Re: Note to about your cats

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Especially kittens.. My next door neighbors had a kitten die.. I have

tried to explain why mold is particularly toxic to fast growing cells

- children, kittens, new memories, etc. its all the same thing.. but

they don't understand..

Children should NOT under ANY circumstances live in homes with toxic

mold. Really, adults shouldn't either, but mold has a very real chance

of dramatically changing childrens life outcome. Especially ones thta

have not been breastfed.. (women should ALWAYS breast feed their

children.. In mold free homes, preferably. The IQ difference is

substantial, but its the immunities we are talking about here.)

Cats and mold dont mix because they will pick up a lot of mold, being

basically little mops.. and close to the ground as well.. esp.

indoor/outdoor cats..

Then that mold will get into your lungs and mouth, inevitably, unless

you are that very rare cat owner who doesn't ever touch their cats.

I would either move, or move.. You don't want to give up your cats..

make sure they get a very good washing between the old home and the

new.. so they dont bring zillions of spores along with them..

Pets are often the first to get really ill in a mold situation..

On 11/14/05, malibu805@... <malibu805@...> wrote:

> Dear , Although you are probably a bit overwhelmed by your

> circumstances, I wanted to let you know that our cats lived in our moldy house

with us and

> got sick too! Now years later, we live in a mold-free environment, our cats

> are still with us, and they have asthma from the mold too! The thought of you

> " kicking the cats out " is what prompted this post. You child is most likely

> hyperreactive to mold, not cats, but when we are so sick, we react to

> everything, even cat dander for awhile. There is a a product called " Allerpet "

which

> you can purchase from a reputable allergy supply house, which can be rubbed on

> the fur of a cat and which removes dander. Doing this once a week until you

> are settled in a safer place or have remediated your house and keeping your

> cats is a more desirable option. Mal

>

[Guest guest]

An interesting article about cats and asthma can be found at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1209204.stm

It appears that some people when exposed to cats at an early age develop a

protective immunity from getting asthma. Not so if you are allergic, but maybe

don't be too quick to throw out the cats. I think this may have happened with

my grandson. He was really sick with breahing problems as an infant. They

stayed with us for a while after he was first born and we have cats. I worried

constantly that the cats may have caused it. He was on antihistamines and even

prednisone for a while. Now he is seven and doesn't appear to have allergies at

all and is very healthy. May not be the case for everyone though.

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Especially kittens.. My next door neighbors had a kitten die.. I have

tried to explain why mold is particularly toxic to fast growing cells

- children, kittens, new memories, etc. its all the same thing.. but

they don't understand..

Children should NOT under ANY circumstances live in homes with toxic

mold. Really, adults shouldn't either, but mold has a very real chance

of dramatically changing childrens life outcome. Especially ones thta

have not been breastfed.. (women should ALWAYS breast feed their

children.. In mold free homes, preferably. The IQ difference is

substantial, but its the immunities we are talking about here.)

Cats and mold dont mix because they will pick up a lot of mold, being

basically little mops.. and close to the ground as well.. esp.

indoor/outdoor cats..

Then that mold will get into your lungs and mouth, inevitably, unless

you are that very rare cat owner who doesn't ever touch their cats.

I would either move, or move.. You don't want to give up your cats..

make sure they get a very good washing between the old home and the

new.. so they dont bring zillions of spores along with them..

Pets are often the first to get really ill in a mold situation..

On 11/14/05, malibu805@... <malibu805@...> wrote:

> Dear , Although you are probably a bit overwhelmed by your

> circumstances, I wanted to let you know that our cats lived in our moldy house

with us and

> got sick too! Now years later, we live in a mold-free environment, our cats

> are still with us, and they have asthma from the mold too! The thought of you

> " kicking the cats out " is what prompted this post. You child is most likely

> hyperreactive to mold, not cats, but when we are so sick, we react to

> everything, even cat dander for awhile. There is a a product called " Allerpet "

which

> you can purchase from a reputable allergy supply house, which can be rubbed on

> the fur of a cat and which removes dander. Doing this once a week until you

> are settled in a safer place or have remediated your house and keeping your

> cats is a more desirable option. Mal

>

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They even try to blame psychiatric illnesses on cats. I read an article last

year that said most mold victims were single females with cats, all

psychiatrically disabled. They think something has to be wrong with someone to

be single, have a cat, and think mold can harm them!

Psychiatrist studying link between cats, schizophrenia

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/health/sfl-1111cats,1,3971329.story?ctrack=\

1 & cset=true

[Guest guest]

A single woman with a cat! sounds good to me! Cats don't leave the toilet

seat up! LOL

-- Re: [] Note to about your cats

They even try to blame psychiatric illnesses on cats. I read an article last

year that said most mold victims were single females with cats, all

psychiatrically disabled. They think something has to be wrong with someone

to be single, have a cat, and think mold can harm them!

Psychiatrist studying link between cats, schizophrenia

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/health/sfl-1111cats,1,3971329

story?ctrack=1 & cset=true

[Guest guest]

Actually, that's kinda cool. I mean, at least he's willing to look at physical

causes. I used to have ulcers. I was told to avoid certain foods, cut down on

stress. Funny how killing off the h. pylori cut down on the stress.: ) I

would've have thought the doc was a nutcase myself, until realizing just how

strongly individuals can react to environmental factors like mycotoxins. And

they're still trying to claim this is all caused by hysteria. Which would make

me...what - Enviro Mental?

Anyway, I like the single female thing. Anybody want to take this cat off my

hands?

And BTW - how the heck do you decontaminate a long-haired, asthmatic, frail

cat? Not spores - just mycotoxins. The cat doesn't live with me, but I'm trying

to figure out how to do this without killing either one of us. He can't even be

washed. It causes asthma attacks. (And be careful if you answer. One word about

how crazy this question sounds, and I'll probably go all Lizzy Borden on you. ;

)

Serena

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[Guest guest]

When you had " hysteria " 100 years ago, you got great treatment by the doctor!

LOL. I won't go into details, but I don't get that kind of treatment on my

health plan. :-)

Maines has a great book out about it.

[Guest guest]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHY I HAVE A CAT, MARY, HEHE!

HUGS,

VICTORIA

Re: [] Note to about your cats

>

> They even try to blame psychiatric illnesses on cats. I read an article

> last

> year that said most mold victims were single females with cats, all

> psychiatrically disabled. They think something has to be wrong with

> someone

> to be single, have a cat, and think mold can harm them!

>

> Psychiatrist studying link between cats, schizophrenia

> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/health/sfl-1111cats,1,3971329

> story?ctrack=1 & cset=true

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Actually, that's kinda cool. I mean, at least he's willing to look at physical

causes. I used to have ulcers. I was told to avoid certain foods, cut down on

stress. Funny how killing off the h. pylori cut down on the stress.: ) I

would've have thought the doc was a nutcase myself, until realizing just how

strongly individuals can react to environmental factors like mycotoxins. And

they're still trying to claim this is all caused by hysteria. Which would make

me...what - Enviro Mental?

>

> Anyway, I like the single female thing. Anybody want to take this cat off my

hands?

>

> And BTW - how the heck do you decontaminate a long-haired, asthmatic, frail

cat? Not spores - just mycotoxins. The cat doesn't live with me, but I'm trying

to figure out how to do this without killing either one of us. He can't even be

washed. It causes asthma attacks. (And be careful if you answer. One word about

how crazy this question sounds, and I'll probably go all Lizzy Borden on you. ;

)

>

>

>

>

>

> Serena

> (Drywall Casserole with Gummint Cheese. It's what's for dinner!)

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Whoops- I pushed the wrong button the first time. So, how long have you been

sitiing on

ths pun? Enviro- Mental! It is really great- I love puns.

An idea. There is a product that de-natures allergenic proteins. It is useful

for me and dust

mite stuff, I really don't know if it would help your cat, but you could try it.

You could

wring out a washcloth with it and rub it onto your cat. Then she doesn't get

wet, and the

spraying into the air wouldn't hurt her lungs. But you would have to try a small

amount

first to see if he could tolerate it.

www.allergyproducts.com

>

> Actually, that's kinda cool. I mean, at least he's willing to look at physical

causes. I used

to have ulcers. I was told to avoid certain foods, cut down on stress. Funny how

killing off

the h. pylori cut down on the stress.: ) I would've have thought the doc was a

nutcase

myself, until realizing just how strongly individuals can react to environmental

factors like

mycotoxins. And they're still trying to claim this is all caused by hysteria.

Which would

make me...what - Enviro Mental?

>

> Anyway, I like the single female thing. Anybody want to take this cat off my

hands?

>

> And BTW - how the heck do you decontaminate a long-haired, asthmatic, frail

cat? Not

spores - just mycotoxins. The cat doesn't live with me, but I'm trying to figure

out how to

do this without killing either one of us. He can't even be washed. It causes

asthma attacks.

(And be careful if you answer. One word about how crazy this question sounds,

and I'll

probably go all Lizzy Borden on you. ; )

>

>

>

>

>

> Serena

> (Drywall Casserole with Gummint Cheese. It's what's for dinner!)

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. Sounds good, but I don't have a problem with allergens. I'm not

allergic to cats or mold. I just have the genetic problem with the toxins from

the mold.

kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote:

Whoops- I pushed the wrong button the first time. So, how long have you been

sitiing on

ths pun? Enviro- Mental! It is really great- I love puns.

An idea. There is a product that de-natures allergenic proteins. It is useful

for me and dust

mite stuff, I really don't know if it would help your cat, but you could try it.

You could

wring out a washcloth with it and rub it onto your cat. Then she doesn't get

wet, and the

spraying into the air wouldn't hurt her lungs. But you would have to try a small

amount

first to see if he could tolerate it.

www.allergyproducts.com

>

> Actually, that's kinda cool. I mean, at least he's willing to look at physical

causes. I used

to have ulcers. I was told to avoid certain foods, cut down on stress. Funny how

killing off

the h. pylori cut down on the stress.: ) I would've have thought the doc was a

nutcase

myself, until realizing just how strongly individuals can react to environmental

factors like

mycotoxins. And they're still trying to claim this is all caused by hysteria.

Which would

make me...what - Enviro Mental?

>

> Anyway, I like the single female thing. Anybody want to take this cat off my

hands?

>

> And BTW - how the heck do you decontaminate a long-haired, asthmatic, frail

cat? Not

spores - just mycotoxins. The cat doesn't live with me, but I'm trying to figure

out how to

do this without killing either one of us. He can't even be washed. It causes

asthma attacks.

(And be careful if you answer. One word about how crazy this question sounds,

and I'll

probably go all Lizzy Borden on you. ; )

>

>

>

>

>

> Serena

> (Drywall Casserole with Gummint Cheese. It's what's for dinner!)

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I understand. i was just thinking that what works for one might work for the

other.

> >

> > Actually, that's kinda cool. I mean, at least he's willing to look at

physical causes. I

used

> to have ulcers. I was told to avoid certain foods, cut down on stress. Funny

how killing

off

> the h. pylori cut down on the stress.: ) I would've have thought the doc was a

nutcase

> myself, until realizing just how strongly individuals can react to

environmental factors

like

> mycotoxins. And they're still trying to claim this is all caused by hysteria.

Which would

> make me...what - Enviro Mental?

> >

> > Anyway, I like the single female thing. Anybody want to take this cat off

my hands?

> >

> > And BTW - how the heck do you decontaminate a long-haired, asthmatic,

frail cat?

Not

> spores - just mycotoxins. The cat doesn't live with me, but I'm trying to

figure out how

to

> do this without killing either one of us. He can't even be washed. It causes

asthma

attacks.

> (And be careful if you answer. One word about how crazy this question sounds,

and I'll

> probably go all Lizzy Borden on you. ; )

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Serena

> > (Drywall Casserole with Gummint Cheese. It's what's for dinner!)

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Enviro Mental

You got that right LOL. Thanks for everyones suggestions about my

precious fluffies. We are all doing well, health wise at the moment.

I am so mad I couldnt sleep. The building inspector came and wrote

some stuff down. he didnt care about the things I cared about but

whatever, at least its something. I told the prop. manager that she

should be expecting a letter from him on what needs to be fixed. She

said what did you do that for!? Now I have to deal with him. I

thought, tough shit lady!! I said there are very serious roblems in

that apt that need to be fixed. The new renters plan on having their

baby in that mold infested place!!! OMG Does it ever end? We handed

the keys in so I never have to go back again, but wheres my sense of

relief!? I feel like that was all just warming up to the real show.

I couldnt sleep last night. Im up before the baby! The prop. manager

never even picked her head up out of her 'puter to look at me while

I was talking to her. I told her Zoe has asthma and that it didnt

start until the ceiling fell in......in her crib. (she sleeps with

us thank god) I told her we have to get blood tests to see the amout

of toxic exposure we had living there. She said...my friend has

asthma, shes a fire fighter. Sorry, but do I look like I care!? She

still didnt look at me. Im waiting for the office to open so I can

talk to the owner and put in my complaint. Its Coldwell Banker prop.

managment. So, there should be a head honcho guy/woman there. Ill go

on TV badmouthing these people. Im so upset about the whole thing. I

am very happy that we are doing well. The results from my bloody

bresatmilk are in....there are no abnormal cells, just some white

blood cells so I had an infection. Ahhhhhhh, almost 7am...wonder

what time that crappy place opens.....

Thanks for listening to me ramble. You guys are the best!

~

[Guest guest]

OMG, SARAH, I'M SOOOOOOOO GLAD YOUR BABY IS OK!! NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT

THAN HERS & YOUR HEALTH! I SUGGEST YOU GET OUTTA THAT APT.....ASAP!

TAKE CARE,

VICTORIA

[] Re: Note to about your cats

> Enviro Mental

>

> You got that right LOL. Thanks for everyones suggestions about my

> precious fluffies. We are all doing well, health wise at the moment.

> I am so mad I couldnt sleep. The building inspector came and wrote

> some stuff down. he didnt care about the things I cared about but

> whatever, at least its something. I told the prop. manager that she

> should be expecting a letter from him on what needs to be fixed. She

> said what did you do that for!? Now I have to deal with him. I

> thought, tough shit lady!! I said there are very serious roblems in

> that apt that need to be fixed. The new renters plan on having their

> baby in that mold infested place!!! OMG Does it ever end? We handed

> the keys in so I never have to go back again, but wheres my sense of

> relief!? I feel like that was all just warming up to the real show.

> I couldnt sleep last night. Im up before the baby! The prop. manager

> never even picked her head up out of her 'puter to look at me while

> I was talking to her. I told her Zoe has asthma and that it didnt

> start until the ceiling fell in......in her crib. (she sleeps with

> us thank god) I told her we have to get blood tests to see the amout

> of toxic exposure we had living there. She said...my friend has

> asthma, shes a fire fighter. Sorry, but do I look like I care!? She

> still didnt look at me. Im waiting for the office to open so I can

> talk to the owner and put in my complaint. Its Coldwell Banker prop.

> managment. So, there should be a head honcho guy/woman there. Ill go

> on TV badmouthing these people. Im so upset about the whole thing. I

> am very happy that we are doing well. The results from my bloody

> bresatmilk are in....there are no abnormal cells, just some white

> blood cells so I had an infection. Ahhhhhhh, almost 7am...wonder

> what time that crappy place opens.....

>

> Thanks for listening to me ramble. You guys are the best!

> ~

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

No, but I wish it did. That is, you'd want to get rid of spores and spore

fragments as much as possible in most situations because it's the mold that

produces the toxins in the first place. But killing the spores doesn't kill the

toxins, since they weren't alive in the first place. Most of the things you

would do that kills mold spores is capable of both convincing them to produce

more mycotoxins, as well as spreading the stuff around at the same time. It's a

total pain in the kitty butt, I'm afraid. (He would look so cute in a little

hazcat suit, though! I bet he'd let me put him in one, too. ; )

kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote:

I understand. i was just thinking that what works for one might work for the

other.

> >

> > Actually, that's kinda cool. I mean, at least he's willing to look at

physical causes. I

used

> to have ulcers. I was told to avoid certain foods, cut down on stress. Funny

how killing

off

> the h. pylori cut down on the stress.: ) I would've have thought the doc was a

nutcase

> myself, until realizing just how strongly individuals can react to

environmental factors

like

> mycotoxins. And they're still trying to claim this is all caused by hysteria.

Which would

> make me...what - Enviro Mental?

> >

> > Anyway, I like the single female thing. Anybody want to take this cat off

my hands?

> >

> > And BTW - how the heck do you decontaminate a long-haired, asthmatic,

frail cat?

Not

> spores - just mycotoxins. The cat doesn't live with me, but I'm trying to

figure out how

to

> do this without killing either one of us. He can't even be washed. It causes

asthma

attacks.

> (And be careful if you answer. One word about how crazy this question sounds,

and I'll

> probably go all Lizzy Borden on you. ; )

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Serena

> > (Drywall Casserole with Gummint Cheese. It's what's for dinner!)

> >

> >

> >

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