Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 , Does it calm the immune system down then. I will ask the environ. doc I will see on Wed if he does this. My $1,000 mycotoxin test was abnormal so I'll get the rub then. Loni LISA NAGY <lisa@...> wrote: I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you want to hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. The name allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am insistent because of my experience and my observation in others and what I have learned from all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the instructional tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she doesn't think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and everyone else feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they know how they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 years or so. It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians etc for all they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure to a small amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then subsequent exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- nullifies the reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing and I heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor who does neutralization. So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their personal opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I don't think any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. Although it may not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. And this is just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel bad when patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They are doing the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to discover what to do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a lot of current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene and Dursban. It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I think. Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes (Environmentally Sick Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational for disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. (25.00, at 800 787 8780) Nagy M.D. P.O. Box 2472 Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 (508) 693-3048 (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) <mailto:Calls@...> @... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 , would please qualify what you mean by " lower one's load " ? Are you talking allergens, or toxins, or both, or something else entirely? LISA NAGY <lisa@...> wrote: I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you want to hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. The name allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am insistent because of my experience and my observation in others and what I have learned from all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the instructional tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she doesn't think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and everyone else feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they know how they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 years or so. It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians etc for all they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure to a small amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then subsequent exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- nullifies the reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing and I heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor who does neutralization. So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their personal opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I don't think any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. Although it may not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. And this is just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel bad when patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They are doing the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to discover what to do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a lot of current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene and Dursban. It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I think. Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes (Environmentally Sick Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational for disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. (25.00, at 800 787 8780) Nagy M.D. P.O. Box 2472 Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 (508) 693-3048 (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) <mailto:Calls@...> @... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 , Your response to Kathy doesn't really seem to help much, as a matter of fact it just added more confusion and raises more questions. This treatment you speak of neutralization/antibody shots, are you referring to toxins or allergens? Two totally different things. If physicians have been doing this for 40 years, for ? why haven't we heard more of this. I belong to many health related groups and if this treatment is so prevalent with great results, I've yet to hear anyone mention having any great response to it. What I have heard from those that have been exposed to " mycotoxins " have had a severe negative reaction shortly after that kept them from getting out of bed. Also, if they have been using this for the last 40 years I wouldn't think the insurance companies would consider this as " experimental " or on the cutting edge. Where you really lost me, without any further explanation is where you mention, " It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians etc for all they know. " I wish you could expand on this thought. Also this Dr.Patel to mention in a soft spoken statement, that if you don't take these shots you won't get well. Hmmm. Why would she not say this with more conviction, instead of toned down? You mentioned that they discovered it works, for what or on what? You said, " But it is amazing and I heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor who does neutralization. " To you fully understand what you are dealing with, these toxins, reactivity and the effects it has on your organs, I don't think I could go with this. To me it sounds like a big gamble with some serious consequences. I just think that if there are so many doctors using this technique there would be many more out there that we would be hearing from, literally screaming from the mountain tops and I don't see it. Need more info. KC > > I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you want to > hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. The name > allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am insistent because > of my experience and my observation in others and what I have learned from > all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the instructional > tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she doesn't > think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and everyone else > feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they know how > they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 years or so. > It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians etc for all > they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure to a small > amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then subsequent > exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- nullifies the > reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing and I > heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor who does > neutralization. > So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their personal > opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I don't think > any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. Although it may > not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. And this is > just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel bad when > patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They are doing > the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to discover what to > do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a lot of > current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene and Dursban. > It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I think. > Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes (Environmentally Sick > Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to > neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational for > disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. (25.00, at > 800 787 8780) > > > Nagy M.D. > P.O. Box 2472 > Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 > (508) 693-3048 > (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) > > <mailto:Calls@N...> @N... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 My chiropractor, a wonderfull person who is open to most therapies, when I asked about this said- that provacation, neutralization was " just plain stupid- and dangerous- " I was so suprised I asked if I could quote her on that one -- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@y...> wrote: > > , > > Your response to Kathy doesn't really seem to help much, as a matter > of fact it just added more confusion and raises more questions. This > treatment you speak of neutralization/antibody shots, are you > referring to toxins or allergens? Two totally different things. If > physicians have been doing this for 40 years, for ? why haven't we > heard more of this. I belong to many health related groups and if > this treatment is so prevalent with great results, I've yet to hear > anyone mention having any great response to it. What I have heard > from those that have been exposed to " mycotoxins " have had a severe > negative reaction shortly after that kept them from getting out of > bed. > > Also, if they have been using this for the last 40 years I wouldn't > think the insurance companies would consider this as " experimental " > or on the cutting edge. > > Where you really lost me, without any further explanation is where > you mention, " It may have something to do with electrical fields > and meridians etc for all they know. " I wish you could expand on > this thought. Also this Dr.Patel to mention in a soft spoken > statement, that if you don't take these shots you won't get well. > Hmmm. Why would she not say this with more conviction, instead of > toned down? You mentioned that they discovered it works, for what or > on what? > > You said, " But it is amazing and I heartily recommend it to every > patient who can get to a doctor who does neutralization. " To you > fully understand what you are dealing with, these toxins, reactivity > and the effects it has on your organs, I don't think I could go with > this. To me it sounds like a big gamble with some serious > consequences. > > I just think that if there are so many doctors using this technique > there would be many more out there that we would be hearing from, > literally screaming from the mountain tops and I don't see it. Need > more info. > > KC > > > > --- In , " LISA NAGY " <lisa@n...> wrote: > > > > I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you > want to > > hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. > The name > > allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am > insistent because > > of my experience and my observation in others and what I have > learned from > > all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the > instructional > > tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she > doesn't > > think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and > everyone else > > feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they > know how > > they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 > years or so. > > It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians > etc for all > > they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure to > a small > > amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then > subsequent > > exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- > nullifies the > > reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing and > I > > heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor who > does > > neutralization. > > So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their > personal > > opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I > don't think > > any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. > Although it may > > not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. And > this is > > just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel bad > when > > patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They > are doing > > the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to > discover what to > > do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a > lot of > > current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene and > Dursban. > > It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I > think. > > Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes > (Environmentally Sick > > Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to > > neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational for > > disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. > (25.00, at > > 800 787 8780) > > > > > > Nagy M.D. > > P.O. Box 2472 > > Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 > > (508) 693-3048 > > (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) > > > > <mailto:Calls@N...> @N... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 In the allergy world, there has long been a theory I refer to as the Barrel Theory. For people with allergies, you can consider my reactivity as a barrel, When the barrel is empty, there are no symptoms. As it gets more full, the body's ability to compensate is more compromised, and when the barrel is full and runs over, you get full blown symptoms of whatever sort happens to be you. De-sensitization therapy is like " the hair of the dog " . You get a tiny bit of what is causing your allergies, and you should react so little to be unnoticable (although most docs ignore this caveat). The tiny reactions build up your immunity, so to speak, so that over the course of time you can tolerate more by comparison, and your symptoms lessen correspondingly. I can tolerate being around much more of my reactants (in some cases) now, with a much less reaction than a year ago, when I started my sublingual desensitization. I have had shots off and on for most of my life for my considerable allergies. This has been considered " Good Medicine " for all of my life. My dad had shots as a young man which cured his severe hay fever for 50 years. " Lowering One's Load " refers to emptying the barrel. So it does not refer to toxins. The theory predates the awareness of toxins. To empty the barrel or lower your load, first you need to practice avoidance of the offending stuff, which means you have to have some idea of what is setting you off, ergo, the allergy testing. You can test for anything, I think, that you can put into a syringe and drop under your skin. But for practicality, there are some standardized extracts that can be bought. Now a common way to do it is to buy thse cute little kits that have 40 or so standardized allergens that get pricked onto the bcak, each one having it's own little skin pricker built in- so convenient for the allergist, and disposable, too! I had one of these tests and it was nearly worthless. My old allergist made his own, and I believe Dr does too. He also has a toxicologist on staff to do the various Ig tests. So, first is avoidance. Every single Allergist I have ever seen said the same thing, if they tell you different they don't know what they are talking about. Next is de-sensitization, which over the course of time (at Dr ' you get a recheck in 4 months for progress) shows how well your body is adjusting to it. And my docs when I was a kid always told me to eat a good diet, avoid my dietary alelgens, and make every calorie count. I had BAD asthma, but nobody ever died of asthma, maybe one a year out of the thousands. Now it is much more common, as they don't do quality de-sensitization, and give everyone steroids, which makes it worse in the long run. My docs (childhood) siad they stunt your growth, and why would you want that? I guess now no body cares what they do as long as they sell more and more products. Geeze, I guess I'm on a rant. Sorry. I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you want to > hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. The name > allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I know you are not addressing this to me, but I respectfully answer that you don't seem to know much about allergy theory or the history thereof. Since I have had this affliction my entire life, (well, since age 2 and 1/5) I am well versed in the history (at least since the 30's treatment wise) as well as my family's experience. This has been prcticed for longer than 40 years, it is only Dr Rae who has been doing it for 40 years. Why the hostility about allergy theory and practice? The medical societies and now insurance companies are gunning for any doctor who has a brain and is resistant to their intimidation tactics. It is not experimental theory, it is well proven for maybe a hundred years. It is the under the tongue part of it that they are targeting as experimental. The last time we had an intelligent allergist join the board, you shut him down and he quit participating, though I really wanted to hear what he had to say. It sounded like he was doing some really interesting work and having some success at it, but we just didn''t get a chance to hear about it. I am also incredibly frustrated with medicine, and had given up hope of finding anyone who didn't have his/her head stuck in the sand, esp in this state, but if this is a forum, why the hostility and attack mode? You know the allergists have not yet made the transition to considering the toxic load instead of the allergenic load. They seem to be 2 different things in my own body. I have both of them, but they don't seem to work the same way. For example, I can get a skin burn kind of feeling when I get near something toxic from mold toxins, yet I can get a sneezing hay fever attack from ragweed. 2 different things. But it doesn;t mean they are not helping people. I really needed Diflucan, and I " could have " gotten it anywhere, but this state seems to be a corrupt hotbed, and Not one of the docs I saw even heard of it. If doctors in this state " scream it from the rooftops " , they lose their liscense. > > > > I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you > want to > > hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. > The name > > allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am > insistent because > > of my experience and my observation in others and what I have > learned from > > all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the > instructional > > tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she > doesn't > > think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and > everyone else > > feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they > know how > > they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 > years or so. > > It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians > etc for all > > they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure to > a small > > amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then > subsequent > > exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- > nullifies the > > reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing and > I > > heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor who > does > > neutralization. > > So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their > personal > > opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I > don't think > > any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. > Although it may > > not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. And > this is > > just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel bad > when > > patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They > are doing > > the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to > discover what to > > do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a > lot of > > current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene and > Dursban. > > It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I > think. > > Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes > (Environmentally Sick > > Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to > > neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational for > > disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. > (25.00, at > > 800 787 8780) > > > > > > Nagy M.D. > > P.O. Box 2472 > > Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 > > (508) 693-3048 > > (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 , I am not attacking anyone and I can't remember the last time I have on an open forum. If you are suggesting asking questions is attacking an individual, than I guess we are all in trouble. I am just trying to get some things clarified and clear up the confusion, no more no less. I was not referring to doctors shouting from the rooftops, but patients.... Many here are dealing more with a toxic contamination other than allergen. I've had all the allergen tests done for everything and they all came back negative. Which then explains to me we are not dealing with allergens, we are dealing with toxic reaction. I have been dealing with this issue for approximately 10 years now and have spoken to almost all the doctors that are treating this type of infection, along with scientists, researchers and thousands of victims, like yourself. Some that have had these shots, some of which are on this board have claimed it has almost killed them. Perhaps this was before you joined when this discussion happened. So you see I do know alot more than perhaps you think I do. Just to clarify some things. As far as the allergist I supposedly shut down, who are you referring to? I don't remember any. Several have mentioned after wasting alot of funds they did not have on allergy shots. Most of the doctors in the forefront of treating this type of poisoning will tell you that allergy shots will not work, but if you have a true allergy it will. There is a VERY BIG difference between the two. If I was getting a good response from people who were receiving these I would be all over it, I wish it were that easy. I know all too well how the insurance companies are working to shut many of us down, doctors, lawyers, etc.. that are working to bring this to light. Many of us have been working nonstop for many years behind the scenes to help bring this to light, fighting our government agencies, officials, etc. I know insurance companies claim it is new procedures, when we know it is not, just so they do not have to pay for it. Or are they actually saying we don't want to pay for it because it does not work? I don't have all the answer and never claimed I did. I just want to move on to the next step like the rest of us. KC > > > > , > > > > Your response to Kathy doesn't really seem to help much, as a matter > > of fact it just added more confusion and raises more questions. This > > treatment you speak of neutralization/antibody shots, are you > > referring to toxins or allergens? Two totally different things. If > > physicians have been doing this for 40 years, for ? why haven't we > > heard more of this. I belong to many health related groups and if > > this treatment is so prevalent with great results, I've yet to hear > > anyone mention having any great response to it. What I have heard > > from those that have been exposed to " mycotoxins " have had a severe > > negative reaction shortly after that kept them from getting out of > > bed. > > > > Also, if they have been using this for the last 40 years I wouldn't > > think the insurance companies would consider this as " experimental " > > or on the cutting edge. > > > > Where you really lost me, without any further explanation is where > > you mention, " It may have something to do with electrical fields > > and meridians etc for all they know. " I wish you could expand on > > this thought. Also this Dr.Patel to mention in a soft spoken > > statement, that if you don't take these shots you won't get well. > > Hmmm. Why would she not say this with more conviction, instead of > > toned down? You mentioned that they discovered it works, for what or > > on what? > > > > You said, " But it is amazing and I heartily recommend it to every > > patient who can get to a doctor who does neutralization. " To you > > fully understand what you are dealing with, these toxins, reactivity > > and the effects it has on your organs, I don't think I could go with > > this. To me it sounds like a big gamble with some serious > > consequences. > > > > I just think that if there are so many doctors using this technique > > there would be many more out there that we would be hearing from, > > literally screaming from the mountain tops and I don't see it. Need > > more info. > > > > KC > > > > > > > > --- In , " LISA NAGY " <lisa@n...> wrote: > > > > > > I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you > > want to > > > hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. > > The name > > > allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am > > insistent because > > > of my experience and my observation in others and what I have > > learned from > > > all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the > > instructional > > > tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she > > doesn't > > > think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and > > everyone else > > > feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they > > know how > > > they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 > > years or so. > > > It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians > > etc for all > > > they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure to > > a small > > > amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then > > subsequent > > > exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- > > nullifies the > > > reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing and > > I > > > heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor who > > does > > > neutralization. > > > So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their > > personal > > > opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I > > don't think > > > any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. > > Although it may > > > not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. And > > this is > > > just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel bad > > when > > > patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They > > are doing > > > the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to > > discover what to > > > do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a > > lot of > > > current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene and > > Dursban. > > > It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I > > think. > > > Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes > > (Environmentally Sick > > > Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to > > > neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational for > > > disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. > > (25.00, at > > > 800 787 8780) > > > > > > > > > Nagy M.D. > > > P.O. Box 2472 > > > Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 > > > (508) 693-3048 > > > (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 , my question about " total load " was for . I have had conversations in which the phrase meant allergens, toxins, or both, so I was asking her what she meant by that. Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased --------------------------------- Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 > > > > I know you are not addressing this to me, but I respectfully > answer that you don't seem to > > know much about allergy theory or the history thereof. Since I > have had this affliction my > > entire life, (well, since age 2 and 1/5) I am well versed in the > history (at least since the > > 30's treatment wise) as well as my family's experience. > > > > This has been prcticed for longer than 40 years, it is only Dr Rae > who has been doing it for > > 40 years. > > > > Why the hostility about allergy theory and practice? > > > > The medical societies and now insurance companies are gunning for > any doctor who has a > > brain and is resistant to their intimidation tactics. It is not > experimental theory, it is well > > proven for maybe a hundred years. It is the under the tongue part > of it that they are > > targeting as experimental. > > > > The last time we had an intelligent allergist join the board, you > shut him down and he quit > > participating, though I really wanted to hear what he had to say. > It sounded like he was > > doing some really interesting work and having some success at it, > but we just didn''t get a > > chance to hear about it. > > > > I am also incredibly frustrated with medicine, and had given up > hope of finding anyone > > who didn't have his/her head stuck in the sand, esp in this state, > but if this is a forum, > > why the hostility and attack mode? > > > > You know the allergists have not yet made the transition to > considering the toxic load > > instead of the allergenic load. They seem to be 2 different things > in my own body. I have > > both of them, but they don't seem to work the same way. > > > > For example, I can get a skin burn kind of feeling when I get near > something toxic from > > mold toxins, yet I can get a sneezing hay fever attack from > ragweed. 2 different things. > > > > But it doesn;t mean they are not helping people. I really needed > Diflucan, and I " could > > have " gotten it anywhere, but this state seems to be a corrupt > hotbed, and Not one of the > > docs I saw even heard of it. If doctors in this state " scream it > from the rooftops " , they lose > > their liscense. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 20K???????????????? That seems WAY out of line. Mine charges per/chem/injection. I would have the office clearly define just how many allergens they are going to test you for. There is no policy that you have to do everything all at once. Most insurances cover this testing (provaction/neutralization). Ask about doing molds first. Then work the rest out to your scehdule or financial situation. The RAST test is really a cheap attempt to identify allergens. On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, earle wrote: > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:09:31 -0500 > From: earle <haywood@...> > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] Re: Kathy's answer > > Loni Rosser wrote: >> I saw an environ doc today & my mycotoxin test is in. I show reaction to 11 out of the 12 dangerous mycotoxins tested. He said I was the worse test He's seen meaning I've been exposed to so many I guess. He was talking to me about this allergy treatment to desensitize me. I guess it's the neutralization you've been talking about. To the tune of 10 to 20K that will most likely come from my money tree out in the back yard. I'll probably have to sell my first born (if anyone will take him) to pay for this treatment. OH, and then there are no guarantees!!!! What??? $20 grand & no guarantee. >> HELP!!!!!!!! Loni > > Loni > > I don't know what test you had but it doesn't sound like P/N testing. > > Would you describe the test, how long did it take to get the results. > > earle > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Hey, CSM is only $100 a month- staying clean-priceless > > > > > > I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you > > want to > > > hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. > > The name > > > allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am > > insistent because > > > of my experience and my observation in others and what I have > > learned from > > > all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the > > instructional > > > tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she > > doesn't > > > think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and > > everyone else > > > feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they > > know how > > > they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 > > years or so. > > > It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians > > etc for all > > > they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure > to > > a small > > > amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then > > subsequent > > > exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- > > nullifies the > > > reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing > and > > I > > > heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor > who > > does > > > neutralization. > > > So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their > > personal > > > opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I > > don't think > > > any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. > > Although it may > > > not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. > And > > this is > > > just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel > bad > > when > > > patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They > > are doing > > > the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to > > discover what to > > > do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a > > lot of > > > current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene > and > > Dursban. > > > It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I > > think. > > > Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes > > (Environmentally Sick > > > Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to > > > neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational > for > > > disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. > > (25.00, at > > > 800 787 8780) > > > > > > > > > Nagy M.D. > > > P.O. Box 2472 > > > Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 > > > (508) 693-3048 > > > (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) > > > > > > <mailto:Calls@N...> @N... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Which doc is this? > > I saw an environ doc today & my mycotoxin test is in. I show reaction to 11 out of the 12 dangerous mycotoxins tested. He said I was the worse test He's seen meaning I've been exposed to so many I guess. He was talking to me about this allergy treatment to desensitize me. I guess it's the neutralization you've been talking about. To the tune of 10 to 20K that will most likely come from my money tree out in the back yard. I'll probably have to sell my first born (if anyone will take him) to pay for this treatment. OH, and then there are no guarantees!!!! What??? $20 grand & no guarantee. > HELP!!!!!!!! Loni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 , I don't think I can take CSM because of my low cholesterol. I can't afford to make it lower with the drug. Wish I could take it-I would love to. Loni carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Hey, CSM is only $100 a month- staying clean-priceless > > > > > > I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you > > want to > > > hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. > > The name > > > allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am > > insistent because > > > of my experience and my observation in others and what I have > > learned from > > > all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the > > instructional > > > tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she > > doesn't > > > think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and > > everyone else > > > feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they > > know how > > > they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 > > years or so. > > > It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians > > etc for all > > > they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure > to > > a small > > > amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then > > subsequent > > > exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- > > nullifies the > > > reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing > and > > I > > > heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor > who > > does > > > neutralization. > > > So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their > > personal > > > opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I > > don't think > > > any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. > > Although it may > > > not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. > And > > this is > > > just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel > bad > > when > > > patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They > > are doing > > > the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to > > discover what to > > > do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a > > lot of > > > current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene > and > > Dursban. > > > It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I > > think. > > > Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes > > (Environmentally Sick > > > Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to > > > neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational > for > > > disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. > > (25.00, at > > > 800 787 8780) > > > > > > > > > Nagy M.D. > > > P.O. Box 2472 > > > Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 > > > (508) 693-3048 > > > (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) > > > > > > <mailto:Calls@N...> @N... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 > >> I saw an environ doc today & my mycotoxin test is in. I show reaction to 11 out of the 12 dangerous mycotoxins tested. He said I was the worse test He's seen meaning I've been exposed to so many I guess. He was talking to me about this allergy treatment to desensitize me. I guess it's the neutralization you've been talking about. To the tune of 10 to 20K that will most likely come from my money tree out in the back yard. I'll probably have to sell my first born (if anyone will take him) to pay for this treatment. OH, and then there are no guarantees!!!! What??? $20 grand & no guarantee. > >> HELP!!!!!!!! Loni > > > > Loni > > > > I don't know what test you had but it doesn't sound like P/N testing. > > > > Would you describe the test, how long did it take to get the results. > > > > earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Loni, Who did your testing.......what doctor did you see? Marcie carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Hey, CSM is only $100 a month- staying clean-priceless > > > > > > I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you > > want to > > > hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. > > The name > > > allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am > > insistent because > > > of my experience and my observation in others and what I have > > learned from > > > all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the > > instructional > > > tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she > > doesn't > > > think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and > > everyone else > > > feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they > > know how > > > they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 > > years or so. > > > It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians > > etc for all > > > they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure > to > > a small > > > amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then > > subsequent > > > exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- > > nullifies the > > > reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing > and > > I > > > heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor > who > > does > > > neutralization. > > > So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their > > personal > > > opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I > > don't think > > > any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. > > Although it may > > > not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. > And > > this is > > > just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel > bad > > when > > > patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They > > are doing > > > the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to > > discover what to > > > do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a > > lot of > > > current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene > and > > Dursban. > > > It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I > > think. > > > Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes > > (Environmentally Sick > > > Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to > > > neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational > for > > > disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. > > (25.00, at > > > 800 787 8780) > > > > > > > > > Nagy M.D. > > > P.O. Box 2472 > > > Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 > > > (508) 693-3048 > > > (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) > > > > > > <mailto:Calls@N...> @N... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 My friend comes in for allergy testing 2x/year. It usually takes 4-5 days. WShe is always wiped out from all the testing. Especially when they hit upon her worse allergens. Her main triggers are food/chems. 600 is very reasonable. On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, kl_clayton wrote: > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:38:58 -0000 > From: kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> > Reply- > > Subject: [] Re: Kathy's answer > > >>>> I saw an environ doc today & my mycotoxin test is in. I show reaction to 11 out of > the 12 dangerous mycotoxins tested. He said I was the worse test He's seen meaning I've > been exposed to so many I guess. He was talking to me about this allergy treatment to > desensitize me. I guess it's the neutralization you've been talking about. To the tune of 10 > to 20K that will most likely come from my money tree out in the back yard. I'll probably > have to sell my first born (if anyone will take him) to pay for this treatment. OH, and then > there are no guarantees!!!! What??? $20 grand & no guarantee. >>>> HELP!!!!!!!! Loni >>> >>> Loni >>> >>> I don't know what test you had but it doesn't sound like P/N testing. >>> >>> Would you describe the test, how long did it take to get the results. >>> >>> earle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> FAIR USE NOTICE: >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Dr Lanson here in sdale Arizona. He doesn't take my insurance. I guess He tests for all kinds of things. For detoxing the mycotoxins he uses sublingual nutrients & he tests me for those also. Office manager said 10 to 20K. Loni Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote: Loni, Who did your testing.......what doctor did you see? Marcie carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Hey, CSM is only $100 a month- staying clean-priceless > > > > > > I know less about the specifics of neutralization than you > > want to > > > hear. It picks reactivity that is not IgE mediated for sure. > > The name > > > allergy shots just makes it sound acceptable I think. I am > > insistent because > > > of my experience and my observation in others and what I have > > learned from > > > all the other environmental physicians at the meeting and the > > instructional > > > tapes. Dr. Patel (Buffalo)made a soft spoken statement that she > > doesn't > > > think the patient will get well without the shots. Rea and > > everyone else > > > feels it is necessary to 'lower one's load'. I don't think they > > know how > > > they work although they have been doing neutralization for 40 > > years or so. > > > It may have something to do with electrical fields and meridians > > etc for all > > > they know. They just discovered that it works. That exposure > to > > a small > > > amount of something (titrated to the individual) and then > > subsequent > > > exposure to a large amount that usually makes one react -- > > nullifies the > > > reaction. No one gets it that I can glean. But it is amazing > and > > I > > > heartily recommend it to every patient who can get to a doctor > who > > does > > > neutralization. > > > So far that I can tell not many other docs are giving their > > personal > > > opinion after being excruciatingly ill and having it go away. I > > don't think > > > any doctors who have gone through this would argue with me. > > Although it may > > > not work for a couple people it certainly does for the rest. > And > > this is > > > just the first step to fixing things. Not a panacea. I feel > bad > > when > > > patients blame Rea or someone else for not 'curing them'. They > > are doing > > > the best they know how. Some will be luckier than others to > > discover what to > > > do to lower their load. For me it was figuring out that I had a > > lot of > > > current in my mouth from a crown in addition to Trichothecene > and > > Dursban. > > > It is just the first step to tolerating your environment again I > > think. > > > Hundreds of Docs are doing it and the Doris Rapp tapes > > (Environmentally Sick > > > Schools) shows the amazing response of children in moments to > > > neutralization! The tape is unbelievable and very educational > for > > > disbelievers -- I put it on public TV here on Martha's Vineyard. > > (25.00, at > > > 800 787 8780) > > > > > > > > > Nagy M.D. > > > P.O. Box 2472 > > > Vineyard Haven, Mass 02568 > > > (508) 693-3048 > > > (310) 213- 5472 (Cell-Important Calls) > > > > > > <mailto:Calls@N...> @N... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Yes there are alot of them I guess. Did this help you do you think? My immune system is so damaged that I just don't know if this will help. Loni kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote: > >> I saw an environ doc today & my mycotoxin test is in. I show reaction to 11 out of the 12 dangerous mycotoxins tested. He said I was the worse test He's seen meaning I've been exposed to so many I guess. He was talking to me about this allergy treatment to desensitize me. I guess it's the neutralization you've been talking about. To the tune of 10 to 20K that will most likely come from my money tree out in the back yard. I'll probably have to sell my first born (if anyone will take him) to pay for this treatment. OH, and then there are no guarantees!!!! What??? $20 grand & no guarantee. > >> HELP!!!!!!!! Loni > > > > Loni > > > > I don't know what test you had but it doesn't sound like P/N testing. > > > > Would you describe the test, how long did it take to get the results. > > > > earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Are you saying the testing they did gave you asthma? That would be horrible. Loni kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote: > >> I saw an environ doc today & my mycotoxin test is in. I show reaction to 11 out of the 12 dangerous mycotoxins tested. He said I was the worse test He's seen meaning I've been exposed to so many I guess. He was talking to me about this allergy treatment to desensitize me. I guess it's the neutralization you've been talking about. To the tune of 10 to 20K that will most likely come from my money tree out in the back yard. I'll probably have to sell my first born (if anyone will take him) to pay for this treatment. OH, and then there are no guarantees!!!! What??? $20 grand & no guarantee. > >> HELP!!!!!!!! Loni > > > > Loni > > > > I don't know what test you had but it doesn't sound like P/N testing. > > > > Would you describe the test, how long did it take to get the results. > > > > earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Loni, you could recheck this, but the reason I suggested taking a look at the comments on cholesterol in Mold Warriors was because of a description I remember concerning the body manufacturing as much cholesterol as it needs. The general notion, if I'm remembering correctly, was that cholesterol is used internally for repairs, and telling people they need to reduce cholesterol was sort of like telling people in a sinking boat that they have too many plugs. The research that started the whole " cholesterol craze " was so questionable to begin with, that it's almost impossible to tell where the voodoo public health campaigning leaves off and the common sense kicks in. Anyway, the idea I took from it is that cholesterol levels probably aren't good, bad, or indifferent, taken on their own. There may not be any such thing as too much, and if you ever need more for any reason, you'll probably just make some - which is why continual use of CSM is considered to be pretty safe. If it didn't work that way, those of us who expect to take it for a lifetime would eventually run out of cholesterol into some bad trouble. I've never heard of that happening. But that's just what I remember. You probably ought to check that with one of the mold docs. They could either verify or deny what I just said, as well as coming up with an alternative, if that's what was needed. --- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote: > > , I don't think I can take CSM because of my low cholesterol. I can't afford to make it lower with the drug. Wish I could take it-I would love to. Loni > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Ok I'll email Dr. Shoemaker's office & make an inquiry. The liver makes 80% of your cholesterol & I do have a liver functioning problem so I don't know how that plays but thanks I'll check it out. I would like to see Dr Shoemaker if I could take the CSM. But I know it would be for life so that is my concern. Loni pushcrash <pushcrash@...> wrote: Loni, you could recheck this, but the reason I suggested taking a look at the comments on cholesterol in Mold Warriors was because of a description I remember concerning the body manufacturing as much cholesterol as it needs. The general notion, if I'm remembering correctly, was that cholesterol is used internally for repairs, and telling people they need to reduce cholesterol was sort of like telling people in a sinking boat that they have too many plugs. The research that started the whole " cholesterol craze " was so questionable to begin with, that it's almost impossible to tell where the voodoo public health campaigning leaves off and the common sense kicks in. Anyway, the idea I took from it is that cholesterol levels probably aren't good, bad, or indifferent, taken on their own. There may not be any such thing as too much, and if you ever need more for any reason, you'll probably just make some - which is why continual use of CSM is considered to be pretty safe. If it didn't work that way, those of us who expect to take it for a lifetime would eventually run out of cholesterol into some bad trouble. I've never heard of that happening. But that's just what I remember. You probably ought to check that with one of the mold docs. They could either verify or deny what I just said, as well as coming up with an alternative, if that's what was needed. --- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote: > > , I don't think I can take CSM because of my low cholesterol. I can't afford to make it lower with the drug. Wish I could take it-I would love to. Loni > FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Everybody who's been poisoned has what you might call a liver functioning problem of sorts. But yeah, I'd ask him. If the CSM is a problem in that way, he'd be the guy who would know it. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Ok I'll email Dr. Shoemaker's office & make an inquiry. The liver makes 80% of your cholesterol & I do have a liver functioning problem so I don't know how that plays but thanks I'll check it out. I would like to see Dr Shoemaker if I could take the CSM. But I know it would be for life so that is my concern. Loni Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Everyone that I know that has used her has noticed a substanial reduction in their reaction severity. i do EAV testing and that has helped me immensly. I have waqtched my friend from her first reaction in 97 until know and swhe has made 80%^ improvement. On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Loni Rosser wrote: > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:41:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Loni Rosser <loni326@...> > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] Re: Kathy's answer > > Yes there are alot of them I guess. Did this help you do you think? My immune system is so damaged that I just don't know if this will help. Loni > > kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote: >>>> I saw an environ doc today & my mycotoxin test is in. I show reaction to 11 out of > the 12 dangerous mycotoxins tested. He said I was the worse test He's seen meaning I've > been exposed to so many I guess. He was talking to me about this allergy treatment to > desensitize me. I guess it's the neutralization you've been talking about. To the tune of 10 > to 20K that will most likely come from my money tree out in the back yard. I'll probably > have to sell my first born (if anyone will take him) to pay for this treatment. OH, and then > there are no guarantees!!!! What??? $20 grand & no guarantee. >>>> HELP!!!!!!!! Loni >>> >>> Loni >>> >>> I don't know what test you had but it doesn't sound like P/N testing. >>> >>> Would you describe the test, how long did it take to get the results. >>> >>> earle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> FAIR USE NOTICE: >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Loni, What were your Immune levels at? Marcie Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Yes there are alot of them I guess. Did this help you do you think? My immune system is so damaged that I just don't know if this will help. Loni kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote: > >> I saw an environ doc today & my mycotoxin test is in. I show reaction to 11 out of the 12 dangerous mycotoxins tested. He said I was the worse test He's seen meaning I've been exposed to so many I guess. He was talking to me about this allergy treatment to desensitize me. I guess it's the neutralization you've been talking about. To the tune of 10 to 20K that will most likely come from my money tree out in the back yard. I'll probably have to sell my first born (if anyone will take him) to pay for this treatment. OH, and then there are no guarantees!!!! What??? $20 grand & no guarantee. > >> HELP!!!!!!!! Loni > > > > Loni > > > > I don't know what test you had but it doesn't sound like P/N testing. > > > > Would you describe the test, how long did it take to get the results. > > > > earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 what are you looking for Marcie? Loni Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote: Loni, What were your Immune levels at? Marcie Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Yes there are alot of them I guess. Did this help you do you think? My immune system is so damaged that I just don't know if this will help. Loni kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote: > >> I saw an environ doc today & my mycotoxin test is in. I show reaction to 11 out of the 12 dangerous mycotoxins tested. He said I was the worse test He's seen meaning I've been exposed to so many I guess. He was talking to me about this allergy treatment to desensitize me. I guess it's the neutralization you've been talking about. To the tune of 10 to 20K that will most likely come from my money tree out in the back yard. I'll probably have to sell my first born (if anyone will take him) to pay for this treatment. OH, and then there are no guarantees!!!! What??? $20 grand & no guarantee. > >> HELP!!!!!!!! Loni > > > > Loni > > > > I don't know what test you had but it doesn't sound like P/N testing. > > > > Would you describe the test, how long did it take to get the results. > > > > earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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