Re: Mold in a rental property-Landlord knew

[Guest guest]

In California in 2001, the then-governor signed a bill into law about mold

requiring that landlords notify tenants when mold has been found in an

apartment. The bill also says that the State will set standards for what

exposure levels are tolerable - but since the group that is supposed to work

that on that issue has never been convened, there are no standards, and the

other parts of the law have not gone into effect.

I know this because of mold in an apartment I was in, where my neighbor actually

died because of his exposure after developing asthma, fungal skin sores and a

seizure disorder. He was 36. I've been helping his mother to get all this

sorted out.

I suspect that it is not actually illegal in much of the country to allow

tenants to move into an unremediated unit. Of course, if you can demonstrate

that the conditions were actually unheathful, you may have a case, but it isn't

easy to make. Doesn't sound like this guy is going to negotiate other than

under a finding against him - which makes him a good business man to his mind,

I'm sure. KC will give you better advice, I'm sure, but I think you need to

keep documenting your findings from your doctor and have an environmental study

done to show what's in the air. Environmental studies aren't cheap.

You may want to keep your sanity and get out before you get sicker. In my

experience, the health dept is unlikely to help you. There's an awful lot of

denial in this country about the health effects of mold. The best lay experts

(and some professionals) seem to hang out at this site from what I've found.

Haley

Sara Alpsan <alps52682@...> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could lend some advice on what to do in my situation.

My fiance and myself moved into a house almost 6 months ago and have been sick

left and right. I have left work early on 2 occasions with migranes that have

physically made me sick.

One of the days I was home, a neighbor came over to talk and informed me that

the previous tenants left due to illness from mold and that they IN FACT

notified the landlord of the situation upon departing. I have written

documentation of those events from them. When I spoke with the landlord (who

happens to be a real estate attorney) he told me he'd have his wife sniff it out

and at that point gave no inclination that he knew of the situation.

Both my fiance and myself have been to the dr and I have now developed asthma

and have a prescriptive inhaler to use now. We demanded that we be let out of

the lease with our deposit and 5 months of paid rent returned for the medical

bills, lost work compensation, and cleaning costs of furniture as well as

clothes. The landlord did a walk through with us and taped the whole

inspection, but when asked for a copy he said no.

We have a lawyer but he doesn't know the real estate laws. Could someone lend

some advice on the situation. I feel as though we shoudl be fully compensated

since the landlord knew prior to us moving in that there was mold growing.

Thank you

Pennsylvania's Sick and confused

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[Guest guest]

Do you have a local tv station with a consumer reporter? I have seen

that work on cases here in Knoxville. Landlords don't like negtive

press.

>

> I was wondering if anyone could lend some advice on what to do in

my situation.

>

>

>

> My fiance and myself moved into a house almost 6 months ago and

have been sick left and right. I have left work early on 2

occasions with migranes that have physically made me sick.

>

>

>

> One of the days I was home, a neighbor came over to talk and

informed me that the previous tenants left due to illness from mold

and that they IN FACT notified the landlord of the situation upon

departing. I have written documentation of those events from them.

When I spoke with the landlord (who happens to be a real estate

attorney) he told me he'd have his wife sniff it out and at that

point gave no inclination that he knew of the situation.

>

>

>

> Both my fiance and myself have been to the dr and I have now

developed asthma and have a prescriptive inhaler to use now. We

demanded that we be let out of the lease with our deposit and 5

months of paid rent returned for the medical bills, lost work

compensation, and cleaning costs of furniture as well as clothes.

The landlord did a walk through with us and taped the whole

inspection, but when asked for a copy he said no.

>

>

>

> We have a lawyer but he doesn't know the real estate laws. Could

someone lend some advice on the situation. I feel as though we

shoudl be fully compensated since the landlord knew prior to us

moving in that there was mold growing.

>

>

>

> Thank you

>

> Pennsylvania's Sick and confused

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

>

[Guest guest]

i also have the fungal skin sores, the asthma-like shortness of breath,

etc., AND a demyelinated spinal cord, etc......ALL from mold.

v.

Re: [] Mold in a rental property-Landlord knew

> In California in 2001, the then-governor signed a bill into law about mold

> requiring that landlords notify tenants when mold has been found in an

> apartment. The bill also says that the State will set standards for what

> exposure levels are tolerable - but since the group that is supposed to

> work that on that issue has never been convened, there are no standards,

> and the other parts of the law have not gone into effect.

>

> I know this because of mold in an apartment I was in, where my neighbor

> actually died because of his exposure after developing asthma, fungal skin

> sores and a seizure disorder. He was 36. I've been helping his mother to

> get all this sorted out.

>

> I suspect that it is not actually illegal in much of the country to allow

> tenants to move into an unremediated unit. Of course, if you can

> demonstrate that the conditions were actually unheathful, you may have a

> case, but it isn't easy to make. Doesn't sound like this guy is going to

> negotiate other than under a finding against him - which makes him a good

> business man to his mind, I'm sure. KC will give you better advice, I'm

> sure, but I think you need to keep documenting your findings from your

> doctor and have an environmental study done to show what's in the air.

> Environmental studies aren't cheap.

>

> You may want to keep your sanity and get out before you get sicker. In my

> experience, the health dept is unlikely to help you. There's an awful lot

> of denial in this country about the health effects of mold. The best lay

> experts (and some professionals) seem to hang out at this site from what

> I've found.

>

> Haley

>

> Sara Alpsan <alps52682@...> wrote:

>

> I was wondering if anyone could lend some advice on what to do in my

> situation.

>

>

>

> My fiance and myself moved into a house almost 6 months ago and have been

> sick left and right. I have left work early on 2 occasions with migranes

> that have physically made me sick.

>

>

>

> One of the days I was home, a neighbor came over to talk and informed me

> that the previous tenants left due to illness from mold and that they IN

> FACT notified the landlord of the situation upon departing. I have

> written documentation of those events from them. When I spoke with the

> landlord (who happens to be a real estate attorney) he told me he'd have

> his wife sniff it out and at that point gave no inclination that he knew

> of the situation.

>

>

>

> Both my fiance and myself have been to the dr and I have now developed

> asthma and have a prescriptive inhaler to use now. We demanded that we be

> let out of the lease with our deposit and 5 months of paid rent returned

> for the medical bills, lost work compensation, and cleaning costs of

> furniture as well as clothes. The landlord did a walk through with us and

> taped the whole inspection, but when asked for a copy he said no.

>

>

>

> We have a lawyer but he doesn't know the real estate laws. Could someone

> lend some advice on the situation. I feel as though we shoudl be fully

> compensated since the landlord knew prior to us moving in that there was

> mold growing.

>

>

>

> Thank you

>

> Pennsylvania's Sick and confused

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

My Opinion on this I feel my cases are perfect to help get this bill passed I

live On HUD Housing, some of you may be Landlords as well we must come together

and get this law passed.

Re: [] Mold in a rental property-Landlord knew

In California in 2001, the then-governor signed a bill into law about mold

requiring that landlords notify tenants when mold has been found in an

apartment. The bill also says that the State will set standards for what

exposure levels are tolerable - but since the group that is supposed to work

that on that issue has never been convened, there are no standards, and the

other parts of the law have not gone into effect.

I know this because of mold in an apartment I was in, where my neighbor

actually died because of his exposure after developing asthma, fungal skin sores

and a seizure disorder. He was 36. I've been helping his mother to get all

this sorted out.

I suspect that it is not actually illegal in much of the country to allow

tenants to move into an unremediated unit. Of course, if you can demonstrate

that the conditions were actually unheathful, you may have a case, but it isn't

easy to make. Doesn't sound like this guy is going to negotiate other than

under a finding against him - which makes him a good business man to his mind,

I'm sure. KC will give you better advice, I'm sure, but I think you need to

keep documenting your findings from your doctor and have an environmental study

done to show what's in the air. Environmental studies aren't cheap.

You may want to keep your sanity and get out before you get sicker. In my

experience, the health dept is unlikely to help you. There's an awful lot of

denial in this country about the health effects of mold. The best lay experts

(and some professionals) seem to hang out at this site from what I've found.

Haley

Sara Alpsan <alps52682@...> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could lend some advice on what to do in my

situation.

My fiance and myself moved into a house almost 6 months ago and have been sick

left and right. I have left work early on 2 occasions with migranes that have

physically made me sick.

One of the days I was home, a neighbor came over to talk and informed me that

the previous tenants left due to illness from mold and that they IN FACT

notified the landlord of the situation upon departing. I have written

documentation of those events from them. When I spoke with the landlord (who

happens to be a real estate attorney) he told me he'd have his wife sniff it out

and at that point gave no inclination that he knew of the situation.

Both my fiance and myself have been to the dr and I have now developed asthma

and have a prescriptive inhaler to use now. We demanded that we be let out of

the lease with our deposit and 5 months of paid rent returned for the medical

bills, lost work compensation, and cleaning costs of furniture as well as

clothes. The landlord did a walk through with us and taped the whole

inspection, but when asked for a copy he said no.

We have a lawyer but he doesn't know the real estate laws. Could someone lend

some advice on the situation. I feel as though we shoudl be fully compensated

since the landlord knew prior to us moving in that there was mold growing.

Thank you

Pennsylvania's Sick and confused

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Sara,

It would be best to cut your losses and get out of

there as soon as possible. You can always use your

deposit as the last month's rent while you are looking

to relocate. (There would be not much he could do

about it really) I also had a neighbor, fairly

young, die of cancer from what I think was mold

exposure, since my adjoining condo was full of mold in

the wall cavities. A lawyer probably won't take it,

as the stakes are not quite high enough yet. You

could get a letter from the former tenants and

threaten him with exposure. Call the health dept.,

fair housing authorities, etc. Often tenants are more

protected than owners in these matters. But, the real

important thing is to just get out before your health

is really damaged. Just cut your losses and run.

Judi

--- Sara Alpsan <alps52682@...> wrote:

>

> I was wondering if anyone could lend some advice on

> what to do in my situation.

>

>

>

> My fiance and myself moved into a house almost 6

> months ago and have been sick left and right. I

> have left work early on 2 occasions with migranes

> that have physically made me sick.

>

>

>

> One of the days I was home, a neighbor came over to

> talk and informed me that the previous tenants left

> due to illness from mold and that they IN FACT

> notified the landlord of the situation upon

> departing. I have written documentation of those

> events from them. When I spoke with the landlord

> (who happens to be a real estate attorney) he told

> me he'd have his wife sniff it out and at that point

> gave no inclination that he knew of the situation.

>

>

>

> Both my fiance and myself have been to the dr and I

> have now developed asthma and have a prescriptive

> inhaler to use now. We demanded that we be let out

> of the lease with our deposit and 5 months of paid

> rent returned for the medical bills, lost work

> compensation, and cleaning costs of furniture as

> well as clothes. The landlord did a walk through

> with us and taped the whole inspection, but when

> asked for a copy he said no.

>

>

>

> We have a lawyer but he doesn't know the real estate

> laws. Could someone lend some advice on the

> situation. I feel as though we shoudl be fully

> compensated since the landlord knew prior to us

> moving in that there was mold growing.

>

>

>

> Thank you

>

> Pennsylvania's Sick and confused

>

>

>

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> one click.

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> removed]

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>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sara,

It would be best to cut your losses and get out of

there as soon as possible. You can always use your

deposit as the last month's rent while you are looking

to relocate. (There would be not much he could do

about it really) I also had a neighbor, fairly

young, die of cancer from what I think was mold

exposure, since my adjoining condo was full of mold in

the wall cavities. A lawyer probably won't take it,

as the stakes are not quite high enough yet. You

could get a letter from the former tenants and

threaten him with exposure. Call the health dept.,

fair housing authorities, etc. Often tenants are more

protected than owners in these matters. But, the real

important thing is to just get out before your health

is really damaged. Just cut your losses and run.

Judi

--- Sara Alpsan <alps52682@...> wrote:

>

> I was wondering if anyone could lend some advice on

> what to do in my situation.

>

>

>

> My fiance and myself moved into a house almost 6

> months ago and have been sick left and right. I

> have left work early on 2 occasions with migranes

> that have physically made me sick.

>

>

>

> One of the days I was home, a neighbor came over to

> talk and informed me that the previous tenants left

> due to illness from mold and that they IN FACT

> notified the landlord of the situation upon

> departing. I have written documentation of those

> events from them. When I spoke with the landlord

> (who happens to be a real estate attorney) he told

> me he'd have his wife sniff it out and at that point

> gave no inclination that he knew of the situation.

>

>

>

> Both my fiance and myself have been to the dr and I

> have now developed asthma and have a prescriptive

> inhaler to use now. We demanded that we be let out

> of the lease with our deposit and 5 months of paid

> rent returned for the medical bills, lost work

> compensation, and cleaning costs of furniture as

> well as clothes. The landlord did a walk through

> with us and taped the whole inspection, but when

> asked for a copy he said no.

>

>

>

> We have a lawyer but he doesn't know the real estate

> laws. Could someone lend some advice on the

> situation. I feel as though we shoudl be fully

> compensated since the landlord knew prior to us

> moving in that there was mold growing.

>

>

>

> Thank you

>

> Pennsylvania's Sick and confused

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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> one click.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I think you will have to move, but I would at least try to get some of

your money back. What ever you do write letters, send certified, look

for water damage in your apartment to see if you can see where the

mold is located. Take pictures of you see some mold. You just have to

be aware that these managers usually treat you poorly once you report

a mold problem. Some states will condemn a place that has mold but

you have to get out right away. You may look for a tenant lawyer to

see if you can get some of your funds back. My mom just was able to

get about 6 months of rent and storage fee, and even pay for moving,

but it wasn't easy. The main thing save yourselves from getting

sicker. This illness is not to be fooled with.

[Guest guest]

I also live in Pennsylvania, in a mold-infested apt.

building, and the landlord knew mold was present when

I moved in, but deliberately withheld that information

from me. The building where I live was built in 1927,

and was originally a Jr. High School. I'm not exactly

sure when they closed the school, but it was boarded

up for at least 10 years, until 1995, when a large

company bought it, and during 1996 renovated it and

turned it into 48 apts. for low-income seniors. The

first tenants moved into the building in Feb. 1997.

I didn't move in until June 2001, and when I moved in,

I was healthy, but shortly after living here, I began

to get sick. I took samples from my apt. as well as

from other parts of the building, sent them to a lab,

and they came back positive for mold. After I had the

results, I notified the owner, who also manages the

building, and when they didn't do anything about the

problem, I notified the health dept., the code

enforcement office, the housing authority (HUD), and

the local newspaper, but nobody cared - nobody did

anything.

In 2003 I filed a lawsuit, but haven't gotten very far

with it. In fact, at the present time, I'm in the

process of trying to find another attorney. The owners

don't dispute the fact there is mold in the building,

but they are trying to say, it wasn't the mold that

caused me to develop asthma along with many other

health problems.

Since I found out mold was in the building, I have

been trying to find another place to live, but because

I am on disability, my income is very limited, and it

seems as though owners of apts. in decent/safe areas,

will not accept Section 8, so basically I am stuck

here. And not only is all my furniture and clothing

covered with mold, but the longer I'm here, the worse

I get, and it's very scary. I have to use a nebulizer

with Albuterol, and I also have an inhaler, and even

with them, it's a struggle to get thru the day.

No one, absolutely no one, has the right to destroy

another persons health, but that is exactly what the

owners of this building have done to me, and so far,

have gotten away with it.

I wish I could be of more help, but the most I can do

is to wish you luck, and tell you, if you can, move

out of that moldy place as fast as you can, because

your health will only get worse, the longer you are

there.

Barb E.

Southeastern PA.

--- Sara Alpsan <alps52682@...> wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone could lend some advice on

> what to do in my situation.

> Pennsylvania's Sick and confused

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[Guest guest]

Let me tell you about that lawyer I contacted after being told

that " this lawyer handles MCS cases " .

He laughed at me and said, " No, I don't work FOR people like you. I

WIN CASES against people like you, and I can tell you that you don't

have a chance. For every " expert " that you can supply who supports

your claim, I can bring in a hundred experts who can demonstrate that

there is NO precedence, NO science and NO merit to your lawsuit.

I will destroy your case with ease, and my professional advice to you

is to drop it. You can't afford what I, and lawyers like me will do

to you " .

This was seven years ago, but it still looks to me like it takes a

great deal of resources and an incredibly prolonged battle to have any

chance of winnning - and most of us simply don't have the time and

money to pursue it - no matter whether we are right or wrong.

So it's not a case of just demonstrating the injustice, it's whether

you have the strength and money to overcome a system that is working

against you.

-

[Guest guest]

,

Sorry to say I definately have to agree that there is still so much

ignorance surrounding MCS as there is about mold. What will it take

to enlighten agencies, organizations, assoications, and primarily

our medical field?

I read about MSC in the very beginning while I was searching for

information why Sharon was feeling or experiencing so many differnt

symptoms, mainly the severe headpain. Thank God that has somewhat

gotten better. But when I read how people react to chemicals and

certain odors, may first thought was that's odd and read a little

bit about it, it really didn't pertain to me at that time, so I

didn't pursue further.

This is one wakeup call that was not a very pleasant one, when

Sharon was experiencing some of her first hits. There is definately

a difference in mold and chemical reactions and for those of you

that are new to this board, this will take a little bit of time to

figure out the differences. Several professionals that were aware of

this type of reaction (MCS) did not inform me that this was a

possibility and didn't not want it to be psychosomatic. Which I

don't know how this would be possible on my end. In much of my

research, the symptoms, illnesses or any other possibilites on this

could affect her, I had never mentioned, (I kept this information to

myself, because it was very upsetting.) She was not the one on the

computer, it was me and I would not tell her of this type of

information until after she started experiencing it, then I would

inform her what I read about this.

Yes, Sharon did come down with MCS two years after her mold

exposure, it has not let up or eased up and the only thing that has

truly helped, Yes , is avoidance. lol The sorriest part about

those that are in denial (and we know who falls under that category)

and this has come close several times, is walking into a doctor's

office, attorney's office, courtroom or judges chambers and take a

nasty hit to where fear not only rushes through you , but also your

partner, along with everybody else that is noticing this. Now she

can become very close to passing out and has had to be carried out

at the last minute. Thank goodness it was still soon enough.

Bottomline she goes into anaphylactic shock.

One day in particular comes to mind is when we were in a courtroom

to where she had a severe reaction, and even if she passed out

completely, gasping for air, they still didn't believe what was

happening right in front of them. Because of the severity of the

reactions, it had been suggested that I learn the procedure on how

to put a trache tube in. I hope I don't have to live this day. Even

though I know what is taking place and she has recovered from all of

her hits to mold or chemical, sometimes I take it too lightly, even

though many times I have been warned by several physicians that her

chemcial reaction could be lifethreatening.

There have been times that friends of ours have asked if this body

lotion or that lotion is ok. Sharon would smell the bottle (I had

heart failure each time she did this) she handed it back to them and

said, it's ok. Absolutely no problem. After coming out of the shower

and using the lotion, the person walked into the room we were in and

Sharon had an immediate reaction. She ran outside to get fresh air

and my friend ran into the shower, I started opening up windows and

doors. Now we are only talking a 10 second hit, she had no voice for

4 days and it was hard to swallow.

How can anybody fake something like this, we have been told by one

physician that she trained her body to react in this manner. Any of

you remember going through any special training to do this, cause

this is one hell of a trick.

How do we tell or ask our medical community to wake up for the

patients best interest and not others?! Hasn't our health care

providers and organizations seen enough of this? We've only asked

for one thing, and that is to help us to regain our health, so we

are not a strain on our economy, but a once again a vibrant

productive person. Darn a taxpayer. lol

The research is there and we definately know the patients are there.

We don't care what the medical community defines or what " new

disease label " they put on it (other than crazy) just acknowledge it

and treat it. I don't think that's too much to ask of anyone. If

they can't admit to what caused it, the point is, it's happening

from some form of exposure, toxic/allergic reaction. The importance

of entry whether through inhalation, ingestion, whatever, again what

difference does it really make, as long as they treat and take what

is right before them seriously. Many physicians, (not all, so I

don't mean to insult anyone here,) ignore even the simplists signs

whether they can visually see the reaction, or manually feel the

reaction. Why is that? Duh.... Let's ignore the obvious.

Procedures need to change.

KC

>

> Let me tell you about that lawyer I contacted after being told

> that " this lawyer handles MCS cases " .

> He laughed at me and said, " No, I don't work FOR people like you.

I

> WIN CASES against people like you, and I can tell you that you

don't

> have a chance. For every " expert " that you can supply who supports

> your claim, I can bring in a hundred experts who can demonstrate

that

> there is NO precedence, NO science and NO merit to your lawsuit.

> I will destroy your case with ease, and my professional advice to

you

> is to drop it. You can't afford what I, and lawyers like me will

do

> to you " .

>

>

> This was seven years ago, but it still looks to me like it takes a

> great deal of resources and an incredibly prolonged battle to have

any

> chance of winnning - and most of us simply don't have the time and

> money to pursue it - no matter whether we are right or wrong.

> So it's not a case of just demonstrating the injustice, it's

whether

> you have the strength and money to overcome a system that is

working

> against you.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

I'M SORRY TO HEAR THIS ABOUT YOUR SITUATION, BARBARA. I KNOW ALLLLLLL TOO

WELL THAT FEELING, TOO. MY EMPLOYER DID THAT TO MANY PEOPLE TOO, & THEY

DENY ANYYYYYYYYY LIABILITY! ITS SICK, ITS DISGUSTING, & I DON'T KNOW HOW

THOSE SO-CALLED " MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS " SLEEP AT NIGHT. GOD WILL GET THEM

FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE. OF THAT , BE FOREVER SURE. JUST AS YOUR LANDLORDS

WON'T GET BY WITH THEIR ACTIONS EITHER--JUST WAIT & SEE. THERE'S AN OLD

SAYING THAT " WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND. " I BELIEVE THAT.

TAKE CARE,

VICTORIA

Re: [] Mold in a rental property-Landlord knew

>I also live in Pennsylvania, in a mold-infested apt.

> building, and the landlord knew mold was present when

> I moved in, but deliberately withheld that information

> from me. The building where I live was built in 1927,

> and was originally a Jr. High School. I'm not exactly

> sure when they closed the school, but it was boarded

> up for at least 10 years, until 1995, when a large

> company bought it, and during 1996 renovated it and

> turned it into 48 apts. for low-income seniors. The

> first tenants moved into the building in Feb. 1997.

>

> I didn't move in until June 2001, and when I moved in,

> I was healthy, but shortly after living here, I began

> to get sick. I took samples from my apt. as well as

> from other parts of the building, sent them to a lab,

> and they came back positive for mold. After I had the

> results, I notified the owner, who also manages the

> building, and when they didn't do anything about the

> problem, I notified the health dept., the code

> enforcement office, the housing authority (HUD), and

> the local newspaper, but nobody cared - nobody did

> anything.

>

> In 2003 I filed a lawsuit, but haven't gotten very far

> with it. In fact, at the present time, I'm in the

> process of trying to find another attorney. The owners

> don't dispute the fact there is mold in the building,

> but they are trying to say, it wasn't the mold that

> caused me to develop asthma along with many other

> health problems.

>

> Since I found out mold was in the building, I have

> been trying to find another place to live, but because

> I am on disability, my income is very limited, and it

> seems as though owners of apts. in decent/safe areas,

> will not accept Section 8, so basically I am stuck

> here. And not only is all my furniture and clothing

> covered with mold, but the longer I'm here, the worse

> I get, and it's very scary. I have to use a nebulizer

> with Albuterol, and I also have an inhaler, and even

> with them, it's a struggle to get thru the day.

>

> No one, absolutely no one, has the right to destroy

> another persons health, but that is exactly what the

> owners of this building have done to me, and so far,

> have gotten away with it.

>

> I wish I could be of more help, but the most I can do

> is to wish you luck, and tell you, if you can, move

> out of that moldy place as fast as you can, because

> your health will only get worse, the longer you are

> there.

>

> Barb E.

> Southeastern PA.

>

>

>

>

> --- Sara Alpsan <alps52682@...> wrote:

>

>>I was wondering if anyone could lend some advice on

>> what to do in my situation.

>

>> Pennsylvania's Sick and confused

>

>

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[Guest guest]

KC (and your wife, too),

Please accept my sympathies. I have been going through this too. It is so

upsetting to have

your throat close down, blood pressure hit a new low, and the panic

starts....what is it this

time? Run for the door and the fresh air while you can still move......

I really wish the doctors were a little bit scientific (again, not all, just

most of the ones I

have been to), and less religious in their beliefs. They irrationally cling to

ideas that are

proven wrong over and over, in front of their own eyes, even, and yet they

continue to

spout nonsense like a tiny tot.

It was so severely taxing to be called in effect, a liar, when I knew it was a

physical reaction

to something that felt for all the world like an infection coming and going (for

a while,

anyway). Until finally, someone believed me, they didn't question my sanity, and

they knew

what at least part of the problem was, and how to treat it. I could kiss his

feet. All of their

feet. But of course, they wouldn't let me, they are just doing thier job....

Procedures DO need to change, I wish sooner than later for the sake of all of

us, and the

ones who are going to be suffering in the future.

I wish I could say something to appreciate the plight of the spouses that have

to watch us

suffer, and live with the fall out from this problem.

> >

> > Let me tell you about that lawyer I contacted after being told

> > that " this lawyer handles MCS cases " .

> > He laughed at me and said, " No, I don't work FOR people like you.

> I

> > WIN CASES against people like you, and I can tell you that you

> don't

> > have a chance. For every " expert " that you can supply who supports

> > your claim, I can bring in a hundred experts who can demonstrate

> that

> > there is NO precedence, NO science and NO merit to your lawsuit.

> > I will destroy your case with ease, and my professional advice to

> you

> > is to drop it. You can't afford what I, and lawyers like me will

> do

> > to you " .

> >

> >

> > This was seven years ago, but it still looks to me like it takes a

> > great deal of resources and an incredibly prolonged battle to have

> any

> > chance of winnning - and most of us simply don't have the time and

> > money to pursue it - no matter whether we are right or wrong.

> > So it's not a case of just demonstrating the injustice, it's

> whether

> > you have the strength and money to overcome a system that is

> working

> > against you.

> > -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well said KC. I think if someone would help us with the MCS I could

almost live with this illness. It hurts so much but not all the

time. That is what is so hard to deal with that I can be going along

doing pretty good and then someone does something as simple as cook

something and I am in severe pain. Usually it is the most difficult

when you can't get out of the area that has fragrance or smoke or

whatever. Like in the winter and the people downstairs are cooking

cabbage all day will really make me sick. They cook it all day and

then I try to open the window to get air but they are doing wash and

detergent fumes are coming through the window. It is like you are

trapped and can't breathe. I guess one way to explain it is alot

like when you are pregnant and have morning sickness. The smell of

gasoline or cooking, or just food can make you so sick. The same for

some people taking chemo. Probably when your immune system in weak

these chemicals, etc cause problems for the weaker people. Of course

it doesn't help that they use dangerous chemicals in just about

everything. That is what I live for regulation of the chemicals, but

according to the Bush administration that would cause the world

economy to be destroyed. I wonder what is the difference is a drug

dealer and how they let these companies put the drugs in our body for

profit.

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

i am sorry to hear your story. I am experiencing some " moisture "

issues myself.

I do have to tell you one thing though. I have pointed out to my

landlord that all this moisture is not going away. I told the guy

that my health comes first and if i can manage to leave the

appartment and not be charged a termination fee i will be happy.

This is how i see it, I would have to move out from this place

eventually, so why dont do it now, at least now when i can walk and

breath and move my boxes right away. just think about the money you

are saving yourself from less visits to doctors and prescriptions.

If the landlord is not supplying you with a copy of the tape, why

dont you make your own tape and take your own pictures. If there is

any visible mold, go ahead and take as many pictures as possible, i

would even take them to the local wallgreens and get them in print,

pay and save the receipt so i can document the dates.

ambatillo

> >

> > Let me tell you about that lawyer I contacted after being told

> > that " this lawyer handles MCS cases " .

> > He laughed at me and said, " No, I don't work FOR people like you.

> I

> > WIN CASES against people like you, and I can tell you that you

> don't

> > have a chance. For every " expert " that you can supply who

supports

> > your claim, I can bring in a hundred experts who can demonstrate

> that

> > there is NO precedence, NO science and NO merit to your lawsuit.

> > I will destroy your case with ease, and my professional advice to

> you

> > is to drop it. You can't afford what I, and lawyers like me will

> do

> > to you " .

> >

> >

> > This was seven years ago, but it still looks to me like it takes

a

> > great deal of resources and an incredibly prolonged battle to

have

> any

> > chance of winnning - and most of us simply don't have the time

and

> > money to pursue it - no matter whether we are right or wrong.

> > So it's not a case of just demonstrating the injustice, it's

> whether

> > you have the strength and money to overcome a system that is

> working

> > against you.

> > -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so disgusted once again with how people can sleep at night knowing that

they are deliberately making their tenants suffer. I'm calling dr in the

morning and going to get my blood work done. Can anyone tell me again what test

i ask for? I am even more depressed and sick to my stomach to read how the

landlords are able to get away with kind of stuff. I've just watched 2

landlords now get away with it for 7 years. The new apt i was supposed to be

moving

into it appeared to me i found black mold Thank god i was smart enough to go

take a peak at which one i was going to move into. Needless to say i am not

moving there.

Thanks for having this group. It's like a world full of knowledge in here:0)

I want to do research from state to state to see how many section 8 tenants

are living in mold and which management companies are owners of these apt's

using rental agencies to deal with the tenants.

In a message dated 11/14/2005 7:01:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

quackadillian@... writes:

Anybody whos reading.. Please don 't do this.

Pat, I certainly understand how you feel. I'm in the same situation.

But you make your point by saying this here but anybody's reality of

actually doing that could be that they would be (if it was real)

endangering them and yourselfves further and (regardless) alienating

many people who would otherwise be sympathetic. People have every

right to be disturbed. In the post 9/11 world, people are scared.

Ironically, I wouldn't be surprised if this would activate some kind

of terrorism statute concerning attack with weapons of mass

destruction. (biotoxins) and so, someone deliberately exposing another

to mold could end up in jail for the rest of their lives. (UNLESS they

are a landlord, it seems. ) Because what you described

has elements of terrorism.

At the very least then they would probably sue YOU for intentional

inflictment of emotional distress. Dont worry, I see the irony, but

this is a nasty situation in which they are desperate for an out and

guaranteed, under that circumstance, they WILL take advantage of you

in any way they can, you must already know that.

Why don't lawyers call mold terrorism what it is - mold terrorism?

It might shock some people, but I don't see why people who live in

houses or people who have to work in moldy workplaces or attend moldy

schools should be treated any differently than any other victims of

terrible crimes just because they are often poor and unglamorous and

the WMD that they are attacked with is 'embedded' in their homes?

For example, often landlords will defer maintainance because they want

a tenant to move..

When mold is involved, and the landlord knows about it, if you ask me,

that should be considered terrorism.. Because the level of fear mold

inspires, because of its effect on health is terror. And because

mycotoxins are WMD. What are people supposed to do, move out into the

street if they cant find comparable housing at an affordable price?

Pretend that its available and that they are simply 'choosing' to

endanger their health in the moldy hell in their unmaintained

apartments? That seems to be the way lawyers and corporations think.

Its evil.

There should be an affirmative obligation on the part of landlords to

attack mold under any circumstance its found. If they need to spend

money to clean it up, and THEY are low income, loans should be

available to them at zero interest to do it. SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE AN

EXCUSE TO HURT PEOPLE ON ANY LEVEL.

By the way, unrelated, but I recently saw again the 1960s classic film

" midnight cowboy' with Hoffmann and Jon Voight and clearly,

mold (or TB) is involved as a player of sorts in that film, with

predictably tragic results..

On 11/14/05, Patilla DaHun <glypella@...> wrote:

> , that's when you need a ziploc baggy full of something benign

> that looks like mold to open up and throw in their face. Then you need

> a good digital camera to capture the look on the smug SOB!

>

> As I've mentioned before, we should be armed with a jar that looks

> like stachy in it or even the real thing and open it to pass around to

> the insurers and the lawyers when things aren't going well in the

> courtroom. Tell them to take a whiff or to touch it if they believe it

> isn't poisonous.

>

> Barth

>

> TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html

>

> ---

>

> e> Let me tell you about that lawyer I contacted after being told

> e> that " this lawyer handles MCS cases " .

> e> He laughed at me and said, " No, I don't work FOR people like you. I

> e> WIN CASES against people like you, and I can tell you that you don't

> e> have a chance. For every " expert " that you can supply who supports

> e> your claim, I can bring in a hundred experts who can demonstrate that

> e> there is NO precedence, NO science and NO merit to your lawsuit.

> e> I will destroy your case with ease, and my professional advice to you

> e> is to drop it. You can't afford what I, and lawyers like me will do

> e> to you " .

>

>

> e> This was seven years ago, but it still looks to me like it takes a

> e> great deal of resources and an incredibly prolonged battle to have any

> e> chance of winnning - and most of us simply don't have the time and

> e> money to pursue it - no matter whether we are right or wrong.

> e> So it's not a case of just demonstrating the injustice, it's whether

> e> you have the strength and money to overcome a system that is working

> e> against you.

> e> -

[Guest guest]

, that's when you need a ziploc baggy full of something benign

that looks like mold to open up and throw in their face. Then you need

a good digital camera to capture the look on the smug SOB!

As I've mentioned before, we should be armed with a jar that looks

like stachy in it or even the real thing and open it to pass around to

the insurers and the lawyers when things aren't going well in the

courtroom. Tell them to take a whiff or to touch it if they believe it

isn't poisonous.

Barth

TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html

---

e> Let me tell you about that lawyer I contacted after being told

e> that " this lawyer handles MCS cases " .

e> He laughed at me and said, " No, I don't work FOR people like you. I

e> WIN CASES against people like you, and I can tell you that you don't

e> have a chance. For every " expert " that you can supply who supports

e> your claim, I can bring in a hundred experts who can demonstrate that

e> there is NO precedence, NO science and NO merit to your lawsuit.

e> I will destroy your case with ease, and my professional advice to you

e> is to drop it. You can't afford what I, and lawyers like me will do

e> to you " .

e> This was seven years ago, but it still looks to me like it takes a

e> great deal of resources and an incredibly prolonged battle to have any

e> chance of winnning - and most of us simply don't have the time and

e> money to pursue it - no matter whether we are right or wrong.

e> So it's not a case of just demonstrating the injustice, it's whether

e> you have the strength and money to overcome a system that is working

e> against you.

e> -

e> FAIR USE NOTICE:

e>

[Guest guest]

Anybody whos reading.. Please don 't do this.

Pat, I certainly understand how you feel. I'm in the same situation.

But you make your point by saying this here but anybody's reality of

actually doing that could be that they would be (if it was real)

endangering them and yourselfves further and (regardless) alienating

many people who would otherwise be sympathetic. People have every

right to be disturbed. In the post 9/11 world, people are scared.

Ironically, I wouldn't be surprised if this would activate some kind

of terrorism statute concerning attack with weapons of mass

destruction. (biotoxins) and so, someone deliberately exposing another

to mold could end up in jail for the rest of their lives. (UNLESS they

are a landlord, it seems. ) Because what you described

has elements of terrorism.

At the very least then they would probably sue YOU for intentional

inflictment of emotional distress. Dont worry, I see the irony, but

this is a nasty situation in which they are desperate for an out and

guaranteed, under that circumstance, they WILL take advantage of you

in any way they can, you must already know that.

Why don't lawyers call mold terrorism what it is - mold terrorism?

It might shock some people, but I don't see why people who live in

houses or people who have to work in moldy workplaces or attend moldy

schools should be treated any differently than any other victims of

terrible crimes just because they are often poor and unglamorous and

the WMD that they are attacked with is 'embedded' in their homes?

For example, often landlords will defer maintainance because they want

a tenant to move..

When mold is involved, and the landlord knows about it, if you ask me,

that should be considered terrorism.. Because the level of fear mold

inspires, because of its effect on health is terror. And because

mycotoxins are WMD. What are people supposed to do, move out into the

street if they cant find comparable housing at an affordable price?

Pretend that its available and that they are simply 'choosing' to

endanger their health in the moldy hell in their unmaintained

apartments? That seems to be the way lawyers and corporations think.

Its evil.

There should be an affirmative obligation on the part of landlords to

attack mold under any circumstance its found. If they need to spend

money to clean it up, and THEY are low income, loans should be

available to them at zero interest to do it. SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE AN

EXCUSE TO HURT PEOPLE ON ANY LEVEL.

By the way, unrelated, but I recently saw again the 1960s classic film

" midnight cowboy' with Hoffmann and Jon Voight and clearly,

mold (or TB) is involved as a player of sorts in that film, with

predictably tragic results..

On 11/14/05, Patilla DaHun <glypella@...> wrote:

> , that's when you need a ziploc baggy full of something benign

> that looks like mold to open up and throw in their face. Then you need

> a good digital camera to capture the look on the smug SOB!

>

> As I've mentioned before, we should be armed with a jar that looks

> like stachy in it or even the real thing and open it to pass around to

> the insurers and the lawyers when things aren't going well in the

> courtroom. Tell them to take a whiff or to touch it if they believe it

> isn't poisonous.

>

> Barth

>

> TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html

>

> ---

>

> e> Let me tell you about that lawyer I contacted after being told

> e> that " this lawyer handles MCS cases " .

> e> He laughed at me and said, " No, I don't work FOR people like you. I

> e> WIN CASES against people like you, and I can tell you that you don't

> e> have a chance. For every " expert " that you can supply who supports

> e> your claim, I can bring in a hundred experts who can demonstrate that

> e> there is NO precedence, NO science and NO merit to your lawsuit.

> e> I will destroy your case with ease, and my professional advice to you

> e> is to drop it. You can't afford what I, and lawyers like me will do

> e> to you " .

>

>

> e> This was seven years ago, but it still looks to me like it takes a

> e> great deal of resources and an incredibly prolonged battle to have any

> e> chance of winnning - and most of us simply don't have the time and

> e> money to pursue it - no matter whether we are right or wrong.

> e> So it's not a case of just demonstrating the injustice, it's whether

> e> you have the strength and money to overcome a system that is working

> e> against you.

> e> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> e> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

> e>

[Guest guest]

dmcouimette,

I wish I had someone like you near me many knows but the contractors has all the

gold and renters and people like myself with the section 8 Voucher are nothing

more than targets that they know. there big time Attorneys can pay off some of

the Judges and the NAACP or Legal Aid or any other group will do nothing but

sat back and watch. Long story I'm the perfect example never late with my rent

Yet www.Floridahousingtrustgroup they may have a name change by now also one

called Corner Stone all out of Miami.

The Attorney for this group some one needs to investigate them e A

Sawyers, Esq. Law Offices of Lowenhaupt & Sawyers Miami Crooks nothing but high

class crooks it's a shame what's going on in the State of Florida Oh how I wish

I had someone like you dmcouimette.

Peace

Elvira

Re: [] Re: Mold in a rental property-Landlord knew

I'm so disgusted once again with how people can sleep at night knowing that

they are deliberately making their tenants suffer. I'm calling dr in the

morning and going to get my blood work done. Can anyone tell me again what

test

i ask for? I am even more depressed and sick to my stomach to read how the

landlords are able to get away with kind of stuff. I've just watched 2

landlords now get away with it for 7 years. The new apt i was supposed to be

moving

into it appeared to me i found black mold Thank god i was smart enough to go

take a peak at which one i was going to move into. Needless to say i am not

moving there.

Thanks for having this group. It's like a world full of knowledge in here:0)

I want to do research from state to state to see how many section 8 tenants

are living in mold and which management companies are owners of these apt's

using rental agencies to deal with the tenants.

In a message dated 11/14/2005 7:01:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

quackadillian@... writes:

Anybody whos reading.. Please don 't do this.

Pat, I certainly understand how you feel. I'm in the same situation.

But you make your point by saying this here but anybody's reality of

actually doing that could be that they would be (if it was real)

endangering them and yourselfves further and (regardless) alienating

many people who would otherwise be sympathetic. People have every

right to be disturbed. In the post 9/11 world, people are scared.

Ironically, I wouldn't be surprised if this would activate some kind

of terrorism statute concerning attack with weapons of mass

destruction. (biotoxins) and so, someone deliberately exposing another

to mold could end up in jail for the rest of their lives. (UNLESS they

are a landlord, it seems. ) Because what you described

has elements of terrorism.

At the very least then they would probably sue YOU for intentional

inflictment of emotional distress. Dont worry, I see the irony, but

this is a nasty situation in which they are desperate for an out and

guaranteed, under that circumstance, they WILL take advantage of you

in any way they can, you must already know that.

Why don't lawyers call mold terrorism what it is - mold terrorism?

It might shock some people, but I don't see why people who live in

houses or people who have to work in moldy workplaces or attend moldy

schools should be treated any differently than any other victims of

terrible crimes just because they are often poor and unglamorous and

the WMD that they are attacked with is 'embedded' in their homes?

For example, often landlords will defer maintainance because they want

a tenant to move..

When mold is involved, and the landlord knows about it, if you ask me,

that should be considered terrorism.. Because the level of fear mold

inspires, because of its effect on health is terror. And because

mycotoxins are WMD. What are people supposed to do, move out into the

street if they cant find comparable housing at an affordable price?

Pretend that its available and that they are simply 'choosing' to

endanger their health in the moldy hell in their unmaintained

apartments? That seems to be the way lawyers and corporations think.

Its evil.

There should be an affirmative obligation on the part of landlords to

attack mold under any circumstance its found. If they need to spend

money to clean it up, and THEY are low income, loans should be

available to them at zero interest to do it. SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE AN

EXCUSE TO HURT PEOPLE ON ANY LEVEL.

By the way, unrelated, but I recently saw again the 1960s classic film

" midnight cowboy' with Hoffmann and Jon Voight and clearly,

mold (or TB) is involved as a player of sorts in that film, with

predictably tragic results..

On 11/14/05, Patilla DaHun <glypella@...> wrote:

> , that's when you need a ziploc baggy full of something benign

> that looks like mold to open up and throw in their face. Then you need

> a good digital camera to capture the look on the smug SOB!

>

> As I've mentioned before, we should be armed with a jar that looks

> like stachy in it or even the real thing and open it to pass around to

> the insurers and the lawyers when things aren't going well in the

> courtroom. Tell them to take a whiff or to touch it if they believe it

> isn't poisonous.

>

> Barth

>

> TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html

>

> ---

>

> e> Let me tell you about that lawyer I contacted after being told

> e> that " this lawyer handles MCS cases " .

> e> He laughed at me and said, " No, I don't work FOR people like you. I

> e> WIN CASES against people like you, and I can tell you that you don't

> e> have a chance. For every " expert " that you can supply who supports

> e> your claim, I can bring in a hundred experts who can demonstrate that

> e> there is NO precedence, NO science and NO merit to your lawsuit.

> e> I will destroy your case with ease, and my professional advice to you

> e> is to drop it. You can't afford what I, and lawyers like me will do

> e> to you " .

>

>

> e> This was seven years ago, but it still looks to me like it takes a

> e> great deal of resources and an incredibly prolonged battle to have any

> e> chance of winnning - and most of us simply don't have the time and

> e> money to pursue it - no matter whether we are right or wrong.

> e> So it's not a case of just demonstrating the injustice, it's whether

> e> you have the strength and money to overcome a system that is working

> e> against you.

> e> -

[Guest guest]

--- Patilla DaHun wrote:

>

> , that's when you need a ziploc baggy full of something benign

> that looks like mold to open up and throw in their face. Then you

need a good digital camera to capture the look on the smug SOB!

Tell them to take a whiff or to touch it if they believe it

> isn't poisonous.

Believe you me! It's been seriously considered!

The drawback is that if one isn't sensitized, they'll have no serious

response and this will convince them even further that you must be

completely mad.

You'd have to smear their house or workplace with a lot of mold - and

even then it'd only slam 'em if they had the dreaded mold gene.

It's just not fair!

-

[Guest guest]

OMG, WOULD I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEE TO DO THAT TO SOME PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

V.

[] Re: Mold in a rental property-Landlord knew

> --- Patilla DaHun wrote:

>>

>> , that's when you need a ziploc baggy full of something benign

>> that looks like mold to open up and throw in their face. Then you

> need a good digital camera to capture the look on the smug SOB!

> Tell them to take a whiff or to touch it if they believe it

>> isn't poisonous.

>

> Believe you me! It's been seriously considered!

> The drawback is that if one isn't sensitized, they'll have no serious

> response and this will convince them even further that you must be

> completely mad.

> You'd have to smear their house or workplace with a lot of mold - and

> even then it'd only slam 'em if they had the dreaded mold gene.

> It's just not fair!

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>