Re: Re: Re: consider the rest of the story...what are they leavi...

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I heartily agree with Minga. As a long time Roman Catholic I find it offensive to read such dribble on this list service-without labeling it as the off topic gossip that it is.

Please label this stuff OT so I can focus on important issues.

Schneider DC

PDX

On Thu 29/05/08 4:13 PM , AboWoman@... sent:

Moderator: can this stuff please be labeled OT?

Thanks,

Minga Guerrero DC

In a message dated 5/26/2008 9:37:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sjerryrocketmail writes:

Yes,, makes you go hmmmmm...

"The History of Catholic Celibacy

Priests had many concubines - too costly for the Church

The idea of Catholic celibacy is especially foolish when you realize

the reason behind it. Before the middle ages it was allowable for

Catholic priests to have multiple wives and mistresses (concubines).

But with concerns for protecting Church property from inheritance

Pope Pelagius I made new priests agree offspring could not inherit

Church property. Pope then declared all sons of priests

illegitimate (only sons since lowly daughters could inherit anyway in

society).

In 1022 Pope Benedict VIII banned marriages and mistresses for

priests and in 1139 Pope Innocent II voided all marriages of priests

and all new priests had to divorce their wives. This had nothing to

do with morality, multiple women for males had long been the norm

since before biblical times, but it was about MONEY! In biblical

times many wives, concubines and breeders was common and never spoken

against other than by to the Elders of and Titus. In the

Tanakh, Jewish priests suggest 4 wives was probably about the right

number.

The whole celibacy nonsense was also the result of middle age gnostic

influences that false taught that the body was dirty and not

spiritual and to be more spiritual you had to avoid natural

sexuality."

> >

> > Listmates:

> >

> > An excerpt attached below was forwarded from a source I consider

> > reliable. It is a from a letter by a man of one faith talking

> about

> > another faith, or rather....the reality versus what is reported

by

> a

> > main stream media that seems unwilling to examine its OWN agenda

> and its

> > OWN type of bigotry.

> >

> > I do not intend this as a RELIGIOUS commentary at all; what I

> intend, is

> > to show example of another form of inaccuracy in reporting and

the

> > general press that makes such sensations out of the negative, yet

> never

> > get around to reporting the positive. What the Media is doing is

> not

> > the news, nor is it journalism.

> >

> > The recent spate of public admissions and long suppressed

> discoveries

> > that medical science, research reports, pharmaceutical mistakes

in

> > general are misreported, comes as no surprise to any but the most

> > casual or indifferent observer.

> >

> > Please continue to bear in mind this is an EXAMPLE of the type of

> > information left out by selective editing of Mainstream Media,

NOT

> a

> > promotion of any religion or practice.

> >

> > As applied to the issues of health care and education, as well as

> civil

> > and criminal behavior, "We the People" deserve more than we are

> > getting from our news organizations. The Third Estate is failing

> in its

> > historical role of presenting the facts. There are more specific

> > instances where the Media has been caught MANUFACTURING

the 'facts'.

> >

> > We are increasingly subjected to an unremitting stream of

> propaganda,

> > distortions, and lies. Is it just to sell air time or newsprint?

> Is it

> > just to propagate a political or social position? Think of the

> poorly

> > reported disinformation war that's been waged against alternative

> health

> > care these past 30 years. How many headlines does THAT produce?

> >

> > STORY:

> >

> > *Be Proud of Being Catholic (Excerpts of an article written by

Sam

> > , prominent Cleveland Jewish businessman - NOT Catholic) *

> >

> > Why would newspapers carry on a vendetta on one of the most

> important

> > institutions that we have today in the United States, namely

> > the Catholic Church?

> >

> > Do you know - the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students

> everyday

> > at the cost to your Church of 10 billion dollars, and a savings

on

> the

> > other hand to the American taxpayer of 18 billion dollars. Your

> > graduates go on to graduate studies at the rate of 92%, all at a

> cost to

> > you. To the rest of the Americans it's free.

> >

> > The Church has 230 colleges and universities in the U.S. with an

> > enrollment of 700,000 students.

> > The Catholic Church has a non-profit hospital system of 637

> hospitals,

> > which account for hospital treatment of 1 out of every 5 people -

> not

> > just Catholics - in the United States today.

> >

> > But the press is vindictive and trying to totally denigrate in

> every way

> > the Catholic Church in this country. They have blamed the disease

> of

> > pedophilia on the Catholic Church, which is as irresponsible as

> blaming

> > adultery on the institution of marriage.

> >

> > Let me give you some figures that you as Catholics should know

and

> > remember. For example, 12% of the 300 Protestant clergy surveyed

> > admitted to sexual intercourse with a parishioner; 38%

acknowledged

> > other inappropriate sexual contact in a study by the United

> Methodist

> > Church, 41.8 % of clergywomen reported unwanted sexual behavior;

> 17% of

> > laywomen have been sexually harassed. Meanwhile, 1.7% of the

> Catholic

> > clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia. 10% of the Protestant

> > ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia. This is not a

> Catholic

> > Problem. [edited for length]

> >

> > J. Pedersen DC

> >

>

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