Re: contaminated belongings question

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill, dealing with all this myself now for a year, and going to

be moving again in a month and a half. I did cross contaminate my

rental, and moved the stuff out after about 4 weeks- and more stuff

in 8 week and a last chair after a few months- so now I cant sit in

the livingroom at all- even though all the stuff was washed several

time and things washed- walls, rug covered with plastic- but it is

better now than when the stuff was there- I did cross contaminate my

monitor- which sat where something else was- and some of my work

area- , so my experience was yes- cross contaminaton was bad- I have

art work stored at alot of friends garages and houses- none of them

has reported the least bit of problem with it- although when I visit

my one friends ,I cannot go within 20 feet of her garage, with allot

of my paintings in there. I installed a de-humidafyer in her garage

to keep the paintings dry- and will be moving them next momth to my

de-contamination shed-

My curiosity at first was- I am sitting 10 feet from a cross

contaminated area- and it burns my arm that is on that side- so is

this just a reaction my arm is having to the toxin " over there " or

is the toxin actually coming across the room to attatch to my arm?

If my arm was just reacting to the toxin that is radiating but not

moving from its place- then my arm should feel better just by being

away from the area- but no- it needs soaking and cleaning to feel

better- So you say- well you are just soothing the reaction on the

arm by soaking and washing. But no- my now clean arm will react

again if I put the same shirt on I had before without soaking it for

12 hrs. These baffling reactions lead those of us with these

problems to loose friends if we discuss these things in public- Why

not - I would think I was crazy if not for this web site. hope any

of this helps- how are you feeling?

>

> I'm wondering what people's experience with this issue is:

>

> If you bring something that is cross contaminated, or originally

contaminated, into a clean house, and then you remove it, will the

items that were next to it now be contaminated? Will the air carry

mycotoxins?

>

> I have a box of papers and journals stored in my parent's garage,

and it's almost too sealed - everything is in ziplocs, hefty bags,

etc. She's opened it a few times outside to let it air. Recently

she sent me blankets that were in the same garage and I'm afraid of

them...although I need blankets (the organic ones I just bought

cause reactions, as I have MCS).

>

> Anyway, it got me to thinking about a few other things, like a

dutch oven and silverware that I salvaged, but feel like I react to,

which are at my boyfriend's house, and a rocking chair at another

friend's house. Are these things cross contaminating their houses?

I know it's a big question with no easy answer, but often other's

experience helps.

>

> BTW - if anyone has NOT read Mold Warriors, all I can say is I

wish to god I'd gone to him when i first got sick. I've made every

mistake in the book. I also wish I could convince my doc here to

follow the protocol...oh well...

>

> Jill

>

> " Never doubt that a small group of people

> can change the world-indeed it is the only

> thing that ever has. "

> Margaret Mead

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi Jill karen and sick buildings group I am new to this board.

I am also very confused about crosscontamination.my family of six

very ill from mycotoxicosis. We tried to remediate our house " major

mistake " .We had no idea about the dangers of mold and disturbing its

breeding ground.When my husanbd tore out the wall behind shower in

bathroom we had to leave our house next day. I had been sick " in

bed " for approx year and half before he found mold. Husband and kids

sick too but not like me. Bird died and dog sick too. we left and

crosscontaimanated every rental house we went too. we

crosscontaminated our camper and our van had leak in it full of

mycotoxins too.They repoed the van and camper. My aunt took care of

my dog he went straight from my house " full of mycotoxins " to the

vet and then too my aunts house. I now react at the vet and my aunts

house. The sad thing is that My aunt and uncle are now sick and I

can't make her belive it's from her house. If I spend over an hour

there my mind goes blank and vision gets blurry and I get

nausea " metal taste in my mouth " start vomiting.We even

crosscontaimnated motel we lived in for two monthes with " my paper

work and lab reports from my doc " . Now we are living in a rental

house with nothing " only air matressess " . I am scared to bring

anything in house. The house is old and I can tell that its moldy

but I don't react like I do to my possessions. What is the

difference?Some places I go My eyes just feel funny but other places

make me feel like " brain fog " eyes swell turn bluish and suffer from

major neurological problems then I gag. WE are going to see

Sheomaker as soon as he can get us in.We are burning our house

down " we give up on remediation " .The sad thing is that I tried to

tell the people who repoed my car and all my furniture that " it was

full of mtcotoxins " but they would not listen. I feel sorry for the

whoever buys my stuff. thanks cm.

>

> Hi Jill, dealing with all this myself now for a year, and going to

> be moving again in a month and a half. I did cross contaminate my

> rental, and moved the stuff out after about 4 weeks- and more

stuff

> in 8 week and a last chair after a few months- so now I cant sit

in

> the livingroom at all- even though all the stuff was washed

several

> time and things washed- walls, rug covered with plastic- but it is

> better now than when the stuff was there- I did cross contaminate

my

> monitor- which sat where something else was- and some of my work

> area- , so my experience was yes- cross contaminaton was bad- I

have

> art work stored at alot of friends garages and houses- none of

them

> has reported the least bit of problem with it- although when I

visit

> my one friends ,I cannot go within 20 feet of her garage, with

allot

> of my paintings in there. I installed a de-humidafyer in her

garage

> to keep the paintings dry- and will be moving them next momth to

my

> de-contamination shed-

> My curiosity at first was- I am sitting 10 feet from a cross

> contaminated area- and it burns my arm that is on that side- so is

> this just a reaction my arm is having to the toxin " over there " or

> is the toxin actually coming across the room to attatch to my arm?

> If my arm was just reacting to the toxin that is radiating but not

> moving from its place- then my arm should feel better just by

being

> away from the area- but no- it needs soaking and cleaning to feel

> better- So you say- well you are just soothing the reaction on the

> arm by soaking and washing. But no- my now clean arm will react

> again if I put the same shirt on I had before without soaking it

for

> 12 hrs. These baffling reactions lead those of us with these

> problems to loose friends if we discuss these things in public-

Why

> not - I would think I was crazy if not for this web site. hope any

> of this helps- how are you feeling?

>

> >

> > I'm wondering what people's experience with this issue is:

> >

> > If you bring something that is cross contaminated, or originally

> contaminated, into a clean house, and then you remove it, will the

> items that were next to it now be contaminated? Will the air

carry

> mycotoxins?

> >

> > I have a box of papers and journals stored in my parent's

garage,

> and it's almost too sealed - everything is in ziplocs, hefty bags,

> etc. She's opened it a few times outside to let it air.

Recently

> she sent me blankets that were in the same garage and I'm afraid

of

> them...although I need blankets (the organic ones I just bought

> cause reactions, as I have MCS).

> >

> > Anyway, it got me to thinking about a few other things, like a

> dutch oven and silverware that I salvaged, but feel like I react

to,

> which are at my boyfriend's house, and a rocking chair at another

> friend's house. Are these things cross contaminating their

houses?

> I know it's a big question with no easy answer, but often other's

> experience helps.

> >

> > BTW - if anyone has NOT read Mold Warriors, all I can say is I

> wish to god I'd gone to him when i first got sick. I've made

every

> mistake in the book. I also wish I could convince my doc here to

> follow the protocol...oh well...

> >

> > Jill

> >

> > " Never doubt that a small group of people

> > can change the world-indeed it is the only

> > thing that ever has. "

> > Margaret Mead

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am still in my house, and am trying to move the worst stuff out to the garage.

I can now

" feel the burn " too, sometimes on the side of my arm as I go by something that

was in the

basement for a long time. If I pick something up, I can feel it then too. Ino

longer believe I

am going crazy, like I used to, I just chalk it up to yet another manifestation

of fungal

poisoning to the neural system, or something like that. It is almost like it is

hot. I also had

a reaction to a shirt that was down there that I put on without realizing it,

when I changed

clothes, I was ok. I mean, it was only a minute or 2. I had on an undershirt, so

I changed

everything. Then they get washed, with borax and detergent. But not the bad

shirt- that is

going to storage.

I get cross contaminated alot. By myself on occasion, and by the others living

here more

often.

Sometimes when I pick up something with my bare hands, even washing won't get

rid of

it. So if I even think I am going to work on something, I put on some gloves- I

found a

kind that have a latex palm or something which blocks it for me better than

cotton. One of

my pairs is getting kinda bad, so I may need to toss them pretty soon.

>

> Hi Jill, dealing with all this myself now for a year, and going to

> be moving again in a month and a half. I did cross contaminate my

> rental, and moved the stuff out after about 4 weeks- and more stuff

> in 8 week and a last chair after a few months- so now I cant sit in

> the livingroom at all- even though all the stuff was washed several

> time and things washed- walls, rug covered with plastic- but it is

> better now than when the stuff was there- I did cross contaminate my

> monitor- which sat where something else was- and some of my work

> area- , so my experience was yes- cross contaminaton was bad- I have

> art work stored at alot of friends garages and houses- none of them

> has reported the least bit of problem with it- although when I visit

> my one friends ,I cannot go within 20 feet of her garage, with allot

> of my paintings in there. I installed a de-humidafyer in her garage

> to keep the paintings dry- and will be moving them next momth to my

> de-contamination shed-

> My curiosity at first was- I am sitting 10 feet from a cross

> contaminated area- and it burns my arm that is on that side- so is

> this just a reaction my arm is having to the toxin " over there " or

> is the toxin actually coming across the room to attatch to my arm?

> If my arm was just reacting to the toxin that is radiating but not

> moving from its place- then my arm should feel better just by being

> away from the area- but no- it needs soaking and cleaning to feel

> better- So you say- well you are just soothing the reaction on the

> arm by soaking and washing. But no- my now clean arm will react

> again if I put the same shirt on I had before without soaking it for

> 12 hrs. These baffling reactions lead those of us with these

> problems to loose friends if we discuss these things in public- Why

> not - I would think I was crazy if not for this web site. hope any

> of this helps- how are you feeling?

>

> >

> > I'm wondering what people's experience with this issue is:

> >

> > If you bring something that is cross contaminated, or originally

> contaminated, into a clean house, and then you remove it, will the

> items that were next to it now be contaminated? Will the air carry

> mycotoxins?

> >

> > I have a box of papers and journals stored in my parent's garage,

> and it's almost too sealed - everything is in ziplocs, hefty bags,

> etc. She's opened it a few times outside to let it air. Recently

> she sent me blankets that were in the same garage and I'm afraid of

> them...although I need blankets (the organic ones I just bought

> cause reactions, as I have MCS).

> >

> > Anyway, it got me to thinking about a few other things, like a

> dutch oven and silverware that I salvaged, but feel like I react to,

> which are at my boyfriend's house, and a rocking chair at another

> friend's house. Are these things cross contaminating their houses?

> I know it's a big question with no easy answer, but often other's

> experience helps.

> >

> > BTW - if anyone has NOT read Mold Warriors, all I can say is I

> wish to god I'd gone to him when i first got sick. I've made every

> mistake in the book. I also wish I could convince my doc here to

> follow the protocol...oh well...

> >

> > Jill

> >

> > " Never doubt that a small group of people

> > can change the world-indeed it is the only

> > thing that ever has. "

> > Margaret Mead

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> --- In , " carondeen "

> hi Jill karen and sick buildings group I am new to this board.

> I am also very confused about crosscontamination.my family of six

> very ill from mycotoxicosis. We tried to remediate our

house " major

> mistake " .We had no idea about the dangers of mold and disturbing

its

> breeding ground.When my husanbd tore out the wall behind shower in

> bathroom we had to leave our house next day. I had been sick " in

> bed " for approx year and half before he found mold. Husband and

kids

> sick too but not like me. Bird died and dog sick too. we left and

> crosscontaimanated every rental house we went too. we

> crosscontaminated our camper and our van had leak in it full of

> mycotoxins too.They repoed the van and camper. My aunt took care

of

> my dog he went straight from my house " full of mycotoxins " to the

> vet and then too my aunts house. I now react at the vet and my

aunts

> house. The sad thing is that My aunt and uncle are now sick and I

> can't make her belive it's from her house. If I spend over an

hour

> there my mind goes blank and vision gets blurry and I get

> nausea " metal taste in my mouth " start vomiting.We even

> crosscontaimnated motel we lived in for two monthes with " my paper

> work and lab reports from my doc " . Now we are living in a rental

> house with nothing " only air matressess " . I am scared to bring

> anything in house. The house is old and I can tell that its moldy

> but I don't react like I do to my possessions. What is the

> difference?Some places I go My eyes just feel funny but other

places

> make me feel like " brain fog " eyes swell turn bluish and suffer

from

> major neurological problems then I gag. WE are going to see

> Sheomaker as soon as he can get us in.We are burning our house

> down " we give up on remediation " .The sad thing is that I tried to

> tell the people who repoed my car and all my furniture that " it

was

> full of mtcotoxins " but they would not listen. I feel sorry for

the

> whoever buys my stuff. thanks cm.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Jill, dealing with all this myself now for a year, and going

to

> > be moving again in a month and a half. I did cross contaminate

my

> > rental, and moved the stuff out after about 4 weeks- and more

> stuff

> > in 8 week and a last chair after a few months- so now I cant sit

> in

> > the livingroom at all- even though all the stuff was washed

> several

> > time and things washed- walls, rug covered with plastic- but it

is

> > better now than when the stuff was there- I did cross

contaminate

> my

> > monitor- which sat where something else was- and some of my work

> > area- , so my experience was yes- cross contaminaton was bad- I

> have

> > art work stored at alot of friends garages and houses- none of

> them

> > has reported the least bit of problem with it- although when I

> visit

> > my one friends ,I cannot go within 20 feet of her garage, with

> allot

> > of my paintings in there. I installed a de-humidafyer in her

> garage

> > to keep the paintings dry- and will be moving them next momth to

> my

> > de-contamination shed-

> > My curiosity at first was- I am sitting 10 feet from a cross

> > contaminated area- and it burns my arm that is on that side- so

is

> > this just a reaction my arm is having to the toxin " over there "

or

> > is the toxin actually coming across the room to attatch to my

arm?

> > If my arm was just reacting to the toxin that is radiating but

not

> > moving from its place- then my arm should feel better just by

> being

> > away from the area- but no- it needs soaking and cleaning to

feel

> > better- So you say- well you are just soothing the reaction on

the

> > arm by soaking and washing. But no- my now clean arm will react

> > again if I put the same shirt on I had before without soaking it

> for

> > 12 hrs. These baffling reactions lead those of us with these

> > problems to loose friends if we discuss these things in public-

> Why

> > not - I would think I was crazy if not for this web site. hope

any

> > of this helps- how are you feeling?

> >

> > >

> > > I'm wondering what people's experience with this issue is:

> > >

> > > If you bring something that is cross contaminated, or

originally

> > contaminated, into a clean house, and then you remove it, will

the

> > items that were next to it now be contaminated? Will the air

> carry

> > mycotoxins?

> > >

> > > I have a box of papers and journals stored in my parent's

> garage,

> > and it's almost too sealed - everything is in ziplocs, hefty

bags,

> > etc. She's opened it a few times outside to let it air.

> Recently

> > she sent me blankets that were in the same garage and I'm afraid

> of

> > them...although I need blankets (the organic ones I just bought

> > cause reactions, as I have MCS).

> > >

> > > Anyway, it got me to thinking about a few other things, like a

> > dutch oven and silverware that I salvaged, but feel like I react

> to,

> > which are at my boyfriend's house, and a rocking chair at

another

> > friend's house. Are these things cross contaminating their

> houses?

> > I know it's a big question with no easy answer, but often

other's

> > experience helps.

> > >

> > > BTW - if anyone has NOT read Mold Warriors, all I can say is I

> > wish to god I'd gone to him when i first got sick. I've made

> every

> > mistake in the book. I also wish I could convince my doc here

to

> > follow the protocol...oh well...

> > >

> > > Jill

> > >

> > > " Never doubt that a small group of people

> > > can change the world-indeed it is the only

> > > thing that ever has. "

> > > Margaret Mead

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

>

> --- In , " carondeen "

> hi Jill karen and sick buildings group I am new to this board.

> I am also very confused about crosscontamination.my family of six

> very ill from mycotoxicosis. We tried to remediate our

house " major

> mistake " .We had no idea about the dangers of mold and disturbing

its

> breeding ground.When my husanbd tore out the wall behind shower in

> bathroom we had to leave our house next day. I had been sick " in

> bed " for approx year and half before he found mold. Husband and

kids

> sick too but not like me. Bird died and dog sick too. we left and

> crosscontaimanated every rental house we went too. we

> crosscontaminated our camper and our van had leak in it full of

> mycotoxins too.They repoed the van and camper. My aunt took care

of

> my dog he went straight from my house " full of mycotoxins " to the

> vet and then too my aunts house. I now react at the vet and my

aunts

> house. The sad thing is that My aunt and uncle are now sick and I

> can't make her belive it's from her house. If I spend over an

hour

> there my mind goes blank and vision gets blurry and I get

> nausea " metal taste in my mouth " start vomiting.We even

> crosscontaimnated motel we lived in for two monthes with " my paper

> work and lab reports from my doc " . Now we are living in a rental

> house with nothing " only air matressess " . I am scared to bring

> anything in house. The house is old and I can tell that its moldy

> but I don't react like I do to my possessions. What is the

> difference?Some places I go My eyes just feel funny but other

places

> make me feel like " brain fog " eyes swell turn bluish and suffer

from

> major neurological problems then I gag. WE are going to see

> Sheomaker as soon as he can get us in.We are burning our house

> down " we give up on remediation " .The sad thing is that I tried to

> tell the people who repoed my car and all my furniture that " it

was

> full of mtcotoxins " but they would not listen. I feel sorry for

the

> whoever buys my stuff. thanks cm.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Jill, dealing with all this myself now for a year, and going

to

> > be moving again in a month and a half. I did cross contaminate

my

> > rental, and moved the stuff out after about 4 weeks- and more

> stuff

> > in 8 week and a last chair after a few months- so now I cant sit

> in

> > the livingroom at all- even though all the stuff was washed

> several

> > time and things washed- walls, rug covered with plastic- but it

is

> > better now than when the stuff was there- I did cross

contaminate

> my

> > monitor- which sat where something else was- and some of my work

> > area- , so my experience was yes- cross contaminaton was bad- I

> have

> > art work stored at alot of friends garages and houses- none of

> them

> > has reported the least bit of problem with it- although when I

> visit

> > my one friends ,I cannot go within 20 feet of her garage, with

> allot

> > of my paintings in there. I installed a de-humidafyer in her

> garage

> > to keep the paintings dry- and will be moving them next momth to

> my

> > de-contamination shed-

> > My curiosity at first was- I am sitting 10 feet from a cross

> > contaminated area- and it burns my arm that is on that side- so

is

> > this just a reaction my arm is having to the toxin " over there "

or

> > is the toxin actually coming across the room to attatch to my

arm?

> > If my arm was just reacting to the toxin that is radiating but

not

> > moving from its place- then my arm should feel better just by

> being

> > away from the area- but no- it needs soaking and cleaning to

feel

> > better- So you say- well you are just soothing the reaction on

the

> > arm by soaking and washing. But no- my now clean arm will react

> > again if I put the same shirt on I had before without soaking it

> for

> > 12 hrs. These baffling reactions lead those of us with these

> > problems to loose friends if we discuss these things in public-

> Why

> > not - I would think I was crazy if not for this web site. hope

any

> > of this helps- how are you feeling?

> >

> > >

> > > I'm wondering what people's experience with this issue is:

> > >

> > > If you bring something that is cross contaminated, or

originally

> > contaminated, into a clean house, and then you remove it, will

the

> > items that were next to it now be contaminated? Will the air

> carry

> > mycotoxins?

> > >

> > > I have a box of papers and journals stored in my parent's

> garage,

> > and it's almost too sealed - everything is in ziplocs, hefty

bags,

> > etc. She's opened it a few times outside to let it air.

> Recently

> > she sent me blankets that were in the same garage and I'm afraid

> of

> > them...although I need blankets (the organic ones I just bought

> > cause reactions, as I have MCS).

> > >

> > > Anyway, it got me to thinking about a few other things, like a

> > dutch oven and silverware that I salvaged, but feel like I react

> to,

> > which are at my boyfriend's house, and a rocking chair at

another

> > friend's house. Are these things cross contaminating their

> houses?

> > I know it's a big question with no easy answer, but often

other's

> > experience helps.

> > >

> > > BTW - if anyone has NOT read Mold Warriors, all I can say is I

> > wish to god I'd gone to him when i first got sick. I've made

> every

> > mistake in the book. I also wish I could convince my doc here

to

> > follow the protocol...oh well...

> > >

> > > Jill

> > >

> > > " Never doubt that a small group of people

> > > can change the world-indeed it is the only

> > > thing that ever has. "

> > > Margaret Mead

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The sun should be your friend. For blankets (which allow some light to

shine through) I suspect that a few hours of strong sunlight would

kill most mold *spores*.

The items in the bags are a different story. Paper can be a medium for

mold growth, and items that were in your old home probably still has

some mycotoxins in/on them.

Its your call. Serious vaccumming and sunlight might do for some. How

well maintained is your new home? There is mold inb the air

everywhere, but it doesnt grow unless the high relative humidity and

appropriate growing medium is there for it.

An older building that is well-maintained shouldnt be a problem.

Bringing a bunch of stuff from your old place into one that is not is

asking for trouble. But the most important factor is the moisture, not

the tiny number of spores that might make it through the transition if

you are careful. I bet you a lot of the people who are thinking that

they had cross contamination actually moved from one moldy place into

another, they just don't realize it.

When there are water leaks, they have to be fixed very quickly or mold

grows. Thats what the authorities say, and its true. And once toxic

mold contaminates a building with mycotoxins, even if the water source

is fixed, the building can be bone dry for years and still have a

toxicity problem. A lot of people live in homes that have had mold and

it was painted over, and they get sick. It is a mystery until they

find the spots where the mold was painted over. At that point, its

usually 'dead', but it still gets out into their home and does damage

to them.

[Guest guest]

I vote to toss the blankets- you can cheaply replace them, having

something so close to your body and face that is not totally clean

would be a negative event for me.

>

> The sun should be your friend. For blankets (which allow some

light to

> shine through) I suspect that a few hours of strong sunlight would

> kill most mold *spores*.

>

> The items in the bags are a different story. Paper can be a medium

for

> mold growth, and items that were in your old home probably still

has

> some mycotoxins in/on them.

>

> Its your call. Serious vaccumming and sunlight might do for some.

How

> well maintained is your new home? There is mold inb the air

> everywhere, but it doesnt grow unless the high relative humidity

and

> appropriate growing medium is there for it.

>

> An older building that is well-maintained shouldnt be a problem.

> Bringing a bunch of stuff from your old place into one that is not

is

> asking for trouble. But the most important factor is the moisture,

not

> the tiny number of spores that might make it through the

transition if

> you are careful. I bet you a lot of the people who are thinking

that

> they had cross contamination actually moved from one moldy place

into

> another, they just don't realize it.

>

> When there are water leaks, they have to be fixed very quickly or

mold

> grows. Thats what the authorities say, and its true. And once toxic

> mold contaminates a building with mycotoxins, even if the water

source

> is fixed, the building can be bone dry for years and still have a

> toxicity problem. A lot of people live in homes that have had mold

and

> it was painted over, and they get sick. It is a mystery until they

> find the spots where the mold was painted over. At that point, its

> usually 'dead', but it still gets out into their home and does

damage

> to them.

>