Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Some are reported as present or absent, and are not associated with pain. The anterior drawer of the ankle and knee is an example. There are positive with increase excursion compared to the asymptomatic side. Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP '08 US Olympic Team Chiropractor ACA Sports Council, President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of g macdonald Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: WNL and Ortho testing Hello All, Maybe a DABCO could answer this or anyone else that wants a stab at it. Doing orthopedic testing, if I remember correctly, is not reported as " within normal limits " (WNL) since what the heck does that mean anyway? I thought they were reported as + for pain or - for pain and report the pain type and location. Would that not be more descriptive then WNL? Anyone care to help me with this....... Garreth Mac Eugene OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Correct....for the most part.....tests are generally "positive" or "negative" signs are either "present" or "absent." I believe it is also best especially when using the many eponyms, to either describe what you are doing to the patient or having them do during the test or to describe the significance of the test when positive or both. The rational is that the claims examiner or nurse consultants usually don't learn all these names in their training and at least by doing this they will know anatomically where the heck you are and some sense of what the heck you are doing. Vern Saboe WNL and Ortho testing Hello All,Maybe a DABCO could answer this or anyone else that wants a stab at it.Doing orthopedic testing, if I remember correctly, is not reported as "within normal limits" (WNL) since what the heck does that mean anyway? I thought they were reported as + for pain or - for pain and report the pain type and location. Would that not be more descriptive then WNL?Anyone care to help me with this.......Garreth MacEugene OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I agree with Vern. I even say " crossed-leg " testing instead of Fabre test, etc., or use simple terms to describe the test rather than a medical moniker so the lay person who may be reading the report will know what you did. I forget which older orthopod here in town did that as well, but it was cool to see a medical doc who was down-to-earth and didn't need to impress anyone with the use of big terms. Lyndon McGill, D.C. Salem, Oregon Vern Saboe wrote: > > Correct....for the most part.....tests are generally " positive " or > " negative " signs are either " present " or " absent. " I believe it is > also best especially when using the many eponyms, to either describe > what you are doing to the patient or having them do during the test or > to describe the significance of the test when positive or both. The > rational is that the claims examiner or nurse consultants usually > don't learn all these names in their training and at least by doing > this they will know anatomically where the heck you are and some sense > of what the heck you are doing. > > Vern Saboe > > > * WNL and Ortho testing > > Hello All, > > Maybe a DABCO could answer this or anyone else that wants a stab > at it. > > Doing orthopedic testing, if I remember correctly, is not reported > as " within normal limits " (WNL) since what the heck does that mean > anyway? I thought they were reported as + for pain or - for pain > and report the pain type and location. Would that not be more > descriptive then WNL? > > Anyone care to help me with this....... > > Garreth Mac > Eugene OR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I use WNL in regards to nerve root testing of muscles and dermatomes. Ortho, DTR's etc. should be given a value. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta St. PDX, OR 97211www.spinetreepdx.com WNL and Ortho testing Hello All,Maybe a DABCO could answer this or anyone else that wants a stab at it.Doing orthopedic testing, if I remember correctly, is not reported as "within normal limits" (WNL) since what the heck does that mean anyway? I thought they were reported as + for pain or - for pain and report the pain type and location. Would that not be more descriptive then WNL?Anyone care to help me with this.......Garreth MacEugene OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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