Re: Re: Mycotoxin Questions

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SUNLIGHT over time can kill and deactivate mold, I THINK. But don't

take my word for it. Verify this. But sunlight cant penetrate down

inside of things like couches. But it might be able to kill mold on a

painting satisfactorily. STRONG UV light also kills mold and I think,

may do something to inactivate mycotoxins.. BUT CHECK WITH A REAL

AUTHORITY AND GET MORE DATA.

A *BIG* UV light does seem to be helping some with my bathroom.. where

we have mold seeping in from the walls of the house that seems

impossible to stop by blocking all visible holes with duct tape..

I don't know how much it kills it though. I have just heard that it

does a little but I dont remember where. Let us know if you find out

any specifics.

and remember SUNLIGHT has more UV than any blacklight. DIRECT SUN -

On 11/11/05, carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

> A defensive weapon, yes- As i have said before , I never recommend

> anyone try and kill a colony of mold with an ozonator, or anything

> else - My husband refused to let me dump 2 moldy couches, I let a

> very strong ozonator rip in there all night- I came in the next

> morning to a mycotoxin release that nearly killed me- and ruined

> all my art work

>

> In , " kengibs " <jkg4902@h...> wrote:

> >

>

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, I was talking to my naturopath & he said that the ozonator (only when

your not there to be used) will kill it. So what you are saying is that the

mycotoxins are still there? Mold spores probably gone.What were the symtoms of

the ruined art work out of coureousity???? Interesting. Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: A defensive weapon, yes- As i have

said before , I never recommend

anyone try and kill a colony of mold with an ozonator, or anything

else - My husband refused to let me dump 2 moldy couches, I let a

very strong ozonator rip in there all night- I came in the next

morning to a mycotoxin release that nearly killed me- and ruined

all my art work

In , " kengibs " <jkg4902@h...> wrote:

>

> There are a number of questions I haven't fully understood. Maybe

> someone could help by explaining.

>

>

> 1. Do all molds produce mycotoxins?

> I've heard not... In fact I've heard most do not produce

mycotoxins.

> What's the story?

>

>

> 2. Do all molds which can produce mycotoxins produce these toxins

> during a regular life cycle?

> I understand not... that mycotoxins are generally a defensive

> mechanism produced by some molds only when triggered to produce

the

> toxins. Thus some molds might never be triggered to produce

toxins.

> If so when are our household molds toxic?

>

>

>

> 3. I used to believe mycotoxins are a vapor or gas. I've been

told

> not so they are a fine particulate .... a fine powder.

> If so why couldn't a filtering system be relied on to filter out

the

> mycotoxins that are a household hazard???

>

>

>

>

> 4. I used to believe all mycotoxins were poisons.. or at least

so

> to humans...

> I now have heard not so that few mycotoxins are toxic to humans

that

> probably more varieties are beneficial... with antibiotic

> characteristics. What are the facts??

>

>

>

> 5. Do all poisonous mycotoxins effect humans equally? or must

> humans be susceptible to the toxin? Are there degrees of immunity

> to mycotoxins? How does one fight off a mycotoxin poisoning?

>

>

>

> Can someone shed light on the true story of mycotoxins. If we have

> any good experts on the subject maybe someone would like to write

a

> book?

>

>

> Ken

>

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Gotcha! So no way to have it professionally sanitized? Too bad. Hmmm, is there

no getting rid of these toxins? Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Loni, I mean that the art work is

now toxic to me, seeing that it is

radiating toxin so strongly that I cannot come within 20 ft of it

without feeling the burn, if I stay, I start going down- not a

medical term

> >

> > There are a number of questions I haven't fully understood.

Maybe

> > someone could help by explaining.

> >

> >

> > 1. Do all molds produce mycotoxins?

> > I've heard not... In fact I've heard most do not produce

> mycotoxins.

> > What's the story?

> >

> >

> > 2. Do all molds which can produce mycotoxins produce these

toxins

> > during a regular life cycle?

> > I understand not... that mycotoxins are generally a defensive

> > mechanism produced by some molds only when triggered to produce

> the

> > toxins. Thus some molds might never be triggered to produce

> toxins.

> > If so when are our household molds toxic?

> >

> >

> >

> > 3. I used to believe mycotoxins are a vapor or gas. I've been

> told

> > not so they are a fine particulate .... a fine powder.

> > If so why couldn't a filtering system be relied on to filter out

> the

> > mycotoxins that are a household hazard???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 4. I used to believe all mycotoxins were poisons.. or at least

> so

> > to humans...

> > I now have heard not so that few mycotoxins are toxic to humans

> that

> > probably more varieties are beneficial... with antibiotic

> > characteristics. What are the facts??

> >

> >

> >

> > 5. Do all poisonous mycotoxins effect humans equally? or must

> > humans be susceptible to the toxin? Are there degrees of

immunity

> > to mycotoxins? How does one fight off a mycotoxin poisoning?

> >

> >

> >

> > Can someone shed light on the true story of mycotoxins. If we

have

> > any good experts on the subject maybe someone would like to

write

> a

> > book?

> >

> >

> > Ken

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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You had your home professionally remediated? How did you find a good company?

What did you get rid of, possessions or mold? How much are ozone machines & do

you move them in different areas of the house. They probably only cover so much

square footage. My husband would not get rid of our furniture. He thinks I am

nuts.

Loni

kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote:

I used one successfully, this is how:

1- really important- I had the mold remediated, and got rid of all that could be

found.

2- then I ran the ozone machine to get rid of residual contamination, while we

were out of

the house, mostly.

It really made a difference in my reaction to the areas treated.

I still have stuff that I react to, which was exposed to the ozone for varying

periods of

time, like some clothing, and harder stuff like a bookcase, etc which are in a

storage area.

in the basement. It didn't do everything, but I can be down there now, which I

could not

before i ran the machine.

It is really important to be really careful with ozone....what kills mold is

likely to be really

bad for you....

> > >

> > > There are a number of questions I haven't fully understood.

> Maybe

> > > someone could help by explaining.

> > >

> > >

> > > 1. Do all molds produce mycotoxins?

> > > I've heard not... In fact I've heard most do not produce

> > mycotoxins.

> > > What's the story?

> > >

> > >

> > > 2. Do all molds which can produce mycotoxins produce these

> toxins

> > > during a regular life cycle?

> > > I understand not... that mycotoxins are generally a defensive

> > > mechanism produced by some molds only when triggered to produce

> > the

> > > toxins. Thus some molds might never be triggered to produce

> > toxins.

> > > If so when are our household molds toxic?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3. I used to believe mycotoxins are a vapor or gas. I've been

> > told

> > > not so they are a fine particulate .... a fine powder.

> > > If so why couldn't a filtering system be relied on to filter out

> > the

> > > mycotoxins that are a household hazard???

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 4. I used to believe all mycotoxins were poisons.. or at least

> > so

> > > to humans...

> > > I now have heard not so that few mycotoxins are toxic to humans

> > that

> > > probably more varieties are beneficial... with antibiotic

> > > characteristics. What are the facts??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 5. Do all poisonous mycotoxins effect humans equally? or must

> > > humans be susceptible to the toxin? Are there degrees of

> immunity

> > > to mycotoxins? How does one fight off a mycotoxin poisoning?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Can someone shed light on the true story of mycotoxins. If we

> have

> > > any good experts on the subject maybe someone would like to

> write

> > a

> > > book?

> > >

> > >

> > > Ken

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Over time, can't the mycotoxins just be cleaned away. My confusion is that if

you have your window open, you let mold in also because it's higher count

outside supposed to be. So why doesn't mold take up house in everyone's home &

proliferate because it's in the air anyway? Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: I have been doing little else with

my spare time for a long time to

find ways to de-activate mycotoxins, including sending e-mails to

every expert I have ever heard of. Thanks to all who answered. Mold

it easy to kill, pretty easy to clean away, but the stubborn

mycotoxins stay for a long time- " s lasted about 5 years.

Experts say to have the art work restored by a proffesional, but I

am that proffessional, all of the techniques for clothing and hard

items are not appropriate for paintings- but the ozonator might help

speed things up , and in another year ,I might be able to have them

back. I will let you know.

In , LiveSimply

<quackadillian@g...> wrote:

>

> SUNLIGHT over time can kill and deactivate mold, I THINK. But don't

> take my word for it. Verify this. But sunlight cant penetrate down

> inside of things like couches. But it might be able to kill mold

on a

> painting satisfactorily. STRONG UV light also kills mold and I

think,

> may do something to inactivate mycotoxins.. BUT CHECK WITH A REAL

> AUTHORITY AND GET MORE DATA.

>

> A *BIG* UV light does seem to be helping some with my bathroom..

where

> we have mold seeping in from the walls of the house that seems

> impossible to stop by blocking all visible holes with duct tape..

>

>

> I don't know how much it kills it though. I have just heard that it

> does a little but I dont remember where. Let us know if you find

out

> any specifics.

>

> and remember SUNLIGHT has more UV than any blacklight. DIRECT SUN -

>

> On 11/11/05, carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote:

> > A defensive weapon, yes- As i have said before , I never

recommend

> > anyone try and kill a colony of mold with an ozonator, or

anything

> > else - My husband refused to let me dump 2 moldy couches, I let a

> > very strong ozonator rip in there all night- I came in the next

> > morning to a mycotoxin release that nearly killed me- and ruined

> > all my art work

> >

> > In , " kengibs " <jkg4902@h...> wrote:

> > >

> >

>

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Loni,

> So why doesn't mold take up house

> in everyone's home & proliferate because it's in the air anyway?

Excellent point, and it doesn't for the same reason trees, mice,

birds, moss, grass, bugs, mushrooms and anything else from the

outdoors doesn't proliferate indoors - the environment isn't right

for it. Each of the above only grows and thrives in certain

environments. Trees don't grow everywhere outdoors, for example. Only

in certain places.

I don't mean to be a smartass, but it is really that simple. Shift

the environment in small places and you DO get mold growth and dust

mite infestation and mushrooms growing - in those locations. Buy a

clay pot, fill it with dirt, plant some grass and add water. Keep

adding water and not only will the grass grow but so will mushrooms.

You've just created an indoor micro-environment that supports growth

of outdoor plants.

Keep the indoor enviornment separate and different from the outdoors -

which is the purpose of creating a built structure anyway - and you

won't have mold and other infestations.

The problem is mostly with moisture. Buildings are frequently

designed wrong and built poorly. And those responsible for their

proper functioning and upkeep sometimes aren't very aware and

responsible. We don't know about these things so when it happens we

are often slow to recognize the danger and slower to act. When we do

act, those responsible fear liability, go into denial and blame the

victim - you.

I know this doesn't solve anything, but that's what I usually see

happening. Keep the outdoors out and the indoors in. When they mingle

you get mixed critters. If in doubt, look in your crawlspace or at

the water leaks.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Thanks Carl, Loni

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: Loni,

> So why doesn't mold take up house

> in everyone's home & proliferate because it's in the air anyway?

Excellent point, and it doesn't for the same reason trees, mice,

birds, moss, grass, bugs, mushrooms and anything else from the

outdoors doesn't proliferate indoors - the environment isn't right

for it. Each of the above only grows and thrives in certain

environments. Trees don't grow everywhere outdoors, for example. Only

in certain places.

I don't mean to be a smartass, but it is really that simple. Shift

the environment in small places and you DO get mold growth and dust

mite infestation and mushrooms growing - in those locations. Buy a

clay pot, fill it with dirt, plant some grass and add water. Keep

adding water and not only will the grass grow but so will mushrooms.

You've just created an indoor micro-environment that supports growth

of outdoor plants.

Keep the indoor enviornment separate and different from the outdoors -

which is the purpose of creating a built structure anyway - and you

won't have mold and other infestations.

The problem is mostly with moisture. Buildings are frequently

designed wrong and built poorly. And those responsible for their

proper functioning and upkeep sometimes aren't very aware and

responsible. We don't know about these things so when it happens we

are often slow to recognize the danger and slower to act. When we do

act, those responsible fear liability, go into denial and blame the

victim - you.

I know this doesn't solve anything, but that's what I usually see

happening. Keep the outdoors out and the indoors in. When they mingle

you get mixed critters. If in doubt, look in your crawlspace or at

the water leaks.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Thanks, I'll talk to you later. LOni

kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote: I hired a handy man. One I knew, and

talked to for a long time about the problems. I didn't

know much about mold, only that it was making me very sick, and it had to go. I

had

couple of problem areas knew about: In the upstairs bathroom, mold was behind

the

shower tile. I deduced this from trail and error, cleaning it. The other problem

I knew

about was a side room off the main basement room, whose door I kept shut. The

handy

man looked around down there and suggested I might want to consider tearing out

everything in the basement down to the cement walls (it had been 3/4 finished)

and

refinish the walls. He thought the bath should be taken out too. I was not in a

position to

follow his suggestions at the time- the basement was FULL of our belongings.

Most of the possessions down there were either thrown away, or moved to the

garage, I

still have a few things that need to be moved.

In the side room, all the built in shelves etc, and everything on them had to be

thrown.

They were saturated with yucky stuff I was reacting to, which I later learned

were

mycotoxins.

In my research, I found that ozone kills mold, and it is a powerful oxidizer,

which can be

very good for detoxifying, I thought. I have also found out that they can be

dangerous to

use, so you have to be very careful about both how you use it and what kind you

buy.

Since it is experimental, sort of, there are no rules governing the sale or

manufacture of

these machines, and the snake oil salesmen are out in droves promoting them.

Many kinds

seem inferior to me. I really relied on my instincts, combined with

recommendations from

people online and in person that had experience with them. I bought one unit,

and I move

it around as needed. I am not using it much anymore, just for particular uses.

Oh, my

doctor (MD) recommended the idea to me. For killing mold while I was out of the

house,

AFTER I remediated.

My husband thinks I am nuts too. It really makes it harder to get this work

done, doesn't

it?

If you want more info, you can contact me offgroup.

kathryn

> > > >

> > > > There are a number of questions I haven't fully understood.

> > Maybe

> > > > someone could help by explaining.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1. Do all molds produce mycotoxins?

> > > > I've heard not... In fact I've heard most do not produce

> > > mycotoxins.

> > > > What's the story?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2. Do all molds which can produce mycotoxins produce these

> > toxins

> > > > during a regular life cycle?

> > > > I understand not... that mycotoxins are generally a defensive

> > > > mechanism produced by some molds only when triggered to produce

> > > the

> > > > toxins. Thus some molds might never be triggered to produce

> > > toxins.

> > > > If so when are our household molds toxic?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3. I used to believe mycotoxins are a vapor or gas. I've been

> > > told

> > > > not so they are a fine particulate .... a fine powder.

> > > > If so why couldn't a filtering system be relied on to filter out

> > > the

> > > > mycotoxins that are a household hazard???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 4. I used to believe all mycotoxins were poisons.. or at least

> > > so

> > > > to humans...

> > > > I now have heard not so that few mycotoxins are toxic to humans

> > > that

> > > > probably more varieties are beneficial... with antibiotic

> > > > characteristics. What are the facts??

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 5. Do all poisonous mycotoxins effect humans equally? or must

> > > > humans be susceptible to the toxin? Are there degrees of

> > immunity

> > > > to mycotoxins? How does one fight off a mycotoxin poisoning?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Can someone shed light on the true story of mycotoxins. If we

> > have

> > > > any good experts on the subject maybe someone would like to

> > write

> > > a

> > > > book?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ken

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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