Re: How to make the doc understand...

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I don't know, I don't think anyone can tell you but a good Dr, I

know those shots will make you sick- it would not in any way

compromise your health to stop them. I think almost all health

policies allow for a second opinion before surgery. You need some

one who does not have surgery on the brain to give you an

allternative view- Good luck- are you sure you have eliminated all

sources of continuing mold in you life?

>

> I have been sick for several months but most recently severe

sinus/cold issues for the past 8 weeks. In week three I finished

one antibiotic, in week five I finished two more antibiotics, the

second of two bottles of cough medicine, prednisone, and a script

for decongestant pills.

>

> Still not better, I returned to the doc last Thursday. He did a

cat scan (the first one was in March) and told me that I look worse

than I did in March; as a matter of fact he told me he has only seen

one other scan look worse than mine...ugh!

>

> He looked puzzled and asked me if I have been exposed to anymore

mold and I told him that I had not, except for the shots I give

myself every Sunday night...that he prescribed (immunotherapy to

desensitize my " allergy to mold " ).

>

> Well, he put me back on two super-antibiotics, prednisone

(again!), and a nasal steroid. He wants to do surgery as soon as

possible to remove the fungus that is growing in the sinus cavity.

>

> Weeks ago I gave him Dr. Shoemakers website and I took Mold

Warriors in with me. He wasn't interested. I am convinced that

these shots make sick and keep me sick and that prednisone is bad,

bad, bad for someone like me.

>

> He is my Workman's comp doctor so I can't really switch but what

can I do to make him understand and do the dang blood tests on me??

Will this surgery help me? I am scared of surgery!

>

> I am coughing like crazy now too and the cold weather just does

me in! I breathe it in and then I cough like mad and then I lose my

voice! I am so frustrated!! What does it take??? What have you

tried with your docs? I am not a fan of taking all these

antibiotics and steroids but when I don't I am miserable! I am at a

loss here...what do you recommend?

>

> J.

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[Guest guest]

,

I am not sure what state you are in, but you have the right to change doctors

whether or not if you are on WC. Call your local Workers Comp Comm. and ask

them. If you are not happy with the doctor they gave you, request another. Ask

them if they have one in Toxicology. Get the correct help you need now.

Sincerely,

Marcie

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

I don't know, I don't think anyone can tell you but a good Dr, I

know those shots will make you sick- it would not in any way

compromise your health to stop them. I think almost all health

policies allow for a second opinion before surgery. You need some

one who does not have surgery on the brain to give you an

allternative view- Good luck- are you sure you have eliminated all

sources of continuing mold in you life?

>

> I have been sick for several months but most recently severe

sinus/cold issues for the past 8 weeks. In week three I finished

one antibiotic, in week five I finished two more antibiotics, the

second of two bottles of cough medicine, prednisone, and a script

for decongestant pills.

>

> Still not better, I returned to the doc last Thursday. He did a

cat scan (the first one was in March) and told me that I look worse

than I did in March; as a matter of fact he told me he has only seen

one other scan look worse than mine...ugh!

>

> He looked puzzled and asked me if I have been exposed to anymore

mold and I told him that I had not, except for the shots I give

myself every Sunday night...that he prescribed (immunotherapy to

desensitize my " allergy to mold " ).

>

> Well, he put me back on two super-antibiotics, prednisone

(again!), and a nasal steroid. He wants to do surgery as soon as

possible to remove the fungus that is growing in the sinus cavity.

>

> Weeks ago I gave him Dr. Shoemakers website and I took Mold

Warriors in with me. He wasn't interested. I am convinced that

these shots make sick and keep me sick and that prednisone is bad,

bad, bad for someone like me.

>

> He is my Workman's comp doctor so I can't really switch but what

can I do to make him understand and do the dang blood tests on me??

Will this surgery help me? I am scared of surgery!

>

> I am coughing like crazy now too and the cold weather just does

me in! I breathe it in and then I cough like mad and then I lose my

voice! I am so frustrated!! What does it take??? What have you

tried with your docs? I am not a fan of taking all these

antibiotics and steroids but when I don't I am miserable! I am at a

loss here...what do you recommend?

>

> J.

>

>

>

> It does not require a majority to prevail,

> but rather an irate, tireless minority

> keen to set brush fires in people's minds.

> --

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Personals

> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.

> Lots of someones, actually. Personals

>

>

[Guest guest]

I ran into a similar situation but I persisted. The problem with doctors is

that many of them are too busy to put the time in to learn new things. HMOs

allocate them an average of 6-8 minutes per patient. If any one patient

demands more, they must give another patient less. That means you have to do

all the research on things yourself and basically package it for them.

Its a terrible situation, I know. Thats why people in other developed

nations are living longer than us now. American medicine - and especially,

our way of paying for healthcare, private insurance - which takes 30% off

the top, for what... That 30% would insure every uninsured person in this

nation. For free.

There is a fundamental conflict between the capirtalist system and medicine.

We end up in a situation that is akin to 'your money or your life'. 50% of

todays bankruptcies are because someone in a family gets sick.. they or a

caregiver who is the primary insured lose their job, then their home because

of it. " We fired you because you can't work, we dont care if you have xxx'.

Thats perfectly legal and it happens all the time. Plus, many businesses

wont hire those over 40 because of the cost of insuring them. This means

that many older people are finding that they cant find work at a level

commensurate with their skills. It will only get worse until we change it -

massively. The system is broken.

Its a big moneymaker for the corporate special interests, but the systejmis

broken . This should not happen. people should not be penalyzed because they

play by the rules. Corporate 'persons' interests should not be held above

the interests of real people. Despite all of their payments to politicians.

Plus, we shouldnt make people hostages to their jobs. It makes American

business far less competitive. If we had universal healthcare, many people

colud start their own businesses instead of staying at jobs they hated

because they are uninsurable affordably self-employed.

The healthcare machine is a dysfunctional money sucker that refuses to work

properly.. Political legislation and power is bought by these companies that

make so much off of people staying sick.. seriously..

Doctors are just pawns in this game and they know it. They are made to know

it. They are replaceable. In five or ten years, when you see a doctor, it

will probably be over a video hookup and the doctor will be in India..for

example.. Or the 'doctor' will be a computer.. (They follow rules and dont

try to get patients expensive anything.)

We are too, but many of us are in denial.. we DON't know it. We choose not

to realize it because its very disturbing. And that is even worse.

Take control of your situation. The doctors (at least theoretically) work

for you. If you cant make your doctor treat you properly, the number one

thing you need to do is start shopping around for another one.

On 12/5/05, J. <carrie_j00@...> wrote:

>

> I have been sick for several months but most recently severe sinus/cold

> issues for the past 8 weeks. In week three I finished one antibiotic, in

> week five I finished two more antibiotics, the second of two bottles of

> cough medicine, prednisone, and a script for decongestant pills.

>

> Still not better, I returned to the doc last Thursday. He did a cat

> scan (the first one was in March) and told me that I look worse than I did

> in March; as a matter of fact he told me he has only seen one other scan

> look worse than mine...ugh!

>

> He looked puzzled and asked me if I have been exposed to anymore mold

> and I told him that I had not, except for the shots I give myself every

> Sunday night...that he prescribed (immunotherapy to desensitize my " allergy

> to mold " ).

>

> Well, he put me back on two super-antibiotics, prednisone (again!), and

> a nasal steroid. He wants to do surgery as soon as possible to remove the

> fungus that is growing in the sinus cavity.

>

> Weeks ago I gave him Dr. Shoemakers website and I took Mold Warriors in

> with me. He wasn't interested. I am convinced that these shots make sick

> and keep me sick and that prednisone is bad, bad, bad for someone like me.

>

> He is my Workman's comp doctor so I can't really switch but what can I

> do to make him understand and do the dang blood tests on me?? Will this

> surgery help me? I am scared of surgery!

>

> I am coughing like crazy now too and the cold weather just does me

> in! I breathe it in and then I cough like mad and then I lose my voice! I

> am so frustrated!! What does it take??? What have you tried with your

> docs? I am not a fan of taking all these antibiotics and steroids but when

> I don't I am miserable! I am at a loss here...what do you recommend?

>

> J.

>

>

>

> It does not require a majority to prevail,

> but rather an irate, tireless minority

> keen to set brush fires in people's minds.

> --

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Personals

> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.

> Lots of someones, actually. Personals

>

>

[Guest guest]

> are you sure you have eliminated all

> sources of continuing mold in you life?

>

This is a very good question, both internally and externally. The external mold

will

continue to supply the body with sources of infection and worse. The internal

fungal

infection will continue to sicken you and make you more allergic. I think of it

as a cascade

type of reaction.

> > Still not better, I returned to the doc last Thursday. He did a

> cat scan (the first one was in March) and told me that I look worse

> than I did in March; as a matter of fact he told me he has only seen

> one other scan look worse than mine...ugh!

Well, DUH! if you don't give an antifungal for a fungal infection, what are you

going to get

except failure! I am on Diflucan, low dose, you can email me backchannel if you

want more

info on what is helping me so far.

I think ENT's (and most of the rest of the docs) are programmed to only think in

terms of

antibiotics and surgery. I guess the surgery might work to decrease the mold in

your

sinus, but shouldn't you try a round of antifungals first?

but then again, maybe not. When those little bugger die, they release all kinds

of nasty

stuff that can make a person very sick (look up Herxheimer Reaction). There are

several

things that can be done to help minimize it so you can get through it.

I think I heard that steroids make fungus grow. It can really make a fungal

infection really

bad, much worse than before. I believe it is by depressing the normal immune

reaction,

and it continues for awhile after stopping the drug.

Good luck. Your doc can learn more about fungal sinus infection by doing a

PubMed

search on the topic. It is a Gov't database of medical research. Mayo has been

publishing

on it since 1999.

> >

> > He looked puzzled and asked me if I have been exposed to anymore

> mold and I told him that I had not, except for the shots I give

> myself every Sunday night...that he prescribed (immunotherapy to

> desensitize my " allergy to mold " ).

> >

> > Well, he put me back on two super-antibiotics, prednisone

> (again!), and a nasal steroid. He wants to do surgery as soon as

> possible to remove the fungus that is growing in the sinus cavity.

[Guest guest]

Im convinced that the prednisone I took when my local guy didnt know

waht to do, gave me my mcs, which is now more debilitating than the mold

issues.

housebound and unable to be social with even my own kidsa nd husband

(moved out) Im sorry I ever had the prednisone. No inhaler, drug helped.

Avoidance helped. CSM and dr shoemaker helped, but i stopped it for a

while thinking it was depleting all my nutrients along with the toxins,

also it might be adding to my mcs, aspertame and all.

its your body.

stop all this stuff

and stay away from the triggers

see what your body does away from the triggers and off the medling meds.

J. wrote:

> I have been sick for several months but most recently severe

> sinus/cold issues for the past 8 weeks. In week three I finished one

> antibiotic, in week five I finished two more antibiotics, the second

> of two bottles of cough medicine, prednisone, and a script for

> decongestant pills.

>

> Still not better, I returned to the doc last Thursday. He did a cat

> scan (the first one was in March) and told me that I look worse than I

> did in March; as a matter of fact he told me he has only seen one

> other scan look worse than mine...ugh!

>

> He looked puzzled and asked me if I have been exposed to anymore

> mold and I told him that I had not, except for the shots I give myself

> every Sunday night...that he prescribed (immunotherapy to desensitize

> my " allergy to mold " ).

>

> Well, he put me back on two super-antibiotics, prednisone (again!),

> and a nasal steroid. He wants to do surgery as soon as possible to

> remove the fungus that is growing in the sinus cavity.

>

> Weeks ago I gave him Dr. Shoemakers website and I took Mold Warriors

> in with me. He wasn't interested. I am convinced that these shots

> make sick and keep me sick and that prednisone is bad, bad, bad for

> someone like me.

>

> He is my Workman's comp doctor so I can't really switch but what can

> I do to make him understand and do the dang blood tests on me?? Will

> this surgery help me? I am scared of surgery!

>

> I am coughing like crazy now too and the cold weather just does me

> in! I breathe it in and then I cough like mad and then I lose my

> voice! I am so frustrated!! What does it take??? What have you

> tried with your docs? I am not a fan of taking all these antibiotics

> and steroids but when I don't I am miserable! I am at a loss

> here...what do you recommend?

>

> J.

>

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