Re: Only people with HIV/Aids can have compromised immune sys...

November 17, 2005

In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:07:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

msheeh02@... writes:

If anyone has any thoughts on what the doctor said, please respond.

Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not have

HIV/AIDS? I think people can!!

SW

Of course they can. It is even acknowledged in the new CDC Mold/2005 Report.

Did you know when the IOM did their supposedly comprehensive study of mold

induced illnesses, the charge of the committee was to study the

" non-infectious " illnesses caused by molds.

November 17, 2005

In a message dated 11/17/2005 4:26:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

grimes@... writes:

,

1. >He said that he is going to write in his

> report that my illness (IBS) has apparently resolved itself after

> leaving the workplace.

So this medical professional and scientist would rather believe in

magic than believe you? And he will even put it in writing? He's a

brave man.

I believe because I had it happen to me 2 years ago. I switched to a

large HMO for insurance reasons and that is exactly what they told

me. I refused to take an HIV test and they categorized me as

uncooperative. Not only did they not believe me but they didn't

believe 18 years of medical records showing my recovery based on the

use of anti-fungal Rx and diet to control candidiasis. They even

wrote in my medical records to never put me back on the antifungals.

I left so fast all they saw was a streak out the door. It cost me

extra until my contract expired but my functioning was more

important.

2. > Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not

have > HIV/AIDS? I think people can!! SW

Certainly, at least in the digestive tract, which is what candidiasis

or candidae is. Orin Truss and Crook wrote extensively about

this since the 50s. (Google their names). And there is some evidence,

from Japan I believe, that found the candidae yeast in the blood

stream of some severely affected people. But I don't know if it was

merely present or if it was growing and reproducing.

Couple of clarifications. Although yeast in general and candidae

specifically can be found in the environment, especially in damp

indoor spaces, the fungal infection in the gut is rarely caused by

external exposure. Candidae is already naturally in the gut of

everyone and is a critical part of the natural symbiotic balance of

the microflora. That is why the medical opinion used to be that it

wasn't harmful because everybody had it. They didn't consider

overgrowth.

When HIV hit and AIDS victims began developing candidiasis, then they

suddenly considered it life threathening, because the overgrowth of

it was killing people. So now they say if you have it then you must

also have HIV. Thus their insistence that I take an HIV test. Really

scientific and logical thinking! :-)

There is a difference between presence and infection. The human gut

has a huge complexity of enzymes, bacteria, yeast and other stuff

that are in balance. None dominates the other. But if the balance of

the gut is shifted for whatever reason so that bacteria proliferate

they call that a bacterial infection and they treat it with an

antibiotic. However, if the balance is shifted for whatever reason -

but often because of the overuse of antibiotics - so that the yeast

proliferate, then that is a yeast infection and they should give you

an antimycotic. Most docs usually don't recognize it and give you

more antibiotics instead. You feel better because they do suppress

the yeast. Until you stop taking them and then the yeast grows even

more. Same thing happened with chronic sinusitis until Mayo

discovered it was really fungal. No they prescribe antimycotics

instead of antibiotics.

Does some of this sound familiar? It's very similar mold in the

environment. If the environmental conditions are shifted for any

reason, but usually by moisture, so that mold will proliferate (mold

growth) then the house has a mold " infection. " But killing it isn't

enough because mold on the outside of the body acts differently than

mold on the inside of the body. And the body to it. So you have to

remove all of it, dead or alive, plus the other components such as

glucans, mycotoxins, etc.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

I, too, was asked to take an HIV?AIDS test. Which I did. Quite embarassing

to even be asked! I have been married for 22 years to the same man. Good

thing it came back negative, or I would now probably be a widow...behind bars!

There are a large number of people who test negative for HIV, yet are

diagnosed with AIDS. Which, when you think about is an acquired immune

deficiency

of some sort. I have often wondered how many people have been given the

diagnosis of AIDS that actually have a systemic fungal condition.

How many of us have been tested for AIDS?

Sharon

November 18, 2005

Regarding AIDS tests, my doctor tested me for AIDS and syphillis, but she

refused to do Dr. Shoemaker's testing. I only agreed to the syphillis test

because I heard it can cause severe brain damage. Of course, both were negative

so now she is stumped.

November 18, 2005

Mold exposure itself can compromise immunity. You'll need to convince your docs

about that.

-Haley

Kim <kimallen@...> wrote:

Regarding AIDS tests, my doctor tested me for AIDS and syphillis, but she

refused to do Dr. Shoemaker's testing. I only agreed to the syphillis test

because I heard it can cause severe brain damage. Of course, both were negative

so now she is stumped.

November 18, 2005

Now she is stumpted? Drs don't have more than 30 seconds to make a

diagnosis. When I told my Dr what I thought all my problems were, she

jumped all over it and congratulated me on my persistence. They can't

do Shoemakers tests there, but she wanted to refer me to him- she

sends allot of people to him in the past , befor he got so locked up-

but she does not have enough time talking to people to make a good

diagnosis. The time factor is an issue with all GPs , who should be

the ones getting educated to recognise mold illness

>

> Regarding AIDS tests, my doctor tested me for AIDS and syphillis,

but she refused to do Dr. Shoemaker's testing. I only agreed to the

syphillis test because I heard it can cause severe brain damage. Of

course, both were negative so now she is stumped.

>

November 18, 2005

Until I can get to Dr. Shoemaker, I gave up wasting my time and money on

doctors. I saw 13 doctors last year and every one of them offered me a

psychiatric drug. I happened to have a high cholesterol level so I begged for

cholestyramine and one was so amused at my persistence that she gave me the

prescription. I'm afraid she will cut me off from CSM once my levels are lower.

She refused to do Dr. Shoemaker's tests because she didn't know what they were.

I told her that the labs and/or Dr. Shoemaker could explain it to her but she

still refused.

Another strange issue is that the docs are trying to force birth control on

me, even though I'm over 30 and I smoke, but not condoms. I don't even have a

boyfriend. I guess they don't care if I get AIDS, but are trying hard to make

sure that a crazy person like me does not reproduce! :-)

November 18, 2005

Yes you can....so far I am living proof of it. I have fungi all throughout my

body found by having a Cat Scan.

I don't have Aids,HIV,TB,Or any type of Hepatitis. I inhaled Stachybotrys

Mold!!!! Wasn't I lucky.

Marcie

snk1955@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:07:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

msheeh02@... writes:

If anyone has any thoughts on what the doctor said, please respond.

Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not have

HIV/AIDS? I think people can!!

SW

Of course they can. It is even acknowledged in the new CDC Mold/2005 Report.

Did you know when the IOM did their supposedly comprehensive study of mold

induced illnesses, the charge of the committee was to study the

" non-infectious " illnesses caused by molds.

November 18, 2005

how does a CT scan show that, marcie? i mean, what shows up?

thanks,

victoria

Re: [] Only people with HIV/Aids can have compromised

immune sys...

> Yes you can....so far I am living proof of it. I have fungi all throughout

> my body found by having a Cat Scan.

> I don't have Aids,HIV,TB,Or any type of Hepatitis. I inhaled Stachybotrys

> Mold!!!! Wasn't I lucky.

>

> Marcie

>

> snk1955@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:07:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> msheeh02@... writes:

>

> If anyone has any thoughts on what the doctor said, please respond.

> Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not have

> HIV/AIDS? I think people can!!

> SW

>

> Of course they can. It is even acknowledged in the new CDC Mold/2005

> Report.

>

> Did you know when the IOM did their supposedly comprehensive study of mold

> induced illnesses, the charge of the committee was to study the

> " non-infectious " illnesses caused by molds.

>

November 18, 2005

one word answer to this one mary--

AMEN!

victoria

Re: [] Only people with HIV/Aids can have compromised

immune sys...

>

> In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:07:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> msheeh02@... writes:

>

> If anyone has any thoughts on what the doctor said, please respond.

> Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not have

> HIV/AIDS? I think people can!!

> SW

>

> Of course they can. It is even acknowledged in the new CDC Mold/2005

> Report.

>

> Did you know when the IOM did their supposedly comprehensive study of mold

> induced illnesses, the charge of the committee was to study the

> " non-infectious " illnesses caused by molds.

>

November 18, 2005

It shows large white areas in the lungs...looks like different sized irregular

spots. Some are large and some are small. They are in all my body that they

scanned. I have not had my intestinal area checked yet.

( In an x-ray film it's mostly black. Mine looks like someone splattered white

paint all in the black areas.) YUCK! It was so bad, even a regular chest x-ray

picked up the abnormality.

Marcie

<toria@...> wrote:

how does a CT scan show that, marcie? i mean, what shows up?

thanks,

victoria

Re: [] Only people with HIV/Aids can have compromised

immune sys...

> Yes you can....so far I am living proof of it. I have fungi all throughout

> my body found by having a Cat Scan.

> I don't have Aids,HIV,TB,Or any type of Hepatitis. I inhaled Stachybotrys

> Mold!!!! Wasn't I lucky.

>

> Marcie

>

> snk1955@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:07:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> msheeh02@... writes:

>

> If anyone has any thoughts on what the doctor said, please respond.

> Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not have

> HIV/AIDS? I think people can!!

> SW

>

> Of course they can. It is even acknowledged in the new CDC Mold/2005

> Report.

>

> Did you know when the IOM did their supposedly comprehensive study of mold

> induced illnesses, the charge of the committee was to study the

> " non-infectious " illnesses caused by molds.

>

November 18, 2005

Kim,

My doctor refused to do the blood test also. His nurse stated that LabCorp did

not do research tests. Even the doc @ Tarrant Co. Infectious Disease refused to

do the test. They are the place I get my IVIG's at. The doctor told me you can

not get sick from mold. He even refused to look at reports from Dr. Rea that

stated that I had myotoxin poisoning. Go figure!! I need that test for WC and to

get what I am entitled to. They made me sick...I did not hunt down a wall with

Stachybotrys and snort the stuff.

Marcie

Kim <kimallen@...> wrote:

Until I can get to Dr. Shoemaker, I gave up wasting my time and money on

doctors. I saw 13 doctors last year and every one of them offered me a

psychiatric drug. I happened to have a high cholesterol level so I begged for

cholestyramine and one was so amused at my persistence that she gave me the

prescription. I'm afraid she will cut me off from CSM once my levels are lower.

She refused to do Dr. Shoemaker's tests because she didn't know what they were.

I told her that the labs and/or Dr. Shoemaker could explain it to her but she

still refused.

Another strange issue is that the docs are trying to force birth control on

me, even though I'm over 30 and I smoke, but not condoms. I don't even have a

boyfriend. I guess they don't care if I get AIDS, but are trying hard to make

sure that a crazy person like me does not reproduce! :-)

November 18, 2005

So what are you going to do about that.Ewwwww! Have you looked into hydrogen

peroxide intravenous therapy? Ozone therapy? Loni

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote: It shows large white areas in the

lungs...looks like different sized irregular spots. Some are large and some are

small. They are in all my body that they scanned. I have not had my intestinal

area checked yet.

( In an x-ray film it's mostly black. Mine looks like someone splattered white

paint all in the black areas.) YUCK! It was so bad, even a regular chest x-ray

picked up the abnormality.

Marcie

<toria@...> wrote:

how does a CT scan show that, marcie? i mean, what shows up?

thanks,

victoria

Re: [] Only people with HIV/Aids can have compromised

immune sys...

> Yes you can....so far I am living proof of it. I have fungi all throughout

> my body found by having a Cat Scan.

> I don't have Aids,HIV,TB,Or any type of Hepatitis. I inhaled Stachybotrys

> Mold!!!! Wasn't I lucky.

>

> Marcie

>

> snk1955@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:07:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> msheeh02@... writes:

>

> If anyone has any thoughts on what the doctor said, please respond.

> Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not have

> HIV/AIDS? I think people can!!

> SW

>

> Of course they can. It is even acknowledged in the new CDC Mold/2005

> Report.

>

> Did you know when the IOM did their supposedly comprehensive study of mold

> induced illnesses, the charge of the committee was to study the

> " non-infectious " illnesses caused by molds.

>

November 18, 2005

Boy I get so steamed up thinking about how these so called scientists are so

worried about

covering their fannies from litigation they have given up on science.

I went to a doctor who told me that no one gets sick from mold. This was before

I knew

ANYTHING about this topic. I went to him because I had had to quit my job due to

environmental reactions of a life threatening sort. He ran some tests and then

diagnosed

me asa hypochondriac! I was in perfect health! I was just thinking myself into

ill health. Of

course, he didn't have the guts to inform me of that diagnosis personally, but

wrote it in a

letter to my therapist; and sent me off to an allergist for testing, when I had

already told

him I refuse to be tested by any ol run of the mill allergist, until I was

convinced it was

going to be worth my while (I got sick from it). The jerk sent me into a

situation that was

toxic to me, and told me everything would be ok!

Sorry for the rant, but don't listen to that jerk, he doesn't know what he is

talking about. If

he put in even 10 minutes on PubMed he would find out much scientific info on

the topic,

which is what I did when learning about it. The info is out there, but they are

too narrow

and closed minded to learn anything new. And don't get me started on the CDC-

they have

abandoned their main mission, which is to protect the public health.

Of course people can and do have systemic fungal infections, and not have AIDS.

I did, and

so have many on this site. Otherwise, why did I get better after the

antifungals? I could eat

again! I was having malnutrition due to malabsorbtion and maldigestion, due to

the

fungus that was causing my IBS. Not to mention the rampant fungal inf in my

sinuses, set

up shop for 15 years before I could get someone to treat it. I am hoping there

is not more

infections elsewhere, but I know people that have had fungally infected tissues

removed

during surgeries from various organs. So it is possible.

>

> In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:07:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> msheeh02@e... writes:

>

> If anyone has any thoughts on what the doctor said, please respond.

> Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not have

> HIV/AIDS? I think people can!!

> SW

>

> Of course they can. It is even acknowledged in the new CDC Mold/2005 Report.

>

> Did you know when the IOM did their supposedly comprehensive study of mold

> induced illnesses, the charge of the committee was to study the

> " non-infectious " illnesses caused by molds.

>

November 18, 2005

Why are you getting the IVIGs? Do you have a documented immune deficiency or

do you/your doctor think the mold exposure caused you to be immunocomprimised?

Since IVIG is only usually given if your body isn't producing enough antibodies

to fight infections, I assume that you've had the testing done for your immune

system? I'm not talking about HIV, but one can also have a rare inheritied

immune deficiency that would make you more susceptible to the infections, but

the mycotoxins affect the immune system also. Also, how do you know that the

infections that you have are caused by the molds and not bacterial? Because

exposure to the molds reduces the body's ability to fight bacterial infections

also.

I'm not questioning your diagnosis, just wonder if you know for sure what it

is you are treating. Any positive cultures from sputum, blood, etc. for either

fungi or bacteria. Of course the IVIG would increase your ability to fight

either. I do emphsize with your situation.

kathyw

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Kim,

My doctor refused to do the blood test also. His nurse stated that LabCorp did

not do research tests. Even the doc @ Tarrant Co. Infectious Disease refused to

do the test. They are the place I get my IVIG's at. The doctor told me you can

not get sick from mold. He even refused to look at reports from Dr. Rea that

stated that I had myotoxin poisoning. Go figure!! I need that test for WC and to

get what I am entitled to. They made me sick...I did not hunt down a wall with

Stachybotrys and snort the stuff.

Marcie

Kim <kimallen@...> wrote:

Until I can get to Dr. Shoemaker, I gave up wasting my time and money on

doctors. I saw 13 doctors last year and every one of them offered me a

psychiatric drug. I happened to have a high cholesterol level so I begged for

cholestyramine and one was so amused at my persistence that she gave me the

prescription. I'm afraid she will cut me off from CSM once my levels are lower.

She refused to do Dr. Shoemaker's tests because she didn't know what they were.

I told her that the labs and/or Dr. Shoemaker could explain it to her but she

still refused.

Another strange issue is that the docs are trying to force birth control on

me, even though I'm over 30 and I smoke, but not condoms. I don't even have a

boyfriend. I guess they don't care if I get AIDS, but are trying hard to make

sure that a crazy person like me does not reproduce! :-)

November 21, 2005

THANKS, MARCIE-- & I HOPE TO GOD YOU GET BETTER SOONEST, TOO!

VICTORIA

Re: [] Only people with HIV/Aids can have

> compromised

> immune sys...

>

>> Yes you can....so far I am living proof of it. I have fungi all

>> throughout

>> my body found by having a Cat Scan.

>> I don't have Aids,HIV,TB,Or any type of Hepatitis. I inhaled

>> Stachybotrys

>> Mold!!!! Wasn't I lucky.

>>

>> Marcie

>>

>> snk1955@... wrote:

>>

>> In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:07:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

>> msheeh02@... writes:

>>

>> If anyone has any thoughts on what the doctor said, please respond.

>> Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not have

>> HIV/AIDS? I think people can!!

>> SW

>>

>> Of course they can. It is even acknowledged in the new CDC Mold/2005

>> Report.

>>

>> Did you know when the IOM did their supposedly comprehensive study of

>> mold

>> induced illnesses, the charge of the committee was to study the

>> " non-infectious " illnesses caused by molds.

>>

November 21, 2005

Nothing right now....I have -0- income. I am still having the IVIG treatments

every 4 weeks to try to bring up my Immune System.

Honestly....I don't know what to do. It is extremely painful!

Marcie

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote:

So what are you going to do about that.Ewwwww! Have you looked into hydrogen

peroxide intravenous therapy? Ozone therapy? Loni

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote: It shows large white areas in the

lungs...looks like different sized irregular spots. Some are large and some are

small. They are in all my body that they scanned. I have not had my intestinal

area checked yet.

( In an x-ray film it's mostly black. Mine looks like someone splattered white

paint all in the black areas.) YUCK! It was so bad, even a regular chest x-ray

picked up the abnormality.

Marcie

<toria@...> wrote:

how does a CT scan show that, marcie? i mean, what shows up?

thanks,

victoria

Re: [] Only people with HIV/Aids can have compromised

immune sys...

> Yes you can....so far I am living proof of it. I have fungi all throughout

> my body found by having a Cat Scan.

> I don't have Aids,HIV,TB,Or any type of Hepatitis. I inhaled Stachybotrys

> Mold!!!! Wasn't I lucky.

>

> Marcie

>

> snk1955@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:07:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> msheeh02@... writes:

>

> If anyone has any thoughts on what the doctor said, please respond.

> Can a person get a fungal infection throughout the body and not have

> HIV/AIDS? I think people can!!

> SW

>

> Of course they can. It is even acknowledged in the new CDC Mold/2005

> Report.

>

> Did you know when the IOM did their supposedly comprehensive study of mold

> induced illnesses, the charge of the committee was to study the

> " non-infectious " illnesses caused by molds.

>

November 21, 2005

Thank goodness I took the mold samples and photos @ work to prove it and I have

a copy of the test results. But I am still having problems also, so don't give

up.

There are good doctors out there somewhere.

Take care,

Marcie

Kim <kimallen@...> wrote:

Marcie,

All of the docs I saw said you can't get sick from mold except for respiratory

issues, and one, after looking at my photographs and test results showing

aspergillus and penicillium, wrote in his report that there was no evidence that

I was even exposed to mold!

-Kim

November 22, 2005

> Re: [] Only people with HIV/Aids can have

compromised

> immune sys...

>

> > It shows large white areas in the lungs...looks like different

sized

> > irregular spots. Some are large and some are small. They are in

all my

> > body that they scanned. I have not had my intestinal area

checked yet.

> > ( In an x-ray film it's mostly black. Mine looks like someone

splattered

> > white paint all in the black areas.) YUCK! It was so bad, even a

regular

> > chest x-ray picked up the abnormality.

> >

> > Marcie

November 22, 2005

Hey Bob,

Welcome back to the group and I hope things are going ok for you. I

do have to mention about this test that you took that shows mold in

your blood. I have taken this test and several others on this board

have also. I have some serious doubts that this test is on the up

and up. When we had it done, they showed the blood sludge, the cells

sticking together, mucor, aspergillus and candida. Also with some

deformities in the blood cells. As we were watching this on the

screen I was also comparing what I was seeing to the pictures on the

posters hanging on the wall. I couldn't believe what I was seeing

and should have gone with my gut feeling. If I didn't live 2 hrs

away from where I had this done and $500. later I would have gone

back to have this test done again, but this time walking out with

the slide in my pocket. I do believe strongly that it is a scam and

for an office that didn't know anything about mold exposure and how

it effects ones health, they just happened to have all the european

antifungals in stock for the mold that they found in her blood.

That same day I was so excited what I " saw " with my own eyes that I

mentioned it on this board. I have been contacted by several

professionals asking many, but the same questions of what took

place. Even the most qualified can not determine these fungi in your

blood just by this procedure. So I would recommend for everyone to

be cautious if someone recommends this test. And if anyone has the

chance to get a hold of one these slides, check it out under a

microscope, (without your blood one it.) You might find these fungi

etched into the slide.

KC

>

> > Re: [] Only people with HIV/Aids can have

> compromised

> > immune sys...

> >

> > > It shows large white areas in the lungs...looks like different

> sized

> > > irregular spots. Some are large and some are small. They are

in

> all my

> > > body that they scanned. I have not had my intestinal area

> checked yet.

> > > ( In an x-ray film it's mostly black. Mine looks like someone

> splattered

> > > white paint all in the black areas.) YUCK! It was so bad, even

a

> regular

> > > chest x-ray picked up the abnormality.

> > >

> > > Marcie

>

November 22, 2005

Yes, I've heard of this scam as well. They claim to identify things in the blood

that cannot possibly be identified that way. I recall one report where several

people were sent to one of these guys, and every one of them were told the same

identical thing.

If you have the slide or can get it, maybe you could have someone reputable

look at it for you, Bob.

Serena

There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

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November 23, 2005

Kathy,

I had test run and found out that my IgG Gant level had dropped to 307 after

being exposed to the Stachybotrys Mold. The doctor that did the test stated

that it was " Frighteningly low " and started me on IVIG treatments right away. So

far they have had to increase the levels 4 times and it is not a fun thing to go

through. It takes about 3 -4 hours and costs now $13,000. for one day. My next

one is 11/30/05.

As for the Granulomatous, it is a " fungal " infection. I had been taking

antibiotics before I found the mold because something was making me sick. It was

my 4Th round of them so I had no good bacteria in my body to fight the mold

spores the workers were scraping off the wall and sending into the air. I also

already had Multiple Sclerosis since 1989 and that of course made me very easy

to get sick from the mold.

Thanks for asking,

Marcie

Kathy <kathywnb@...> wrote: