Re: ACAAI: Data lacking on toxic mould syndrome

[Guest guest]

But when it happens in warfare, that's biological warfare? What about all

the people who have invasive aspergillus.. (not just immunocompromised) What

about the people who have been going to moldy schools who have been proven

to learn more slowly. (quite a few studies) This article smacks of junk

science. Who paid for their grant?

BTW, there is a WAR going on in this country (and there has been for a long

time) on science.

Mold being, as it is, related to global climate change, it is part of that

war.. So don't expect the mainstream establishment to play fair or tell the

truth.. Seriously..

On 12/13/05, Kim <kimallen@...> wrote:

>

> http://www.medicalpost.com/mpcontent/article.jsp?

> content=20051212_193258_5568

>

> ACAAI: Data lacking on toxic mould syndrome

>

> Review of diagnosed cases shows almost all have alternative medical

> or psychiatric explanations

>

> By Schieszer

>

> ANAHEIM, CALIF. | The majority of patients who think they have toxic

> mould syndrome actually don't. In fact, inhalation toxicity continues

> to cause public concern despite a lack of scientific evidence that

> supports its existence, say researchers in Oregon.

>

> " Based on our findings, no case definition is possible for so-called

> toxic mould syndrome, " said Dr. Emil Bardana, professor of medicine

> at Oregon Health and Science University in Portland.

>

> " Fungal contamination of a residence does not necessarily constitute

> an abnormal exposure. The presence of fungal allergen sensitivity

> proves prior exposure, but not necessarily a symptomatic state.

> Because moulds are encountered both indoors and outdoors, it is

> almost impossible to determine where the sensitivity arose. "

>

> He said specific toxicity due to inhaled moulds, including the role

> of Stachybotrys in building-related illness, has not been

> scientifically established by any published study.

>

> Dr. Bardana and his colleagues conducted a retrospective review of 50

> individuals who claimed compensation for toxic mould disease. The

> researchers found that in all 50 cases there were alternative medical

> and/or psychiatric explanations for the claimed illnesses.

>

> Overall, the researchers found only two of the 50 subjects even had

> evidence of mould-related allergic disease attributable to their home

> or workplace. Dr. Bardana said 17 complained of nonspecific irritant

> symptoms that could not be linked to mould exposure. These included

> headache, irritability, cognitive impairment and fatigue.

>

> Moulds typically cited as causing psychological or cognitive problems

> are Stachybotrys chartarum, Aspergillus, Fusarium, and Penicillium.

> Physical symptoms may include sleep deprivation, loss of appetite,

> fatigue, headaches, dizziness, vague aches and pains, and respiratory

> problems. Psychological and cognitive symptoms include irritability,

> panic, anxiety, poor concentration and confusion.

>

> Fungi, including moulds, are spore-producing organisms that comprise

> approximately 25% of the Earth's biomass and function as decomposers

> of organic material, said Dr. Weber, professor of medicine at

> National Jewish Medical and Research Centre in Denver, Colo. He said

> only about 80 of the 1.5 million species of fungi are known to be

> allergenic.

>

> Dr. Weber, who spoke here at a scientific forum on the health effects

> of mould, said the most common fungi found in homes include

> Cladosporium, Asper-gillus, Penicillium, Alternaria, basidiospores,

> Chaetomium, Periconia and Stachybotry.

>

> " Indoor levels of airborne fungi are generally below outdoor levels

> of similar species in a well-constructed home without water damage.

> We have found 30% to 70% of recovered indoor spores come from outside

> sources, " said Dr. Weber. " There are tons of moulds that we are

> exposed to every day in our homes and outside, and the question is

> what is an abnormal exposure. "

>

> He said there are no thresholds that have been established for

> Cladosporium or Penicillium for causing any specific illnesses. Dr.

> Weber said many patients attribute physical and psychological

> symptoms they experience to mould exposure when the symptoms are

> actually being caused by other factors. He said misinformation by the

> media and even physicians may be contributing to this problem.

>

> " There are well-defined problems that people can get into with

> (mould) exposures, " said Dr. Weber in an interview. " However, are

> mould toxins as big a problem as we think they may be? The problem is

> we just don't know. There is not enough information and there are

> also not enough good ways of assessing the impact of some of these

> toxins on patients. "

>

> It is well-documented that sensitivity to fungi may be prevalent in

> asthmatics. Increased outdoor fungal spore counts have been

> associated with increased asthma emergency room visits and

> hospitalizations. In mould-sensitive patients, immunotherapy has been

> found to be effective in several double-blind, placebo-controlled

> trials.

>

> " Although there are hundreds of thousands of species of fungi,

> allergen extract availability is limited to a relatively small number

> of fungi, including the two most prevalent outdoor fungi, Alternaria

> and Cladosporium, " said Dr. Harold , professor of medicine at

> the National Jewish Medical and Research Centre and University of

> Colorado Health Science Centre in Denver.

>

> " Immunotherapy should be limited to those patients with documented

> sensitivity to fungus, whose symptoms occur during periods of high

> atmospheric exposure to that fungus, and environmental control is not

> possible. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am SO tired of hearing from this jerk Bardana! He really has these reporters

snowed. Do they not get that this guy goes out of his way to make these claims

because he's also a highly paid defense witness? Apparently, he doesn't tell

them that part. Hmmmm.

So here's a little hint - even if you don't write back to the reporters who

spread this guy's nonsense, you can respond online, every single time you see

his spewage quoted. The indexing engines pick it up, and whenever another

reporter gets off their lazy, no-research-doing butts and actually googles him,

they'll see your comments as well.

Bardana is full of...fungus, if he thinks he can continue to do this without

being confronted about it. Every time he tells his little fantasy story in a

courtroom, someone else's health and well-being is jeopardized by a guy who's

getting paid to do it to them. Swell guy. I bet he sleeps better at night than

the people he harms, the creep.

Kim <kimallen@...> wrote:

http://www.medicalpost.com/mpcontent/article.jsp?

content=20051212_193258_5568

ACAAI: Data lacking on toxic mould syndrome

Review of diagnosed cases shows almost all have alternative medical

or psychiatric explanations

By Schieszer

ANAHEIM, CALIF. | The majority of patients who think they have toxic

mould syndrome actually don't. In fact, inhalation toxicity continues

to cause public concern despite a lack of scientific evidence that

supports its existence, say researchers in Oregon.

" Based on our findings, no case definition is possible for so-called

toxic mould syndrome, " said Dr. Emil Bardana, professor of medicine

at Oregon Health and Science University in Portland.

" Fungal contamination of a residence does not necessarily constitute

an abnormal exposure. The presence of fungal allergen sensitivity

proves prior exposure, but not necessarily a symptomatic state.

Because moulds are encountered both indoors and outdoors, it is

almost impossible to determine where the sensitivity arose. "

He said specific toxicity due to inhaled moulds, including the role

of Stachybotrys in building-related illness, has not been

scientifically established by any published study.

Dr. Bardana and his colleagues conducted a retrospective review of 50

individuals who claimed compensation for toxic mould disease. The

researchers found that in all 50 cases there were alternative medical

and/or psychiatric explanations for the claimed illnesses.

Overall, the researchers found only two of the 50 subjects even had

evidence of mould-related allergic disease attributable to their home

or workplace. Dr. Bardana said 17 complained of nonspecific irritant

symptoms that could not be linked to mould exposure. These included

headache, irritability, cognitive impairment and fatigue.

Moulds typically cited as causing psychological or cognitive problems

are Stachybotrys chartarum, Aspergillus, Fusarium, and Penicillium.

Physical symptoms may include sleep deprivation, loss of appetite,

fatigue, headaches, dizziness, vague aches and pains, and respiratory

problems. Psychological and cognitive symptoms include irritability,

panic, anxiety, poor concentration and confusion.

Fungi, including moulds, are spore-producing organisms that comprise

approximately 25% of the Earth's biomass and function as decomposers

of organic material, said Dr. Weber, professor of medicine at

National Jewish Medical and Research Centre in Denver, Colo. He said

only about 80 of the 1.5 million species of fungi are known to be

allergenic.

Dr. Weber, who spoke here at a scientific forum on the health effects

of mould, said the most common fungi found in homes include

Cladosporium, Asper-gillus, Penicillium, Alternaria, basidiospores,

Chaetomium, Periconia and Stachybotry.

" Indoor levels of airborne fungi are generally below outdoor levels

of similar species in a well-constructed home without water damage.

We have found 30% to 70% of recovered indoor spores come from outside

sources, " said Dr. Weber. " There are tons of moulds that we are

exposed to every day in our homes and outside, and the question is

what is an abnormal exposure. "

He said there are no thresholds that have been established for

Cladosporium or Penicillium for causing any specific illnesses. Dr.

Weber said many patients attribute physical and psychological

symptoms they experience to mould exposure when the symptoms are

actually being caused by other factors. He said misinformation by the

media and even physicians may be contributing to this problem.

" There are well-defined problems that people can get into with

(mould) exposures, " said Dr. Weber in an interview. " However, are

mould toxins as big a problem as we think they may be? The problem is

we just don't know. There is not enough information and there are

also not enough good ways of assessing the impact of some of these

toxins on patients. "

It is well-documented that sensitivity to fungi may be prevalent in

asthmatics. Increased outdoor fungal spore counts have been

associated with increased asthma emergency room visits and

hospitalizations. In mould-sensitive patients, immunotherapy has been

found to be effective in several double-blind, placebo-controlled

trials.

" Although there are hundreds of thousands of species of fungi,

allergen extract availability is limited to a relatively small number

of fungi, including the two most prevalent outdoor fungi, Alternaria

and Cladosporium, " said Dr. Harold , professor of medicine at

the National Jewish Medical and Research Centre and University of

Colorado Health Science Centre in Denver.

" Immunotherapy should be limited to those patients with documented

sensitivity to fungus, whose symptoms occur during periods of high

atmospheric exposure to that fungus, and environmental control is not

possible. "

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

There may be a special place being reserved for Dr Bardana, a very hot and

uncomfortable

place.

[Guest guest]

i just wrote bardana a letter......let's see if i get a response.

victoria

Re: [] ACAAI: Data lacking on toxic mould syndrome

>I am SO tired of hearing from this jerk Bardana! He really has these

>reporters snowed. Do they not get that this guy goes out of his way to make

>these claims because he's also a highly paid defense witness? Apparently,

>he doesn't tell them that part. Hmmmm.

>

> So here's a little hint - even if you don't write back to the reporters

> who spread this guy's nonsense, you can respond online, every single time

> you see his spewage quoted. The indexing engines pick it up, and whenever

> another reporter gets off their lazy, no-research-doing butts and actually

> googles him, they'll see your comments as well.

>

> Bardana is full of...fungus, if he thinks he can continue to do this

> without being confronted about it. Every time he tells his little fantasy

> story in a courtroom, someone else's health and well-being is jeopardized

> by a guy who's getting paid to do it to them. Swell guy. I bet he sleeps

> better at night than the people he harms, the creep.

>

> Kim <kimallen@...> wrote:

> http://www.medicalpost.com/mpcontent/article.jsp?

> content=20051212_193258_5568

>

> ACAAI: Data lacking on toxic mould syndrome

>

> Review of diagnosed cases shows almost all have alternative medical

> or psychiatric explanations

>

> By Schieszer

>

> ANAHEIM, CALIF. | The majority of patients who think they have toxic

> mould syndrome actually don't. In fact, inhalation toxicity continues

> to cause public concern despite a lack of scientific evidence that

> supports its existence, say researchers in Oregon.

>

> " Based on our findings, no case definition is possible for so-called

> toxic mould syndrome, " said Dr. Emil Bardana, professor of medicine

> at Oregon Health and Science University in Portland.

>

> " Fungal contamination of a residence does not necessarily constitute

> an abnormal exposure. The presence of fungal allergen sensitivity

> proves prior exposure, but not necessarily a symptomatic state.

> Because moulds are encountered both indoors and outdoors, it is

> almost impossible to determine where the sensitivity arose. "

>

> He said specific toxicity due to inhaled moulds, including the role

> of Stachybotrys in building-related illness, has not been

> scientifically established by any published study.

>

> Dr. Bardana and his colleagues conducted a retrospective review of 50

> individuals who claimed compensation for toxic mould disease. The

> researchers found that in all 50 cases there were alternative medical

> and/or psychiatric explanations for the claimed illnesses.

>

> Overall, the researchers found only two of the 50 subjects even had

> evidence of mould-related allergic disease attributable to their home

> or workplace. Dr. Bardana said 17 complained of nonspecific irritant

> symptoms that could not be linked to mould exposure. These included

> headache, irritability, cognitive impairment and fatigue.

>

> Moulds typically cited as causing psychological or cognitive problems

> are Stachybotrys chartarum, Aspergillus, Fusarium, and Penicillium.

> Physical symptoms may include sleep deprivation, loss of appetite,

> fatigue, headaches, dizziness, vague aches and pains, and respiratory

> problems. Psychological and cognitive symptoms include irritability,

> panic, anxiety, poor concentration and confusion.

>

> Fungi, including moulds, are spore-producing organisms that comprise

> approximately 25% of the Earth's biomass and function as decomposers

> of organic material, said Dr. Weber, professor of medicine at

> National Jewish Medical and Research Centre in Denver, Colo. He said

> only about 80 of the 1.5 million species of fungi are known to be

> allergenic.

>

> Dr. Weber, who spoke here at a scientific forum on the health effects

> of mould, said the most common fungi found in homes include

> Cladosporium, Asper-gillus, Penicillium, Alternaria, basidiospores,

> Chaetomium, Periconia and Stachybotry.

>

> " Indoor levels of airborne fungi are generally below outdoor levels

> of similar species in a well-constructed home without water damage.

> We have found 30% to 70% of recovered indoor spores come from outside

> sources, " said Dr. Weber. " There are tons of moulds that we are

> exposed to every day in our homes and outside, and the question is

> what is an abnormal exposure. "

>

> He said there are no thresholds that have been established for

> Cladosporium or Penicillium for causing any specific illnesses. Dr.

> Weber said many patients attribute physical and psychological

> symptoms they experience to mould exposure when the symptoms are

> actually being caused by other factors. He said misinformation by the

> media and even physicians may be contributing to this problem.

>

> " There are well-defined problems that people can get into with

> (mould) exposures, " said Dr. Weber in an interview. " However, are

> mould toxins as big a problem as we think they may be? The problem is

> we just don't know. There is not enough information and there are

> also not enough good ways of assessing the impact of some of these

> toxins on patients. "

>

> It is well-documented that sensitivity to fungi may be prevalent in

> asthmatics. Increased outdoor fungal spore counts have been

> associated with increased asthma emergency room visits and

> hospitalizations. In mould-sensitive patients, immunotherapy has been

> found to be effective in several double-blind, placebo-controlled

> trials.

>

> " Although there are hundreds of thousands of species of fungi,

> allergen extract availability is limited to a relatively small number

> of fungi, including the two most prevalent outdoor fungi, Alternaria

> and Cladosporium, " said Dr. Harold , professor of medicine at

> the National Jewish Medical and Research Centre and University of

> Colorado Health Science Centre in Denver.

>

> " Immunotherapy should be limited to those patients with documented

> sensitivity to fungus, whose symptoms occur during periods of high

> atmospheric exposure to that fungus, and environmental control is not

> possible. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The name of this *single* 'disease' should serve to illuminate (as should

the proposal implicit that there is only one kind of 'toxic mold' poisoning)

At one point I started writing down the various mycotoxins in a journal I

keep and the molds that could contain them, and their effects. It was pretty

much impossible to keep track of on paper. However, a database would be up

to the task. Has anyone built such a database?

[Guest guest]

Many of the people here are pretty aware that there is clearly a war of

sorts being fought against people who are involved with fighting for

mold-free schools, homes, etc. But most of us seem almost painfully naiive

about just how broad and well-organized this WAR on environmental science OF

ALL KINDS is and just how pervasive and influential it is.

The other day I was listening to Bill Moyers speech on the occasion of the

25th anniversary of the founding of the National Security Archive (

nsarchive.gwu.edu) on CSPAN, and I heard something that made me think about

the mold battle. Did you know that the current administration has been

involved in the national battle to downplay the effects of toxic LEAD

contamination in schools, homes etc. (it has similar effects to mold, most

specifically in adults being hindering their ability to learn new

information.)

Now Bill Moyers, being, who he is, has a LOT of credibility for me.. He

didn't get specific about the source of that data, but I am not going to

question him on that.

Its pretty clear to me that this country is in essence WAGING A WAR ON

ORDINARY PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY THE POOR.

You may not agree with me, but thats the way I see it. Right now its just

mold, lead, toxics, etc. But it could get much worse than that. Especially

when there are very few jobs left for ordinary people due to technology.

(that day may come sooner than we realize)

We need to stop it before we devolve into something akin to genocide.

Don't forget, this country was founded on the backs of ordinary people.

People of all nations who came here to build, together, a NATION. Don't let

a very FEW rich white men STEAL that away from us in their greed...

Fighting mold is fighting FASCISM. Fascism is the arrogance of the wost

kinds of big business doing whatever it wants to, with the end always

justifying the means. If the 20th century's madness taught us anything it

should be that mankind is capable of incredible brutality if introduced to

it little by little. We are already very familiar with the 'blame the

messenger' SYNDROME. Well, it could get much worse. I have a bunch of PDFs I

collected a few months ago when I was doing research on genetic

discrimination in insurance companies (its really scary) - basically, the

whole push for sequencing the human genome and medical IT is a precursor to

the REAL plan, classifying all of us by our genetic predisposition to

illness, and making those with those predispositions uninsurable and

unemployable. This is to preserve.. (surprised, huh) the commercial

healthcare and insurance industries in the face of the tremendous pressure

they will face as those who can afford to will start being able to live MUCH

longer.. (which is right around the corner..seriously)

People on this list need to read more about this..

waragainsttheweak.com has some stuff on this.. Check it out..

[Guest guest]

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote: There may be a special place being

reserved for Dr Bardana, a very hot and uncomfortable

place.

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

Build it, and we will come.

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: The name of this *single* 'disease'

should serve to illuminate (as should

the proposal implicit that there is only one kind of 'toxic mold' poisoning)

At one point I started writing down the various mycotoxins in a journal I

keep and the molds that could contain them, and their effects. It was pretty

much impossible to keep track of on paper. However, a database would be up

to the task. Has anyone built such a database?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/14/2005 2:08:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

pushcrash@... writes:

Has anyone built such a database?

yes. http://wordnet.com.au/Products/diagnosis_man ...

ment_infectious_diseases18.pdf

[Guest guest]

Would you run that again, please...seems like part of the url is missing and

cutting and pasting didn't seem to work.

Thank you,

Haley

snk1955@... wrote:

In a message dated 12/14/2005 2:08:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

pushcrash@... writes:

Has anyone built such a database?

yes. http://wordnet.com.au/Products/diagnosis_man ...

ment_infectious_diseases18.pdf

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/15/2005 11:32:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,

myhaze@... writes:

This lists the symptoms associated with many fungi and toxins.

_http://wordnet.com.au/Products/diagnosis_management_infectious_diseases18.pdf

_

(http://wordnet.com.au/Products/diagnosis_management_infectious_diseases18.pdf)

If you want to look in others Chapters, change the 18 to whatever number.

10 is interesting, also.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Check out this Bill Moyers speech last December, called Battlefield

Earth:

http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/20666/

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Many of the people here are pretty aware that there is clearly a war

> of sorts being fought against people who are involved with fighting

> for mold-free schools, homes, etc. But most of us seem almost

> painfully naiive about just how broad and well-organized this WAR on

> environmental science OF ALL KINDS is and just how pervasive and

> influential it is.

>

> The other day I was listening to Bill Moyers speech on the occasion of

> the 25th anniversary of the founding of the National Security Archive

> ( nsarchive.gwu.edu) on CSPAN, and I heard something that made me

> think about the mold battle. Did you know that the current

> administration has been involved in the national battle to downplay

> the effects of toxic LEAD contamination in schools, homes etc. (it has

> similar effects to mold, most specifically in adults being hindering

> their ability to learn new information.)

>

> Now Bill Moyers, being, who he is, has a LOT of credibility for me..

> He didn't get specific about the source of that data, but I am not

> going to question him on that.

>

> Its pretty clear to me that this country is in essence WAGING A WAR ON

> ORDINARY PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY THE POOR.

[snip]