Re: GP sending me to a Pulmonary Specialist?

[Guest guest]

Just read Mold Warriors and it will tell you everything you need to

know!!!!! It explains the Biotoxin Pathway and lists all the blood work that

needs to

be done, even where to send it to!!

Sue

[Guest guest]

Yes, give her a copy of Mold Warriors. Anti -fungals will only help

if you have a fungal infection, you may only be suffering from

poisoning

>

> Hi. I had a lawyer say he might take my case. Yay.

> BUT, my doctor needs to make the mold connection for

> it to be worth it.

>

> I asked my General Physician to consider that some of

> my problems may be due to mold, instead of `Chronic

> Fatigue Syndrome', and she said that she didn't want

> to just give me endless supplies of anti-fungals, and

> to go and get a chest x-ray? and the mold should show

> up as problems in my lungs? And then make an

> appointment with a Pulmonary Specialist.

>

> How far off the mark is she? She also said she'd

> refer me to a different kind of specialist if I did

> the research and educated her about mold and

> ill-health.

>

> ???? Any advice?

>

> Thanks y'all,

>

> Harriet

>

>

>

> __________________________________________

> DSL – Something to write home about.

> Just $16.99/mo. or less.

> dsl.

>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know or getting treated with something other than CSM to chelate

these biotoxins out of the body???? There must be other ways. Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Yes, give her a copy of Mold

Warriors. Anti -fungals will only help

if you have a fungal infection, you may only be suffering from

poisoning

>

> Hi. I had a lawyer say he might take my case. Yay.

> BUT, my doctor needs to make the mold connection for

> it to be worth it.

>

> I asked my General Physician to consider that some of

> my problems may be due to mold, instead of `Chronic

> Fatigue Syndrome', and she said that she didn't want

> to just give me endless supplies of anti-fungals, and

> to go and get a chest x-ray? and the mold should show

> up as problems in my lungs? And then make an

> appointment with a Pulmonary Specialist.

>

> How far off the mark is she? She also said she'd

> refer me to a different kind of specialist if I did

> the research and educated her about mold and

> ill-health.

>

> ???? Any advice?

>

> Thanks y'all,

>

> Harriet

>

>

>

> __________________________________________

> DSL – Something to write home about.

> Just $16.99/mo. or less.

> dsl.

>

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Rosser wrote: Does anyone know or getting treated with something

other than CSM to chelate these biotoxins out of the body???? There must

be other ways. Loni

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

Some rely on psyllium husks. Tiny bits, its potent.

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[Guest guest]

Sue,

Tried to order the book from the library and it could not be done. Still

waiting to read it!!

Thanks,

Marcie

ssr3351@... wrote:

Just read Mold Warriors and it will tell you everything you need to

know!!!!! It explains the Biotoxin Pathway and lists all the blood work that

needs to

be done, even where to send it to!!

Sue

[Guest guest]

You can request that they order it: http://www.moldwarriors.com/

-Haley

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Sue,

Tried to order the book from the library and it could not be done. Still

waiting to read it!!

Thanks,

Marcie

ssr3351@... wrote:

Just read Mold Warriors and it will tell you everything you need to

know!!!!! It explains the Biotoxin Pathway and lists all the blood work that

needs to

be done, even where to send it to!!

Sue

[Guest guest]

Marcie, ask if they will order it for you!! They can get it directly from

the office,www.moldwarriors.com or amazon.com

Some of the teachers at my school are still reading it. As soon as they are

done you are welcome to borrow it.

Sue

You can request that they order it: http://www.moldwarriors.com/

-Haley

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Sue,

Tried to order the book from the library and it could not be done. Still

waiting to read it!!

Thanks,

Marcie

[Guest guest]

That's the hard part. You have to read the book and understand as much as

you can so you can explain the illness. Make an appointment with some

different Drs. and see if they are open minded enough to at least listen. It may

take

awhile but there has to be someone in your area that thinks outside their

little box!!!

Sue

How do you find a doctor in your area that follows Dr Shoe's protocol??? LOni

ssr3351@... wrote: Just read Mold Warriors and it will tell you

everything you need to

know!!!!! It explains the Biotoxin Pathway and lists all the blood work that

needs to

be done, even where to send it to!!

[Guest guest]

How do you find a doctor in your area that follows Dr Shoe's protocol??? LOni

ssr3351@... wrote: Just read Mold Warriors and it will tell you everything

you need to

know!!!!! It explains the Biotoxin Pathway and lists all the blood work that

needs to

be done, even where to send it to!!

Sue

[Guest guest]

Psyllium Husks would remove biotoxins??? That's a fiber. Hmmm. Loni

" J. Page " <apage1@...> wrote: Rosser wrote: Does anyone know

or getting treated with something

other than CSM to chelate these biotoxins out of the body???? There must

be other ways. Loni

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

Some rely on psyllium husks. Tiny bits, its potent.

--

Sick Librarian at dot Com

http://pagewebberink.com/~angie/

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

When I took my CSM 4X a day I would set my alarm and take it very early in

the AM sometimes even at 2 or 3AM. I mixed mine up in little kid type sippy

cups with the lids & straws removed. I left it in the bathroom or by my bed so

I

didn't have to mix or go to far for it. Then if you have any other meds to

take you can do that at least an hr. later. By mid morning or 1/2 hr.

before lunch I took another dose. Then another late afternoon or about an hr.

before dinner. finally the last one around 10PM. You can eat 1/2 hr. after

taking CSM or wait an hr. after eating. taking other medication is the same.

I also use the little sippy cups to take it with me where ever I go. One

with the CSM and one with water. Mix them up before you go out then throw them

in a plastic lunch bag and you're ready to to.

Hope that helps.

Sue

BTW, (thank God), I started CSM yesterday, will let people know if it is

helping in a couple weeks.

It is definitely doing something. How do people take it on an empty stomach

four times a day. (Two seems as if thats the most you can when your stomach

is actually really empty)

[Guest guest]

Marcie,

if you want to e-mail me off-line your address, I will send you my

copy of Mold Warriors, or have KC send me your address

>

> Sue,

> Tried to order the book from the library and it could not be

done. Still waiting to read it!!

> Thanks,

> Marcie

>

> ssr3351@a... wrote:

> Just read Mold Warriors and it will tell you everything you

need to

> know!!!!! It explains the Biotoxin Pathway and lists all the blood

work that needs to

> be done, even where to send it to!!

>

> Sue

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I vaguely remembering that activated charcoal and/or 'pectin' could help

with some biotoxins in some contexts. But use that info as a starting

point, don't rely on this information.

BTW, (thank God), I started CSM yesterday, will let people know if it is

helping in a couple weeks.

It is definitely doing something. How do people take it on an empty stomach

four times a day. (Two seems as if thats the most you can when your stomach

is actually really empty)

My rx is for twice a day.. as well..

On 12/3/05, carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

>

> Marcie,

> if you want to e-mail me off-line your address, I will send you my

> copy of Mold Warriors, or have KC send me your address

>

> >

> > Sue,

> > Tried to order the book from the library and it could not be

> done. Still waiting to read it!!

> > Thanks,

> > Marcie

> >

> > ssr3351@a... wrote:

> > Just read Mold Warriors and it will tell you everything you

> need to

> > know!!!!! It explains the Biotoxin Pathway and lists all the blood

> work that needs to

> > be done, even where to send it to!!

> >

> > Sue

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Does CSM also lower cholesterol. Is this something that you would take the rest

of your life? Loni

ssr3351@... wrote: When I took my CSM 4X a day I would set my alarm and

take it very early in

the AM sometimes even at 2 or 3AM. I mixed mine up in little kid type sippy

cups with the lids & straws removed. I left it in the bathroom or by my bed so

I

didn't have to mix or go to far for it. Then if you have any other meds to

take you can do that at least an hr. later. By mid morning or 1/2 hr.

before lunch I took another dose. Then another late afternoon or about an hr.

before dinner. finally the last one around 10PM. You can eat 1/2 hr. after

taking CSM or wait an hr. after eating. taking other medication is the same.

I also use the little sippy cups to take it with me where ever I go. One

with the CSM and one with water. Mix them up before you go out then throw them

in a plastic lunch bag and you're ready to to.

Hope that helps.

Sue

BTW, (thank God), I started CSM yesterday, will let people know if it is

helping in a couple weeks.

It is definitely doing something. How do people take it on an empty stomach

four times a day. (Two seems as if thats the most you can when your stomach

is actually really empty)

[Guest guest]

Does CSM also lower cholesterol. Is this something that you would take the

rest of your life? My cholesterol is low so I guess I would not be lucky enough

to be able to take this. Loni

ssr3351@... wrote: When I took my CSM 4X a day I would set my alarm and

take it very early in

the AM sometimes even at 2 or 3AM. I mixed mine up in little kid type sippy

cups with the lids & straws removed. I left it in the bathroom or by my bed so

I

didn't have to mix or go to far for it. Then if you have any other meds to

take you can do that at least an hr. later. By mid morning or 1/2 hr.

before lunch I took another dose. Then another late afternoon or about an hr.

before dinner. finally the last one around 10PM. You can eat 1/2 hr. after

taking CSM or wait an hr. after eating. taking other medication is the same.

I also use the little sippy cups to take it with me where ever I go. One

with the CSM and one with water. Mix them up before you go out then throw them

in a plastic lunch bag and you're ready to to.

Hope that helps.

Sue

BTW, (thank God), I started CSM yesterday, will let people know if it is

helping in a couple weeks.

It is definitely doing something. How do people take it on an empty stomach

four times a day. (Two seems as if thats the most you can when your stomach

is actually really empty)

[Guest guest]

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote: Psyllium Husks would remove

biotoxins??? That's a fiber. Hmmm. Loni

" J. Page " <apage1@...> wrote: Rosser wrote: Does anyone know

or getting treated with something

other than CSM to chelate these biotoxins out of the body???? There must

be other ways. Loni

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

Some rely on psyllium husks. Tiny bits, its potent.

--

Sick Librarian at dot Com

http://pagewebberink.com/~angie/

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote: Psyllium Husks would remove

biotoxins??? That's a fiber. Hmmm. Loni

" J. Page " <apage1@...> wrote: Rosser wrote: Does anyone know

or getting treated with something

other than CSM to chelate these biotoxins out of the body???? There must

be other ways. Loni

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

Some rely on psyllium husks. Tiny bits, its potent.

--

Sick Librarian at dot Com

http://pagewebberink.com/~angie/

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Sue, this is *exactly* what I need to know..

Has anyone noticed that it seems to (maybe) release some toxins in you while

it works? (or something) because I have found it makes it hard to sleep. But

if I need to take it at night as well as day to get as many mycotoxins out

of me, as I can quickly, I will. Gladly.

Maybe its wishful thinking but I was thinking today that I def feel a little

bit better even though its just the third day.. Not getting the ringing in

my ears at the usual time either.. (although that may be the fact that it

rained the other day and that its colder which may have cut down on the mold

for a time)

Thank you everyone for the GOOD advice I have gotten from all of you.

On 12/3/05, ssr3351@... <ssr3351@...> wrote:

>

> When I took my CSM 4X a day I would set my alarm and take it very early in

> the AM sometimes even at 2 or 3AM. I mixed mine up in little kid type

> sippy

> cups with the lids & straws removed. I left it in the bathroom or by my

> bed so I

> didn't have to mix or go to far for it. Then if you have any other meds

> to

> take you can do that at least an hr. later. By mid morning or 1/2 hr.

> before lunch I took another dose. Then another late afternoon or about

> an hr.

> before dinner. finally the last one around 10PM. You can eat 1/2 hr.

> after

> taking CSM or wait an hr. after eating. taking other medication is

> the same.

>

> I also use the little sippy cups to take it with me where ever I go. One

> with the CSM and one with water. Mix them up before you go out then

> throw them

> in a plastic lunch bag and you're ready to to.

>

> Hope that helps.

> Sue

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

CSM does grab cholesterol- I don't see any reason you can not de-tox

with it for several weeks- Dr Shoe gives it to all for that length

of time

When I took my CSM 4X a day I would set my

alarm and take it very early in

> the AM sometimes even at 2 or 3AM. I mixed mine up in little kid

type sippy

> cups with the lids & straws removed. I left it in the bathroom or

by my bed so I

> didn't have to mix or go to far for it. Then if you have any

other meds to

> take you can do that at least an hr. later. By mid morning or 1/2

hr.

> before lunch I took another dose. Then another late afternoon or

about an hr.

> before dinner. finally the last one around 10PM. You can eat

1/2 hr. after

> taking CSM or wait an hr. after eating. taking other medication is

the same.

>

> I also use the little sippy cups to take it with me where ever I

go. One

> with the CSM and one with water. Mix them up before you go out

then throw them

> in a plastic lunch bag and you're ready to to.

>

> Hope that helps.

> Sue

>

> BTW, (thank God), I started CSM yesterday, will let people know

if it is

> helping in a couple weeks.

> It is definitely doing something. How do people take it on an

empty stomach

> four times a day. (Two seems as if thats the most you can when

your stomach

> is actually really empty)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Serena, I am half way through the book & have not seen him discuss alternatives

to CSM for removing the mycotoxins at all. I am reading now about different

stories of mold illnesses. No one has discussed using anything else on this

board. I think you should refrain from judging me. I'm really sick like alot of

people here & just looking for answers. Loni

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Loni, it's been suggested to you

several times now by several different members that you read Mold Warriors. I

recall that you said you do have a copy, and that you intended to read it. If

you do read it I think you will find that most, if not all, of your questions

will be answered. Then you will have a grounding and a place from which to

explore possible alternatives, if that is what you want to do. You should

remember that not all of the people who tell you they are taking CSM have ever

seen Dr. Shoemaker or even had all the lab work done. Some have seen Dr.

Shoemaker, but don't follow the protocol as given. Some will discuss treatments

that Dr. Shoemaker is giving them which may not apply to you at all. You won't

have any ability to know what is what until you get more information, and it's

way too much information to deliver on a chat board.

In any case, if you want the real information, it is all right there in the

book.

Best to you,

Serena

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote:

Does CSM also lower cholesterol. Is this something that you would take the

rest of your life? My cholesterol is low so I guess I would not be lucky enough

to be able to take this. Loni

ssr3351@... wrote: When I took my CSM 4X a day I would set my alarm and

take it very early in

the AM sometimes even at 2 or 3AM. I mixed mine up in little kid type sippy

cups with the lids & straws removed. I left it in the bathroom or by my bed so

I

didn't have to mix or go to far for it. Then if you have any other meds to

take you can do that at least an hr. later. By mid morning or 1/2 hr.

before lunch I took another dose. Then another late afternoon or about an hr.

before dinner. finally the last one around 10PM. You can eat 1/2 hr. after

taking CSM or wait an hr. after eating. taking other medication is the same.

I also use the little sippy cups to take it with me where ever I go. One

with the CSM and one with water. Mix them up before you go out then throw them

in a plastic lunch bag and you're ready to to.

Hope that helps.

Sue

BTW, (thank God), I started CSM yesterday, will let people know if it is

helping in a couple weeks.

It is definitely doing something. How do people take it on an empty stomach

four times a day. (Two seems as if thats the most you can when your stomach

is actually really empty)

[Guest guest]

Thanks , So it's not a long term thing. Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: CSM does grab cholesterol- I don't

see any reason you can not de-tox

with it for several weeks- Dr Shoe gives it to all for that length

of time

When I took my CSM 4X a day I would set my

alarm and take it very early in

> the AM sometimes even at 2 or 3AM. I mixed mine up in little kid

type sippy

> cups with the lids & straws removed. I left it in the bathroom or

by my bed so I

> didn't have to mix or go to far for it. Then if you have any

other meds to

> take you can do that at least an hr. later. By mid morning or 1/2

hr.

> before lunch I took another dose. Then another late afternoon or

about an hr.

> before dinner. finally the last one around 10PM. You can eat

1/2 hr. after

> taking CSM or wait an hr. after eating. taking other medication is

the same.

>

> I also use the little sippy cups to take it with me where ever I

go. One

> with the CSM and one with water. Mix them up before you go out

then throw them

> in a plastic lunch bag and you're ready to to.

>

> Hope that helps.

> Sue

>

> BTW, (thank God), I started CSM yesterday, will let people know

if it is

> helping in a couple weeks.

> It is definitely doing something. How do people take it on an

empty stomach

> four times a day. (Two seems as if thats the most you can when

your stomach

> is actually really empty)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I already did that and recieved a letter stating they could not get it. Have no

idea why.

Marcie

ssr3351@... wrote:

Marcie, ask if they will order it for you!! They can get it directly from

the office,www.moldwarriors.com or amazon.com

Some of the teachers at my school are still reading it. As soon as they are

done you are welcome to borrow it.

Sue

You can request that they order it: http://www.moldwarriors.com/

-Haley

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Sue,

Tried to order the book from the library and it could not be done. Still

waiting to read it!!

Thanks,

Marcie

[Guest guest]

Not to worry, will send you my copy tomorrow, I am finished with it-

or rather my friends and Drs are tired of being beat over the head

with it and would appreciate a break

> Sue,

> Tried to order the book from the library and it could not be

done. Still

> waiting to read it!!

> Thanks,

> Marcie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ssr3351@... wrote: Yes, CSM is a medication used to lower cholesterol but

Dr. Shoemaker uses it

to remove toxins

I have had CFS for 30 years and I think the mold started two years ago. Before

mold, I was on a stealth virus list which Dr Shoemaker posted often. I first

learned of CSM Before the mold and I took it for about three months. I think I

bought it from a pharmacy in the east. It didn't help my CFS symptoms, he

thought it might help for the ciguatera epitope which has been found in the

blood of PWC's (people with CFS). I have not taken it since the mold symptoms

started. Does it work to remove mold and other fungus?

I got a presciption from my CFS doc in Dallas back then. I have forgotten what

the prescription needs to be for and the pharmacy that Dr Shoemaker had make CSM

without sugar. Will someone plese tell me what I need the prescription to say

and where to fax it?

I am leaving the KOA in Van Horn in the morning and heading back to my mobile

home. It is much different here now than whenn I was here in the fall. Very

windy, dusty and cold at night. I bought 7 more of the ozone lite bulbs today to

be shipped to my mobile home and hope they will be there when I arrive. I will

try them and be getting my personal things out in case I get ill again and I can

put it up for sale then leave!! My CFS doc trust me and will usually give me a

prescription for something but he is back in the Dallas area so hopefully I can

get a script for CSM when I return. I once got Dr Shoemake to send me his

paperwork he wanted filled out before an appointment. That was so complicated

that everytime I started trying to fill out, I got a headache and I finally gave

up. I ordered his book but then left and it was returned to Amazon. Will someone

please tell me if there are things my CFS doc can treat me with besides CSM?

Bob

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[Guest guest]

Thank you. My concern is that it would lower my cholesterol too much because it

is already low 127. So I was hoping that there was an alternative to taking the

toxins out of the body. Mold Warriors does not really talk about any

alternatives that I can see. Has anyone out there been successful with something

else? Maybe I could take it short term but first I need to find a doc to

precribe. Did you find that it did lower your cholesterol & how much? Thanks

for the info. Loni

ssr3351@... wrote:

Yes, CSM is a medication used to lower cholesterol but Dr. Shoemaker uses it

to remove toxins and it does an excellent job. I have been a patient of his

for 2 yrs. and now take it 2X a day unless I've had an exposure then it's up

to 4X a day for a week!

Does CSM also lower cholesterol. Is this something that you would take the

rest of your life? Loni