Re: Cleaning up the mold / Proof of Oslerism

[Guest guest]

" carondeen " < wrote:

> Loni-untill I got better, I would be sick for 3 days after

cleaning- and this with a hepa vacumn- <

" It's also difficult, as a practicing family physician, not to

respond to these descriptions of searing sensitivity to bright

lights (and especially to blue tones), along with the harrowing

reports of nightmares full of death, blood and dismemberment. And

what about the patients who complain so often of two-day bouts of

exhaustion - merely after completing such simple chores as vacuuming

the living room rug? "

-Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, Desperation Medicine page 236.

I've been using the 'associative responses' of what I called " The

Shrieking Dream Response " and " Vacuum Exacerbation effect " as clues

to mycotoxin exposures. After reading this paragraph, I contacted

Dr Shoemaker and asked him if he knew the specific reason for the

common complaint of " exhaustion after vacuuming " that so many people

have noticed, or if he had included this in Desperation Medicine

simply because of the importance that patients attached to this

phenomenon.

Dr Shoemaker replied that his attention was drawn to vacuuming

because of the frequency of patients complaints but that he didn't

know why, and speculated that perhaps it was because of the physical

effort involved in vacuuming.

Dr Shoemaker observed this complaint and put emphasis on it because

of the importance that PATIENTS put on it.

ALL OTHER doctors dismissed this phenomenon because they couldn't

understand the reason - and were not willing to look.

I explained that vacuuming causes a massive " mycotoxin release "

which is so strangely devastating to mold responders that patients

take a special notice of the peculiar LACK of correlation between

the degree of effort expended and the horrific aftermath of this

particular activity.

This is PROOF to me that Dr Shoemaker is the ONLY doctor I have

contacted out of many hundreds who LISTENS to patients and is

willing to LEARN from them in the manner of Sir Osler.

Dr Shoemaker demonstrated his professionalism and dedication to

sufferers by being willing to research such subtleties, only because

they " don't fit the model " and because of their importance to

patients.

Many doctors claim to be adherents of Sir Osler,

but Dr Shoemaker is the only one who proved it.

-

[Guest guest]

,

I agree with what you and Dr.Shoemaker are saying as far as the

effects from vacuuming. But I didn't put it to the disturbance of

these allergens, dust,mold, whichever. I made the connection more to

her sweating and raising the blood pressure that would cause many of

her symptoms to flair up and sometimes put her in bed for several

days. Upon sweating releasing these toxins into the bloodstream,

which is my theory. Because this occurance has happened with other

mild type of exerise. Not within the home. So I'm not 100%

convienced that the answer is always the disturbance of these

particles and can be at times internal disturbances.

KC

> > Loni-untill I got better, I would be sick for 3 days after

> cleaning- and this with a hepa vacumn- <

>

> " It's also difficult, as a practicing family physician, not to

> respond to these descriptions of searing sensitivity to bright

> lights (and especially to blue tones), along with the harrowing

> reports of nightmares full of death, blood and dismemberment. And

> what about the patients who complain so often of two-day bouts of

> exhaustion - merely after completing such simple chores as

vacuuming

> the living room rug? "

> -Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, Desperation Medicine page 236.

>

> I've been using the 'associative responses' of what I

called " The

> Shrieking Dream Response " and " Vacuum Exacerbation effect " as

clues

> to mycotoxin exposures. After reading this paragraph, I contacted

> Dr Shoemaker and asked him if he knew the specific reason for the

> common complaint of " exhaustion after vacuuming " that so many

people

> have noticed, or if he had included this in Desperation Medicine

> simply because of the importance that patients attached to this

> phenomenon.

> Dr Shoemaker replied that his attention was drawn to vacuuming

> because of the frequency of patients complaints but that he didn't

> know why, and speculated that perhaps it was because of the

physical

> effort involved in vacuuming.

> Dr Shoemaker observed this complaint and put emphasis on it

because

> of the importance that PATIENTS put on it.

> ALL OTHER doctors dismissed this phenomenon because they couldn't

> understand the reason - and were not willing to look.

> I explained that vacuuming causes a massive " mycotoxin release "

> which is so strangely devastating to mold responders that patients

> take a special notice of the peculiar LACK of correlation between

> the degree of effort expended and the horrific aftermath of this

> particular activity.

> This is PROOF to me that Dr Shoemaker is the ONLY doctor I have

> contacted out of many hundreds who LISTENS to patients and is

> willing to LEARN from them in the manner of Sir Osler.

> Dr Shoemaker demonstrated his professionalism and dedication to

> sufferers by being willing to research such subtleties, only

because

> they " don't fit the model " and because of their importance to

> patients.

> Many doctors claim to be adherents of Sir Osler,

> but Dr Shoemaker is the only one who proved it.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

For my part, I know it was the disturbance of particles, because I

was too sick to clean myself, and had a cleaning lady- I solved the

problem by making cleaning day my day to go to the beach, and came

back very late- it still bothered me untill I asked for the no dry

dusting rule. also my car was vacumned, by someone else- And I could

not drive it for almost a week.

>

> ,

>

> I agree with what you and Dr.Shoemaker are saying as far as the

> effects from vacuuming. But I didn't put it to the disturbance of

> these allergens, dust,mold, whichever. I made the connection more

to

> her sweating and raising the blood pressure that would cause many

of

> her symptoms to flair up and sometimes put her in bed for several

> days. Upon sweating releasing these toxins into the bloodstream,

> which is my theory. Because this occurance has happened with other

> mild type of exerise. Not within the home. So I'm not 100%

> convienced that the answer is always the disturbance of these

> particles and can be at times internal disturbances.

>

> KC

>

>

> > > Loni-untill I got better, I would be sick for 3 days after

> > cleaning- and this with a hepa vacumn- <

> >

> > " It's also difficult, as a practicing family physician, not to

> > respond to these descriptions of searing sensitivity to bright

> > lights (and especially to blue tones), along with the harrowing

> > reports of nightmares full of death, blood and dismemberment.

And

> > what about the patients who complain so often of two-day bouts

of

> > exhaustion - merely after completing such simple chores as

> vacuuming

> > the living room rug? "

> > -Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, Desperation Medicine page 236.

> >

> > I've been using the 'associative responses' of what I

> called " The

> > Shrieking Dream Response " and " Vacuum Exacerbation effect " as

> clues

> > to mycotoxin exposures. After reading this paragraph, I

contacted

> > Dr Shoemaker and asked him if he knew the specific reason for

the

> > common complaint of " exhaustion after vacuuming " that so many

> people

> > have noticed, or if he had included this in Desperation Medicine

> > simply because of the importance that patients attached to this

> > phenomenon.

> > Dr Shoemaker replied that his attention was drawn to vacuuming

> > because of the frequency of patients complaints but that he

didn't

> > know why, and speculated that perhaps it was because of the

> physical

> > effort involved in vacuuming.

> > Dr Shoemaker observed this complaint and put emphasis on it

> because

> > of the importance that PATIENTS put on it.

> > ALL OTHER doctors dismissed this phenomenon because they

couldn't

> > understand the reason - and were not willing to look.

> > I explained that vacuuming causes a massive " mycotoxin release "

> > which is so strangely devastating to mold responders that

patients

> > take a special notice of the peculiar LACK of correlation

between

> > the degree of effort expended and the horrific aftermath of this

> > particular activity.

> > This is PROOF to me that Dr Shoemaker is the ONLY doctor I have

> > contacted out of many hundreds who LISTENS to patients and is

> > willing to LEARN from them in the manner of Sir Osler.

> > Dr Shoemaker demonstrated his professionalism and dedication to

> > sufferers by being willing to research such subtleties, only

> because

> > they " don't fit the model " and because of their importance to

> > patients.

> > Many doctors claim to be adherents of Sir Osler,

> > but Dr Shoemaker is the only one who proved it.

> > -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I also have a problem with sweating at times. I don't know if this would help

you wife, but

it is helpful for me, if I take a hot bath with salt to help draw the toxins out

into the water,

then I scrub down with a brush and more salt, and rinse off in the shower. My

sweat can

contain some very bad toxins that become reabsorbed into my skin and make me

feel

horrible. But if I can get them off in the bath, it seems to really help.

I have heard that we can get sick from the toxins draining from the lymph into

the gut,

where they become re-absorbed into the system, and by sweating it gets the

toxins out a

different way than through the liver and lymph system. I get sick from having

sweat that

doesn't get washed off soon enough. I don't know if this is helpful, but I

thought I would

mention it.

kathryn

> > > Loni-untill I got better, I would be sick for 3 days after

> > cleaning- and this with a hepa vacumn- <

> >

> > " It's also difficult, as a practicing family physician, not to

> > respond to these descriptions of searing sensitivity to bright

> > lights (and especially to blue tones), along with the harrowing

> > reports of nightmares full of death, blood and dismemberment. And

> > what about the patients who complain so often of two-day bouts of

> > exhaustion - merely after completing such simple chores as

> vacuuming

> > the living room rug? "

> > -Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, Desperation Medicine page 236.

> >

> > I've been using the 'associative responses' of what I

> called " The

> > Shrieking Dream Response " and " Vacuum Exacerbation effect " as

> clues

> > to mycotoxin exposures. After reading this paragraph, I contacted

> > Dr Shoemaker and asked him if he knew the specific reason for the

> > common complaint of " exhaustion after vacuuming " that so many

> people

> > have noticed, or if he had included this in Desperation Medicine

> > simply because of the importance that patients attached to this

> > phenomenon.

> > Dr Shoemaker replied that his attention was drawn to vacuuming

> > because of the frequency of patients complaints but that he didn't

> > know why, and speculated that perhaps it was because of the

> physical

> > effort involved in vacuuming.

> > Dr Shoemaker observed this complaint and put emphasis on it

> because

> > of the importance that PATIENTS put on it.

> > ALL OTHER doctors dismissed this phenomenon because they couldn't

> > understand the reason - and were not willing to look.

> > I explained that vacuuming causes a massive " mycotoxin release "

> > which is so strangely devastating to mold responders that patients

> > take a special notice of the peculiar LACK of correlation between

> > the degree of effort expended and the horrific aftermath of this

> > particular activity.

> > This is PROOF to me that Dr Shoemaker is the ONLY doctor I have

> > contacted out of many hundreds who LISTENS to patients and is

> > willing to LEARN from them in the manner of Sir Osler.

> > Dr Shoemaker demonstrated his professionalism and dedication to

> > sufferers by being willing to research such subtleties, only

> because

> > they " don't fit the model " and because of their importance to

> > patients.

> > Many doctors claim to be adherents of Sir Osler,

> > but Dr Shoemaker is the only one who proved it.

> > -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

She has a difficult time taking a hot bath, especially long enough

ones to do any good. I know a lot of sweating would help and then a

whirlpool would be great afterwards to rinse the toxins off the

skin. But normally when this sweating occurs the fibro, the

headaches and all the other aches and pains flare up, severe

fatigue.She gets very dizzy and sick to her stomach. After that

comes days of bed rest. I believe the reasoning behind this reaction

are the toxins being released from the fatty tissue into the

bloodstream, but it is the severity of the symptoms afterwards that

concerns me. Then the night sweats are constant, which for her is

totally different and their effects.

I do believe strongly that saunas and whirlpools are a big part of

the detox regiment. It would be nice if insurance would pay for this

equipment. If they only understood the severity of reactions

immediately after for those that have been exposed to environmental

toxins.(mold or chemical) If you don't sweat enough to really

excrete these toxins, then many stay within the bloodstream and do

more harm. Kindof a catch 22 isn't it?!

I'm sure exercise is very important also, but I really don't see how

it is possible for many of you without experiencing severe relapse.

This would come after months of detoxing by sauna's, whirlpools,

along CSM, Diet, etc. where you will not feel the extreme effects,

hopefully by this time you will be able to exercise without fear of

a flareup.

KC

> > > > Loni-untill I got better, I would be sick for 3 days after

> > > cleaning- and this with a hepa vacumn- <

> > >

> > > " It's also difficult, as a practicing family physician, not to

> > > respond to these descriptions of searing sensitivity to bright

> > > lights (and especially to blue tones), along with the

harrowing

> > > reports of nightmares full of death, blood and dismemberment.

And

> > > what about the patients who complain so often of two-day bouts

of

> > > exhaustion - merely after completing such simple chores as

> > vacuuming

> > > the living room rug? "

> > > -Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, Desperation Medicine page 236.

> > >

> > > I've been using the 'associative responses' of what I

> > called " The

> > > Shrieking Dream Response " and " Vacuum Exacerbation effect " as

> > clues

> > > to mycotoxin exposures. After reading this paragraph, I

contacted

> > > Dr Shoemaker and asked him if he knew the specific reason for

the

> > > common complaint of " exhaustion after vacuuming " that so many

> > people

> > > have noticed, or if he had included this in Desperation

Medicine

> > > simply because of the importance that patients attached to

this

> > > phenomenon.

> > > Dr Shoemaker replied that his attention was drawn to vacuuming

> > > because of the frequency of patients complaints but that he

didn't

> > > know why, and speculated that perhaps it was because of the

> > physical

> > > effort involved in vacuuming.

> > > Dr Shoemaker observed this complaint and put emphasis on it

> > because

> > > of the importance that PATIENTS put on it.

> > > ALL OTHER doctors dismissed this phenomenon because they

couldn't

> > > understand the reason - and were not willing to look.

> > > I explained that vacuuming causes a massive " mycotoxin

release "

> > > which is so strangely devastating to mold responders that

patients

> > > take a special notice of the peculiar LACK of correlation

between

> > > the degree of effort expended and the horrific aftermath of

this

> > > particular activity.

> > > This is PROOF to me that Dr Shoemaker is the ONLY doctor I

have

> > > contacted out of many hundreds who LISTENS to patients and is

> > > willing to LEARN from them in the manner of Sir Osler.

> > > Dr Shoemaker demonstrated his professionalism and dedication

to

> > > sufferers by being willing to research such subtleties, only

> > because

> > > they " don't fit the model " and because of their importance to

> > > patients.

> > > Many doctors claim to be adherents of Sir Osler,

> > > but Dr Shoemaker is the only one who proved it.

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, my sympathies. Maybe she is sweating enough at night? But a crucial thing

for me is

to get the sweat off my body asap, when ever it happens. Sometimes I just grab a

hand

towel out of the closet to mop myself up. I like to wear cotton next to my skin,

because it

absorbs well.

I have some of these symptoms too. Some other ladies use a tepid bath, and say

that

pouring the water over rinses the toxins off beore they get a chance to

re-absorb into the

skin. Lots of us don't do well with hot water, but they say the baths help

anyway.

I have a hard time with exercise too. I just have a regular bathtub, but it is

an old large

one. Not a whirlpool, or anything fancy.

The detoxing is pretty bad. People have said that the CSM can really help with

that, esp for

the toxins that get into the gut. The Candida people really go for the theory of

" keeping

the bowel moving " to combat that. I have not done either one. But I do the

baths, cause

they help, and lay around alot when I need to. I thought the detox was through

the skin, or

the liver dumps it into the intestines. I guess you could absorb through the

skin and into

the bloodstream. I think someof my toxins come from the fungal infections I

battle.

Yes, it seems like a catch 22, it will be nice when we are all better.

> > > > > Loni-untill I got better, I would be sick for 3 days after

> > > > cleaning- and this with a hepa vacumn- <

> > > >

> > > > " It's also difficult, as a practicing family physician, not to

> > > > respond to these descriptions of searing sensitivity to bright

> > > > lights (and especially to blue tones), along with the

> harrowing

> > > > reports of nightmares full of death, blood and dismemberment.

> And

> > > > what about the patients who complain so often of two-day bouts

> of

> > > > exhaustion - merely after completing such simple chores as

> > > vacuuming

> > > > the living room rug? "

> > > > -Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, Desperation Medicine page 236.

> > > >

> > > > I've been using the 'associative responses' of what I

> > > called " The

> > > > Shrieking Dream Response " and " Vacuum Exacerbation effect " as

> > > clues

> > > > to mycotoxin exposures. After reading this paragraph, I

> contacted

> > > > Dr Shoemaker and asked him if he knew the specific reason for

> the

> > > > common complaint of " exhaustion after vacuuming " that so many

> > > people

> > > > have noticed, or if he had included this in Desperation

> Medicine

> > > > simply because of the importance that patients attached to

> this

> > > > phenomenon.

> > > > Dr Shoemaker replied that his attention was drawn to vacuuming

> > > > because of the frequency of patients complaints but that he

> didn't

> > > > know why, and speculated that perhaps it was because of the

> > > physical

> > > > effort involved in vacuuming.

> > > > Dr Shoemaker observed this complaint and put emphasis on it

> > > because

> > > > of the importance that PATIENTS put on it.

> > > > ALL OTHER doctors dismissed this phenomenon because they

> couldn't

> > > > understand the reason - and were not willing to look.

> > > > I explained that vacuuming causes a massive " mycotoxin

> release "

> > > > which is so strangely devastating to mold responders that

> patients

> > > > take a special notice of the peculiar LACK of correlation

> between

> > > > the degree of effort expended and the horrific aftermath of

> this

> > > > particular activity.

> > > > This is PROOF to me that Dr Shoemaker is the ONLY doctor I

> have

> > > > contacted out of many hundreds who LISTENS to patients and is

> > > > willing to LEARN from them in the manner of Sir Osler.

> > > > Dr Shoemaker demonstrated his professionalism and dedication

> to

> > > > sufferers by being willing to research such subtleties, only

> > > because

> > > > they " don't fit the model " and because of their importance to

> > > > patients.

> > > > Many doctors claim to be adherents of Sir Osler,

> > > > but Dr Shoemaker is the only one who proved it.

> > > > -

> > > >

> > >

> >

>