this is why the below

story happen to me last year also doing the Hurricane the Media pressured me

into a new School they wanted to know if mold was there they know this Toxin was

there they needed proof . they also know that if any one could tell them it was

me, I was used long story for this I didn't mine. but see below story it explain

some of what I mean about my Illness and the Spray that someone sprays me with

it's the same thing in the AC!?.

If any one ask themselves why would any one do such a thing I would say! the

same reason they don't want to admit to the mold and now they see the Hurricane

as a Good way out of all the unfilled Lawsuit!?.

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> > In 2002 one of the bigger streets in the city I live in was being

> renovated (they dug it deep and overhauled it completely). Once I

> passed through that area I got so contaminated that I'm still

> feeling the effects, some of which much more serious than coughing. <

>

> Branislav, this is exactly what happened to Dr D in 2002.

> The streets of Minden were torn up and this liberated an incredible

> plume that ran for several blocks but was spread far wider by

> traffic moving through the area.

> Just standing next to Dr D's car knocked me flat.

> I have a few interesting stories of illnesses in that community such

> as the " Pau Wa Lu School " .

> Even though that area has settled down a great deal since then, Dr D

> still avoids it as much as possible. It is difficult to develope

> much trust in an area that was so devastating at some point in time.

> It took a great deal of concerted avoidance to get Dr D functional

> and able to work again.

I also visited the street in question in 2003 and found that it was

almost completely free of contamination. Unfortunately decontamination

of personal belongings wasn't easy and I had to throw away most things.

Recently the renovation of another major street has begun, and since

it's practically in the very center it will be very hard to avoid it.

I sense big trouble especially if it's contaminated with the same

nasty species of mold. I just pray that the scenario from 2002 doesn't

repeat this time.

Btw. Pardon my ignorance, I'm relatively new to this group, but who is

Dr D?

> To survive mycotoxin reactivity with any degree of confidence, it is

> necessary to develope the ability to perceive the exposure and

> respond quickly without reliance upon " tests " and " expert opinions " .

> You're pretty much on your own with this.

> -

Oh, I know that very well . I never relied on any tests or expert

opinions - in fact there aren't any whatsoever. What I wrote in the

previous post was my hope that one day it will be common practice to

perform tests for mold spores and mycotoxins in areas that are suspect

and then inform the general public through the Internet, TV, papers etc.

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> > You're pretty much on your own with this.

> > -

>

>

> Oh, I know that very well . I never relied on any tests or

expert opinions - in fact there aren't any whatsoever. What I wrote

in the previous post was my hope that one day it will be common

practice to perform tests for mold spores and mycotoxins in areas

that are suspect and then inform the general public through the

Internet, TV, papers etc.

>

I don't see how this could be done, even if the areas involved

WANTED to cooperate - which they do not as this would be

economically self destructive. Spore plumes are as changeable as

the winds and can lash out in a matter of mere moments over vastly

diverse directions.

Not only that, but unaffected people would not see the need for such

warnings and would not allow " undue alarm " over a condition that

doesn't bother them.

Dr D is someone I saw descending into mold reactivity in 1999 and

tried to intervene. I continually warned her that she was showing

all the signs of moving closer to " hitting the wall " and that if she

didn't limit exposure, she was going to wind up hypersensitive just

like me.

But people simply cannot believe how bad this is until it happens

to them. We all like to think that if we take care of ourselves,

such a bizarre thing will not happen. After she collapsed, she told

me " It's just like you said. Worse than I could imagine " and she

wishes she'd taken my adviced to bail out - because it was forced

upon her anyway, and much pain and enduring trouble would have never

have happened.

But I WAS able to drag her out to the desert and show her " avoidance

protocols " . She's now like me. Able to function and appear normal

as long as she maintains a high standard of avoidance on a moment to

moment basis.

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