Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 In a message dated 10/29/2007 2:01:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wakerens@... writes: Our Local Health Food store NaturTyme has a news Letter and here is a List of the Top 10 Most Unwanted Ingredients in Cosmetics: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interesting. Thanks for sharing, Gabby. I'm interested in what people think about various products and ingredients. It chaps me, though, when they get the info. just plain wrong, like the one about propylene glycol, or state as true something that is unfounded. It does help me to see what different groups are looking for, though, and spurs me to research ingredients more; so, I'm glad to learn it. Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) www.saponifier.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 In a message dated 10/29/2007 2:01:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wakerens@... writes: Our Local Health Food store NaturTyme has a news Letter and here is a List of the Top 10 Most Unwanted Ingredients in Cosmetics: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interesting. Thanks for sharing, Gabby. I'm interested in what people think about various products and ingredients. It chaps me, though, when they get the info. just plain wrong, like the one about propylene glycol, or state as true something that is unfounded. It does help me to see what different groups are looking for, though, and spurs me to research ingredients more; so, I'm glad to learn it. Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) www.saponifier.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Are you saying the info on propylene glycol is wrong in this article?? I understand what your saying about a miss representation about a product, and that is how I feel about how herbs are presented to the public by the Government and Medical corp. Gabby > > > > In a message dated 10/29/2007 2:01:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wakerens@... writes: > > Our Local Health Food store NaturTyme has a news Letter and here is a > List of the Top 10 Most Unwanted Ingredients in Cosmetics: > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interesting. Thanks for sharing, Gabby. I'm interested in what people > think about various products and ingredients. It chaps me, though, when they get > the info. just plain wrong, like the one about propylene glycol, or state as > true something that is unfounded. > > It does help me to see what different groups are looking for, though, and > spurs me to research ingredients more; so, I'm glad to learn it. > > Beth > _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) > www.saponifier.com > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 In a message dated 10/30/2007 8:48:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wakerens@... writes: Are you saying the info on propylene glycol is wrong in this article?? I understand what your saying about a miss representation about a product, and that is how I feel about how herbs are presented to the public by the Government and Medical corp. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes, I am. Antifreeze is made with ethylene glycol; whereas, propylene glycol is used for many benign purposes, including food mixes that probably most all of us use in our daily lives. Granted, propylene glycol is sometimes used with or instead of E.G., but they are likely referring to E.G. P.G. is a gras ingredient, and one can choose to believe it's OK or not, but one should at least know the difference. It's not that I'm particularly defending its use, I just think one should KNOW the correct info. before calling out dire warnings. See what I mean? Some of their other info. is too ambiguous to be useful, as well, IMO. Of course you're right about the herbs, and I get just as steamed over that--maybe even more! That should make those of who want herbs and natural things to be recognized fairly for what they are to realize that in order to be taken seriously, we need to have our info. straight. I have very little confidence in Big Pharma, and that helps me to work hard to research all of these claims, ingredients, and so on, because the truth is not always easy to know. It doesn't help when misinformation gets spread around and around. There is prejudice on both sides of the fence, unfortunately. Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) www.saponifier.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Anti-freeze is anti-freeze no matter how you look at it HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifreeze " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifr eeze Propylene glycol HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol " Propylene glycol, on the other hand, is considerably less toxic and may be labeled as " non-toxic antifreeze " . It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in pipes in homes, as well as numerous other settings. It is also used in food, medicines, and cosmetics, often as a binding agent. Propylene glycol is " HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generally_recognized_as_safe " generally recognized as safe " by the HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_Drug_Administration " Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in food. However, propylene glycol-based antifreeze should not be considered safe for consumption. In the event of accidental ingestion, emergency medical services should be contacted. - - - BTW – I work at Natur-Tyme. The information was gathered by one of our cosmetologist – Who was previously an environmental lobbyist in Washington DC, and works as a head in “Kids against pollution” among other ‘environmental activist’ things she has done – Trust me… she’s done the research, and knows what she’s talking about. An yes it’s in lots of foods (mainly liquid things such as salad dressing, etc.) – That doesn’t make it a good thing HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Propylene_glycol [Propylene glycol, known also by the systematic name propane-1,2-diol, is an HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_compound " organic compound (a HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diol " diol HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol " alcohol), usually a tasteless, odorless, and colorless clear oily liquid that is HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopic " hygroscopic and HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscible " miscible with HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water " water, HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone " acetone, and HYPERLINK " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroform " chloroform.] – (and you have no way of knowing if acetone or chloroform and been mixed in there because they don’t have to label it.) It’s not shown to be safe in cat food, but the FDA says it’s safe for us --- that sounds a little fishy don’t-ya-think – it is also said to cause some serious burning/skin irritation in topical applications. ----- Just figured I’d pop in out of nowhere and throw in my thoughts. Sam _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ByrneBunch@... Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Thought I'd Share! In a message dated 10/30/2007 8:48:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HYPERLINK " mailto:wakerens%40 " wakerens (DOT) -com writes: Are you saying the info on propylene glycol is wrong in this article?? I understand what your saying about a miss representation about a product, and that is how I feel about how herbs are presented to the public by the Government and Medical corp. ~~~~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~ Yes, I am. Antifreeze is made with ethylene glycol; whereas, propylene glycol is used for many benign purposes, including food mixes that probably most all of us use in our daily lives. Granted, propylene glycol is sometimes used with or instead of E.G., but they are likely referring to E.G. P.G. is a gras ingredient, and one can choose to believe it's OK or not, but one should at least know the difference. It's not that I'm particularly defending its use, I just think one should KNOW the correct info. before calling out dire warnings. See what I mean? Some of their other info. is too ambiguous to be useful, as well, IMO. Of course you're right about the herbs, and I get just as steamed over that--maybe even more! That should make those of who want herbs and natural things to be recognized fairly for what they are to realize that in order to be taken seriously, we need to have our info. straight. I have very little confidence in Big Pharma, and that helps me to work hard to research all of these claims, ingredients, and so on, because the truth is not always easy to know. It doesn't help when misinformation gets spread around and around. There is prejudice on both sides of the fence, unfortunately. Beth _www.soapandgarden.-com_ (HYPERLINK " http://www.soapandgarden.com/ " http://www.soapandg-arden.com/) www.saponifier.-com ************-*********-*********-******** See what's new at HYPERLINK " http://www.aol.com " http://www.aol.-com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 In a message dated 10/31/2007 9:09:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Prisha.Nisha@... writes: Anti-freeze is anti-freeze no matter how you look at it ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes and no. Yes, P.G. functions as an antifreeze, but so does E.G and a product that will kill someone quickly after ingestion is a far cry from something that we ingest all the time, even if the product can function as an antifreeze. Antifreeze is most often made from EG. Again, I'm not defending propylene glycol, just pointing out that we need to know what we're talking about before we throw around warnings against substances. Otherwise, it gives " the other side " points to show our ignorance. Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) www.saponifier.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 They left off the most important one on the list: http://www.dhmo.org/ I'm sorry but my sarcastic side immediately left to the front when I read this stuff. A little bit of perspective goes a long way. You want life without these things? Well chlorine for example - you can expect a miserable time with all sorts of illnesses: it's used to clean the water your drink, the kitchens that serve you food, etc. And it's generally " deactivated " by contact with organic material. Don't breathe it in concentrated forms is a good idea - but don't be afraid of it. And plenty of " natural " things cause problems, so be sure to stop eating, drinking and above all breathing. Cause we all know breathing is associated with asthma. Geesh, anything can be bad for you. But used properly and cautiously... Forgive my rudeness. The coffee maker is broken. > > Our Local Health Food store NaturTyme has a news Letter and here is a > List of the Top 10 Most Unwanted Ingredients in Cosmetics: > > The 10 Most > Unwanted > Ingredients in Personal > Care & Beauty Products > 1. Isopropyl Alcohol – Petroleum-derived > solvent used in antifreeze and shellac. > Inhalation or ingestion of the vapor may cause > headaches, flushing, dizziness, depression, > and vomiting. > > 2. Mineral Oil – Petroleum. Coats the > skin, disrupting its natural immune barrier > and inhibiting its ability to breathe, absorb > moisture and nutrition, and release toxins. > > 3. PEG or Polyethylene Glycol – In > cleansers, like spray-on oven cleansers. > Potentially carcinogenic. > > 4. P ropylene Glycol (PG) – The active > component in antifreeze.The EPA requires > workers to wear protective gloves and gear > when working with this toxic substance. > > 5. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) and > Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES) – > Used as detergents and surfactants and found > in car wash soaps, garage floor cleaners, and > engine degreasers. May damage the > immune system. > > 6. Chlorine – Exposure in tap water, > showers, pool, laundry products, etc., can > contribute to asthma, hay fever, anemia, > bronchitis, confusion, heart disease, and more. > > 7. DEA (diethanolamine), MEA > (momoethanolamine),TEA (triethanolamine) > – Hormone-disrupting > chemicals known to form cancer-causing > nitrates and nitrosamines. > > 8. FD & C Color Pigments – Made > from coal tar. Animal studies have shown > almost all of them to be carcinogenic. > > 9. Fr agrance – Clinical observations show > exposure to synthetic ingredients that create > fragrance can affect the central nervous > system, causing depression, hyperactivity, > irritability, inability to cope, and other > behavioral changes. > > 10. Imida zolidinyl Urea and DMDM > Hydantoin – Just two of the many > preservatives that release formaldehyde. > Can irritate the respiratory system, cause > skin reactions, trigger heart palpitations, > cause joint pain, allergies, depression, > headaches, and more. > > FYI: > Fragrance free – Used to indicate chemical scent or perfume.To create > a scent-free product, chemical ingredients may be used. > Many pure, natural products have color and scent of the natural > plants, from which they are derived, though no chemical fragrance. > Due to these differences, not all fragrance-free products will be in > the same step. > Vega n – Products labeled as such may contain chemicals on the watch > list; most all-natural products are vegan unless otherwise noted. > Local products allow us to form personal relationships; we can > guarantee quality more easily while supporting local cottage > industries. > Organic certification – To be " Certified " is very expensive; some > smaller dedicated organic companies will not or cannot pay for the > certification.Their products are still organic and desirable. > > OH and the also had in there I thought this was interesting too: > > The Steps, is a system designed to help consumers see the impact that > their > purchasing power has on themselves … and beyond. > > Step1 > Hybrid > • Contains both natural and chemical ingredients > • May contain SLS, Parabens, Propylene Glycol > • May make Vegan claim (no animal, but chemicals) > > Step 2 > Natural with Supplements > • Natural base of either coconut or olive oil with extractions > of unknown* source that may be synthetic or bio-identical > • No animal testing > *See article on page 6 re: FDA regulations on labeling. > > Step 3 > All Natural > • Uses whole plants > • May be handcrafted and/or locally made > • May use some natural vitamins > • No animal testing > > Step 4 – The Goal > Whole Food, Organic, Sustainable/Fair Trade > • Whole plants, wildcrafted > • Certified organic, Sustainable agriculture, Fair trade > • No animal testing > BY NaturTyme (http://www.natur-tyme.com/) > > Hope this helps in Shopping, Labeling, and preparing your companies. > Gabby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Thank you Beth, Jeanine Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ByrneBunch@... Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Re: Thought I'd Share! In a message dated 10/31/2007 9:09:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HYPERLINK " mailto:Prisha.Nisha%40gmail.com " Prisha.Nisha@-gmail.com writes: Anti-freeze is anti-freeze no matter how you look at it ~~~~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~~~~~-~~~~ Yes and no. Yes, P.G. functions as an antifreeze, but so does E.G and a product that will kill someone quickly after ingestion is a far cry from something that we ingest all the time, even if the product can function as an antifreeze. Antifreeze is most often made from EG. Again, I'm not defending propylene glycol, just pointing out that we need to know what we're talking about before we throw around warnings against substances. Otherwise, it gives " the other side " points to show our ignorance. Beth _www.soapandgarden.-com_ (HYPERLINK " http://www.soapandgarden.com/ " http://www.soapandg-arden.com/) www.saponifier.-com ************-*********-*********-******** See what's new at HYPERLINK " http://www.aol.com " http://www.aol.-com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 I have to say this… and if it gets me in trouble… so be it. Do you honestly think that we would send that list out to 18,000 people in our newsletter WITHOUT researching it first? That would be madness. I thought we were making our own HBC products so we could KNOW WHATS IN THEM, and make better choices. Chlorine, fluoride, and a number of other chemicals are put into our water to “purify it” and make it safe to drink. Both Chlorine and fluoride cause havoc on the system with long-term exposure… Talk about knowing what you are talking about before you say it. Don’t you realize that if your child eats (and yes they do eat it) a tube of toothpaste with fluoride – it can be enough to KILL a small child (it only takes 16mg max to do so). As far as chlorine… oh… chlorine is fun… It stores in your fat cells - releases dioxins (top external contributing factor of several female issues), Binds to proteins in your system and converts to chloroform (IN YOUR BODY) - YUMM - Ok… so you drink bottled water… but what about your shower and your pool… well… hate to tell ya, but it absorbs through your skin too… and does the same things… and MUCH WORSE from your pools. Why do you think they came up with a ‘salt water’ pool? – ‘Cuz chlorine is TOXIC with long term exposure. I’ve seen and heard some of the things some soapers think is clean or safe or non-toxic… Just because it’s home made – doesn’t make it safe. ;-) I did the research on the ingredients of 10 different MAKE-UP lines for our store – I know ingredients – I know what’s toxic in short term use, long term use, not for topical use, not to be ingested, etc. But they still use ‘not to be ingested’ items in lipstick (you eat about a pound a year if you wear it ever day), and they still use ‘not to be left on’ items in lotions… IN “NATURAL” PRODUCTS!!... So please quit being rude and dismissive to people when you are the one who is not really understanding what’s what. – We’ve been through this before ON THIS LIST about items needed as preservatives… and we know how that ended… So… Let’s drop the subject before things get ugly – please. Sorry to the list mom’s Going back into hiding now _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jeanine Van Voorhees Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: RE: Re: Thought I'd Share! Thank you Beth, Jeanine Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works _____ From: HYPERLINK " mailto:%40 " @-groups.-com [mailto:HYPERLINK " mailto:%40 " @-groups.-com] On Behalf Of HYPERLINK " mailto:ByrneBunch%40aol.com " ByrneBunchaol (DOT) -com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:32 AM HYPERLINK " mailto:%40 " @-groups.-com Subject: Re: Re: Thought I'd Share! In a message dated 10/31/2007 9:09:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HYPERLINK " mailto:Prisha.-Nisha%40gmail.-com " Prisha.-Nisha@-gmail.-com writes: Anti-freeze is anti-freeze no matter how you look at it ~~~~~~~~~~~~--~~~~~~~~-~-~~~~ Yes and no. Yes, P.G. functions as an antifreeze, but so does E.G and a product that will kill someone quickly after ingestion is a far cry from something that we ingest all the time, even if the product can function as an antifreeze. Antifreeze is most often made from EG. Again, I'm not defending propylene glycol, just pointing out that we need to know what we're talking about before we throw around warnings against substances. Otherwise, it gives " the other side " points to show our ignorance. Beth _www.soapandgarden.--com_ (HYPERLINK " HYPERLINK " http://www.soapandgarden.com/ " http://www.soapandg-arden.com/ " HYPERLINK " http://www.soapandg-arden.com/ " http://www.soapandg--arden.com/) www.saponifier.--com ************--********-*-*******-**-******-** See what's new at HYPERLINK " HYPERLINK " http://www.aol.com " http://www.aol.-com " HYPERLINK " http://www.aol.-com " http://www.aol.--com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 First off I posted a copy of this article for people to bite off an chew what they wanted, and not to cram my beliefs down your throat nor for you to do it to me! NaturThyme is a very credible store, and they don't do things half arse, and they take helping people to live as healthy as possible very seriously. Yes all things can cause allergies; more times than not it is the man made chemicals in products that cause the most allergies. Natural care product can cause allergies IF people don't use the plant or product right! Difference here is Natural product we controll because where worried of critizism and lossing our freedom. Yet hudge businesses out there care not about what they cram down our throats or into our pores. They don't worry about conciquences because Money talks and BullSh*t walks!!! Those articles are for when we buy Store baught products (Which WE all still do) we can do it with a more open mind of which ones we really want to buy. This was not a permitt to put dig in on anyone!! I know tons of you look down on my Sister & I, our opinions, and the things we say but we don't pull things out of our arse to have something to say on here. For that fact we rarely speak because no matter if where right or wrong we get shot down or ignored anyways! Shaye, Colleen, DebS, DebZ, and Beth; I have enjoyed chatting with you all, and I will continue to chat with you through regular email but I'm at the point where its time for me to leave I'm tired of all the petty BS that goes on, and Im especially tired of having my opinions, thoughts, or even public info I post here being degreated as if Im not smart enough to research what I have posted. Why don't you all Google the things in the list for yourselves and maybe you will learn something today!!! Gabby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 My sister posted this information for informational purposes from a news letter from a natural food/product store the owner of this store would never have let that information be posted in her news letters if this information was not completely researched, this would be a liability to her if she had.. the information was to let the people of this group know that there is a side to the chemicals that we use daily to make products and food with which not everyone may know about, my sisters were in no way saying that anyone should be afraid to use a product nor were they saying not to use the products, they were offering knowledge for you so that you may make an educated decision on whether or not to use such items in your products... My sisters and myself decided that we wanted to make our own products so that we knew the kinds of things that were being put into our products to protect our families from un-necessary chemicals when there are so many herbal/natural products that can do the same things as these chemicals with out the same issues as the chemicals...and we feel it is our responsibility to inform people who may not know.. I do have to say i find it funny that someone who has no real personal affiliation with these chemicals other then putting them in there products can say to someone who researchers this stuff and would risk loosing alot if they wrote the wrong information up is wrong and that some people would choose to believe said person then someone with real knowledge of this information... i think that some people should realize that just cause the govornment says its ok ..dont mean its ok, the govornment has been oking products for years that turn around and kill tuns of people every year...and yes these products do help us in some ways, as in chlorine in our drinking water ..yes it does clean the water...But it is up to us the consumers to deside for ourselves if we think it is worth the risks for ourselves and our families to use these chemicals, and you cant make that decision intelligently if you do not know all the problmes that it can cause. Tina > > I apologize as well if I came off sounding hostile… this is a subject I am > very passionate about, and I feel people should be concerned about even the > `lesser evils' out there too… that's all. > > > > Good debate > > > > [Ducks back into lurk-dom] > > > > Sam > > > > _____ > > From: [mailto: ] > On Behalf Of ByrneBunch@... > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:28 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: Thought I'd Share! > > > > > > In a message dated 11/1/2007 3:38:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > HYPERLINK " mailto:Prisha.Nisha%40gmail.com " Prisha.Nisha@... writes: > > I thought we were making our own HBC products so we could KNOW WHATS IN > THEM, and make better choices. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~~~~ > I think we are, Sam. It's just that we don't all agree 100% on every point. > > > I think a reasonable discourse is good for everyone as long as all parties > can share their points calmly and rationally, which is what I thought we > were > doing. > > I had no intention of hurting anyone's feelings, or of being rude or > dismissive, and I apologize if that is the case. I'd rather drop it than be > involved in a feud. > > Beth > _www.soapandgarden.-com_ (HYPERLINK > " http://www.soapandgarden.com/ " http://www.soapandg-arden.com/) > www.saponifier.-com > > ************-*********-*********-******** See what's new at HYPERLINK > " http://www.aol.com " http://www.aol.-com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Tina, Sam, and Gabby, I appreciate the information posted. It does open the eyes of those who had not thought of it before. Hopefully we all take away something from this. Shaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Thanks for sharing .... I'll have to look into this. It is so hard as I love the M & P soaps but they have some of these or I add them.... (i.e. rubbing alochol to get rid of bubbles). Anyone try anything else to get rid of bubbles in M & P? Hugs! > > Our Local Health Food store NaturTyme has a news Letter and here is a > List of the Top 10 Most Unwanted Ingredients in Cosmetics: > > The 10 Most > Unwanted > Ingredients in Personal > Care & Beauty Products > 1. Isopropyl Alcohol � Petroleum-derived > solvent used in antifreeze and shellac. > Inhalation or ingestion of the vapor may cause > headaches, flushing, dizziness, depression, > and vomiting. > > 2. Mineral Oil � Petroleum. Coats the > skin, disrupting its natural immune barrier > and inhibiting its ability to breathe, absorb > moisture and nutrition, and release toxins. > > 3. PEG or Polyethylene Glycol � In > cleansers, like spray-on oven cleansers. > Potentially carcinogenic. > > 4. P ropylene Glycol (PG) � The active > component in antifreeze.The EPA requires > workers to wear protective gloves and gear > when working with this toxic substance. > > 5. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) and > Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES) � > Used as detergents and surfactants and found > in car wash soaps, garage floor cleaners, and > engine degreasers. May damage the > immune system. > > 6. Chlorine � Exposure in tap water, > showers, pool, laundry products, etc., can > contribute to asthma, hay fever, anemia, > bronchitis, confusion, heart disease, and more. > > 7. DEA (diethanolamine), MEA > (momoethanolamine),TEA (triethanolamine) > � Hormone-disrupting > chemicals known to form cancer-causing > nitrates and nitrosamines. > > 8. FD & C Color Pigments � Made > from coal tar. Animal studies have shown > almost all of them to be carcinogenic. > > 9. Fr agrance � Clinical observations show > exposure to synthetic ingredients that create > fragrance can affect the central nervous > system, causing depression, hyperactivity, > irritability, inability to cope, and other > behavioral changes. > > 10. Imida zolidinyl Urea and DMDM > Hydantoin � Just two of the many > preservatives that release formaldehyde. > Can irritate the respiratory system, cause > skin reactions, trigger heart palpitations, > cause joint pain, allergies, depression, > headaches, and more. > > FYI: > Fragrance free � Used to indicate chemical scent or perfume.To create > a scent-free product, chemical ingredients may be used. > Many pure, natural products have color and scent of the natural > plants, from which they are derived, though no chemical fragrance. > Due to these differences, not all fragrance-free products will be in > the same step. > Vega n � Products labeled as such may contain chemicals on the watch > list; most all-natural products are vegan unless otherwise noted. > Local products allow us to form personal relationships; we can > guarantee quality more easily while supporting local cottage > industries. > Organic certification � To be " Certified " is very expensive; some > smaller dedicated organic companies will not or cannot pay for the > certification.Their products are still organic and desirable. > > OH and the also had in there I thought this was interesting too: > > The Steps, is a system designed to help consumers see the impact that > their > purchasing power has on themselves � and beyond. > > Step1 > Hybrid > � Contains both natural and chemical ingredients > � May contain SLS, Parabens, Propylene Glycol > � May make Vegan claim (no animal, but chemicals) > > Step 2 > Natural with Supplements > � Natural base of either coconut or olive oil with extractions > of unknown* source that may be synthetic or bio-identical > � No animal testing > *See article on page 6 re: FDA regulations on labeling. > > Step 3 > All Natural > � Uses whole plants > � May be handcrafted and/or locally made > � May use some natural vitamins > � No animal testing > > Step 4 � The Goal > Whole Food, Organic, Sustainable/Fair Trade > � Whole plants, wildcrafted > � Certified organic, Sustainable agriculture, Fair trade > � No animal testing > BY NaturTyme (http://www.natur-tyme.com/) > > Hope this helps in Shopping, Labeling, and preparing your companies. > Gabby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 First of all, I believe the alcohol dissipates, so it's not adding to your soap, besides the fact that although it's not something I want all over my body in large amts, it is used straight on the skin before getting shots, etc. So, it's not THAT bad for spritzing soap with. That being said, we manufacturers have to realize that what the public is exposed to in small amts., we are exposed to in much larger amts. due to the manufacturing process and the sheer volume of what we work with. That should make us cautious in handling any product we choose to use. For instance, ground oats are terrific, right? Yes, but not if you breathe in particles while you're grinding and pouring it. Wearing face and hand protection is important to our health, but not important for the end user of our products. As far as getting bubbles out of m & p, other than not overheating, and pouring the soap slowly, I know of no other way to get rid of bubbles. I try not to get the in the first place, but don't feel badly about spritzing them, either. Except for the facts presented, this is all my opinion, so agree or not, it's OK. :-) Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) Be good to your skin! www.saponifier.com **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 I agree with your statement. In so many cases we are always going to be exposed to one thing or the other and I do not worry about a little spritz to get rid of the bubbles. Before we all started making soap most likely we used store bought products that contained chemicals and we breathe in so much junk just in the air alone. We also use fragrance to scent many things the magority I think uses fragrance oils and as it may be not such a good thing for you neither is breathing air these days. My suggestion is to use your own discretion when making your products. Happy bubbles. Dawn Soap and Body Care Product Crafter www.breathlessbeauty.net Executive Officer www.nickknackscreativeinteriors.com Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Re: Re: Thought I'd Share! First of all, I believe the alcohol dissipates, so it's not adding to your soap, besides the fact that although it's not something I want all over my body in large amts, it is used straight on the skin before getting shots, etc. So, it's not THAT bad for spritzing soap with. That being said, we manufacturers have to realize that what the public is exposed to in small amts., we are exposed to in much larger amts. due to the manufacturing process and the sheer volume of what we work with. That should make us cautious in handling any product we choose to use. For instance, ground oats are terrific, right? Yes, but not if you breathe in particles while you're grinding and pouring it. Wearing face and hand protection is important to our health, but not important for the end user of our products. As far as getting bubbles out of m & p, other than not overheating, and pouring the soap slowly, I know of no other way to get rid of bubbles. I try not to get the in the first place, but don't feel badly about spritzing them, either. Except for the facts presented, this is all my opinion, so agree or not, it's OK. :-) Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandg <http://www.soapandgarden.com/> arden.com/) Be good to your skin! www.saponifier.com **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money. <http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850> aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 For some reason, posts are showing up from 2007, so let's not get into that one again. :-) Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) Be good to your skin! www.saponifier.com In a message dated 4/21/2008 10:39:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Koalas_boutique@... writes: They know that but they don't seem to mind because they are goingto enjoy those years that they do have. but again i do realize that this isn't the viewpoints of everyone and that is OK> **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 I just wanted to thank you for posting this list. I am sure it will help many soapers out by knowing what consumers want or rather don't want in their products. I know that I myself look for perfumes that are made without alcohol just simply because I can't stand the smell. I remember my cousin used to use that Vanilla fields perfume and just bath herself in it I hated walking by when she was applying it or even for a good 15 minutes after because it smelled like bug spray frm the alcohol. I like my perfume to have the simple smell of the fragrance and not alcoholic. I do know that alcohol of its various types do lend an ashthetic quality to lotions making them glide on better and create a less greasy feel. I think for the most part it is a preferance thing. Again thanks for your post. > > Our Local Health Food store NaturTyme has a news Letter and here is a > List of the Top 10 Most Unwanted Ingredients in Cosmetics: > > The 10 Most > Unwanted > Ingredients in Personal > Care & Beauty Products > 1. Isopropyl Alcohol – Petroleum-derived > solvent used in antifreeze and shellac. > Inhalation or ingestion of the vapor may cause > headaches, flushing, dizziness, depression, > and vomiting. > > 2. Mineral Oil – Petroleum. Coats the > skin, disrupting its natural immune barrier > and inhibiting its ability to breathe, absorb > moisture and nutrition, and release toxins. > > 3. PEG or Polyethylene Glycol – In > cleansers, like spray-on oven cleansers. > Potentially carcinogenic. > > 4. P ropylene Glycol (PG) – The active > component in antifreeze.The EPA requires > workers to wear protective gloves and gear > when working with this toxic substance. > > 5. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) and > Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES) – > Used as detergents and surfactants and found > in car wash soaps, garage floor cleaners, and > engine degreasers. May damage the > immune system. > > 6. Chlorine – Exposure in tap water, > showers, pool, laundry products, etc., can > contribute to asthma, hay fever, anemia, > bronchitis, confusion, heart disease, and more. > > 7. DEA (diethanolamine), MEA > (momoethanolamine),TEA (triethanolamine) > – Hormone-disrupting > chemicals known to form cancer-causing > nitrates and nitrosamines. > > 8. FD & C Color Pigments – Made > from coal tar. Animal studies have shown > almost all of them to be carcinogenic. > > 9. Fr agrance – Clinical observations show > exposure to synthetic ingredients that create > fragrance can affect the central nervous > system, causing depression, hyperactivity, > irritability, inability to cope, and other > behavioral changes. > > 10. Imida zolidinyl Urea and DMDM > Hydantoin – Just two of the many > preservatives that release formaldehyde. > Can irritate the respiratory system, cause > skin reactions, trigger heart palpitations, > cause joint pain, allergies, depression, > headaches, and more. > > FYI: > Fragrance free – Used to indicate chemical scent or perfume.To create > a scent-free product, chemical ingredients may be used. > Many pure, natural products have color and scent of the natural > plants, from which they are derived, though no chemical fragrance. > Due to these differences, not all fragrance-free products will be in > the same step. > Vega n – Products labeled as such may contain chemicals on the watch > list; most all-natural products are vegan unless otherwise noted. > Local products allow us to form personal relationships; we can > guarantee quality more easily while supporting local cottage > industries. > Organic certification – To be " Certified " is very expensive; some > smaller dedicated organic companies will not or cannot pay for the > certification.Their products are still organic and desirable. > > OH and the also had in there I thought this was interesting too: > > The Steps, is a system designed to help consumers see the impact that > their > purchasing power has on themselves … and beyond. > > Step1 > Hybrid > • Contains both natural and chemical ingredients > • May contain SLS, Parabens, Propylene Glycol > • May make Vegan claim (no animal, but chemicals) > > Step 2 > Natural with Supplements > • Natural base of either coconut or olive oil with extractions > of unknown* source that may be synthetic or bio-identical > • No animal testing > *See article on page 6 re: FDA regulations on labeling. > > Step 3 > All Natural > • Uses whole plants > • May be handcrafted and/or locally made > • May use some natural vitamins > • No animal testing > > Step 4 – The Goal > Whole Food, Organic, Sustainable/Fair Trade > • Whole plants, wildcrafted > • Certified organic, Sustainable agriculture, Fair trade > • No animal testing > BY NaturTyme (http://www.natur-tyme.com/) > > Hope this helps in Shopping, Labeling, and preparing your companies. > Gabby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Yea, lets not. Yall have a great sunshiney day! Shaye Re: Re: Thought I'd Share! For some reason, posts are showing up from 2007, so let's not get into that one again. :-) Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandg <http://www.soapandgarden.com/> arden.com/) Be good to your skin! www.saponifier.com In a message dated 4/21/2008 10:39:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Koalas_boutique@ <mailto:Koalas_boutique%40> writes: They know that but they don't seem to mind because they are goingto enjoy those years that they do have. but again i do realize that this isn't the viewpoints of everyone and that is OK> **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos. <http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851> aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 It's OK. I didn't notice at first, either. I just thought I'd mention it before things got out of hand. Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) Be good to your skin! www.saponifier.com In a message dated 4/23/2008 9:39:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Koalas_boutique@... writes: Oh WOW im sorry, I didn't realize it was so old til you mentioned it. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Oh WOW im sorry, I didn't realize it was so old til you mentioned it. I also didnt realize how heated things got. After I did I kind of did wish that I hadn't posted anything. I sure didn't want to make matters worse or anything. WHich is why I tried my best to leave it on a freindly note. > > For some reason, posts are showing up from 2007, so let's not get into that > one again. :-) > > Beth > _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) > Be good to your skin! > www.saponifier.com > > > In a message dated 4/21/2008 10:39:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Koalas_boutique@... writes: > > They know that but they don't seem to mind because they are goingto > enjoy those years that they do have. but again i do realize that this > isn't the viewpoints of everyone and that is OK> > > > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Gabby, I don't know if you realized it, but somehow the conversation from 2007 was reposted by , so we've agreed not to open that Pandora's Box again, LOL. Beth _www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/) Be good to your skin! www.saponifier.com In a message dated 4/23/2008 2:29:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wakerens@... writes: It also don't mean we have to be degrated about our opinions either. We never ment it to feel like our opinions where being shoved down your throats. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 *SIGH* > > > > I have to say this… and if it gets me in trouble… so be it. > > > > > > > > Do you honestly think that we would send that list out to 18,000 > people in > > our newsletter WITHOUT researching it first? That would be madness. > > > > > > > > I thought we were making our own HBC products so we could KNOW > WHATS IN > > THEM, and make better choices. Chlorine, fluoride, and a number of > other > > chemicals are put into our water to " purify it " and make it safe to > drink. > > Both Chlorine and fluoride cause havoc on the system with long- term > > exposure… Talk about knowing what you are talking about before you > say it. > > Don't you realize that if your child eats (and yes they do eat it) > a tube of > > toothpaste with fluoride – it can be enough to KILL a small child > (it only > > takes 16mg max to do so). As far as chlorine… oh… chlorine is fun… > It > > stores in your fat cells - releases dioxins (top external > contributing > > factor of several female issues), Binds to proteins in your system > and > > converts to chloroform (IN YOUR BODY) - YUMM - Ok… so you drink > bottled > > water… but what about your shower and your pool… well… hate to tell > ya, but > > it absorbs through your skin too… and does the same things… and > MUCH WORSE > > from your pools. Why do you think they came up with a `salt water' > pool? – > > `Cuz chlorine is TOXIC with long term exposure. > > > > > > > > I've seen and heard some of the things some soapers think is clean > or safe > > or non-toxic… Just because it's home made – doesn't make it safe. ;- > ) > > > > > > > > I did the research on the ingredients of 10 different MAKE-UP lines > for our > > store – I know ingredients – I know what's toxic in short term use, > long > > term use, not for topical use, not to be ingested, etc. But they > still use > > `not to be ingested' items in lipstick (you eat about a pound a > year if you > > wear it ever day), and they still use `not to be left on' items in > lotions… > > IN " NATURAL " PRODUCTS!!... > > > > > > > > So please quit being rude and dismissive to people when you are the > one who > > is not really understanding what's what. – We've been through this > before ON > > THIS LIST about items needed as preservatives… and we know how that > ended… > > So… > > > > > > > > Let's drop the subject before things get ugly – please. > > > > > > > > Sorry to the list mom's > > > > Going back into hiding now > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: > [mailto: ] > > On Behalf Of Jeanine Van Voorhees > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:05 PM > > > > Subject: RE: Re: Thought I'd Share! > > > > > > > > Thank you Beth, > > > > Jeanine > > > > Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works > > > > _____ > > > > From: HYPERLINK > > " mailto:%40 " @ > > [mailto:HYPERLINK > > " mailto:%40 " @] > > On Behalf Of HYPERLINK " mailto:ByrneBunch%40aol.com " ByrneBunch@ > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:32 AM > > HYPERLINK > > " mailto:%40 " @ > > Subject: Re: Re: Thought I'd Share! > > > > In a message dated 10/31/2007 9:09:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > HYPERLINK " mailto:Prisha.-Nisha%40gmail.-com " Prisha.-Nisha@ > > writes: > > > > Anti-freeze is anti-freeze no matter how you look at it > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~--~~~~~~~~-~-~~~~ > > Yes and no. Yes, P.G. functions as an antifreeze, but so does E.G > and a > > product that will kill someone quickly after ingestion is a far cry > from > > something that we ingest all the time, even if the product can > function as > > an > > antifreeze. Antifreeze is most often made from EG. > > > > Again, I'm not defending propylene glycol, just pointing out that > we need to > > > > know what we're talking about before we throw around warnings > against > > substances. Otherwise, it gives " the other side " points to show our > > ignorance. > > > > Beth > > _www.soapandgarden.--com_ (HYPERLINK > > " HYPERLINK > > " http://www.soapandgarden.com/ " http://www.soapandg- > arden.com/ " HYPERLINK > > " http://www.soapandg-arden.com/ " http://www.soapandg--arden.com/) > > www.saponifier.--com > > > > ************--********-*-*******-**-******-** See what's new at > HYPERLINK > > " HYPERLINK " http://www.aol.com " http://www.aol.-com " HYPERLINK > > " http://www.aol.-com " http://www.aol.--com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 *SIGH* > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/1/2007 3:38:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > Prisha.Nisha@ writes: > > > > I thought we were making our own HBC products so we could KNOW > WHATS IN > > THEM, and make better choices. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 To end this subject once and for all..... I think my sisters & I have came to the conclusion that not everyone is into total health care as we are. That maybe they aren't into/or know how to protect them selves from all the garbage on the market, and this is ok! As I hope you understand and maybe will take what we are saying as Ideas & Opinions on how to thrive to live better for your families sakes. That doesn't mean you have to do anything and that doesn't mean where trying to act as some authority on the subject. We just get so excited about learning something and feel we have to let everyone know. It also don't mean we have to be degrated about our opinions either. We never ment it to feel like our opinions where being shoved down your throats. Gabby, t, & Tina > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/1/2007 3:38:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > Prisha.Nisha@ writes: > > > > > > I thought we were making our own HBC products so we could KNOW > > WHATS IN > > > THEM, and make better choices. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Thank you for reading Koalas Beth your right with the heat of soap the alcohol may completely disipate. I think that artical means alcohol in large quantities in products where it would disipate as fast (my assumption) eg. perfumes. Gabby > > > > Our Local Health Food store NaturTyme has a news Letter and here is > a > > List of the Top 10 Most Unwanted Ingredients in Cosmetics: > > > > The 10 Most > > Unwanted > > Ingredients in Personal > > Care & Beauty Products > > 1. Isopropyl Alcohol – Petroleum-derived > > solvent used in antifreeze and shellac. > > Inhalation or ingestion of the vapor may cause > > headaches, flushing, dizziness, depression, > > and vomiting. > > > > 2. Mineral Oil – Petroleum. Coats the > > skin, disrupting its natural immune barrier > > and inhibiting its ability to breathe, absorb > > moisture and nutrition, and release toxins. > > > > 3. PEG or Polyethylene Glycol – In > > cleansers, like spray-on oven cleansers. > > Potentially carcinogenic. > > > > 4. P ropylene Glycol (PG) – The active > > component in antifreeze.The EPA requires > > workers to wear protective gloves and gear > > when working with this toxic substance. > > > > 5. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) and > > Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES) – > > Used as detergents and surfactants and found > > in car wash soaps, garage floor cleaners, and > > engine degreasers. May damage the > > immune system. > > > > 6. Chlorine – Exposure in tap water, > > showers, pool, laundry products, etc., can > > contribute to asthma, hay fever, anemia, > > bronchitis, confusion, heart disease, and more. > > > > 7. DEA (diethanolamine), MEA > > (momoethanolamine),TEA (triethanolamine) > > – Hormone-disrupting > > chemicals known to form cancer-causing > > nitrates and nitrosamines. > > > > 8. FD & C Color Pigments – Made > > from coal tar. Animal studies have shown > > almost all of them to be carcinogenic. > > > > 9. Fr agrance – Clinical observations show > > exposure to synthetic ingredients that create > > fragrance can affect the central nervous > > system, causing depression, hyperactivity, > > irritability, inability to cope, and other > > behavioral changes. > > > > 10. Imida zolidinyl Urea and DMDM > > Hydantoin – Just two of the many > > preservatives that release formaldehyde. > > Can irritate the respiratory system, cause > > skin reactions, trigger heart palpitations, > > cause joint pain, allergies, depression, > > headaches, and more. > > > > FYI: > > Fragrance free – Used to indicate chemical scent or perfume.To > create > > a scent-free product, chemical ingredients may be used. > > Many pure, natural products have color and scent of the natural > > plants, from which they are derived, though no chemical fragrance. > > Due to these differences, not all fragrance-free products will be > in > > the same step. > > Vega n – Products labeled as such may contain chemicals on the > watch > > list; most all-natural products are vegan unless otherwise noted. > > Local products allow us to form personal relationships; we can > > guarantee quality more easily while supporting local cottage > > industries. > > Organic certification – To be " Certified " is very expensive; some > > smaller dedicated organic companies will not or cannot pay for the > > certification.Their products are still organic and desirable. > > > > OH and the also had in there I thought this was interesting too: > > > > The Steps, is a system designed to help consumers see the impact > that > > their > > purchasing power has on themselves … and beyond. > > > > Step1 > > Hybrid > > • Contains both natural and chemical ingredients > > • May contain SLS, Parabens, Propylene Glycol > > • May make Vegan claim (no animal, but chemicals) > > > > Step 2 > > Natural with Supplements > > • Natural base of either coconut or olive oil with extractions > > of unknown* source that may be synthetic or bio-identical > > • No animal testing > > *See article on page 6 re: FDA regulations on labeling. > > > > Step 3 > > All Natural > > • Uses whole plants > > • May be handcrafted and/or locally made > > • May use some natural vitamins > > • No animal testing > > > > Step 4 – The Goal > > Whole Food, Organic, Sustainable/Fair Trade > > • Whole plants, wildcrafted > > • Certified organic, Sustainable agriculture, Fair trade > > • No animal testing > > BY NaturTyme (http://www.natur-tyme.com/) > > > > Hope this helps in Shopping, Labeling, and preparing your companies. > > Gabby > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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