new to group

[Guest guest]

,

Sorry to hear Lochlan has been diagnosed so young. What you describe

seems fairly common. I was diagnosed as a child and it later went into remission

until recently - so there should be a period of improvement to look forward too.

The only meds I can remember taking as a child is a liquid form of methotrexate

and possibly Iburpofen. Alcohol rubs (particularly on the inside of the joint)

seemed to help some at the time, also soaking in hot water - but no no's for me

as a child was Ben Gay, Icy Hot and similar topical agents (they were too

intense) and anything involving needles. Another trick my grandmother sometimes

used was to talk to me about something I enjoyed while massaging my knees - it

helped to distract me from the circumstances.

Mcnicholl wrote:

Hi everyone

Finally I have found somewhere that knows something about Stills Disease. My Son

Lochlan was Diagnosed with Stills when he was 2 years old, he is now 5 years

old. Its been really hard as we live in Christchurch, New Zealand and the

doctors don't know much about the disease at all. Over the past 6 months he has

been in more pain than normal, I have to massage his arms, legs and back morning

and night to get him going. Is it normal to have headaches and stomach pains

with the disease? Also he has a really high acid level in his body, his teeth

decay as soon as they come through. I have so many questions that I would love

to have answered, to see your wee boy in so much pain is heartbreaking. We have

changed his diet to a Gluten Free diet to see if this works. At this stage we

haven't given him steroids for his pain as I read about the side effects, now

I'm not so sure. All he wants is to have no pain.

We have 2 other children that have other health issues but not Stills thank

goodness.

Lochlan (16th February 2002)

Regards

McNicholl

[Guest guest]

,

I am so sorry you have to watch your son go through this. I know it can't be

easy. I was 24 when my symptoms started and it took 14 months to be diagnosed

and to find a doctor that could help me. I am now 27 and October 15th was my 3

year anniversary for Still's. I can't imagine being so young and in the kind of

pain that Lochlan must be in. If a Hot Bath works for him to help his pain, I

would try and have him move his joints in the water. I do Aquatic Therapy in a

heated pool and it really helps to keep my joints moving even when I have the

extreme pain. If nothing else just soaking in the heated water help since I

can't get in and out of a regular bathtup to take a hot water bath.

Good Luck. I am trying to convince a boy who is now 18 that has had Still's

since he was 3 to join the group. He and his family attend my church.

I will be praying for you. I am glad you found this group. It can be a

tremendous help for information and support.

Take care and make sure that Lochlan knows we are keeping him in our thoughts

and prayers.

Fayette, OH - USA

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

I am so sorry you have to watch your son go through this. I know it can't be

easy. I was 24 when my symptoms started and it took 14 months to be diagnosed

and to find a doctor that could help me. I am now 27 and October 15th was my 3

year anniversary for Still's. I can't imagine being so young and in the kind of

pain that Lochlan must be in. If a Hot Bath works for him to help his pain, I

would try and have him move his joints in the water. I do Aquatic Therapy in a

heated pool and it really helps to keep my joints moving even when I have the

extreme pain. If nothing else just soaking in the heated water help since I

can't get in and out of a regular bathtup to take a hot water bath.

Good Luck. I am trying to convince a boy who is now 18 that has had Still's

since he was 3 to join the group. He and his family attend my church.

I will be praying for you. I am glad you found this group. It can be a

tremendous help for information and support.

Take care and make sure that Lochlan knows we are keeping him in our thoughts

and prayers.

Fayette, OH - USA

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

I am so sorry you have to watch your son go through this. I know it can't be

easy. I was 24 when my symptoms started and it took 14 months to be diagnosed

and to find a doctor that could help me. I am now 27 and October 15th was my 3

year anniversary for Still's. I can't imagine being so young and in the kind of

pain that Lochlan must be in. If a Hot Bath works for him to help his pain, I

would try and have him move his joints in the water. I do Aquatic Therapy in a

heated pool and it really helps to keep my joints moving even when I have the

extreme pain. If nothing else just soaking in the heated water help since I

can't get in and out of a regular bathtup to take a hot water bath.

Good Luck. I am trying to convince a boy who is now 18 that has had Still's

since he was 3 to join the group. He and his family attend my church.

I will be praying for you. I am glad you found this group. It can be a

tremendous help for information and support.

Take care and make sure that Lochlan knows we are keeping him in our thoughts

and prayers.

Fayette, OH - USA

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

many hugs to your entire family...Does he take any form of Nsaids

like motrin or Feldend..there are a bunch of them that can help quite a

bit.Please keep us informed... we want to know about this little guy...

maybe you can contact a pediatric rheumatologist at The Childrens Hospital

in Philadelphia. They may be able to help you on the phone. I know the doctors

there carry beepers that for the world....really there are places like

that.

I know it is fearful the prednisone thing. My mom and brother were both on

it for over 20 years for breathing issues...

I hope you get some answers and relief

Liz NJ( near Philadelphia)

************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[Guest guest]

many hugs to your entire family...Does he take any form of Nsaids

like motrin or Feldend..there are a bunch of them that can help quite a

bit.Please keep us informed... we want to know about this little guy...

maybe you can contact a pediatric rheumatologist at The Childrens Hospital

in Philadelphia. They may be able to help you on the phone. I know the doctors

there carry beepers that for the world....really there are places like

that.

I know it is fearful the prednisone thing. My mom and brother were both on

it for over 20 years for breathing issues...

I hope you get some answers and relief

Liz NJ( near Philadelphia)

************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[Guest guest]

many hugs to your entire family...Does he take any form of Nsaids

like motrin or Feldend..there are a bunch of them that can help quite a

bit.Please keep us informed... we want to know about this little guy...

maybe you can contact a pediatric rheumatologist at The Childrens Hospital

in Philadelphia. They may be able to help you on the phone. I know the doctors

there carry beepers that for the world....really there are places like

that.

I know it is fearful the prednisone thing. My mom and brother were both on

it for over 20 years for breathing issues...

I hope you get some answers and relief

Liz NJ( near Philadelphia)

************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Denis Welcome to the group.. Well first off, have you had a biopsy? What stage of damage are you? What genotype are you? You should gather up much info before you make any decision about tx. If you're a genotype 2, you have a good chance of remission.. if you are geno 1 or 4, those are the hardest to treat.. Todays treatment is Pegylated Interferon with Ribavirin ,, the Intereron Shot is a once a week shot that you give yourself.. and you take several Ribavirin pills per day based upon your weight. the dose is taken in 12 hour doses. Side effects are very serious adn no one can actually tell you how you are going to feel while on treatment.. Treatment can be very very serious, even life threatening.. but please, dont be fooled into even thinking that 'alternative' treatments can cure you because they cannot.. Im learning about alternative health care and there ARE a lot of snake oil salesmen out there wanting to take our dollars for

things that wont cure you and may in fact actually harm you.. Please be very careful with herbs and supplements as with liver disease, what might not hurt anyone else might hurt you because of your liver disease... That being said,, but Milk Thistle IS one you should be taking if your doc says its ok for you.. Most of us do take siliphos bound milk thistle as it really helps your liver to tolerate the virus better.. it wont cure it but it will help your liver and will help with the inflammation, and thats good because its the inflammation that causes the damage.. Anyway, its late so Im gonna go to bed but I wanted to welcome you tonite,, please feel free to ask us any questions.. jaxmroshioru <mgr25@...> wrote: Hi everyone,I am new to the group. I have a lot of questions that I hope you can help me with. I was diagnosed with Hep C 5 years ago when I tried to donate blood. I have no idea how I got it. Actually, I may have been infected anywhere from childhood to my early 20s. I am 32 now. I grew up in Russia and had numerous visits to the hospital (appendix out, stitches, etc...) I had symptoms of hepatitis and was hospitalized when I was young, but my mom tells me it was Hep A. I do not know for sure. Another possibility was from getting tatoos. I don't have many and the doctors tell me that it is a very slim chance to get Hep C from tatoos since I went to licensed tatoo places (late 1990s and early 2000). Anyway, I chose not to take

the treatment 5 years ago due to my job in the military. I had to travel a lot and was afraid that I couldn't do my job. My wife is now "making" me look into treatment options, which I have no clue about. I have an appt. with a specialist next month, but before then, I would like to find out as much as I can about everything. I would appreciate any info. about natural alternatives, traditional drugs used in treatment today, etc... I would especially like to know about the side effects. I am worried about being tired all the time and not being able to do my job in the military. Any suggestions, advice, etc... would be greatly appreciated.thanks,DenisJackie

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group , I am . I don't think how you got your hep c is worth worrying about anymore , but treating it is . You made the right move by deciding to look into it . I can tell you that milk thistle is the only herbal medication that can really help and that the only proven "cure" is standard interferon types of drugs along with ribaviron . If you look through the messages you will find lots of research data on all the medications available and what is in clinical trials . Treatment doesn't always effect patients negatively so working during treatment may not be a problem for you . Until you know what your viral level and biopsy is you don't know if treatment is needed yet . It sounds like you have a great supportive wife ! Anyway welcome to the group and if you have any questions please dont hesitate to ask us !

New to group

Hi everyone,I am new to the group. I have a lot of questions that I hope you can help me with. I was diagnosed with Hep C 5 years ago when I tried to donate blood. I have no idea how I got it. Actually, I may have been infected anywhere from childhood to my early 20s. I am 32 now. I grew up in Russia and had numerous visits to the hospital (appendix out, stitches, etc...) I had symptoms of hepatitis and was hospitalized when I was young, but my mom tells me it was Hep A. I do not know for sure. Another possibility was from getting tatoos. I don't have many and the doctors tell me that it is a very slim chance to get Hep C from tatoos since I went to licensed tatoo places (late 1990s and early 2000). Anyway, I chose not to take the treatment 5 years ago due to my job in the military. I had to travel a lot and was afraid that I couldn't do my job. My wife is now "making" me look into treatment options, which I have no clue about. I have an appt. with a specialist next month, but before then, I would like to find out as much as I can about everything. I would appreciate any info. about natural alternatives, traditional drugs used in treatment today, etc... I would especially like to know about the side effects. I am worried about being tired all the time and not being able to do my job in the military. Any suggestions, advice, etc... would be greatly appreciated.thanks,Denis

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

I have a 12 yr. old DD also that had severe issues with eating. Her OCD

thoughts center around vomiting and we have gone through some terrible

times. At one point she was down to only eating chocolate pudding, then

stopped all together. It was so paralyzing. She was hospitalized with

a feeding tube and through meds has become our " regular " girl again.

She is on 60 mgs. Prozac and 45 mgs. Buspar. Do you think your DD's low

dose of Prozac is helping? That is a really small dose. My DD was

stable for a long time on 30 mgs., then had a rough spot and 60 was when

her obsessive thinking got under control again. My DD is night and day

different on meds. She is functioning beautifully--at the moment!

HTH,

Dina

[Guest guest]

Hi, Dina,

I am in a quandary about the Prozac dose. Initially she saw a

psychiatrist who started her on 20 mg for two weeks, and then bumped

it up to 40 mg. He didn't offer OCD therapy, so we ended up going

to the OCD treatment center this summer at the University of

Florida...the psychiatric resident there said that their protocol

was to start kids on a much lower dose...2-1/2mg in most cases, I

believe. He said he rarely prescribes above 10mg. We reduced the

dosage down to 20mg, and then eventually to the current 10 mg. She

didn't receive therapy at UF, because she was uncooperative, but the

doctor we saw has since finished his residency and opened a practice

here in Orlando, so we see him here now.

You are the second person I've heard from who said that a larger

dose of the Prozac helped their daughter overcome eating problems

due to a fear of vomiting. K. won't discuss with me exactly why she

doesn't eat a lot, but in the past she has expressed an extreme fear

of vomiting. The very idea of vomiting " petrifies " her, she says.

I'm beginning to think that we should have her back on a higher

dose. By the way, what is Buspar?

Thanks,

Donna

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

She sounds just like my daughter. " Petrified " is pretty accurate. I

don't know exactly how my DD linked the eating with the vomiting because

it wasn't a germ thing she was scared of, it was like her anxiety about

vomiting was so high and so constant in her thoughts that the side

effect was an inability to eat. Probably like we feel when we are under

a huge amount of stress, like a speech, and we can't eat until it's

over. Only theirs just lasts, and lasts, and lasts. My DD couldn't

exactly say why she couldn't eat either--it was just really difficult

for much to pass over her lips. Even brushing her teeth was impossible

at one point without a near panic.

I hope others on Prozac can weigh in here. Our pdoc said that while you

do start off slowly, her idea of slow was 10 mgs. and upping by 10 every

few weeks until we saw some results. We stopped for about a year at 30

mgs. Then she got sick and threw up and we had to put her on an

atypical (Zyprexa) for a month or so while we upped the Prozac slowly to

60 mgs. Then she came off the Zyprexa. (Causes LOTS of eating, low

anxiety, but not a good drug to have a child on unless there's a crisis,

which ours definitely was). Our pdoc says you can go up to 80 mgs. with

Prozac because children often need more than an adult because their

bodies metabolize the drug faster. Also, OCD typically needs a higher

dose than general anxiety or depression.

Buspar is in another class of meds. Our pdoc often uses it with her

anorexic patients because it is weight neutral. I was skeptical,

because no one on this site has had success with it (too mild?), but

it's been the key for her for the past 6 mos. Cross our fingers!

BTW, my DD does NOT want to do any type of ERP therapy that involves

vomiting. She is completely terrified. I'm sure we will have to

confront it at some point if the meds aren't working. Right now, she's

just like any other " normal " kid, so I'm not upsetting the apple cart.

I'm letting her enjoy this respite from this horrible disease.

You may want to ask one of the Dr's on this list about dosages of Prozac

for children.

Dina

[Guest guest]

Dina,

Just a quick THANKS for your reply - it is so calming to hear from

someone else who's gone through the same thing!

I have to rush off to get ready to go in for this heart echo.

Thanks a million,

Donna

[Guest guest]

Donna, here's what the OCD Foundation had about Prozac; guess the

dosage can be dependent on what helps each person. -

" Fluoxetine

Fluoxetine [Flu-OX-a-teen]

— (Prozac ®) / PRO-zak]

Customary dose range: 5 to 60 milligrams/day.

Fluoxetine was the first selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitor

(SRIs) to be available in the United States. Drugs in this class of

medications only affect the brain chemical serotonin. Although it is

not specifically approved for use in treating childhood OCD, this

drug is often prescribed to children with OCD. This is usually

produces few side effects and many physicians are very comfortable

prescribing it. It is also available in a liquid preparation.

Sertraline has FDA approval for use in childhood OCD.

What Are Fluoxetine's Side Effects?

Most children take fluoxetine without experiencing any side effects.

Occasionally, children develop an upset stomach, a rash, a headache,

jitteriness, or insomnia. Fluoxetine can lead to changes in some

children's behavior. Called behavioral side effects (BSEs), are

impulsive, silly, or defiant and aggressive behaviors (see

description later in this guide). BSEs may be related to the dose of

medication that the child is taking, as well as the child's age. "

ALSO from the site:

" The best dose of anti-OCD medication should be determined on an

individual, case-by-case basis. It is always best to use the smallest

amount of medicine that effectively treats the child's OCD. Most

children metabolize medications quite rapidly, and relieving the

child's OCD symptoms often necessitates the use of higher, adult-

sized doses.

>

> Hi, Dina,

> I am in a quandary about the Prozac dose. Initially she saw a

> psychiatrist who started her on 20 mg for two weeks, and then

bumped

> it up to 40 mg. He didn't offer OCD therapy, so we ended up going

> to the OCD treatment center this summer at the University of

> Florida...the psychiatric resident there said that their protocol

> was to start kids on a much lower dose...2-1/2mg in most cases, I

> believe. He said he rarely prescribes above 10mg. We reduced the

> dosage down to 20mg, and then eventually to the current 10 mg. She

> didn't receive therapy at UF, because she was uncooperative, but

the

[Guest guest]

Donna, here's what the OCD Foundation had about Prozac; guess the

dosage can be dependent on what helps each person. -

" Fluoxetine

Fluoxetine [Flu-OX-a-teen]

— (Prozac ®) / PRO-zak]

Customary dose range: 5 to 60 milligrams/day.

Fluoxetine was the first selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitor

(SRIs) to be available in the United States. Drugs in this class of

medications only affect the brain chemical serotonin. Although it is

not specifically approved for use in treating childhood OCD, this

drug is often prescribed to children with OCD. This is usually

produces few side effects and many physicians are very comfortable

prescribing it. It is also available in a liquid preparation.

Sertraline has FDA approval for use in childhood OCD.

What Are Fluoxetine's Side Effects?

Most children take fluoxetine without experiencing any side effects.

Occasionally, children develop an upset stomach, a rash, a headache,

jitteriness, or insomnia. Fluoxetine can lead to changes in some

children's behavior. Called behavioral side effects (BSEs), are

impulsive, silly, or defiant and aggressive behaviors (see

description later in this guide). BSEs may be related to the dose of

medication that the child is taking, as well as the child's age. "

ALSO from the site:

" The best dose of anti-OCD medication should be determined on an

individual, case-by-case basis. It is always best to use the smallest

amount of medicine that effectively treats the child's OCD. Most

children metabolize medications quite rapidly, and relieving the

child's OCD symptoms often necessitates the use of higher, adult-

sized doses.

>

> Hi, Dina,

> I am in a quandary about the Prozac dose. Initially she saw a

> psychiatrist who started her on 20 mg for two weeks, and then

bumped

> it up to 40 mg. He didn't offer OCD therapy, so we ended up going

> to the OCD treatment center this summer at the University of

> Florida...the psychiatric resident there said that their protocol

> was to start kids on a much lower dose...2-1/2mg in most cases, I

> believe. He said he rarely prescribes above 10mg. We reduced the

> dosage down to 20mg, and then eventually to the current 10 mg. She

> didn't receive therapy at UF, because she was uncooperative, but

the

[Guest guest]

My son was

diagnosed with sensory integration disorder at age 3. He wasn’t diagnosed

with Asperger’s until August 06 at the age of 7 years 10 months. The

average age of Asperger diagnosis is around 11. Spend time with your child and research

as much as you can about Aspies. I knew my son had more issues but couldn’t

pinpoint them until I spent a lot of time with him last summer. With research,

I knew he had Asperger’s. Good luck! Don’t give up!

From:

Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of liskev

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007

1:26 AM

Autism and Aspergers Treatment

Subject: New to

group

Hi! I'm new to this group but have been on the autism,

gf/cf boards

for awhile. I have a 3 1/2 year old dd with autism. The reason I

joined this board is because I believe my 6 year old ds has

Asperger's. He was evaluated at 3 and was found to only have speech

delay. He received early intervention and special ed. preschool. He

was re-evaluated last school year and was found to have speech delay

and develpomental delay (reading comprehension). Now he is appearing

to have some motor issue as well.

Some of the things I and others have seen that I think may point to

Aspergers: speech delay, monotone voice, very literal, mixes up " wh "

questions(what, where, who when), trouble writing, walks on toes

often, his fasination with things does change a bit but it is mainly

cars, trucks, trains. He has always been overly interested in garbage

trucks. Wont try new foods. Limited to just a handful of foods. Will

only drink OJ. Very routined. Has a hard time if we break from

routine both at home and school. Doesnt have empathy. Gets along

better with older kids or adults. If something is done a certain way

or taught to him a certain way that is the way it must always be or

he gets very upset.

I know there are other things but that is all I can think of right

now. I've talked to the school about getting him evaluated by a

psychologist but I guess I need to go through our ped. I just want to

be sure I'm not wasting her time and worrying too much. The school

doesn't seem to think having a diagnosis matters. " Treat the child,

not the disease. " Which I agree with to a point. With Asperger's I

feel it would be very beneficial to know so we can help him better.

I'm sorry this is a bit long. Any help from others who have more

experience than me??

[Guest guest]

Dear Marilyn,

You are brave and loving to take this challenge on. He can be helped. When you say diagnosed GDD, do you mean ODD?

Why don't you look at www.truehope.com and call them? I know that they suggest inositol for violent behaviors. I don't know what your financial help is with him and if it is only for drugs. And truehope may have some sort of 'scholarship' help. They are definitely worth reading about and talking with. They are nondrug experts!

You don't mention how his learning is?

When you say you aren't allowed to restrain him, what does that mean? No restraining device? Was it okay for your husband to hold him? What would they expect, that you just let him hurt you?

Sending you some admiring love! I deal with violence too.

Francine

In a message dated 12/5/2007 2:28:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, malhardiker@... writes:

HiMy name is Marilyn and I live in England. I'm a foster mom and at present have a boy long term who is on the Autistic Spectrum. He is diagnosed GDD but we all know he is aomewhere on the autistic spectrum as well. He is gorgeous but hard work. he used to beat up on his previopus foster mom which is why he is with me! He has only tried that 3 time with me and got nowhere but it is part of his pattern. I am not allowed to use restraint but this week my husband had to hold his wrists firm but gently as he launced himself at me and began pinching any fleshy bitn he could find and flailing his arms--ouch!. What started it? who knows! He gets a pattern of thought in his head --a loop and just goes into a behavioural pattern. Most times I can spot it. He was very wild when he first came to us (18 months ago)and used to growl and shout out a lot of random swear words at random times for no apparant reason and I thought he may have Tourettes. I just spent a lot of time introducing and reinforcing firm boundaries and he responded but I had no experience with this or training it was just learn on the job! He is actually a lovely boy and we do love him Now the really wild behaviours have subsided we see the loops of behaviour more clearly. My main worry is the aggression towards me. His pattern is aggression toward the female carer I guess becuase his birth mom can be very mean with him. Or maybe it will be to do with whatever special needs are undiagnosed. We brought this to the Social workers attention and now the contacts with mom are supervised.I am worried that as he gets older I will not have the strategies to deal with him and someone may be seriously hurt. I am limmited in getting a diagnoses as the Social Service only let me go as far as getting a referral for speech and hearing. They are unwilling to fund any more support then he already has. He gets 30 hours of support at school a week. But Us and the school are all learning to deal with his behavors together as we were all in the dark. I know this post sounds bitty but if anything strikes a chord with any of you on the list please post your 'pearls'God Bless to everyoneMarilyn

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jake and a! Welcome to Traditional Foods Minnesota (and

across the river). We are glad to have you join us.

We enjoy your products when we shop at Fresh and Natural in Hudson (I

live in Woodbury). My youngest daughter adores your chocolate milk and

often requests it when she knows I'm going there. I just recently read

something about that you make ice cream too. I will have to check that

out next time.

So jump right in and ask your questions and/or share your wisdom! And

did you get your fruit ordered?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

silviagorgos <silviagorgos@...> wrote: Hi ,

My name is Silvia and I live with my husband and my son in Alberta.

>

I made my first soaps with my parents on our little farm in Europe

when I was a child. Latter I discovered my passion for beading (

sewing, crocheting ).I've got most of the ingredients at home ( from

soapmaking and my hubie's aromatherapy-thingi )but I'm uncertain about

the how's and how much's ;-), also how much Vodka or Alc for how much

EO! HELP,please!

silvia

Welcome Silvia

there are lots to read in the archives, messages and links

As to how much eo to alcohol etc..... it all depends on the percentage to

alcohol whether you are making spritz, cologne, toilet water, perfume... It

would be wise to study alot first ......as there are safety issues on some eos

allowed.

If you can take a course.

Mandy Aftel offers a distance level 1.... Anya here our list mom offers the

first online course which the maiden course started in September and a new one

starting in March.... so take a look at both and see what suits... or you could

for now start reading everything here.....here are mandy's and anya's links

http://www.aftelier.com

http://www.anyasgarden.com

looks like you have great beginnings from what you have described above......

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume http://www.janitahaan.com tba

Flowers of Myddfai http://www.flowersofmyddfaiproject.com

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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[Guest guest]

silviagorgos <silviagorgos@...> wrote: Hi ,

My name is Silvia and I live with my husband and my son in Alberta.

>

I made my first soaps with my parents on our little farm in Europe

when I was a child. Latter I discovered my passion for beading (

sewing, crocheting ).I've got most of the ingredients at home ( from

soapmaking and my hubie's aromatherapy-thingi )but I'm uncertain about

the how's and how much's ;-), also how much Vodka or Alc for how much

EO! HELP,please!

silvia

Welcome Silvia

there are lots to read in the archives, messages and links

As to how much eo to alcohol etc..... it all depends on the percentage to

alcohol whether you are making spritz, cologne, toilet water, perfume... It

would be wise to study alot first ......as there are safety issues on some eos

allowed.

If you can take a course.

Mandy Aftel offers a distance level 1.... Anya here our list mom offers the

first online course which the maiden course started in September and a new one

starting in March.... so take a look at both and see what suits... or you could

for now start reading everything here.....here are mandy's and anya's links

http://www.aftelier.com

http://www.anyasgarden.com

looks like you have great beginnings from what you have described above......

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume http://www.janitahaan.com tba

Flowers of Myddfai http://www.flowersofmyddfaiproject.com

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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[Guest guest]

Hi Randy and Lynn! Welcome so glad you are here. Just want to give you a

public plug. We love your products and your farm is such a fun place for our

children to visit! You will be a great asset to our group.

On 1/11/08, farmer.randy <andersonfarm@...> wrote:

>

> Hi, we are Lynn and Randy . We started getting serous about

> eating healthy about 15 years ago, at the time Lynn had just suffered

> a server Gallbladder attack which we learned was from eating very

> unhealthy. And that needed to change if she was going to keep her

> gallbladder. With the help of a chiropractor and eating healthy

> foods, Lynn still has her gallbladder to this day. We bought our farm

> in 1994 because we had outgrown our vegetable garden and wanted to

> grow as much food for ourselves as possible. We didn't like the food

> available from the supermarkets. Not only was it grown with

> herbicides, pesticides, and chemical fertilizers, but the animals

> were treated inhumanely and injected with growth hormones and

> antibiotics. Other people liked how we raised our food and asked if

> they could buy some. We said, " Yes " and found ourselves selling our

> food to more and more people who were searching for a connection to

> their food.

> We have in the last 3 years been doing traditional cooking classes

> for people who want a healthier life style and want to learn how to

> put healthier food on their table for their family. Also we teach how

> to use the right tools to prepare and cook this food, which will cut

> down time spent in the kitchen as well.

> Here at farm we grow Grass Fed Beef, pastured Pork and

> Chicken naturally raised.

> We also have an MSG and NITRATE FREE line for beef & pork products:

> 100% beef hotdogs, lunchmeat, summer sausage, beef sticks kielbasa,

> beef bacon,

> Deli roast beef .for our pork; bacon and hams are done MSG & NITRAE

> FREE as well

> Have a great day!

>

> Randy & Lynn,

> Farm

> N6501 Manore Lane

> Arkansaw, WI 54721

> Phone 888 700-FARM (3276)

>

> Email andersonfarm@... <andersonfarm%40nelson-tel.net>

> Website www.andersonfarm.us

>

>

>

--

Kathy-jo

Be at peace.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have two kids with OCD. (11) and iel (6) I also have it, and I

have another daughter, Brittany (12) who is gifted, and the doctors are trying

to figure out if she has it, or if her issues are part of being gifted.

Anyway, I just wanted to welcome you to the group and let you know this group is

great! Everyone here are so supportive, and we all try to help each other out

the best we can!

I'm glad to hear you have found what works for your son!!!

Hugs

Judy

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Judy!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , welcome! How old is your son?

I'm a single mom, 3 sons, pretty much grown. My OCD son will be 19

this Sunday! His OCD began back in 6th grade.

How great that you apparently found an experienced therapist! Don't

have that anywhere close to us. We did manage on our own (slowly) back

through the middle school years. Things got better. Ups and downs

with OCD. Right now is " down " but he manages to get through each day.

His OCD now is bad thoughts, scrupulosity/religion related. It all

began with physical type compulsions though, long gone! He's refusing

prescription medication now, but was on Celexa in 9th and 10th grades.

You're right, it is a relief to have other parents to share all this

with!

>

> Hi, everyone: I've joined this group because I have a son with OCD.

> We have a genetic component on my husband's side of the family, and

> have come to accept that it is a part of our lives. We have had

great

> success with a combination of medication and therapy (CBT and

[Guest guest]

Welcome, nancynina. It is my husband's side of the family too. I saw

it for years but didn't know what it was until our son started to

suffer. Glad you are here.

BJ

-- In , " nancynina72 " <nancynina72@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, everyone: I've joined this group because I have a son with OCD.

> We have a genetic component on my husband's side of the family, and

> have come to accept that it is a part of our lives. We have had great

> success with a combination of medication and therapy (CBT and exposure)

> and feel lucky that we were able to aleviate a lot of the terror my son

> (and we) felt as it developed in him at a very early age by learning as

> much as we could about it, and then doing our best to tackle it. It's

> a long fight, and it's always a relief to know other parents are out

> there just like us.

>