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[Guest guest]

Lori:

Boy can I relate to what you're going through. I'm kind of in the same

place myself. I started an SSRI and some talk therapy for myself, and am

coming to realize that it's okay to feel pretty darn mad about the way my

life has turned out -- 1 spouse with OCD/MD, 11 yo with OCD, PDD, ADHD, MD,

LD; one 18 yo going off to college; one 16 yo sullen teenager. Plus

working full-time and having to be the only full-time parent, bill payer,

and dealer with all the bad guys out there (insurance, docs, schools,

ignorant people, etc.) :-) As Kathy and are constantly reminding

us, we need to take care of ourselves, too. I have begun -- just begun --

to start laying some boundaries about what I will and won't do. Hardest is

finding time for myself. I try to meet with other mom's of kids with NBDs

one a week or every other week. And occasionally I lose it and scream --

like Wed night. But we all go on, and this list is a godsend. I send you

warm hugs and lots of good thoughts.

Jule in Cleveland

[Guest guest]

Lori:

Boy can I relate to what you're going through. I'm kind of in the same

place myself. I started an SSRI and some talk therapy for myself, and am

coming to realize that it's okay to feel pretty darn mad about the way my

life has turned out -- 1 spouse with OCD/MD, 11 yo with OCD, PDD, ADHD, MD,

LD; one 18 yo going off to college; one 16 yo sullen teenager. Plus

working full-time and having to be the only full-time parent, bill payer,

and dealer with all the bad guys out there (insurance, docs, schools,

ignorant people, etc.) :-) As Kathy and are constantly reminding

us, we need to take care of ourselves, too. I have begun -- just begun --

to start laying some boundaries about what I will and won't do. Hardest is

finding time for myself. I try to meet with other mom's of kids with NBDs

one a week or every other week. And occasionally I lose it and scream --

like Wed night. But we all go on, and this list is a godsend. I send you

warm hugs and lots of good thoughts.

Jule in Cleveland

[Guest guest]

HI:

Mamimiz: I really like your observation:

>We are really a lot nicer than that slave driver in her head.

What helped me was to take a tip from what I had learned in my cancer wars:

live in the present and try not to hanker after the past or fret about the

future. That way when Steve could do something I worried he might not, I

learned to celebrate that he did it and reward him for it. When he

couldn't do something I worried he might not, I worked at not fretting

about his " failure " as it was at least not a rude surprise. Then I learned

to remind myself that just because he couldn't do it today, that did not

mean he would not be able to do it the next day. That way I tricked myself

into stopping worrying about his inability that day and look forward to the

next time when maybe.....

Good luck, I hope some of the grief will become more muted soon, take care,

aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 10:38 PM 03/24/2000 EST, you wrote:

>From: Mamimiz@...

>

>Lori. I know how you feel. I walk around with a sense of sadness. When my

>daughter makes it to school I feel better, when she doesn't I'm upset the

>whole day. Each morning I sit on the edge of my seat- will she make it or

>won't she? No one would know it- I put on a good front. The pain is quite

>profound. I'm sure if I wasn't on St. 's Wort I would be very depressed.

> I have made a vow to put the onus on her to get well. Whenver I have

an

>opportunity I ask her to behave in a responsible way because most of the

time

>she does not. This includes getting to school on time or she does not go, a

>couple of chores, obeying punishments (very hard for her - she is

>oppositional) and expecting her to act civilly in our household (she can be

>volatile).

> This is very different than the way she was in middle school- a

straight

>A honors student. We didn't put too many restrictions on her because she

did

>well in school. Unbeknownst to us, she was struggling with perfectionistic

>OCD which explained the straight As. By high school, she got burnt out and

>just began avoiding responsibilities. By setting these limits (and it is

not

>easy), I feel like she is learning a better mechanism of control- not by the

>strict demons in her head. We are really a lot nicer than that slave driver

>in her head. I hope the external structure helps her learn appropriate

>limits- not too exacting but not too lax.

> I hope this helps. Expect your daughter to begin helping herself.

>

>Mamimiz

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori ... my younger son takes Klonopin for his Tourettes Syndrome. For the

first 3 months that he was on it the doctor had me call him every two weeks

and see him every month without for a few min then with .

After a while I asked what about the Klonopin made the monitoring so

necessary. They told me that Klonopin can occasionally cause depression and

when it hits it can hit fast and hard. So it very well may be the Klonopin.

Hope that helps.

Peggikaye ... Oklahoma

[Guest guest]

That's what klonipin did to my son--real bad depression.

Judy

mom2tazbug@... wrote:

>

> Hi Lori ... my younger son takes Klonopin for his Tourettes Syndrome.

> For the

> first 3 months that he was on it the doctor had me call him every two

> weeks

> and see him every month without for a few min then with

> .

> After a while I asked what about the Klonopin made the monitoring so

> necessary. They told me that Klonopin can occasionally cause

> depression and

> when it hits it can hit fast and hard. So it very well may be the

> Klonopin.

> Hope that helps.

>

> Peggikaye ... Oklahoma

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Judy,

Did Dr. give any other ideas for relaxation when anxiety is high? It is hard to

know and

if you don't have an appt. you have to research. Everyone on this list has to

be

talented in research. I learn more from the internet and this list about meds

and ocd.

I wonder how much her Dr really know?

Thanks

Lori

" Judith C. Lovchik " wrote:

> That's what klonipin did to my son--real bad depression.

>

> Judy

>

> mom2tazbug@... wrote:

> >

> > Hi Lori ... my younger son takes Klonopin for his Tourettes Syndrome.

> > For the

> > first 3 months that he was on it the doctor had me call him every two

> > weeks

> > and see him every month without for a few min then with

> > .

> > After a while I asked what about the Klonopin made the monitoring so

> > necessary. They told me that Klonopin can occasionally cause

> > depression and

> > when it hits it can hit fast and hard. So it very well may be the

> > Klonopin.

> > Hope that helps.

> >

> > Peggikaye ... Oklahoma

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Hi Lori:

Did you doc suggest any other meds for the increased depression? How long

has Krysti been on the 150 mg of Zoloft?

It is a very hard time when meds are being adjusted and symptoms are

worsening. YOu are doing a good job to be able to focus on stopping

enabling and keep it all together.

If you are worried bout Krysti's depression getting worse please contact

her p-doc immediately. It is a good idea to talk about the danger of

depression and self-harm. It does not increase the likelihood of suicide

and you can get a reliable assessment of her mood and decide what needs to

be done. Depression is very treatable and I am sure your doc can help with

adjusting her meds. You are helping Krysti by taking action with her docs

and by keeping watch over her and how she is coping. Please keep us all

posted how she is doing with the depression. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 06:31 PM 04/13/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Kathy,

>Krysti has been put on .5 Klonopin for about 3 weeks now. Her zoloft is

upped to 150

>mg. She has totally taken a turn down since. Her depression has become

great. She

>doesn't leave her room and has so many new compulsions. Her and I walk

every evening and

>she talks but not in a very happy way. I called the Dr. today and she

told us to get her

>off the Klonopin right away. Krysti is so upset because she has a routine

w/ her meds

>and now says she won't sleep tonight. She started crying which is about

every other hour

>now. I do believe it is the Klonopin. Has anyone else experienced this?

We also have

>had a person staying w/ us (friend-nice) for 3 weeks until they can get a

vehicle. I

>know this has upset her routine. The thing is he is never here until late

because he

>farms after work. She really likes him and they do a lot together w/ her

sister. We

>have said he must go by this weekend. It is so hard because he has been a

lot of fun,

>but because of her ocd it can not go on. I don't feel we are helping her

boss back.

>There is no waxing/waning it is just at the bottom. I am holding it

together, but it is

>so sad to see. Any suggestions on a relaxant med such as Klonopin? I am

lost as how to

>help her. I am working on not enabling her, but nothing seems to cheer

her up. Not

>depressed as in (die) but so down (tears) constant.

>Thanks for listening.

>Lori-ca

[Guest guest]

Dan was taught relaxation response by a previous psychologist (who

proclaimed him mentally healthy--missed the whole thing). I encourage

him to use it at times like that. And I hold and cuddle him and say

soothing positive things and tell him how wonderful he is and take him

to the gym to get exercise, encourage him to drink a Boost or eat

something, and sometimes have him read a fun book in front of my

therapeutic light box.

It comes and goes, tho. But each little effort helps a little.

Judy

volley4@... wrote:

>

> Judy,

> Did Dr. give any other ideas for relaxation when anxiety is high? It

> is hard to know and

> if you don't have an appt. you have to research. Everyone on this

> list has to be

> talented in research. I learn more from the internet and this list

> about meds and ocd.

> I wonder how much her Dr really know?

> Thanks

> Lori

>

> " Judith C. Lovchik " wrote:

>

> > That's what klonipin did to my son--real bad depression.

> >

> > Judy

> >

> > mom2tazbug@... wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Lori ... my younger son takes Klonopin for his Tourettes

> Syndrome.

> > > For the

> > > first 3 months that he was on it the doctor had me call him every

> two

> > > weeks

> > > and see him every month without for a few min then with

> > > .

> > > After a while I asked what about the Klonopin made the monitoring

> so

> > > necessary. They told me that Klonopin can occasionally cause

> > > depression and

> > > when it hits it can hit fast and hard. So it very well may be the

> > > Klonopin.

> > > Hope that helps.

> > >

> > > Peggikaye ... Oklahoma

> > >

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Kathy,

Dr. said no to anything but Zoloft. We never really got a chance to see if the

increase

in zoloft worked by itself. She went from 100 mg to 150 mg. Now today, 1-1/2

days after

stopping Klonopin I have seen some happiness thru-out the day. I really think

it relaxed

her but put her in a state of zoned out (very down, grumpy). I don't want my

daughter

drugged so bad she can't even notice life around her even if it is compulsions.

Her very new thing is watching t.v. excessivly in order to NOT MISS the songs at

the

beginning. Boy what a schedule. She loves " 7th Heaven " and " Friends " . They

are light

and make her giggle, but now she must catch the beginning. Anxiety is very high

if she

is unable to watch it. Her showers everyday must be right after school and in

my

bathroom. I have noticed things pertaining to me seem to be a priority(maybe a

comfort

zone). She wears one of my special necklaces everyday and uses my shampoo and

bathroom.

She wears my sweatshirts and so on. There seems to be a comfort.

Kathy I wanted to tell you about the computer (internet) at school. This is a

very

special connection for us. She is able to e-mail me at any time of the day and

I can

respond. She doesn't expect me to, but lets me know if she is having a good day

or vents

to me. I think this is a good way when she is at school to help her cope. I

enjoy

knowing how her day is and really can watch her progress thru stress and so on.

I have

been teaching myself not to get upset by sad or angry e-mails from her during

the day,

because low and behold they change constantly. I think this is a great tool for

her.

Our nightly walks are awesome also. She vents and we laugh and also work on our

stress

by walking.

Anyway, any suggestions would help. We are monitoring the med change and

tonight SHE IS

AT THE SHOW W/ FRIENDS. (Prom night for Junior/Senior and she did not get asked)

I am so

glad cause the anxiety is awful. She was sad for a day or two, but moved on.

She even

missed her shows w/ songs. Day to day, and we will see.

Thanks for caring

Lori-ca

Kathy Hammes wrote:

> Hi Lori:

>

> Did you doc suggest any other meds for the increased depression? How long

> has Krysti been on the 150 mg of Zoloft?

>

> It is a very hard time when meds are being adjusted and symptoms are

> worsening. YOu are doing a good job to be able to focus on stopping

> enabling and keep it all together.

>

> If you are worried bout Krysti's depression getting worse please contact

> her p-doc immediately. It is a good idea to talk about the danger of

> depression and self-harm. It does not increase the likelihood of suicide

> and you can get a reliable assessment of her mood and decide what needs to

> be done. Depression is very treatable and I am sure your doc can help with

> adjusting her meds. You are helping Krysti by taking action with her docs

> and by keeping watch over her and how she is coping. Please keep us all

> posted how she is doing with the depression. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

> kathyh@...

>

> At 06:31 PM 04/13/2000 -0700, you wrote:

> >Kathy,

> >Krysti has been put on .5 Klonopin for about 3 weeks now. Her zoloft is

> upped to 150

> >mg. She has totally taken a turn down since. Her depression has become

> great. She

> >doesn't leave her room and has so many new compulsions. Her and I walk

> every evening and

> >she talks but not in a very happy way. I called the Dr. today and she

> told us to get her

> >off the Klonopin right away. Krysti is so upset because she has a routine

> w/ her meds

> >and now says she won't sleep tonight. She started crying which is about

> every other hour

> >now. I do believe it is the Klonopin. Has anyone else experienced this?

> We also have

> >had a person staying w/ us (friend-nice) for 3 weeks until they can get a

> vehicle. I

> >know this has upset her routine. The thing is he is never here until late

> because he

> >farms after work. She really likes him and they do a lot together w/ her

> sister. We

> >have said he must go by this weekend. It is so hard because he has been a

> lot of fun,

> >but because of her ocd it can not go on. I don't feel we are helping her

> boss back.

> >There is no waxing/waning it is just at the bottom. I am holding it

> together, but it is

> >so sad to see. Any suggestions on a relaxant med such as Klonopin? I am

> lost as how to

> >help her. I am working on not enabling her, but nothing seems to cheer

> her up. Not

> >depressed as in (die) but so down (tears) constant.

> >Thanks for listening.

> >Lori-ca

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Lori ... has to watch the beginning songs of shows too. He doesn't

melt down if he doesn't get to see it but he will flat out refuse to watch

the show if he has missed the opening song. He also HAS to see the credits at

the end and he will have melt downs if he misses those. He must be having

obsessive thoughts on that somehow that he has never told me about. I never

related it to the OCD until your letter. But then I am so new to this there

is probably a lot he is doing that I am not realizing yet is OCD.

Peggikaye ... Oklahoma

[Guest guest]

Lori - CA wrote:

>Kathy I wanted to tell you about the computer (internet) at school. This

>is a very special connection for us. <

This idea has really worked with Adi and I. She gets home from school when I

am at work. I get home and she is going to bed. Since Tom may be around, she

isnt comfortable talking with me, and in the morning, Ziv is about.

What we started doing last summer was write emails to each other as updates.

(she spent the summer travelling) Sometimes she writes of her emotions,

sometimes its requests, and other times to share some friendly gossip. The

email is a personal connection between the two of us, I would share a

comment only with her permission.

I recommend this - but NOT as an alternative to talking, but to suppliment

and enhance your private relationship.

Thanks for bringing this up, Lori!

take care, wendy

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Dana,

My girl had to have her sword at the beginning of She-Ra so she could say

the intro along with the announcer. We all ran frantically around the house

looking for the sword before the show started, or she would be inconsolable.

Her dream was to someday have hair as long as She-Ra. Anyway, as a few years

past she lost interest so I sold the action figures (not the sword!) To this

day she tries to lay a guilt trip on me for selling those treasured figures

(I DID ask her if it was OK and at the time she agreed. Hint to mom's of

young children, hand on to darn near everything! Ha Ha).

Elaine-Devon

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

Are you suggesting that I keep the excessive collection of Ninja Turtles, My

little Pony's, LEGO, PLAYMOBILE, G.I. Joe's, Barbie's, .... for ever???

AAUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!

just teasing! I stopped letting the kids collect things from a series when

I realized that the Sailor Moon phase was an obsession. Pokeman does not

enter these doors!

Dana, what we didnt know when the kids were younger could be put in a

telephone-book size binder!!! I would call it: One million OCD traits that

are not listed in the text books!!!!

take care, laugh, it is funny - in hind sight!

wendy, in canada

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Ava did this one when she was 2-3 yrs old! I didn't recognoze it as a ritual

back then,

just a cute quirk (she had a zillion of 'em, some not so cute!) where she had to

collect

as many of her stuffed animals as she could hold during the opening song to

" Sesame

Street " . She didn't have much interest in the rest of the show until she was 4,

but she

absolutely HAD to do this thing at the beginning during the song or she would

melt down

and be unconsolable.

Dana in NC

mom2tazbug@... wrote:

> Lori ... has to watch the beginning songs of shows too. He doesn't

> melt down if he doesn't get to see it but he will flat out refuse to watch

> the show if he has missed the opening song. He also HAS to see the credits at

> the end and he will have melt downs if he misses those. He must be having

> obsessive thoughts on that somehow that he has never told me about. I never

> related it to the OCD until your letter. But then I am so new to this there

> is probably a lot he is doing that I am not realizing yet is OCD.

>

> Peggikaye ... Oklahoma

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Lori:

Glad to hear the depression is lifting, even if only a little. I really

liked what you said about her emailing you from school. I am going to try

and get that into Aiden's IEP for next year. Right now he calls his

grandmother when he's particularly stressed. But email could go to mom,

dad OR grandma.

Jule in Cleveland

[Guest guest]

, you bet. Yes we have a lot of personal communiction but during the day

when we

are apart and she needs to touch base, it is available. She can go into the

library or

computer class at any time (part of her 504 plan) and vent or share something

special. I

find that I hear things during stress and during an exciting event.

Our walks also provide a special communication time in the evening. I hear

about

girlfriends, boys, sports teachers, art, something good or bad. I feel these

two options

relieve some tension and let it out of her mind. I am sure her mind is already

overwhelmed.

Thanks for the talk

Lori-ca

" W. Birkhan " wrote:

> Lori - CA wrote:

> >Kathy I wanted to tell you about the computer (internet) at school. This

> >is a very special connection for us. <

>

> This idea has really worked with Adi and I. She gets home from school when I

> am at work. I get home and she is going to bed. Since Tom may be around, she

> isnt comfortable talking with me, and in the morning, Ziv is about.

> What we started doing last summer was write emails to each other as updates.

> (she spent the summer travelling) Sometimes she writes of her emotions,

> sometimes its requests, and other times to share some friendly gossip. The

> email is a personal connection between the two of us, I would share a

> comment only with her permission.

>

> I recommend this - but NOT as an alternative to talking, but to suppliment

> and enhance your private relationship.

>

> Thanks for bringing this up, Lori!

> take care, wendy

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I hope this works for you. She is allowed to go in the library and I am always

near my

computer. She even started mailing Dad. We found a cute card website and

sometimes she

will send flowers w/ music or something sad or sympathy. There are many ways

for her to

vent. I feel the venting is important for her to move on in her day instead of

dwelling

on her hurt at the moment. A lot of it is general school (girl) issues. I like

to hear

how her day is going even if it is hard on me every other hour, low and behold

while I am

sad or thinking here comes a funny joke or card. It is important for me to help

during

the day therefore I don't feel guilty being at work all day. Work is a nice

repreve for

me.

Take care

Lori

j.monnens@... wrote:

> Lori:

>

> Glad to hear the depression is lifting, even if only a little. I really

> liked what you said about her emailing you from school. I am going to try

> and get that into Aiden's IEP for next year. Right now he calls his

> grandmother when he's particularly stressed. But email could go to mom,

> dad OR grandma.

>

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In a message dated 04/19/2000 9:34:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

etcarroll@... writes:

<< The instructional on the QVC one, though, would be great for anyone at any

level of experience. >>

it is also the same as the Startup work-out on Tae-Bo TV shown daily

Barb

who much prefers the Live 4 pack but can see folks trying the original

library to save money especially if unsure if Tae-Bo is the way to go for

their life style & suggests borrowing it from a library or video store first

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In a message dated 04/19/2000 10:01:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

etcarroll@... writes:

<< If you have the original studio tapes, you should have

received the 8-minute tape with them. If not, you can call the 1-877

number on the back of the box and they should send it to you for free. >>

even if you purchased just the starter set with the original Basic

and Instructional, you are entitled to the 8 minute work-out for free

just call and tell them there was no coupon in your pack

Barb

who actually had a coupon for either the 8 minute or advanced and chose the 8

minute but got the advanced when my sister bought the 4 pack and let the tape

collect dust

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>I am hoping you can answer a question that I have.....what is the main

>differences between the 4 pack Tae Bo Library and the 4 pack Live for QVC?

I do not know. But also what is the 8 minute workout? I have never seen an

infomercial, ever. Really

Mitch

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** wrote:

>

> I had someone who wondered into the site ask mea question about some

> tapes and I KNEW you guys would be able to answer it...So here is the

> question:

>

> I am hoping you can answer a question that I have.....what is the main

>

> differences between the 4 pack Tae Bo Library and the 4 pack Live for

> QVC?

>

> , tell her the main difference is that the QVC one is live, LOL. Also,

the QVC one is newer. It has a great instructional that, unlike the original,

works both sides of the body. It can be a workout in itself. The basic, unlike

the original basic, is not very " basic " ; it's more like a 30-minute advanced,

but it is a terrific tape (lots of new moves, high energy, good music). The

advanced on the QVC one is short, but a lot of fun (new moves). The 8-minute on

the orignal in my opinion is better (more motivating; great energy level) than

the one in the QVC 4-pack. The QVC 4 pack has " real " music (songs with lyrics)

as opposed to just instrumental and the standard music of the studio tapes. The

original has just " professional " experienced taeboers, whereas the QVC has

regular people, too, like our . For beginners, I really recommend the

the original 4 pack because it helped me at least to watch the " professionals' "

form. I love the QVC 4 pack, but I am no lo!

nger a beginner. The instructional on the QVC one, though, would be great for

anyone at any level of experience.

Elena

[Guest guest]

Mitch wrote:

>

> >I am hoping you can answer a question that I have.....what is the main

> >differences between the 4 pack Tae Bo Library and the 4 pack Live for QVC?

>

> I do not know. But also what is the 8 minute workout? I have never seen an

> infomercial, ever. Really

> Mitch

Mitch, I only saw the original infomercial in Jan. 1999. I haven't seen

the new one yet and it's not for lack of trying (I turn the TV on

faithfully every Saturday morning when I'm around, but no infomercial).

We don't have cable though and I think most people who have seen the new

infomercial here have cable.

The 8-minute tapes come with the two 4-packs (the original studio one

and the live one now sold on QVC and elsewhere). They are really about

15 minutes and the studio one at least is a great little workout. It's

very high energy with lots of moves, but few repetitions. You can do

the 8-minute when you are short on time, need an energy boost, need a

substitute for binge eating, or just to add to another workout to make

it longer (like a basic workout). How did you get the taebo tapes that

you have? If you have the original studio tapes, you should have

received the 8-minute tape with them. If not, you can call the 1-877

number on the back of the box and they should send it to you for free.

Elena

[Guest guest]

>

>

> >I am hoping you can answer a question that I have.....what is the

main

> >differences between the 4 pack Tae Bo Library and the 4 pack Live

for QVC?

>

> I do not know. But also what is the 8 minute workout? I have never

seen an

> infomercial, ever. Really

I don't think anyone ever answered this question, did they? The

original 4-pack are tapes that were done in 's studio with only

a few of the " regulars " ....like Shellie, Debbie, , Jasmine,

etc. and a few others. They are the first tae-bo tapes that ever

came out. There is an instructional tape, a basic tape (30

minutes), an advanced tape (60 minutes) and an 8-minute tape (more

like 15 minutes). The new live 4-pack has the same four tapes

(instructional, basic, advanced and 8-minute), but they are live

classes with real people in them. The music is real music with words

and the class is taped " live " so to speak. The original tapes are

great tapes to start off with, although the instructional tape from

the live 4-pack is phenomenal and much better than the original

instructional tape (in my opinion).

Mitch, the 8-minute workout is just that.....only it really lasts

more like 15 minutes. It's fast paced and a tough little workout.

It's great for the days when you just can't fit in a half an hour,

but still want to get a good workout in a short amount of time. And

it's also good to add on to the end of the basic workout for a great

45 minute workout!

who doesn't even remember who asked this question, but hopes this

description helps

[Guest guest]

Thanks Elena!!

MGTFD

Re: Question

** wrote:> > I had someone who wondered into the site ask mea question about some> tapes and I KNEW you guys would be able to answer it...So here is the> question:> > I am hoping you can answer a question that I have.....what is the main> > differences between the 4 pack Tae Bo Library and the 4 pack Live for> QVC?> > , tell her the main difference is that the QVC one is live, LOL. Also, the QVC one is newer. It has a great instructional that, unlike the original, works both sides of the body. It can be a workout in itself. The basic, unlike the original basic, is not very "basic"; it's more like a 30-minute advanced, but it is a terrific tape (lots of new moves, high energy, good music). The advanced on the QVC one is short, but a lot of fun (new moves). The 8-minute on the orignal in my opinion is better (more motivating; great energy level) than the one in the QVC 4-pack. The QVC 4 pack has "real" music (songs with lyrics) as opposed to just instrumental and the standard music of the studio tapes. The original has just "professional" experienced taeboers, whereas the QVC has regular people, too, like our . For beginners, I really recommend the the original 4 pack because it helped me at least to watch the "professionals'" form. I love the QVC 4 pack, but I am no lo!nger a beginner. The instructional on the QVC one, though, would be great for anyone at any level of experience.Elena------------------------------------------------------------------------Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that letsyou see and manage all of your finances all in one place.1/3012/1/_/21226/_/956151034/------------------------------------------------------------------------As Deb has said: "Fitness is a journey and it begins with the first step."Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

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Be patient. Your body is making those changes within the muscle the first

few weeks. You won't see changes on the outer layers until weeks 6 or 8.

~Laury