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[Guest guest]

,

I have always followed the plan exactly as the book says. I'm not fanatical

about doing that - it's just that it works for me. I don't have hours upon

hours to spend in the gym so less than 4 hours a week is great for my

lifestyle. I did notice changes at about the 4th week and on but Norma (aka

Surf), my success coach, is awesome and did not notice any changes until

week 8 or 9. She said then, it was like her body was changing before her

eyes.

Sara

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To Kim and All!

I'm not even where you are yet, as my boy/girl twins are only turning

16months, BUT has also started looking and listening for our future

schooling choices for Tara.

This I know, I live in New Jersey, and have friends from other towns

than my own that have NOT used their own public school system. What they

have done BEFORE their IEP meeting was investigate where they did want

their child to be, then proved to their school system that they could

not or would not provide what the " other " school was providing. In one

case the child was ALLREADY enrolled in the school of choice and the

public school was sent there to " see " what was going on then the parents

asked the public school system if they could " match " it, the public

school system admitted that they couldn't, and then agreed to send the

child out of district to that school!

One situation was similar that the parents told their public school

system to please visit a paticular school, they did and also agreed to

send the child out of district.

In northern New Jersey there is a school in Livingston called Stepping

Stones, it is a school for children birth to 6 years just for children

with Ds! I visited it last Feb and have decieded to enroll Tara for this

Sept{she'll be 18 months then} she will go Tues and Thurs 9-11 and get

PT, OT and speech while I'm in a formal support parent group and her

twin and my other daughter will be in a music/art & crafts class! This

will be out of our pocket, for now, IF we really are thrilled we might

do the same and ask out public school system to go to Stepping Stones

and see for them selves. I've also heard it will be difficult for us as

our town has never sent a child out of district before. I have not

checked out our {handicapp, that's what they call it}pre-school, but

have not heard anything good about it either!

You could/should check out your neighboring towns, they might have a

great program that stresses inclusion or have great special Ed teachers

ask your local chapter of the ARC, they often give out " best teacher "

awards yearly, so they would know who's-who in special ED.

Hope this helps?

Gail.........Bobby 6 1/2, Jillian 3 3/4, and Tara{Ds} 15+months

>

> Hi all,

> I have a question about transitioning between the birth to three

> program and the next step. will be transitioning next Oct. from

> the birth to three program to either the public school system or

> private therapy with our insurance. My DH and I do not want to put

> in our public system around here because they just do not have

> a good special needs program. The teachers/therapists appear to just

> be there for the job and not the kids. I am not the only one with this

> opinion, several therapists and parents feel the same way. We do have

> the option of going through private therapy and insurance but with his

> ongoing medical bills we would reach our plan maximum fast. What I

> really want information on is if anyone has a 3 - 5 program that is

> not through the public school system. I have talked to many people

> around here that would like to have a program like this. I just don't

> know how to go about getting one started up. I would like to be able

> to have it funded like the birth to three programs. So if anyone has

> any insight or info I would really appreciate it. Thank you

>

> Kim mom to Abbi and ds - 2 1/2 and Mikayla - 5

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Hi Kim, has been in the birth to three in the Snohomish School dist. for a

year now. She has had a pretty good experience. I have however supplemented

private speech therapy thru Providence Childrens Center in Everett. Another

option is Cascade Childrens Therapy in Mill Creek I have heard great things

about them. She goes to preschool 4 days a week, and I think of it more as a

social place for her and use her additional therapy for her development. The

therapists at the school are spread pretty thin. They do work with her daily,

but I do like the intense one on one she gets thru Providence.

As far as your insurance goes, have you put on the waiting list for the

Family Support Dollars? It is through the Department of Developmental

Disabilities here in Washington State. You do not have to be financialy

qualified at all and the application process is a breeze. I will give you the

number for our region if you would like, (we are in the same region as you).

will then be alloted $1,200 per year for his needs, respite, additional

therapy, horse back riding, camps, etc. Plus the really great part is that you

get a medical coupon for . The coupon takes care of everything your

insurance doesn't. It covers all of 's therapies after insurance runs out,

it also covers her copays at the doctors office, her prescriptions and she just

recently had to get hearing aids, and the coupon paid for them in full! I have

not had to pay anything out of pocket.

Let me know if you want the phone number. I have not heard of a 3-5 program in

our area that is not run by the school dist. but I will ask around.

Good Luck

Diane, mom to Adam 8, and (ds) 3 going on 4 in September!

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<< My biggest problem is time, plus I'm not much on fish or cottage cheese

(old

farming accident ;-)) >>

Hey Jeb, This sounds funny...but I don't get it! What do you mean?

Leaner.

[Guest guest]

Since this is a group that subscribes to the Body for Life program, I

encourage you to try on that you don't have to count your protein gram, and

calories, and ounces, etc. All you have to keep track of is 6 portions of

proteins matched with 6 portions of carbohydrates each day and at least 2

portions of vegatables. Since your hands are most likely larger anyway do to

your size, your portions will be bigger than mine since I'm a woman and more

petite. A portion is the size of your clenched fist or open palm. Stick to

that and I guarentee you'll do great!

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In a message dated 06-Sep-00 11:41:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jpein@...

writes:

<< Currently I weight 281lbs but I would love to drop about 30-35lbs. of fat.

According to what I have read I would need to take in around 280g of protein

each day! (anybody got a side of beef on them).

I'm looking into shakes and protein bars to supplement this and I was just

wondering what anyone else was doing to achieve this ratio.

>>

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In a message dated 06-Sep-00 09:54:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Good tried and true advice! Leave it to the CO to cut through all the

BS! >>

Hey Guy, it goes both ways. You help out a lot. We're a good team. *high 5*

(I miss doing my little Commanding Officer's inspections of the troops.

Remember those days with the Sarge himself? ahhhhh...sweet memories.)

-The CO

[Guest guest]

Okay, here we go.....BFL-STYLE.....cuz that's the program we are doing.

Ditch the bread. No bread is authorized whatsoever except ONE slice of WHOLE

WHEAT bread. How much protein do you need? 6 portions of protein a day eaten

every 2 1/2 to 3 hours with a portion of carbs and at least 2 portions of

veggies a day.

How big is a portion? The size of your open palm or a clenched fist.

It's in the book. Read the book. Live the book. Use it as a mousepad. =)

-

In a message dated 07-Sep-00 09:30:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jpein@...

writes:

<< A couple of questions about diet, I'm on week 11 of my first challenge and

trying to plan for my second week.

After looking at the BFLTracker it says that I am going to need 238g protein

and 238g of carbs to start my bf lose, roughly 41g each per meal.

My first question is if I chose to eat a roast beef sandwich and double up

on the meat to get the amount of protein that I need are 'deli' meats

suitable for this.

Also is there a certain kind of bread that I should use or stay away from.

-Thanx >>

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Gosh Pam, have no idea what that rash could be!!! Has

Hannah been taking any kind of medicine lately??

Changed soap or shampoo or detergent? Sounds

definitely like she needs to have it looked at.

LOL we live in Texas, a suburb of Dallas. Where are

you guys from again??? We know a family in Tulsa, OK

w/identical twin girls w/DS. (That reminds me, I have

to bug to join this list again!). They

turned 4 in August. We stopped and had breakfast

w/them on our way to Chicago at Cracker-barrel. Molly

& have similar hair color and skin tone to S & P

and are slightly bigger in size, but not by a whole

lot. While we were there, several people came by our

table and asked if they were Quads!!! Too funny!

Judi

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Hey Judi, I have relatives who live in Texas around

the Dallas area. Unfortunately, we do not keep in

touch or visit each other. Too bad we might could meet

sometime. We live in Tennessee close to the Alabama

border.

Hannah's scalp looks a little better this evening. If

it's not better in a few days I will take her in to

see the ped. I remember having something

similar when she was 1 and the Dr. gave me some tar

shampoo to put on her scalp and it cleared it up

quickly.

Have a good night.

Pam in Tn.

--- Judi Grossman <judig2@...> wrote:

> Gosh Pam, have no idea what that rash could be!!!

> Has

> Hannah been taking any kind of medicine lately??

> Changed soap or shampoo or detergent? Sounds

> definitely like she needs to have it looked at.

>

> LOL we live in Texas, a suburb of Dallas. Where are

> you guys from again??? We know a family in Tulsa,

> OK

> w/identical twin girls w/DS. (That reminds me, I

> have

> to bug to join this list again!). They

> turned 4 in August. We stopped and had breakfast

> w/them on our way to Chicago at Cracker-barrel.

> Molly

> & have similar hair color and skin tone to S & P

> and are slightly bigger in size, but not by a whole

> lot. While we were there, several people came by

> our

> table and asked if they were Quads!!! Too funny!

> Judi

>

>

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>

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Hi Pam - Rudy has very bad psorisis (sp?) on his head. At times its very

active and itches, has the oozing, and lots of flakes. As a baby & toddler,

when it first started coming out, he would lose the hair in the spots but I

think that was more from scratching than anything. Today he has fairly thick

hair which I keep very closely cropped to help keep his head cool. When he

is hot and sweats it really gets agravated (my spelling leaves something to

be desired today!). When he has " outbreaks " it usually continues down his

back into what looks more like a heat rash. He'll also get a bumby face

around his cheeks, ears, chin, & neck. When this happens we break out the

cortisone cream to help with the itching and/or give him Benadryl. His dad

had him this summer and used some kind of vitamin E cream on him. I'm going

to email him and ask what he used because it really worked well and I'll let

you know. I would suggest having your pedi look at Hannah and see if he has

another suggestion. For now, I'd just keep her scalp clean and advise her to

try and not scratch or pick at the spots.

Hugs

mom to Rudy (ds) & 13 & TJ 17

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks, I was hoping you would know what it was. I

kind of thought that it was psoriasis. It is not

looking any worse but not really better either. Sounds

like Rudy's got worse as he got older? Or the

outbreaks did anyway.

Let me know about the cream. Thanks alot!!!

Pam

--- lesfevr21@... wrote:

> Hi Pam - Rudy has very bad psorisis (sp?) on his

> head. At times its very

> active and itches, has the oozing, and lots of

> flakes. As a baby & toddler,

> when it first started coming out, he would lose the

> hair in the spots but I

> think that was more from scratching than anything.

> Today he has fairly thick

> hair which I keep very closely cropped to help keep

> his head cool. When he

> is hot and sweats it really gets agravated (my

> spelling leaves something to

> be desired today!). When he has " outbreaks " it

> usually continues down his

> back into what looks more like a heat rash. He'll

> also get a bumby face

> around his cheeks, ears, chin, & neck. When this

> happens we break out the

> cortisone cream to help with the itching and/or give

> him Benadryl. His dad

> had him this summer and used some kind of vitamin E

> cream on him. I'm going

> to email him and ask what he used because it really

> worked well and I'll let

> you know. I would suggest having your pedi look at

> Hannah and see if he has

> another suggestion. For now, I'd just keep her

> scalp clean and advise her to

> try and not scratch or pick at the spots.

>

> Hugs

> mom to Rudy (ds) & 13 & TJ 17

>

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Hi ,

I don't know what a soft bounce is. I was told I had a hard bounce and I

don't know what that is either. I was told a bounce is where mail is

returned wnen your mailbox is full, but mine wasn't and it bounced

anyway. Can anyone out there explain? Thanks, Serita

[Guest guest]

Jackie L. Ulmer [jackie@...] wrote:

> Hi everybody,

> I posted a question last week about not losing

> anymore body fat, but building muscle.

I am currenty on a " bulking " phase, have put on about 2k

in 2 weeks. I have cut out all cardio and increased protein

to well over 200+ grams a day (not counting exactly) and increased total

calories quite a bit.

have also put the fat back in my diet, ie whole milk, whole eggs.

you need testosterone to grow muscle and if there is insuficient fat

in your diet the test wont do its job.

also drinking heaps more water. only train 3 days a week, 2 exercise

of 3 sets per body part HIT style, 1st set is warmup. other sets

of 4-8RM. you dont need more volume but more intensity, ie heavier weights.

which in turn means much stricter form. my strength is noticeable going

up each time I go to the gym. my BMR is going up which will make

any fat I gain easier to loose later. then Ill start the cardio up

again. the only suplements I am taking are glucosamine and glutamine.

hope that helps.

Deus

> Thanks for the feedback!

>

> I am considering these changes, and wanted some

> feedback fro those more knowledgeable first. So,

> here goes -

>

> I want to increase muscle mass at this point. Don't

> want to lose weight or Body Fat. I am considering

> adding an extra workout each week on weights, and

> cutting back to cardio sessions.

>

> It would look like this -

>

> Mon - LBWO

> Tue - UBWO

> Wed - Cardio

> Thu - LBWO

> Fri - UBWO

> Sat - Cardio

> Sun - Free Day

>

> How does that look and sound? Also, what about

> doing a cardio later in the day on Fri, after UBWO?

> Or, Thursday after LBWO?

>

> Looking for feedback!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jackie

>

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I add two packets of equal to my shakes and I think they taste yummy. )

Hope this helps

.. I have tried the Myoplex shakes and bars. I can't stand them, to me they are gross. Is there any other way of doing this without haveing to use them? Pills would be good, no taste, just swallow

Thanks in advance.

Barb

[Guest guest]

Dunno about the bars Barb, but how about disgiusing the flavor of the shakes with extract, cinnamon, cocoa, fruit? L.

[Guest guest]

I just use protein powder, usually chocolate flavoured, with yogurt or

milk or whatever is appropriate to mix it with, even fruit juice at

times.

Andy

> Hi everyone!!

>

> Just wanted to let everyone know that I am very thankful for all of

the advice that get here. I have a question. I have tried the

Myoplex shakes and bars. I can't stand them, to me they are gross.

Is there any other way of doing this without haveing to use them?

Pills would be good, no taste, just swallow

>

> Thanks in advance.

> Barb

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BFLJOS@... [bFLJOS@...] wrote:

> I was wondering if you all could help me out with a question.  I've

> been following the bodyforlife program for about 14 weeks now, not officially

> because I'm 17 and you have to be 18 to enter, but for myself.  My problem is

> that I'm skinny, not as lean as i would like, about 11%, but skinny.  I want

> to put on muscle while losing a little bit of fat, like 2-3%, but I simply

> can't do it.  Everytime I try and put on muscle I gain fat also, and

> everytime I try to lose fat I lose muscle also.  I cant seem to find the

> proper balance between the calories, the cardio, and the weight training.

>  Currently I follow the bodyforlife diet and cardio workout, but not the

> weight training because it simply doesn't work for me, so I follow a split

> similar to the one in shawn phillip's " how to increase your bench by 50lbs. "

>  I'm also reluctant to take creatine or Betagen because of my age.  Would you

> recommend lightening up the cardio? Increasing the calories? maybe Both?

my advise for whats its worth is stop trying to do both at the same time,

concentrate on puting on muscle and then loosing fat. check out anthony eliss'

site

www.musclegaintips.com

Deus

[Guest guest]

I feel the same way. Does muscle come before you burn the fat b/c we are

consuming more calories or what? Do you have to do extra cardio or does it

eventually balance out b/c I have been feeling similar in gaining muscle

plus fat or vice versa. Thanks.

>From: Deus Ex Machina <vicc@...>

>Reply-bodyforlife

>bodyforlife

>Subject: Re: Question

>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:58:04 +1100

>

>BFLJOS@... [bFLJOS@...] wrote:

> > I was wondering if you all could help me out with a question.

> I've

> > been following the bodyforlife program for about 14 weeks now, not

>officially

> > because I'm 17 and you have to be 18 to enter, but for myself.  My

>problem is

> > that I'm skinny, not as lean as i would like, about 11%, but skinny.  I

>want

> > to put on muscle while losing a little bit of fat, like 2-3%, but I

>simply

> > can't do it.  Everytime I try and put on muscle I gain fat also, and

> > everytime I try to lose fat I lose muscle also.  I cant seem to find the

> > proper balance between the calories, the cardio, and the weight

>training.

> >  Currently I follow the bodyforlife diet and cardio workout, but not the

> > weight training because it simply doesn't work for me, so I follow a

>split

> > similar to the one in shawn phillip's " how to increase your bench by

>50lbs. "

> >  I'm also reluctant to take creatine or Betagen because of my age.

> Would you

> > recommend lightening up the cardio? Increasing the calories? maybe Both?

>

>my advise for whats its worth is stop trying to do both at the same time,

>concentrate on puting on muscle and then loosing fat. check out anthony

>eliss' site

>www.musclegaintips.com

>

>Deus

>

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This site explains a lot of the questions.

http://www.hussman.com/eas/

Liz

> > > I was wondering if you all could help me out with a

question.

> > I've

> > > been following the bodyforlife program for about 14 weeks now,

not

> >officially

> > > because I'm 17 and you have to be 18 to enter, but for myself.

 My

> >problem is

> > > that I'm skinny, not as lean as i would like, about 11%, but

skinny.  I

> >want

> > > to put on muscle while losing a little bit of fat, like 2-3%,

but I

> >simply

> > > can't do it.  Everytime I try and put on muscle I gain fat also,

and

> > > everytime I try to lose fat I lose muscle also.  I cant seem to

find the

> > > proper balance between the calories, the cardio, and the weight

> >training.

> > >  Currently I follow the bodyforlife diet and cardio workout, but

not the

> > > weight training because it simply doesn't work for me, so I

follow a

> >split

> > > similar to the one in shawn phillip's " how to increase your

bench by

> >50lbs. "

> > >  I'm also reluctant to take creatine or Betagen because of my

age.

> > Would you

> > > recommend lightening up the cardio? Increasing the calories?

maybe Both?

> >

> >my advise for whats its worth is stop trying to do both at the same

time,

> >concentrate on puting on muscle and then loosing fat. check out

anthony

> >eliss' site

> >www.musclegaintips.com

> >

> >Deus

> >

>

>

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In a message dated 02/07/2001 9:14:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, kit.keyes@... writes:

Why doesn't the weight routine work? Have you tried it? How have you identified

I'm not sure what you mean by identified but yah i've tried it out for almost 8 weeks, i haven't gotten stronger, if anything weaker, its weird

[Guest guest]

jaime mantesso [jaimemantesso@...] wrote:

> I feel the same way. Does muscle come before you burn the fat b/c we are

> consuming more calories or what?

thats the idea.

>Do you have to do extra cardio or does it

> eventually balance out b/c I have been feeling similar in gaining muscle

> plus fat or vice versa. Thanks.

I dont do cardio when I focus on muscle gains. why would you want to?

Deus

[Guest guest]

are you sure you are getting weaker??? because I have gotten stronger

alot stronger in fact I carry my car to work, i trample small

villages and i toss giant boulders of granite around like marbles

<hehe>, just kidding, are you following the program by the book??? 8

weeks you should notice something increasing, do you work out alone

or with a partner? maybe you need the motivation of a workout partner

to push you over the edge?

> In a message dated 02/07/2001 9:14:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> kit.keyes@l... writes:

>

>

> > Why doesn't the weight routine work? Have you tried it? How

have you

> >

>

> I'm not sure what you mean by identified but yah i've tried it out

for almost

> 8 weeks, i haven't gotten stronger, if anything weaker, its weird

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/08/2001 7:05:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, ballbstr@... writes:

you should notice something increasing, do you work out alone or with a partner? maybe you need the motivation of a workout partner to push you over the edge?

nah that can't be it, i really work my butt off, i dont know it just doesn't seem to work, maybe its because i'm not taking creatine, I dont know

[Guest guest]

FYI, low carb is okay for losing weight. Its NOT okay for building muscle,

however, and the point is to build muscle to raise your metabolism.

Tina

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On 3/6/01 at 11:39 AM tstephenson@... wrote:

>40 % protien 40% carbs 20% fats.............I would guess

>Todd in Michigan

>who prefers Atkins or Protien Power....LO carb....