Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Fungal drugs IN THE BODY leave all sorts of things like mycotoxins after the fungal parasites are gone. The body can usually handle that in a short time (cleansing etc) If the fungi are killed in the house, car, office etc by some kind of EPA controlled substance the mycotoxins CAN still be there and be dangerous. Plus you have the residue of the EPA controlled substance. I have seen a few families driven out of their houses by these materials. Speaking a several medical conference on environmental toxins, I have heard some speakers say that these residues can actually attack the DNA of the household members. If a solution of Grapefruit Seed extract is used in the house, car, office etc the mycotoxins are broken down by the agents in the botanical. Some people can show allergic reactions to the mycotoxins " pieces " left after the treatment. So far that doesn't happen often. Dr GW Graham Mold Lab Intl Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote: Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni --------------------------------- FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Fungal drugs IN THE BODY leave all sorts of things like mycotoxins after the fungal parasites are gone. The body can usually handle that in a short time (cleansing etc) Dr.Graham, I've not had a chance to review your website as of yet and I will when I get the chance. The statement that you made above, do you have any research or documentation to back it up? I would appreciate it. I am also concerned about the statement " the body can usually handle that in a short time " . What are you referring to? Myctoxins? If that is the case, I've never heard this before and have never seen any documentation on it. Especially in a short time frame without proper medication. Fungal parasites? This has been one of the main issues that a high percentage of exposed individuals to mycotoxins have NOT been able to extract these toxins on their own. That is what is making us continuously sick. Just curious if you have any specific protocol for detoxing? KC > Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni > > > --------------------------------- > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I am currently associated with a group of doctors finalizing the research right now. It will probably be published next year after all our math is finished and our chemical analysis is peer reviewed. I was referring to the ability of the body to get rid of the toxins after the intial fungal parasites are reduced (not eliminated) from the body. One of the problems that most doctors have is the fact that the fungal parasite levels haven't gone low enough and they continue to release the toxins. Plus many of the patients we have run across have moved from one moldy home to another. So with each breath they are still getting e-infected. A small percentage of research patients do require extra detox procedures. There is a GSE compound (Agramax) that taken orally speeds things up also. I am also doing an independant test on this material on dogs. many of our clients have been told to get rid of " moldy dogs " or die. We want a dog treat that stops the fungal parasites inside the dog since many toxic patients only have their dog as their only comfort during there trying times. It works great by the way. Just don't have enough test samples to make any officeal claims. Sorry I have given nothing but partly composed ideas. It has been a long day. tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: Fungal drugs IN THE BODY leave all sorts of things like mycotoxins after the fungal parasites are gone. The body can usually handle that in a short time (cleansing etc) Dr.Graham, I've not had a chance to review your website as of yet and I will when I get the chance. The statement that you made above, do you have any research or documentation to back it up? I would appreciate it. I am also concerned about the statement " the body can usually handle that in a short time " . What are you referring to? Myctoxins? If that is the case, I've never heard this before and have never seen any documentation on it. Especially in a short time frame without proper medication. Fungal parasites? This has been one of the main issues that a high percentage of exposed individuals to mycotoxins have NOT been able to extract these toxins on their own. That is what is making us continuously sick. Just curious if you have any specific protocol for detoxing? KC > Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni > > > --------------------------------- > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Dr., Ok, I'm a bit confused, maybe you can clear this up for the rest of us. You mention fungal parasite levels? Fungal from the way I understand it is totally different from parasites. Why do you use both of these terms as one? The majority of us are sick from fungal exposure, not parasites. Even though I know parasites can play a big role and also become a secondary infection, but the two are not the same. Maybe you can clear this up for me. Thanks, KC > > Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get > rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote:Dr., Ok, I'm a bit confused, maybe you can clear this up for the rest of us. You mention fungal parasite levels? Fungal from the way I understand it is totally different from parasites. Why do you use both of these terms as one? The majority of us are sick from fungal exposure, not parasites. Even though I know parasites can play a big role and also become a secondary infection, but the two are not the same. Maybe you can clear this up for me. Thanks, KC > > Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get > rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Could he mean candida albicans when he says fungal. I know parasites are involved with the yeast problem. How do you test parasite levels. My doctor ignored me when I asked to test for parasites. The doctors ack like yeast is nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 [] Re: Fungal Drugs > Dr., > > Ok, I'm a bit confused, maybe you can clear this up for the rest of > us. You mention fungal parasite levels? Fungal from the way I > understand it is totally different from parasites. Why do you use > both of these terms as one? The majority of us are sick from fungal > exposure, not parasites. Even though I know parasites can play a big > role and also become a secondary infection, but the two are not the > same. Maybe you can clear this up for me. > > Thanks, > > KC > A fungus is most certainly a parasite. Here is what the dictionary says: parasite n 1: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); the parasite obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host [ant: host] Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 GSE compound (Agramax)? GSE-grapefuit seed extract? Plus, I find this whole discussion confusing- as far as I know, neither my dog and I had fungal parasites that had to be killed, just sick from mycotoxins > > Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get > rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 I've been taking oil of oregan for about 2 weeks off & on. I need to take the mycotoxin test. Will it still show the mycotoxins does anyone know or have an opinion. Loni Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote: Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni --------------------------------- FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Where did the toxins come from? Some are breathed in some come through the skin some are consumed and some of the toxins are generated by creatures that actually live inside our bodies. EG those that take up homesteading the sinus mucosa. Or how about those that grow on the vocal chords. Or those that form " -omas " in the alveoli of the lungs. many people focus on treating the outside environment (home, car, workplace) that the interior is ignored. Not that the environment is unimportant. Clearing the environment denies further infestation. Then the body can cleanse itself or a good practicioner can help cleanse the body. Its all part of the healing cycle. If the group wants me to stop this line of discussion please tell me. I figured from previous discussions that all aspects of sick building syndrome were open to discussion. Dr GW Graham carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: GSE compound (Agramax)? GSE-grapefuit seed extract? Plus, I find this whole discussion confusing- as far as I know, neither my dog and I had fungal parasites that had to be killed, just sick from mycotoxins > > Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get > rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Dr.G All aspects of sick building syndrome are open to discussion! Im confused.Its been a long day KC > > > Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & > get > > rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Of course fungal parasites include Candida. That is probably the largest group. But Penicillium and Aspergillus have been cultured too. As have Alternaria, Bipolaris, Mucor and Rhizopus. Their hyphae penetrate the host and they set up housekeeping in many places in the body. This is one reason " cures " are so hard to come by. People are focusing on the mycotoxins and overlooking the mycotoxin factory inside the body. As far as the testing. Other than culturing eg in the sinuses, you have to look for the signs that the parasites leave behind. Interlukin 5, CRP and immunoglobulin testing are the biggies. Often doctors overlook fungal is because they are programmed to look for standard things. Things you see on x-rays, things that need bandages. They have been taught that fungal reactions are allergic reactions Nearly 90% of the fungal-affected people we run into test negative for fungal allergies. Dr GW Graham ldelp84227 <ldelp84227@...> wrote: Could he mean candida albicans when he says fungal. I know parasites are involved with the yeast problem. How do you test parasite levels. My doctor ignored me when I asked to test for parasites. The doctors ack like yeast is nothing. FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Dr Graham, I'm glad you mentioned the phenomena inside the body is as important as what happens outside the body. This is similar to what Dr Shoemaker works with. How does the work with your team fit with Shoemaker/Hudnell? Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > Of course fungal parasites include Candida. That is probably the > largest group. But Penicillium and Aspergillus have been cultured too. > As have Alternaria, Bipolaris, Mucor and Rhizopus. Their hyphae > penetrate the host and they set up housekeeping in many places in the > body. This is one reason " cures " are so hard to come by. People are > focusing on the mycotoxins and overlooking the mycotoxin factory > inside the body. > > As far as the testing. Other than culturing eg in the sinuses, you > have to look for the signs that the parasites leave behind. Interlukin > 5, CRP and immunoglobulin testing are the biggies. > > Often doctors overlook fungal is because they are programmed to look > for standard things. Things you see on x-rays, things that need > bandages. They have been taught that fungal reactions are allergic > reactions Nearly 90% of the fungal-affected people we run into test > negative for fungal allergies. > > Dr GW Graham > > ldelp84227 <ldelp84227@...> wrote: > Could he mean candida albicans when he says fungal. I know parasites > are involved with the yeast problem. How do you test parasite levels. > My doctor ignored me when I asked to test for parasites. The doctors > ack like yeast is nothing. > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 --- In , I would like to hear more. I find it interesting. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 KC, He has got me confused also. Where did he learn this. It was Stachybotrys Mold growing on the wall and in the walls at my work. They were not growing on me. I inhaled them and ingested them. Fungus is not a parasite....I think you are taking it literally. Thank goodness for Dr. Shoemaker and doctors like him. Marcie " NotDoctors.com " <forums@...> wrote: [] Re: Fungal Drugs > Dr., > > Ok, I'm a bit confused, maybe you can clear this up for the rest of > us. You mention fungal parasite levels? Fungal from the way I > understand it is totally different from parasites. Why do you use > both of these terms as one? The majority of us are sick from fungal > exposure, not parasites. Even though I know parasites can play a big > role and also become a secondary infection, but the two are not the > same. Maybe you can clear this up for me. > > Thanks, > > KC > A fungus is most certainly a parasite. Here is what the dictionary says: parasite n 1: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); the parasite obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host [ant: host] Larry FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Ahh, I think I get your drift. Look, I would expect that since there are hundreds or probably more mycotoxins produced by different molds that no drug or drugs could address all the issues caused by them. They are poisons. All different kinds of poisons. No general statement will do this question justice. Let me pose a question. How does anyone responsible for mold and negligent replace the years of one's life they steal? Another issue. Trauma. Have you ever been hit by a car and had the driver run away? No? What would happen? Trauma. Lifelong trauma that will last long after the direct damage caused by many injuries may have healed. The loss of faith, loss of trust in a system that fails to protect ANY of us from the 'hit and run drivers' of this world. Seriously? How do I get back the years of my life that I have been poisoned? The health I have lost? Its as if someone bequeathed me with a hundred pound weight around my neck, literally locked it to me. I am still alive, thank God. But thats what it is like. For every one of us here who knows what they are fighting, there are hundreds who have died or been thrown off of the path into the maw of the beast. How many of the poor homeless people you see in big cities do you think have received a kick in the balls from mold at a crucial stage of their lives. Perhaps as infants? As children? What is the cost to society of these hundred or two hundred pound weights around so many peoples necks? We all have to swim, I don't have a problem with that. But I think we all do have a right to swim in the river of life without this malignantly added weight of toxic death. No drug can cure that. No drug can give people back their lives. Their dreams. You only get one life. This guy who is saying that grapefruit extract can break down all mycotoxins is I am almost sure going beyond dangerous to being an absolute menace. People desperately want to beleive that people can do this. Cure mold with a ten dollar (or whatever) product - but there are NO EASY ANSWERS... NONE.. On 11/9/05, Graham <meriset1@...> wrote: > Fungal drugs IN THE BODY leave all sorts of things like mycotoxins after the fungal parasites are gone. The body can usually handle that in a short time (cleansing etc) > > If the fungi are killed in the house, car, office etc by some kind of EPA controlled substance the mycotoxins CAN still be there and be dangerous. Plus you have the residue of the EPA controlled substance. I have seen a few families driven out of their houses by these materials. Speaking a several medical conference on environmental toxins, I have heard some speakers say that these residues can actually attack the DNA of the household members. > > If a solution of Grapefruit Seed extract is used in the house, car, office etc the mycotoxins are broken down by the agents in the botanical. Some people can show allergic reactions to the mycotoxins " pieces " left after the treatment. So far that doesn't happen often. > > Dr GW Graham > Mold Lab Intl > > Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote: > Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni > > > --------------------------------- > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 I have also been dealing with this problem for years-17 to be exact. I also have been traumatized, hung out to dry, even called crazy. But I KNEW it was a physical problem, just didn't know what. Nearly died, and .....oh....I don't want to go on a rant. I had another attack 2 days ago, and am not out of the woods yet. From a mouse, of all things. Crimeny! SO, I really do understand the way you feel. Years of my life......and who knows what will happen in the future? I have no guarantees I will survive this or for how long. However, I just have to believe in the restorative power of the human body, and in the higher aspirations of most people. Please leave Dr Graham alone. He is practicing and helping people to deal with their mold exposure and to heal them. He seems to be stating what he uses and what he has found that has helped. I have heard much about Grapefruit seed extract, so can you if you look around. It has been used for years, since before 1993, when I first used some, as an antiparasitic on a trip to India. I have no idea about it's use in de-naturing mycotoxins, BUT..... This is supposed to be an open forum for discussion, and he seems like a true scientist to me, trying things and seeing what happens.....I have understood very clearly all his posts. I have had NO confusion in reading what he has to say. I think he is a very astute person from what I have read in his posts. There is no call for attacking his character. There are many compounds that will oxidize stuff, which is I think de-naturing, and breaking down problem stuff into other, smaller stuff, that hopefully will be much less toxic. One thing I have used is called Atmosklear, which is by a local chemist, which is a nontoxic oxidizer, and I tried it for some laudry, the inside of my car, etc. It seems to really help, so I imagine that the GSE could do something like it as well. > > Anyone know the answer????? Does fungal drugs kill the mold & get rid of the mycotoxins or are the mycotoxins still there? Loni > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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