new to group

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam:

Welcome!!

Before we go nuts explaining all the many ways to do things, how about

telling us what it is about your daughter that makes you think she might

have autism? I believe your concern, but it's really great to get a feel

for what your seeing. Once you see all the checklists and things, it's easy

to either see it or not seeing it.

Besides....I *love* hearing about the kids!!

Thanks for joining us!

Joan

Mom to Andy, 12, with DS/ASD.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/1/01 6:02:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

p_houser37@... writes:

<< I have some concerns about because she is not progressing as well

as her twin. I have suspected she may be autistic since she was 3 years old.

I have ask her ped. about it but she says it's just the ds. A few people have

the same concerns as I do about her. >>

Hi Pam,

That is how it was when we wondered about our son, Gene. From about age 4

on, other parents asked me about autism. But the schools primarily said it

was just DS, that he would start talking around 6 ot 7 and that they just

didn't see any signs of autism. Then when I finally took him for evaluation

by an outside person at age nine, this Dr. told me that he believed Gene was

a child with significant autism who just happened to have Down Syndrome. I

just want to encourage you to do just what you are doing now. Seek

information and find out as much as you can as early as possible. Just

because many professionals don't often know these two disabilities can

co-exist, the fact is they do. You will probably need to educate those who

are supposed to know.

Lauri, Mom to Gene age 13.

[Guest guest]

Welcome Pam ,

Hope you find some answers for your daughter . This list has been

very supportive , a very nice group of on-line friends that are

always willing to share infromation and encouragement and listen when

you need to vent out .

Irma, 13,DS/ASD.

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My name is Pam and I am from Tn. I have 4 children and my yougest

two are identical twins with Down Syndrome. They are 6 years old.

There names are Hannah and .

>

> I have some concerns about because she is not progressing as

well as her twin. I have suspected she may be autistic since she was

3 years old. I have ask her ped. about it but she says it's just the

ds. A few people have the same concerns as I do about her.

>

> I have joined the group in hopes of getting some answers and some

infomation. I hope I learn what I need to. Can anyone tell me what to

look for in my child? Thanks for letting me be a part of this group.

>

> Pam

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Candy

My son is 10 he was diagnosed this past summer. My son is older then Izzy but

you are not alone. I am extremely glad I found OCD Parenting!

Tammy

[Guest guest]

Hi Candy, welcome to the group. You'll probably get LOTS of answers

about OCD behaviors. What other diagnoses did they have for Izzy

besides these two? What behaviors do you think are OCD related?

I'm a single mom with 3 sons. My almost 13 y/o was diagnosed a

little over a year ago with OCD when he began having constant OCD

compulsions. Later after I learned/read more about OCD, I could look

back and recognize the symptoms in his younger years. They were

there, I just didn't recognize how many behaviors he had. The only

ones I'd noticed began in 3rd grade when he'd erase and rewrite

letters or trace over them, etc. I'd think, " oh a little OCD

perfectionism there " but that was all I thought at the time.

His behaviors have changed since last year. He's dropped some,

started new ones, kept some, gone back to old ones.

When he was younger, he asked a LOT of reassurance questions. He'd

get sort of " stuck " on a subject/item. For example, a simple scratch

or cut. For DAYS I'd get asked again and again how long til it

heals? And he'd give sooo much attention to it constantly. Also,

the " will I get cancer " question from either foods or something

else. Very afraid of death but all my kids were. Only would

leave the room if there was something on TV dealing with the subject,

even shows like " Touched by an Angel. " What else? Well, I mentioned

the erasing/tracing in elementary school. Last year at 12 it became,

having to do " this " to " keep something bad from happening. " That was

the OCD tip-off for me. Things he has problems with NOW are

doorways, doing things a certain way, and our " clock " has something

to do with his OCD too, gets " stuck " physically in spots/places,

repetitive movements, doing " it " til it feels like it's done right.

Regardng a young age question - 's twin had OCD

behaviors at around ages 3-4 or so (the years blur for me as they get

older!) EVERYTHING had to be done a certain way. Walk into a room

the " right " way. No wrinkles on his sheet/blanket before he would

lie down. Had to give the " right " answer or he'd get upset if the

answer wasn't said the " right " way. Things like that. Those

behaviors eventually diminished.

There's lots of other varied behaviors with the kids in this group.

Have you looked at the OCD Foundation website yet? It's very

helpful. And there's lots of books the site will recommend.

Well, hope this helped somewhat! Welcome again and hope to hear more

from you!

> Hello my name is Candy and I have a 4 1/2 yr old son " Izzy " who was

> recently diagnosed with ocd and add. I would love it if any of you

> could take the time to tell me about your child at this age. This

is

> his 3rd dx. I feel more confident that this one is right but

hearing

> about other kids with ocd at this age would be helpful.

>

> Thanks, Candy Schwartz

[Guest guest]

Hi Candy, welcome to the group. You'll probably get LOTS of answers

about OCD behaviors. What other diagnoses did they have for Izzy

besides these two? What behaviors do you think are OCD related?

I'm a single mom with 3 sons. My almost 13 y/o was diagnosed a

little over a year ago with OCD when he began having constant OCD

compulsions. Later after I learned/read more about OCD, I could look

back and recognize the symptoms in his younger years. They were

there, I just didn't recognize how many behaviors he had. The only

ones I'd noticed began in 3rd grade when he'd erase and rewrite

letters or trace over them, etc. I'd think, " oh a little OCD

perfectionism there " but that was all I thought at the time.

His behaviors have changed since last year. He's dropped some,

started new ones, kept some, gone back to old ones.

When he was younger, he asked a LOT of reassurance questions. He'd

get sort of " stuck " on a subject/item. For example, a simple scratch

or cut. For DAYS I'd get asked again and again how long til it

heals? And he'd give sooo much attention to it constantly. Also,

the " will I get cancer " question from either foods or something

else. Very afraid of death but all my kids were. Only would

leave the room if there was something on TV dealing with the subject,

even shows like " Touched by an Angel. " What else? Well, I mentioned

the erasing/tracing in elementary school. Last year at 12 it became,

having to do " this " to " keep something bad from happening. " That was

the OCD tip-off for me. Things he has problems with NOW are

doorways, doing things a certain way, and our " clock " has something

to do with his OCD too, gets " stuck " physically in spots/places,

repetitive movements, doing " it " til it feels like it's done right.

Regardng a young age question - 's twin had OCD

behaviors at around ages 3-4 or so (the years blur for me as they get

older!) EVERYTHING had to be done a certain way. Walk into a room

the " right " way. No wrinkles on his sheet/blanket before he would

lie down. Had to give the " right " answer or he'd get upset if the

answer wasn't said the " right " way. Things like that. Those

behaviors eventually diminished.

There's lots of other varied behaviors with the kids in this group.

Have you looked at the OCD Foundation website yet? It's very

helpful. And there's lots of books the site will recommend.

Well, hope this helped somewhat! Welcome again and hope to hear more

from you!

> Hello my name is Candy and I have a 4 1/2 yr old son " Izzy " who was

> recently diagnosed with ocd and add. I would love it if any of you

> could take the time to tell me about your child at this age. This

is

> his 3rd dx. I feel more confident that this one is right but

hearing

> about other kids with ocd at this age would be helpful.

>

> Thanks, Candy Schwartz

[Guest guest]

Hello Thanks for the prompt reply. Izzy's other

diagnosis were PDD-NOS and mild autism. I feel that

ocd may be a better fit. At 2 he had a fixation with

puzzles. Nothing abnormal about he played with the

puzzles. I just HAD to have puzzles where ever we went

that we were going to spend any time at. If I did not

have any puzzles he was a total mess. Around 2 1/2 it

switched to the magna-doodle. He got really good at

drawing. But I had to have that magna-doodle or things

fell apart. At 3 he moved to dinosaurs with a

vengeance. This one was way worse than the previous

ones. If we went any where that had dinosaurs, he had

to have that dinosaur and he had to go home with it

NOW! Lots of kids have dinosaurs. You can imagine how

this limited our socializing! Now it is pokemon,

digimon and robots. At least there is a little variety

.

He also has some sensory issues though they are

getting better with OT. I still can not take him into

this one particular grocery store. He licks the

packages and produce. Very embarrassing.

Their is also some hypotonia (upper body) and

spasticity (lower body). He starts PT on Thurs to help

with these problems.

The last thing is he does seem to have some mild

learning disabilities. I was told that was probably

due to the ADD.

At the play ground today, a mom who knows me through

my work with Family Network on Disabilities said to me

that she thought Izzy was totally normal. I had this

temporary doubt that maybe the doctors and I were just

hypochondriacs. I just want life for Izzy to be

easier. It is way too hard.

Thanks for your time. Sorry this is so long, I'm just

trying to learn.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Candy, my daughter had an abrupt onset of OCD and tics at 4 years 11 months.

At that point she had gruesome obsessions, many compulsions of all sorts, was

irritable, couldn't sleep, was suddenly clumsy and had a hard time organizing

her thoughts to spit out what she was trying to say. She was also ticcy, jumpy

and very easily startled, and self-injured by pinching, biting, scratching and

scraping herself, piercing herself with pine needles, and trying to fall without

catching herself. She put odd things in her mouth, such as carpet fuzz, and bit

many of her finger and toenails off.

From that frightening point, she is today doing very well thanks to a combo of

SSRI therapy and Exposure and Response Prevention therapy--this is a type of

behavior therapy. She does well at school, enjoys soccer and dance, has friends

and quite a social life. She just turned 8 and I am frankly amazed and very

proud at the progress she has made in three years.

I'm glad you have received a diagnosis that you have faith in for your son.

Knowing the problem is half the battle! Welcome to the group :-)

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: candyfnd

Hello my name is Candy and I have a 4 1/2 yr old son " Izzy " who was

recently diagnosed with ocd and add. I would love it if any of you

could take the time to tell me about your child at this age. This is

his 3rd dx. I feel more confident that this one is right but hearing

about other kids with ocd at this age would be helpful.

[Guest guest]

Hi Candy, my daughter had an abrupt onset of OCD and tics at 4 years 11 months.

At that point she had gruesome obsessions, many compulsions of all sorts, was

irritable, couldn't sleep, was suddenly clumsy and had a hard time organizing

her thoughts to spit out what she was trying to say. She was also ticcy, jumpy

and very easily startled, and self-injured by pinching, biting, scratching and

scraping herself, piercing herself with pine needles, and trying to fall without

catching herself. She put odd things in her mouth, such as carpet fuzz, and bit

many of her finger and toenails off.

From that frightening point, she is today doing very well thanks to a combo of

SSRI therapy and Exposure and Response Prevention therapy--this is a type of

behavior therapy. She does well at school, enjoys soccer and dance, has friends

and quite a social life. She just turned 8 and I am frankly amazed and very

proud at the progress she has made in three years.

I'm glad you have received a diagnosis that you have faith in for your son.

Knowing the problem is half the battle! Welcome to the group :-)

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: candyfnd

Hello my name is Candy and I have a 4 1/2 yr old son " Izzy " who was

recently diagnosed with ocd and add. I would love it if any of you

could take the time to tell me about your child at this age. This is

his 3rd dx. I feel more confident that this one is right but hearing

about other kids with ocd at this age would be helpful.

[Guest guest]

Hi Candy, my daughter had an abrupt onset of OCD and tics at 4 years 11 months.

At that point she had gruesome obsessions, many compulsions of all sorts, was

irritable, couldn't sleep, was suddenly clumsy and had a hard time organizing

her thoughts to spit out what she was trying to say. She was also ticcy, jumpy

and very easily startled, and self-injured by pinching, biting, scratching and

scraping herself, piercing herself with pine needles, and trying to fall without

catching herself. She put odd things in her mouth, such as carpet fuzz, and bit

many of her finger and toenails off.

From that frightening point, she is today doing very well thanks to a combo of

SSRI therapy and Exposure and Response Prevention therapy--this is a type of

behavior therapy. She does well at school, enjoys soccer and dance, has friends

and quite a social life. She just turned 8 and I am frankly amazed and very

proud at the progress she has made in three years.

I'm glad you have received a diagnosis that you have faith in for your son.

Knowing the problem is half the battle! Welcome to the group :-)

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: candyfnd

Hello my name is Candy and I have a 4 1/2 yr old son " Izzy " who was

recently diagnosed with ocd and add. I would love it if any of you

could take the time to tell me about your child at this age. This is

his 3rd dx. I feel more confident that this one is right but hearing

about other kids with ocd at this age would be helpful.

[Guest guest]

Hello Kathy, I can say that what ever Izzy has he has

had since birth. At 2 weeks old he was a nervous

wreck. Things have gotten better since then. A lot of

hard work on both our parts. What is SSRI therapy?

Please excuse my ignorance. We just got this dx a week

ago. Have you tried meds? I never thought I would

consider such a thing for such a young child but I

hate to watch him be so anxious all the time. I feel

so confused!

Candy, Gainesville Florida

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hello Kathy, I can say that what ever Izzy has he has

had since birth. At 2 weeks old he was a nervous

wreck. Things have gotten better since then. A lot of

hard work on both our parts. What is SSRI therapy?

Please excuse my ignorance. We just got this dx a week

ago. Have you tried meds? I never thought I would

consider such a thing for such a young child but I

hate to watch him be so anxious all the time. I feel

so confused!

Candy, Gainesville Florida

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hello Kathy, I can say that what ever Izzy has he has

had since birth. At 2 weeks old he was a nervous

wreck. Things have gotten better since then. A lot of

hard work on both our parts. What is SSRI therapy?

Please excuse my ignorance. We just got this dx a week

ago. Have you tried meds? I never thought I would

consider such a thing for such a young child but I

hate to watch him be so anxious all the time. I feel

so confused!

Candy, Gainesville Florida

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Candy, sorry, SSRIs are the medications used to treat OCD. SSRI stands for

Selective Seritonin Reuptake Inhibitor. They are antidepressants such as

Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, etc. that when taken at higher doses have an

antiobsessional and antianxiety effect.

Yes meds were prescribed for my daughter right away. I can certainly understand

you being confused about using medication for such a young child, but like you

felt my daughter was miserable and needed relief to even begin tackling OCD.

Many kids do well with Cognitive Behavior Therapy and are able to avoid taking

meds altogether. Others need medication, at least for a while, in order to

participate in therapy. My daughter is taking a much lower dose of her SSRI

than she was at onset, and some kids are able to stop their meds altogether

after successful therapy.

I very much recommend Dr. Tamar Chansky's book " Freeing Your Child From OCD "

which is available at the Obsessive-Compulsive Foundation website

www.ocfoundation.org or online through www.amazon.com or can be ordered (or

maybe you'll find it in stock) at your local bookstore. It is one book that can

very quickly get you up to speed on OCD and spectrum disorders, treatments, etc.

My daughter saw Dr. a few months after her onset when she participated in

an OCD study the doctor was conducting at the Brain Institute. I can't say

enough about Dr. 's " bedside " manner, I was thoroughly impressed and for

awhile, we even considered moving to Florida so she could be my daughter's

doctor.

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: Candy Schwartz

What is SSRI therapy?

Please excuse my ignorance. We just got this dx a week

ago. Have you tried meds? I never thought I would

consider such a thing for such a young child but I

hate to watch him be so anxious all the time. I feel

so confused!

[Guest guest]

> Hi Amber, welcome, do you have a webpage? What are

> your best selling

> products?

Hi, right now I'm getting my page professionally done,

it should be done by the end of the week =) I probably

sell the most facial cleansers, and soaps. Everyone

loves and needs soap.

Anber

--- " F.B. " <110461.2035@...> wrote:

Glad you joined us. Carol A2

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sao B.,

Oh yes, I DO have an idea what a relief it is to have found this

group!! I remember clearly how happy I was to find other people (albeit

invisible) who understand what life with a child like mine is like!! I also

have a nine year old with OCD and a six year old (boy) who is just, well,

demanding, but normal. We looked for a diagnosis for three years before we

moved to Nevada and found the right pediatrician, who actually LISTENED to me

(for an hour!!) and then referred us to a competent child psychiatrist.

Before that we were told that Annie had oppositional defiant disorder - I

never swallowed that one because before an illness at age four she was the

most sensitive, sweet, worried little girl, but NEVER oppositional. The OCD

made her nearly impossible to live with - especially the anger. Since she has

been on meds and in therapy the anger is GONE. We had a relapse this fall

when she was no longer on medication, and we got to reexperience Annie With

OCD - not a pretty picture. She nearly tore the family apart again (and it is

always me and our son who bear the brunt of all her outbursts).

Have lots of hope that your daughter will get much, much better. The

oppositional part may fade away when the OCD is treated. It seems that very

few people understand how much anger is a part of untreated OCD. Paxil worked

wonders for my daughter - we eventually had to switch and are now on Celexa -

and I will hope that it does the same for you.

Best wishes to you, and all the other new members here (I've lost

count today how many " newbies " have joined us!!!). Better days are ahead for

you!

, in Nevada, mom to Annie (9 with OCD) and Ben (6).

[Guest guest]

Hi Sao (sorry I can't find the tilde!) and welcome to the group. Yes your

story is pretty familiar around here. :-) With your daughter properly

diagnosed and beginning Paxil and cbt, things in your family will now start

changing for the better. I won't be surprised if your daughter catches up

developmentally fairly quickly once meds and therapy begin to have an

effect, and even loses her diagnosis of ODD. Many times a child's other

problems clear up once the OCD is effectively treated.

Her uncle's experience shows the natural or untreated course OCD takes.

andra is lucky to have received an accurate diagnosis and effective

treatment at age 9, though of course I understand that this time is

upsetting to say the least. But this diagnosis goes to show that there has

been nothing wrong with you as a mom! OCD is a disorder of brain chemicals,

and SSRIs and cbt work to normalize the function of these chemicals. It

doesn't have a thing to do with parenting techniques or anything else. :-)

Again, welcome. Let us know how things go as progresses in her

therapy.

Take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

I'm the mother of 6 year old and 9 year old girls. Our 9 year old

was always demanding, exhausting and difficult. Looking back

now over the years, all the dots connect but we thought she was

just being herself and we had to live with her personality.

3 yrs ago we moved from RI to Atlanta, GA and this kid really put

us through the paces with her emotional rollercoaster. Again, we

chalked it up to her oversensitive personality. Finally she pushed

us over the edge with her nail biting, immature behavior, and

outbursts and started reading up on difficult kids.

To make a long story short (that all of you have had the pleasure

of living through) she was evaluated by a therapist and felt to be

OCD and oppositional w/ cbt and med recommendation. She

just started Paxil yesterday.

Needless to say, this has been a very, very painful experience.

andra has a paternal uncle with OCD who went

unrecognized and " flipped out " as a college freshman. I know

it's going to take a while before we see improvement but I guess

we just accepted that this was parenting and that we were just

drew the short straw with a difficult kid.

She's in 3rd grade but developmentally tests out at 6 years of

age. It's very difficult around here. My husband has been

extremely supportive except for the fact that I had to start the ball

rolling, contact the insurance company, get the therapist, the

shrink, the med etc. He is willing to participate in a support group

and in behavior modification program but he is currently very,

very angry about circumstances.

You have no idea what a relief it is to find you andbe able to

search through archives and share all this with you. For many

years I thought there was something inadequate about me as a

mother and there was nothing wrong with my child.

São B.

[Guest guest]

Sao B wrote:

" I'm the mother of 6 year old and 9 year old girls. Our 9 year old

was always demanding, exhausting and difficult. Looking back

now over the years, all the dots connect but we thought she was

just being herself and we had to live with her personality.

3 yrs ago we moved from RI to Atlanta, GA and this kid really put

us through the paces with her emotional rollercoaster. Again, we

chalked it up to her oversensitive personality. Finally she pushed

us over the edge with her nail biting, immature behavior, and

outbursts and started reading up on difficult kids. "

Dear Sao B:

Welcome to the group; this is the best thing that ever happened to me after my

son was diagnosed with OCD and ODD at age 6 (now 10). Your story sounds almost

identical to mine. At age 3 I was reading all of those books on the difficult

child, over sensitive child, etc. and we just thought it was his personality

(unfortunately). Then in March (4 mos. after turning 6) he had a melt down and

we ended up having to take him to a psych. clinic at 8 at night. After the

evaluation with a psychologist we got the diagnosis of OCD and possible ODD, and

of course, ADHD. It was such a shock to us, too. I had really no idea what we

were up against and what all was entailed in the diagnosis. I read everything

on the internet and books. With meds and CBT (exposure/response) he is 100

times better but has a long way to go still on food issues/contamination.

Welcome again and don't be afraid to ask ANY questions no matter how many

times. You'll find this to be the best support group ever! I haven't been

posting lately but like to keep up with everyone by " lurking " as we call it. I

needed a little " me " time and not so much OCD. You'll find out that is very

important too.

Tamra

Omaha, NE

[Guest guest]

Sao B wrote:

" I'm the mother of 6 year old and 9 year old girls. Our 9 year old

was always demanding, exhausting and difficult. Looking back

now over the years, all the dots connect but we thought she was

just being herself and we had to live with her personality.

3 yrs ago we moved from RI to Atlanta, GA and this kid really put

us through the paces with her emotional rollercoaster. Again, we

chalked it up to her oversensitive personality. Finally she pushed

us over the edge with her nail biting, immature behavior, and

outbursts and started reading up on difficult kids. "

Dear Sao B:

Welcome to the group; this is the best thing that ever happened to me after my

son was diagnosed with OCD and ODD at age 6 (now 10). Your story sounds almost

identical to mine. At age 3 I was reading all of those books on the difficult

child, over sensitive child, etc. and we just thought it was his personality

(unfortunately). Then in March (4 mos. after turning 6) he had a melt down and

we ended up having to take him to a psych. clinic at 8 at night. After the

evaluation with a psychologist we got the diagnosis of OCD and possible ODD, and

of course, ADHD. It was such a shock to us, too. I had really no idea what we

were up against and what all was entailed in the diagnosis. I read everything

on the internet and books. With meds and CBT (exposure/response) he is 100

times better but has a long way to go still on food issues/contamination.

Welcome again and don't be afraid to ask ANY questions no matter how many

times. You'll find this to be the best support group ever! I haven't been

posting lately but like to keep up with everyone by " lurking " as we call it. I

needed a little " me " time and not so much OCD. You'll find out that is very

important too.

Tamra

Omaha, NE

[Guest guest]

Sao B wrote:

" I'm the mother of 6 year old and 9 year old girls. Our 9 year old

was always demanding, exhausting and difficult. Looking back

now over the years, all the dots connect but we thought she was

just being herself and we had to live with her personality.

3 yrs ago we moved from RI to Atlanta, GA and this kid really put

us through the paces with her emotional rollercoaster. Again, we

chalked it up to her oversensitive personality. Finally she pushed

us over the edge with her nail biting, immature behavior, and

outbursts and started reading up on difficult kids. "

Dear Sao B:

Welcome to the group; this is the best thing that ever happened to me after my

son was diagnosed with OCD and ODD at age 6 (now 10). Your story sounds almost

identical to mine. At age 3 I was reading all of those books on the difficult

child, over sensitive child, etc. and we just thought it was his personality

(unfortunately). Then in March (4 mos. after turning 6) he had a melt down and

we ended up having to take him to a psych. clinic at 8 at night. After the

evaluation with a psychologist we got the diagnosis of OCD and possible ODD, and

of course, ADHD. It was such a shock to us, too. I had really no idea what we

were up against and what all was entailed in the diagnosis. I read everything

on the internet and books. With meds and CBT (exposure/response) he is 100

times better but has a long way to go still on food issues/contamination.

Welcome again and don't be afraid to ask ANY questions no matter how many

times. You'll find this to be the best support group ever! I haven't been

posting lately but like to keep up with everyone by " lurking " as we call it. I

needed a little " me " time and not so much OCD. You'll find out that is very

important too.

Tamra

Omaha, NE

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay,

Welcome to the list......I also live in Ohio, and homeschool my youngest son. He

is 15 and in the 10th grade......I also make candles, gels, novelty, and getting

into soap and other body products.....I am also a stay at home mom. Which is

fine by me, as I get quality time to spend with my son, and my husband. We also

have five other kids, and three grand daughters (twins 3 years old, and one 5

month old), and a grandson who will be here in either April or May. This is a

great list to be on.

Debbie~

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Hi Debbie,

Our Proficiency tests are coming up next week and the school is

giving me grief because they say they have never given the test to

a " home-schooler " before and so they feel they shouldn't start now!

The school counselor got down-right ugly about it. Did you have

trouble with that? I have to go fight with them about it on Monday.

Kay

Do you unintentionally POISON your family?

http://www.askmehow.cjb.net

> Hi Kay,

>

> Welcome to the list......I also live in Ohio, and homeschool my

youngest son. He is 15 and in the 10th grade......I also make

candles, gels, novelty, and getting into soap and other body

products.....I am also a stay at home mom. Which is fine by me, as I

get quality time to spend with my son, and my husband. We also have

five other kids, and three grand daughters (twins 3 years old, and

one 5 month old), and a grandson who will be here in either April or

May. This is a great list to be on.

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Debbie & Kay,

I live in Ohio as well. Have either of you found any local suppliers for

soap/cosmetic supplies?

Cherry

Welcome to the list......I also live in Ohio,

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Welcome to the group Patty, I have a son who is five now and we think he has

OCd to. We are going to a doctor next week. Some days he seems fine and then

others he is way out there. And also he goes form one thing to another , one

day something bothers him and the next it does not bother him. We used to

think it was cute now we see what is happening. It is not cute anymore. HE

does have some sort of eating problem. I weighed him today with no cloths

on he is 30.1 lbs and he is five. I get so frustrated with his eating. As

far as your son and his other illnesses, I know this to , My ten year old

was born with a heart condition and he has lung problems also. One thing

after another happens to him. I am glad that OCD has not happened to him .

Hang in there things will get better. I am glad you are homeschooling to. I

am taking my boys out of the school system and homeschooling them next

year. Any suggestions email me at robert.eloi@... Barb

Eloi Mom to 5 OCD , Alec 6 and Xavier 10