Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 Hank De Groat wrote: <My logical thinking is that it should not matter since the caloric decrease in the diet is from carbohydrates and fats that are used to provide nutrients and energy. If the nutrient needs of the body can be made up through supplementation during the time of the VLCD and the energy requirements made up from the stored excess fat that the body's macro and micro nutritional needs will be meant.> ***Wouldn't it be nice if we could just decrease calories by 500-1000 per day and have our body make up the energy deficit by utilising stored fat. The body is not perfect. If the body can not make up the shortfall in energy from fat reserves, your metabolism will decrease. The body begins to prioritise survival before any aesthetic goals you may have. The goal is to eat enough so that your workouts, your strength and your occupation do not suffer significantly. How low is low? * Self monitor your energy levels * Assess your mental capabilites, can you think and compute properly * Is your short term memory up to par? Personally I would see 1500cal as very low if the client is physically active and trains with weights (at 13-15cal/lb). Maybe some other members would like to add their opinion on how they assess and monitor their diets during periods of " famine " . Chelos Sydney Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 Chelos wrote: <<Personally I would see 1500cal as very low if the client is physically active and trains with weights (at 13-15cal/lb).>> **** Not necessarily. We weren't told 's size. Is she 5'9 " tall with a normal bone structure, or is she 5' tall and small boned? If she is the latter and weighs 120 pounds, then unless he is very muscular, she is over fat. If you use the figure 120 x 13, you end up with 1,560 calories per day. She might also have a slowed metabolism because she *hasn't* been exercising. If she's a beginner, then it's better to get her exercising first, assuming she's not obese and you don't have to worry about load on her joints, etc., and try to get her to drop the junk foods rather than getting into counting calories. If she's more advanced and is trying to shed body fat that Nature doesn't particularly think she ought, then the best way to do it is figure out the calorie intake. Like Don Nguyen said, you have to take in less than you expend. This endeavor can get down to a very fine line, as we all know, which is why people start picking apart various food, looking for a bit of an assist from the GI Index, cutting carbs, etc., etc. Rosemary Vernon, Editor Dolfzine On-Line Fitness, Inc. A Not-For-Profit Corporation www.dolfzine.com Marina del Rey, CA IronRoses@... http://www.chuckietechie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Greetings: I have a lovely female patient, 45 years old I am treating for an MVA. She had a pace maker two years ago and a mitral valve installed prior to that. She is on coumendin and wants to lose some weight. Presently she is 5'2' " and 250 pounds. Her MD has cautioned her about salads, slim fast, cruciform veges, She has all but eliminated good foods. Any ideas? Neil R. Cohen, D.C. Dundee Chiropractic I am sending this as some of your patients may use Fentanyl patches. I imagine the use of a hot pack would fit in to the warning below. I would also be careful to note where the patch is located so that it won’t be traumatized by you in any way causing it to release more of the drug than is safe. s. fuchs dc http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/advisory/fentanyl_2007.htm · Heat may increase the amount of fentanyl that reaches the blood and can cause life-threatening breathing problems and death. Patients should not use heat sources such as heating pads, electric blankets, saunas, or heated waterbeds or take hot baths or sun bathe while wearing a patch. A patient or caregiver should call the patient’s doctor right away if the patient has a fever higher than 102ºF while wearing a patch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hey Neil: she has got to eat healthully, or else he will die prematurely form any number of oher reasons. I would strongly urge you to focus NOT on what she CANT to do/eat etc but focus on what she MUST do/eat etc. Ala Jimmy Chestnut ( yeah we I am broken record) she MUST eat, move and think in ways that result in health..she has NO other choice. Many wellness medicos like Joe Mercola have their cardio patients with valves and stents etc eating plenty of veggies and they claim that they are not dropping dead, but thriving. Check out the modified paleolithic dietary approach espoused by Chestnut, Mercola, or even my old classmate Vasquez. Google any of them, or go to my website springbrookclinic.com and look at Loren Cordain's stuff I have there. Good like sir. > > Greetings: > > I have a lovely female patient, 45 years old I am treating for an MVA. She had a pace maker two years ago and a mitral valve installed prior to that. She is on coumendin and wants to lose some weight. Presently she is 5'2' " and 250 pounds. Her MD has cautioned her about salads, slim fast, cruciform veges, She has all but eliminated good foods. > Any ideas? > > Neil R. Cohen, D.C. > Dundee Chiropractic > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I believe the issue is Vitamin K in certain foods counter acting the Coumadin. It is an absolute must to be mindful of this. s.fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of spbkchiro97132 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Diet recommendations Hey Neil: she has got to eat healthully, or else he will die prematurely form any number of oher reasons. I would strongly urge you to focus NOT on what she CANT to do/eat etc but focus on what she MUST do/eat etc. Ala Jimmy Chestnut ( yeah we I am broken record) she MUST eat, move and think in ways that result in health..she has NO other choice. Many wellness medicos like Joe Mercola have their cardio patients with valves and stents etc eating plenty of veggies and they claim that they are not dropping dead, but thriving. Check out the modified paleolithic dietary approach espoused by Chestnut, Mercola, or even my old classmate Vasquez. Google any of them, or go to my website springbrookclinic.com and look at Loren Cordain's stuff I have there. Good like sir. > > Greetings: > > I have a lovely female patient, 45 years old I am treating for an MVA. She had a pace maker two years ago and a mitral valve installed prior to that. She is on coumendin and wants to lose some weight. Presently she is 5'2' " and 250 pounds. Her MD has cautioned her about salads, slim fast, cruciform veges, She has all but eliminated good foods. > Any ideas? > > Neil R. Cohen, D.C. > Dundee Chiropractic > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Yes, that was 's point: the person does need to be mindful of it AND she needs to include thatng that keep her well. In not studying foods, the allopaths limit people in knowing how much they can do vs shouldn't do. Fully eliminating veggies - as education from that arena would have you believe - is not realistic nor necessary. Limiting that intake is probably smart. But, given that nutrients gained from that food group are fundamental and essentail nutritients, consuming parital and periodic amounts is necessary. What is objectionable is the fear that is instilled into our community with any prescription of that drug .... any of you who have encourntered these people know how resistant to ANY other suggestion or change. In this arena, we know so many people 'who refuse to give up my veggies/salads' - although most of them I know do limit that intake - and do well. There seems to be much research here that the allopaths need to do to update the education they are pumping out. my 2 cents. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C Eugene, Oregon, 97401 541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955 From: sharronf@...Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:30:47 -0800Subject: RE: Re: Diet recommendations I believe the issue is Vitamin K in certain foods counter acting the Coumadin. It is an absolute must to be mindful of this. s.fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of spbkchiro97132Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Diet recommendations Hey Neil: she has got to eat healthully, or else he will die prematurely form any number of oher reasons. I would strongly urge you to focus NOT on what she CANT to do/eat etc but focus on what she MUST do/eat etc. Ala Jimmy Chestnut ( yeah we I am broken record) she MUST eat, move and think in ways that result in health..she has NO other choice.Many wellness medicos like Joe Mercola have their cardio patients with valves and stents etc eating plenty of veggies and they claim that they are not dropping dead, but thriving. Check out the modified paleolithic dietary approach espoused by Chestnut, Mercola, or even my old classmate Vasquez. Google any of them, or go to my website springbrookclinic.com and look at Loren Cordain's stuff I have there. Good like sir. >> Greetings:> > I have a lovely female patient, 45 years old I am treating for an MVA. She had a pace maker two years ago and a mitral valve installed prior to that. She is on coumendin and wants to lose some weight. Presently she is 5'2'" and 250 pounds. Her MD has cautioned her about salads, slim fast, cruciform veges, She has all but eliminated good foods.> Any ideas?> > Neil R. Cohen, D.C.> Dundee Chiropractic> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Get it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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