Re: what can I take with me?

[Guest guest]

HI ,

I wouldn't take anything from the closets. If you insist on taking them

though,

I wouldn't pull them out until you had everything that you DON'T react to

out of the place. Just disturbing the closets will cross contaminate.

You'll need to get showered after moving that stuff to an alternative site

too

before walking into your new place.

Cross contamination is evil !

Angelika

[] what can I take with me?

> Hi all

> I am currently getting the Shoemaker tests for biotoxin illness but I

don't

> have the results yet. I am pretty sure my closets are moldy, but not my

main

> living area. I have kept the closets closed for months and don't use

> anything in them. I am hoping to get out of here soon and don't know what

to

> take with me when I do. I have MCS so I am pretty sensitive to things. I

> tolerate most things in my main apartment (in terms of " mold " ) but react

to

> the closets and the clothes in the closets.

>

> Is it safe to bring my furniture and papers and books from my main apt,

that

> I live with every day and seem to be ok with? What about books and

> photographs being stored in my closets? Can I box them separately and put

> them in a garage with the hopes of eventually using them, or are they lost

> forever?

>

> I know people have written about walking away from everything one owns. If

> it turns out I don't have mold illness, but am just sensitive to mold due

to

> my MCS, is there a chance I can reduce my sensitivity once I move to the

> country and actually use all my stuff down the line? Any comments

> appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi all

> I am currently getting the Shoemaker tests for biotoxin illness but I don't

> have the results yet. I am pretty sure my closets are moldy, but not my main

> living area. I have kept the closets closed for months and don't use

> anything in them. I am hoping to get out of here soon and don't know what to

> take with me when I do. I have MCS so I am pretty sensitive to things. I

> tolerate most things in my main apartment (in terms of " mold " ) but react to

> the closets and the clothes in the closets.

>

> Is it safe to bring my furniture and papers and books from my main apt, that

> I live with every day and seem to be ok with? What about books and

> photographs being stored in my closets? Can I box them separately and put

> them in a garage with the hopes of eventually using them, or are they lost

> forever?

>

> I know people have written about walking away from everything one owns. If

> it turns out I don't have mold illness, but am just sensitive to mold due to

> my MCS, is there a chance I can reduce my sensitivity once I move to the

> country and actually use all my stuff down the line? Any comments

> appreciated.

>

I also have a problem kinda like this. I am trying to get the contaminated stuff

removed

from the house, but it is an awful job....... I got some plastic boxes and have

put some

stuff into them, and it does seem to block the toxins. paper boxes do not do

that.

My vote would be to definately get someone else to box up the closet stuff to

put into

storage for you, if you can't bear to get rid of it. The sooner, the better, esp

if you are out

of the house.........I keep getting sick when anything is stirred up around

here- I think the

dust is toxic, since mopping the floors helps.

About the stuff in the house, well, I guess you could see which causes

reactions. You

know has some good suggestions about that. Go to a " safe " place, stay for a

couple of

weeks, or until you feel much better, then one by one try things to see what is

what.

It is a sensible approach, and wish I could do it- I am soooootired. and the

windows have

to be closed. I am thinking about moving in with a friend for awhile.

At least I can go to the coop once in a while.

I would also like to hear any ideas, etc.

kathryn

[Guest guest]

> I know people have written about walking away from everything one

owns. If it turns out I don't have mold illness, but am just

sensitive to mold due to my MCS, is there a chance I can reduce my

sensitivity once I move to the country and actually use all my stuff

down the line? Any comments appreciated.

>

Check out Dr Kleins Stachybotrys website.

wwwstachy.5u.com

I think that I was more amazed than anyone that mold avoidance caused

my other chemical sensitivities to disappear, but since then I've

found that many others have also determined that their chemical

reactions were primarily upregulated by mycotoxin exposure rather than

the opposite - which is what they were firmly convinced of for years.

-

[Guest guest]

I don't know what works for everyone, but what we did was just take the hard

surface stuff. We had someone come in and the take the stuff out, wash it

down with bleach outside, and then let it sit in the sun for a day before we

brought it into our new house. Then we brought stuff in one item at a time.

It was a real pain, but worth it. The only thing we ended up having to take

back out was one antique dresser and one antique mirror.

We left most of our stuff in the old house. The new buyers, who were not

sensitive to mold and appear to be just fine (after they finished remediation),

bagged and seperated our stuff for us. Much of the pictures, baby clothes,

etc are now in a storage unit. Have not been in there to see if and how I

would react. All that stuff I collected for years and was so upset about

having

to leave, well I don't miss it one bit now and I am enjoying simplicity.

Sharon

In a message dated 11/6/2005 9:20:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

kl_clayton@... writes:

>

> Hi all

> I am currently getting the Shoemaker tests for biotoxin illness but I

don't

> have the results yet. I am pretty sure my closets are moldy, but not my

main

> living area. I have kept the closets closed for months and don't use

> anything in them. I am hoping to get out of here soon and don't know what

to

> take with me when I do. I have MCS so I am pretty sensitive to things. I

> tolerate most things in my main apartment (in terms of " mold " ) but react

to

> the closets and the clothes in the closets.

>

> Is it safe to bring my furniture and papers and books from my main apt,

that

> I live with every day and seem to be ok with? What about books and

> photographs being stored in my closets? Can I box them separately and put

> them in a garage with the hopes of eventually using them, or are they lost

> forever?

>

> I know people have written about walking away from everything one owns. If

> it turns out I don't have mold illness, but am just sensitive to mold due

to

> my MCS, is there a chance I can reduce my sensitivity once I move to the

> country and actually use all my stuff down the line? Any comments

> appreciated.

>

I also have a problem kinda like this. I am trying to get the contaminated

stuff removed

from the house, but it is an awful job....... I got some plastic boxes and

have put some

stuff into them, and it does seem to block the toxins. paper boxes do not do

that.

My vote would be to definately get someone else to box up the closet stuff

to put into

storage for you, if you can't bear to get rid of it. The sooner, the better,

esp if you are out

of the house.........I keep getting sick when anything is stirred up around

here- I think the

dust is toxic, since mopping the floors helps.

About the stuff in the house, well, I guess you could see which causes

reactions. You

know has some good suggestions about that. Go to a " safe " place, stay

for a couple of

weeks, or until you feel much better, then one by one try things to see what

is what.

It is a sensible approach, and wish I could do it- I am soooootired. and the

windows have

to be closed. I am thinking about moving in with a friend for awhile.

At least I can go to the coop once in a while.

I would also like to hear any ideas, etc.

kathryn

[Guest guest]

Yes, when I first developed MCS years ago, I did not realise that it

was from a short but devestating exposure to mold. Now my MCS

changes depending if I have had an exposure or not-I would store all

the things I want and not go near them till you feel completly well

for a while- also I am taking things out of storage to go to my new

house that I feel I have managed to remediate- but only after

totally testing each piece- I am not bothering to store anything

made of wood except art work- wood has a cellular structure, and is

pourous, that I feel absorbs the toxins more than something of

metal, porcelain or plastic

karen

>

>

> > I know people have written about walking away from everything

one

> owns. If it turns out I don't have mold illness, but am just

> sensitive to mold due to my MCS, is there a chance I can reduce my

> sensitivity once I move to the country and actually use all my

stuff

> down the line? Any comments appreciated.

> >

>

>

> Check out Dr Kleins Stachybotrys website.

> wwwstachy.5u.com

>

> I think that I was more amazed than anyone that mold avoidance

caused

> my other chemical sensitivities to disappear, but since then I've

> found that many others have also determined that their chemical

> reactions were primarily upregulated by mycotoxin exposure rather

than

> the opposite - which is what they were firmly convinced of for

years.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

" carondeen " < wrote:

>

> Yes, when I first developed MCS years ago, I did not realise that

it was from a short but devestating exposure to mold. Now my MCS

> changes depending if I have had an exposure or not-I would store

all the things I want and not go near them till you feel completly

well for a while- also I am taking things out of storage to go to

my new house that I feel I have managed to remediate- but only

after totally testing each piece- I am not bothering to store

anything made of wood except art work- wood has a cellular

structure, and is pourous, that I feel absorbs the toxins more than

something of metal, porcelain or plastic

> karen

That's been my experience too, except that I just can't predict

which wood objects are going to denature the toxins.

Some wood seems to denature over time while others retain their

toxic potential to an absolutely ferocious degree - and I just can't

discern any pattern or any means to predict which ones it will be.

So I just rely on the 'One thing at a time' method of introduction

into the safe zone to determine if it's something I want to deal

with.

I still feel that many people may be unnecessarily discarding

precious and irreplaceable possessions that would probably die-down

if given enough time.

-

[Guest guest]

Thank you and for your responses. Wow, I thought I had to

lose everything. This gives me a lot of hope. I guess I will just place

all in storage until I have recovered enough to test it out. Does this

include paperwork (ie medical records and stuff that are currently in

the moldy closet)...will those denature in time too? Thanks!

From: " erikmoldwarrior " <erikmoldwarrior@...>

I still feel that many people may be unnecessarily discarding

precious and irreplaceable possessions that would probably die-down

if given enough time.

[Guest guest]

Does this include paperwork (ie medical records and stuff that are

currently in the moldy closet)...will those denature in time too?

Thanks!

>

Dr D tells me that she's been feeling good enough (and brave enough)

to get her stuff out of storage after four years and cautiously re-

introduce possessions to her new environment and that her kitchenware

and things like books that were loosely packed, with lots of air

circulation are just fine, but that she is still having difficulty

with a few objects that were wrapped up tightly.

So Dr D thinks that air circulation is better than tight packing based

on her experience.

Paperwork appears to be OK.

But duration of object contamination and toxin potential are going to

play the dominent role in longevity of toxicity, so one has to be

really careful about re-introduction and handling of contaminated

possession.

It's a pain, but for some things - better than losing them forever.

-

[Guest guest]

I am assuming the stuff is stored in cardboard boxes? Maybe new ones not the

same old

moldy ones from the closet/basement?

I have just got some plastic boxes to keep it from bothering me in the basement,

but

maybe for the stuff I put in the garage, it should be in cardboard...

--- In , " erikmoldwarrior " <erikmoldwarrior@e...>

wrote:

>

> Does this include paperwork (ie medical records and stuff that are

> currently in the moldy closet)...will those denature in time too?

> Thanks!

> >

>

> Dr D tells me that she's been feeling good enough (and brave enough)

> to get her stuff out of storage after four years and cautiously re-

> introduce possessions to her new environment and that her kitchenware

> and things like books that were loosely packed, with lots of air

> circulation are just fine, but that she is still having difficulty

> with a few objects that were wrapped up tightly.

> So Dr D thinks that air circulation is better than tight packing based

> on her experience.

> Paperwork appears to be OK.

>

> But duration of object contamination and toxin potential are going to

> play the dominent role in longevity of toxicity, so one has to be

> really careful about re-introduction and handling of contaminated

> possession.

> It's a pain, but for some things - better than losing them forever.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

I am going out on a limb, and again suggest a use for those useless

and dangerouse ozone generators- In my rental,in a back bed room, I

sealed in allot of stuff I could not put in storage due to it

delicate nature, I let an ozonator rip in there since Jan-Had my

helper go in there and brought out some things I had to work on-

suprise- the things that were out in the open on shelves I seemed to

have no reation to- those in boxes a mild reaction- I do think the

ozone helped decontaminate the peices . I will put an electric plug

in my new shed , and let the ozonator rip in there, maybe I can have

my artwork back in this lifetime. Went to my storage last week, and

could not get within 20 feet of the stuff, so it seems the ozonator

to be the desiding factor, in this non- scientific study of one.---

In ,

" kl_clayton " <kl_clayton@y...> wrote:

>

> I am assuming the stuff is stored in cardboard boxes? Maybe new

ones not the same old

> moldy ones from the closet/basement?

>

> I have just got some plastic boxes to keep it from bothering me in

the basement, but

> maybe for the stuff I put in the garage, it should be in

cardboard...

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Does this include paperwork (ie medical records and stuff

that are

> > currently in the moldy closet)...will those denature in time

too?

> > Thanks!

> > >

> >

> > Dr D tells me that she's been feeling good enough (and brave

enough)

> > to get her stuff out of storage after four years and cautiously

re-

> > introduce possessions to her new environment and that her

kitchenware

> > and things like books that were loosely packed, with lots of air

> > circulation are just fine, but that she is still having

difficulty

> > with a few objects that were wrapped up tightly.

> > So Dr D thinks that air circulation is better than tight packing

based

> > on her experience.

> > Paperwork appears to be OK.

> >

> > But duration of object contamination and toxin potential are

going to

> > play the dominent role in longevity of toxicity, so one has to

be

> > really careful about re-introduction and handling of

contaminated

> > possession.

> > It's a pain, but for some things - better than losing them

forever.

> > -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

2 years out:

Interestingly, my digital camera (mostly hard plastic with some

metal), which I have been trying to take with me since my exposure 2

years ago, doesn't now bother me, although other plastic items that

have been in my storage unit still do bother me, probably because

the camera has been exposed more to fresh air.

The soft plastic cord that attaches my camera to my laptop is a no

go, still react to it, even though I've been taking it with me, with

the camera. Seems to be a difference in types of plastics.

Items that I am fine with include glass, ceramics, metal, or " hard "

surfaces, silverware without plastic handles.

Items I'm not okay with, to date, include paper(!), some wood

(especially particle board!!! could it be the chemicals/stains that

have been used on/with the wood that the spores feed on and produce

a different/stronger type of toxin?), plastics, and clothing was

really bad, especially suede.

I found myself reacting very strongly (one day) to the vinyl straps

on my metal patio furniture (but not the next day). And so it

goes....no rhyme or reason.

Jules

>

> Does this include paperwork (ie medical records and stuff that

are

> currently in the moldy closet)...will those denature in time too?

> Thanks!

> >

>

> Dr D tells me that she's been feeling good enough (and brave

enough)

> to get her stuff out of storage after four years and cautiously re-

> introduce possessions to her new environment and that her

kitchenware

> and things like books that were loosely packed, with lots of air

> circulation are just fine, but that she is still having difficulty

> with a few objects that were wrapped up tightly.

> So Dr D thinks that air circulation is better than tight packing

based

> on her experience.

> Paperwork appears to be OK.

>

> But duration of object contamination and toxin potential are going

to

> play the dominent role in longevity of toxicity, so one has to be

> really careful about re-introduction and handling of contaminated

> possession.

> It's a pain, but for some things - better than losing them forever.

> -

>