Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Hey , I saw that episode last season and I'm glad they showed it again!!! Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 I remember that one, but I didn't catch the name of the mold. Does anyone remember? It might have been an aspergillus, but from what I gather, there are at least 20 molds that at times colonize humans.. I wonder if any of them have anything to do with 'spontaneous human combustion' (look it up!) That would make a good CSI! Ouch! On 11/21/05, kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote: > > There was an episode on CBS last night where a young man died from a mold > infection in > his brain. It was really interesting how it was shot- the crime scene > people were doing the > routine investigation, and they were pulled out of the house by guys in > Haz-mat suits and > decontaminated in a tent put up outside the house. > > When they went back in, it was with masks,etc. They were looking for the > source of the > mold, and sawed many holes in the walls until they got to the spot where > the water leak > was, which happened to be right where the air ducts were, which had a hole > in them, etc... > > The guy's brain was grey with lots of gooey black stuff around it. It > oozed out of his eyes, > which is how the coroner discovered the mold right away during the > once-over exam. > > It was supposed to be a kind of mold that prefers human tissue, but > normally people don't > get infected by it, as the immune system kicks it out. But this guy was a > body builder > shooting steroids, which allowed the fungal infection to take over his > brain, through his > sinuses. > > Steroids are very bad news, esp combined with the conditions in housing > nowadays. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Oh great. I'm on steroids because my adrenal hormones got low because I was fighting off mold for many years. That makes the picture worse I guess. Loni kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote: There was an episode on CBS last night where a young man died from a mold infection in his brain. It was really interesting how it was shot- the crime scene people were doing the routine investigation, and they were pulled out of the house by guys in Haz-mat suits and decontaminated in a tent put up outside the house. When they went back in, it was with masks,etc. They were looking for the source of the mold, and sawed many holes in the walls until they got to the spot where the water leak was, which happened to be right where the air ducts were, which had a hole in them, etc... The guy's brain was grey with lots of gooey black stuff around it. It oozed out of his eyes, which is how the coroner discovered the mold right away during the once-over exam. It was supposed to be a kind of mold that prefers human tissue, but normally people don't get infected by it, as the immune system kicks it out. But this guy was a body builder shooting steroids, which allowed the fungal infection to take over his brain, through his sinuses. Steroids are very bad news, esp combined with the conditions in housing nowadays. FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 csi did a show that disproved spontaneous human combusition atleast in the case they had on the show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 > ...They were looking for > the source of the mold, and sawed many holes in the walls until they > got to the spot where the water leak was, which happened to be right > where the air ducts were, which had a hole in them, etc... I didn't see the show but from the descriptions I've read, including 's above, a half-way decent inspector, based on the training from even poorly developed courses, would look FIRST for water leaks, because without water the mold won't grow. If the leak was still present he would probably have found the water in the wall with a moisture meter and/or infared camera and then cut one or two holes instead of many. Almost all ducts have holes. Very few were ever designed or installed with any consideration to the presense or absence of holes. Some builders have recently begun deliberately sealing them. EPA's Energy Star program requires it. Because of the infection this is an excellent time to test - specifically - to see what kinds of mold were present and if one of them is the same species as that growing inside the person. Once the infectious species was identified, then a proper sampling plan for the house could be developed. The plan would include collection method, food in the mold plate, culturing conditions at the lab and a mycologist that is expert at identifying that species. If the plan doesn't fit the question the possibility of a negative result that is false is most likely. Finally, I hope nobody took simple samples that compared inside to outside counts! Totally irrelevant, actually ridiculous, perhaps criminal, in this situation. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Loni, Please don't be too overly concerned that you are going to be very susceptable to this type of fungal infection because you are on steroids. That's not the case. What this gentlemen had was mucormycosis, just like Mark Tatum, man without a face. I believe it takes 3 fungi in order for mucormycosis to develope. Mucor,rhizopus, Rhizomucor sp. These all work together in order to form the infection. The Zygomycetous fungus is reported to be allergenic. It may cause mucormycosis in immune compromised individuals. It occupies a biological niche similar to Mucor sp. It is often linked to occupational allergy. The sites of infection are the lung, nasal sinus, brain, eye, and skin. Infection may have multiple sites. KC There was an episode on CBS last night where a young man died from a mold infection in > his brain. It was really interesting how it was shot- the crime scene people were doing the > routine investigation, and they were pulled out of the house by guys in Haz-mat suits and > decontaminated in a tent put up outside the house. > > When they went back in, it was with masks,etc. They were looking for the source of the > mold, and sawed many holes in the walls until they got to the spot where the water leak > was, which happened to be right where the air ducts were, which had a hole in them, etc... > > The guy's brain was grey with lots of gooey black stuff around it. It oozed out of his eyes, > which is how the coroner discovered the mold right away during the once-over exam. > > It was supposed to be a kind of mold that prefers human tissue, but normally people don't > get infected by it, as the immune system kicks it out. But this guy was a body builder > shooting steroids, which allowed the fungal infection to take over his brain, through his > sinuses. > > Steroids are very bad news, esp combined with the conditions in housing nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Ok I'll try not to but I have been exposed to lots of mold. But this sounds rare & extreme. Loni tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: Loni, Please don't be too overly concerned that you are going to be very susceptable to this type of fungal infection because you are on steroids. That's not the case. What this gentlemen had was mucormycosis, just like Mark Tatum, man without a face. I believe it takes 3 fungi in order for mucormycosis to develope. Mucor,rhizopus, Rhizomucor sp. These all work together in order to form the infection. The Zygomycetous fungus is reported to be allergenic. It may cause mucormycosis in immune compromised individuals. It occupies a biological niche similar to Mucor sp. It is often linked to occupational allergy. The sites of infection are the lung, nasal sinus, brain, eye, and skin. Infection may have multiple sites. KC There was an episode on CBS last night where a young man died from a mold infection in > his brain. It was really interesting how it was shot- the crime scene people were doing the > routine investigation, and they were pulled out of the house by guys in Haz-mat suits and > decontaminated in a tent put up outside the house. > > When they went back in, it was with masks,etc. They were looking for the source of the > mold, and sawed many holes in the walls until they got to the spot where the water leak > was, which happened to be right where the air ducts were, which had a hole in them, etc... > > The guy's brain was grey with lots of gooey black stuff around it. It oozed out of his eyes, > which is how the coroner discovered the mold right away during the once-over exam. > > It was supposed to be a kind of mold that prefers human tissue, but normally people don't > get infected by it, as the immune system kicks it out. But this guy was a body builder > shooting steroids, which allowed the fungal infection to take over his brain, through his > sinuses. > > Steroids are very bad news, esp combined with the conditions in housing nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 It sounds rare and extreme, but in reality I don't think it is as rare as they make it out to be. After working with Mark for several years there were several of us that starting researching individual cases and this type of fungal infection. There are many that we are not ever going to be aware of concerning mucormycosis, but we did locate several dozen. Two of which were right in Mark's small hometown. One was his pastors wife that was disfigured from this that lost an eye. Again, most of the time it is not diagnosed until autopsy. In Mark's case this occurred within 3-4 days, it was that quick and luckly they diagnosed it properly. From what I understand it was a doctor from India arguing with local doctors that it is mucormycosis and that he had seen it a hundred times. And I'm sure he has. Then again, the CDC says what we are experiencing is rare...? Go figure. Can you believe it...? KC There was an episode on CBS > last night where a young man died from a mold infection in > > his brain. It was really interesting how it was shot- the crime > scene people were doing the > > routine investigation, and they were pulled out of the house by > guys in Haz-mat suits and > > decontaminated in a tent put up outside the house. > > > > When they went back in, it was with masks,etc. They were looking > for the source of the > > mold, and sawed many holes in the walls until they got to the spot > where the water leak > > was, which happened to be right where the air ducts were, which > had a hole in them, etc... > > > > The guy's brain was grey with lots of gooey black stuff around it. > It oozed out of his eyes, > > which is how the coroner discovered the mold right away during the > once-over exam. > > > > It was supposed to be a kind of mold that prefers human tissue, > but normally people don't > > get infected by it, as the immune system kicks it out. But this > guy was a body builder > > shooting steroids, which allowed the fungal infection to take over > his brain, through his > > sinuses. > > > > Steroids are very bad news, esp combined with the conditions in > housing nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 What do they do to kill that fungus in the brain? Loni tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: It sounds rare and extreme, but in reality I don't think it is as rare as they make it out to be. After working with Mark for several years there were several of us that starting researching individual cases and this type of fungal infection. There are many that we are not ever going to be aware of concerning mucormycosis, but we did locate several dozen. Two of which were right in Mark's small hometown. One was his pastors wife that was disfigured from this that lost an eye. Again, most of the time it is not diagnosed until autopsy. In Mark's case this occurred within 3-4 days, it was that quick and luckly they diagnosed it properly. From what I understand it was a doctor from India arguing with local doctors that it is mucormycosis and that he had seen it a hundred times. And I'm sure he has. Then again, the CDC says what we are experiencing is rare...? Go figure. Can you believe it...? KC There was an episode on CBS > last night where a young man died from a mold infection in > > his brain. It was really interesting how it was shot- the crime > scene people were doing the > > routine investigation, and they were pulled out of the house by > guys in Haz-mat suits and > > decontaminated in a tent put up outside the house. > > > > When they went back in, it was with masks,etc. They were looking > for the source of the > > mold, and sawed many holes in the walls until they got to the spot > where the water leak > > was, which happened to be right where the air ducts were, which > had a hole in them, etc... > > > > The guy's brain was grey with lots of gooey black stuff around it. > It oozed out of his eyes, > > which is how the coroner discovered the mold right away during the > once-over exam. > > > > It was supposed to be a kind of mold that prefers human tissue, > but normally people don't > > get infected by it, as the immune system kicks it out. But this > guy was a body builder > > shooting steroids, which allowed the fungal infection to take over > his brain, through his > > sinuses. > > > > Steroids are very bad news, esp combined with the conditions in > housing nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 > tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@y...> wrote: What this gentlemen had was > mucormycosis, just like Mark Tatum, man without a face. I believe it takes 3 fungi in order for mucormycosis to develope. Mucor,rhizopus, Rhizomucor sp. These all work together in order to form the infection. > > The Zygomycetous fungus is reported to be allergenic. It may cause > mucormycosis in immune compromised individuals. It occupies a > biological niche similar to Mucor sp. It is often linked to > occupational allergy. The sites of infection are the lung, nasal > sinus, brain, eye, and skin. Infection may have multiple sites. > > KC Mark Tatum also found Stachy in his house. At the time, I remember that we were speculating that the protein synthesis inhibitors of Satratoxin may have been key in macrophage " burst function " immunosuppression that allowed the mucormycosis to proliferate. Mark was extremely upset, and rightly so, that the surgeons were quite willing to work to hard to save his life, but that doctors were not willing to investigate the clues and research the cause. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 About steroids. When I was 7, I was put into the hospital for testing to see if I had something that could be causing my severe and unrelending asthma. I was put on steroids. I had to be hospitalized. It was recognized that steroids cause immune suppression, and they didn't want to take any chances. I had a psychotic reaction to them, which I didn't realize until much later, when I again was put on oral steroids for my asthma, and had it again. It is dose related with me- I just can't tolerate steroids. I suffer depression, and become psychotic (their words- in my own, I became hyper angry over nothing, had to hire sitters, until I figured it out and slowly tapered off them). Another thing. It is no coincidence that standard asthma treatment includes inhaled steroids, and almost all the people get worse. There are many more people dying of asthma now than ever before, and I believe it has to do with the treatment used, although the rampant mold exposure has to have something to do with it also. It is like shooting yourself in the foot. This is not to mention how it dissolves the bones. Children that were given steroids for asthma did not grow up like they should have- it stunted their growth. the docs said- well, would you rather breathe, or grow tall? Crimeny. I believe it is really important to evaluate what you take, for how long, and why. It is important not to believe everything you are told by a doctor. Look it up. See what you think. See how your body is reacting. In this day and age, doctors are being trained by drug companies, who have no other motive than profit. You just can't believe the drug companies, and therfore, many doctor's information is biased or wrong, or at least, incomplete. The bottom line for me is: I am responsible for me, and only I decide what goes in my body. I have had nearly all doctors get mad at me about this, but tough. Too bad, so sad. If they don't like it, they can go and jump in the lake. I am hiring them to give me an opinion. They work for me. Period. I decide what to do with the information they give me, which I have paid for, most of the time, exhorbitantly. Many doctors are not used to being disregarded, they don't like it much, but neither do I like being called a " hypochondriac " because they are too narrowminded and uninformed to figure out what is wrong with me. The only doctors that have treated me with respect and belief are the Environmental Allergy Doctors. I have heard many good things about Shoemaker, too. > > Loni, > > Please don't be too overly concerned that you are going to be very > susceptable to this type of fungal infection because you are on > steroids. That's not the case. What this gentlemen had was > mucormycosis, just like Mark Tatum, man without a face. I believe it > takes 3 fungi in order for mucormycosis to develope. Mucor,rhizopus, > Rhizomucor sp. These all work together in order to form the > infection. > > The Zygomycetous fungus is reported to be allergenic. It may cause > mucormycosis in immune compromised individuals. It occupies a > biological niche similar to Mucor sp. It is often linked to > occupational allergy. The sites of infection are the lung, nasal > sinus, brain, eye, and skin. Infection may have multiple sites. > > KC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Loni, Good question. What I have heard is what they start with is mega doses of antifungals, or even antibodics grrrr. But on a case here that recently has taken place concerning a 7 yr old girl that had nodules seen by x-rays. They surgically injected the nodules with antifungal medication, then they started seeing a positive results. I had been in touch with this family for a short period of time and haven't heard anything lately. Another one of those can'tbee's. KC There was an episode on CBS > > last night where a young man died from a mold infection in > > > his brain. It was really interesting how it was shot- the crime > > scene people were doing the > > > routine investigation, and they were pulled out of the house by > > guys in Haz-mat suits and > > > decontaminated in a tent put up outside the house. > > > > > > When they went back in, it was with masks,etc. They were looking > > for the source of the > > > mold, and sawed many holes in the walls until they got to the > spot > > where the water leak > > > was, which happened to be right where the air ducts were, which > > had a hole in them, etc... > > > > > > The guy's brain was grey with lots of gooey black stuff around > it. > > It oozed out of his eyes, > > > which is how the coroner discovered the mold right away during > the > > once-over exam. > > > > > > It was supposed to be a kind of mold that prefers human tissue, > > but normally people don't > > > get infected by it, as the immune system kicks it out. But this > > guy was a body builder > > > shooting steroids, which allowed the fungal infection to take > over > > his brain, through his > > > sinuses. > > > > > > Steroids are very bad news, esp combined with the conditions in > > housing nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Mark also was immunocompromised from many previous surgeries. So this didn't help either. KC > What this gentlemen had was > > mucormycosis, just like Mark Tatum, man without a face. I believe > it takes 3 fungi in order for mucormycosis to develope. > Mucor,rhizopus, Rhizomucor sp. These all work together in order to > form the infection. > > > > The Zygomycetous fungus is reported to be allergenic. It may cause > > mucormycosis in immune compromised individuals. It occupies a > > biological niche similar to Mucor sp. It is often linked to > > occupational allergy. The sites of infection are the lung, nasal > > sinus, brain, eye, and skin. Infection may have multiple sites. > > > > KC > > > Mark Tatum also found Stachy in his house. > At the time, I remember that we were speculating that the protein > synthesis inhibitors of Satratoxin may have been key in > macrophage " burst function " immunosuppression that allowed the > mucormycosis to proliferate. > Mark was extremely upset, and rightly so, that the surgeons were > quite willing to work to hard to save his life, but that doctors > were not willing to investigate the clues and research the cause. > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 About the carpets, I tried to clean mine for a long time, but it just made them worse. Getting wet, etc. So I ended up tearing them out, one by one, and my asthma improved with each carpet gone. I am thinking of getting a new one for the living room, one that is an area rug, that can be sent out for cleaning, and the floor can be cleaned under it. As far as the adrenals, I used some herbal remedies under the guidance of my trusted chiropractor. They really helped, and I took them for about a year or maybe a year and a half. I also had some problems with my liver, as it in instrumental in the detox of the mold inside the body, I was not surprised. I don't have to take them anymore, my body is much better now. If you would like more specifics, email me back channel. --- In , Rosser <rossercustomhomes@y...> wrote: > > I am going to try to wean off of them with the help of my NMD. If I do have cancer, I'm sure that did contribute lowering my immune system. Live & learn I guess. Loni > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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