Re: Re: A little off topic, your pet's food

[Guest guest]

Just for everybody's information, when I am reading stuff about mold

effects I often find things about mold contamination of human food

stuffs. Typically, what a farmer does when they find this is dilute

the moldy food with uncontaminated food, then mix it up and sell it as

animal feed.

This is what the journal articles, etc. tell thejm to do...

(because the standards for 'acceptable' mycotoxin contamination of

animal feed are lower than for human food)

Perhaps what we need are to apply the standards for human food to the

food of 'companion animals' (cats, dogs, pet birds, etc.- and perhaps

animals that are 'used' for human food..as well)

[Guest guest]

When I got my puppy years ago, I was checking into more healthier

foods...than the purina I was told was the best.

It seems that industry is allowed the 4D's...diseased, dying, dead,

disabled animal parts to be used. That and the inclusion of ethoxoquine

aka tire preservative convinced me the puppy was not going to be eating

the commerical s*** out there.

It's very interesting...the gov allows HIGHER % of ethoxoquin to be used

in dog food than in human food....

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, LiveSimply wrote:

> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:25:37 -0800

> From: LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

> Reply-

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> Subject: Re: [] Re: A little off topic, your pet's food

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> Just for everybody's information, when I am reading stuff about mold

> effects I often find things about mold contamination of human food

> stuffs. Typically, what a farmer does when they find this is dilute

> the moldy food with uncontaminated food, then mix it up and sell it as

> animal feed.

>

> This is what the journal articles, etc. tell thejm to do...

>

> (because the standards for 'acceptable' mycotoxin contamination of

> animal feed are lower than for human food)

>

> Perhaps what we need are to apply the standards for human food to the

> food of 'companion animals' (cats, dogs, pet birds, etc.- and perhaps

> animals that are 'used' for human food..as well)

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> FAIR USE NOTICE:

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[Guest guest]

WE actually have someone within 10 miles that makes homemade Cat & Dog food.

Apparently she had a pet with allergies and developed a small business

making pet foods, she was disgusted with what was put into commercial

products so she invented her own recipes with the assistance of the local

vets in our area. Now she takes orders and also makes treats too. doing

good so far, the demand for healthy pet food is growing.

SW

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>

> Just for everybody's information, when I am reading stuff about mold

> effects I often find things about mold contamination of human food

> stuffs. Typically, what a farmer does when they find this is dilute

> the moldy food with uncontaminated food, then mix it up and sell it as

> animal feed.

>

> This is what the journal articles, etc. tell thejm to do...

>

> (because the standards for 'acceptable' mycotoxin contamination of

> animal feed are lower than for human food)

>

> Perhaps what we need are to apply the standards for human food to the

> food of 'companion animals' (cats, dogs, pet birds, etc.- and perhaps

> animals that are 'used' for human food..as well)

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

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[Guest guest]

I should also add that she make vegetarian pet food also and special recipes

if your pet has had surgery. If you want I'll look up the recent piece in

our newspaper and get you her name & ph# for you. She is Colchester County,

Nova Scotia Canada.

SW

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>

> Just for everybody's information, when I am reading stuff about mold

> effects I often find things about mold contamination of human food

> stuffs. Typically, what a farmer does when they find this is dilute

> the moldy food with uncontaminated food, then mix it up and sell it as

> animal feed.

>

> This is what the journal articles, etc. tell thejm to do...

>

> (because the standards for 'acceptable' mycotoxin contamination of

> animal feed are lower than for human food)

>

> Perhaps what we need are to apply the standards for human food to the

> food of 'companion animals' (cats, dogs, pet birds, etc.- and perhaps

> animals that are 'used' for human food..as well)

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

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[Guest guest]

I certainly would spend an extra penny or two (what it would cost to

use uncontaminated grains, etc. not 4x the cost)to prevent my dog (if

I had one) from getting cancer.

Seriously.

I used to be a pet owner and even though I was very poor at the time,

I bought Science Diet and often 'organic' brands (forget their names)

as well as gave him helpings of whatever I ate..

As far as 'food animals' - if the only way to make their consumption

affordable is to feed them known carcinogens, perhaps its time to

become vegetarians.

Seriously. Toxins concentrate upward in the food chain and

ultimately, people who eat a lot of meat end up with much higher

levels of them in their adipose tissue, etc.

That's a known fact.

On 12/24/05, kengibs <jkg4902@...> wrote:

> Or maybe do additional reaearch to that food supplies can be

> detoxified. After all a silo full of grain that gets moldy presents

> a number of problems beside the great amount of cockroach products

> and mouse pellets that " naturally " co-exist with grain in storage.

> Filth to humans which carry amounts of disease become most

> troublesome when storage facilities become larger.

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> Your suggestion is interesting but will it work? Will folks

> continue to buy pet food if its cost triples due to new sanitary

> regulations? I'd rather see solutions to killing the toxins before

> food is processed.

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> > Just for everybody's information, when I am reading stuff about

> mold

> > effects I often find things about mold contamination of human food

> > stuffs. Typically, what a farmer does when they find this is dilute

> > the moldy food with uncontaminated food, then mix it up and sell

> it as

> > animal feed.

> >

> > This is what the journal articles, etc. tell thejm to do...

> >

> > (because the standards for 'acceptable' mycotoxin contamination of

> > animal feed are lower than for human food)

> >

> > Perhaps what we need are to apply the standards for human food to

> the

> > food of 'companion animals' (cats, dogs, pet birds, etc.- and

> perhaps

> > animals that are 'used' for human food..as well)

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> FAIR USE NOTICE:

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[Guest guest]

Actually, I think they have experimentally used cholestyramine as an

additive to animal feed to reduce OTA toxicity.

There are others as well. Phenylalanine comes to mind. Milk Thistle

(silymarin) also reduces liver toxicity, as do antioxidants like alpha

lipoic acid.

I don;t think farmers care if their beef cattle might get liver cancer

a few years down the line if they were not 'harvested' though.. and

the same goes for poultry, so this information is of limited economic

significance to farmers. How much of those toxins remain in meat we

eat if the animals are fed them before slaughter? Hard to say without

doing something like radio tagging the toxins, feeding them to an

animal, killing it, and then analyzing the meat radiographically

(expensive!)

Seriously, that is what it would take, I'm guessing...

[Guest guest]

Ouch! Yes.. For him and for us as well...

If he will eat vegetables, (and most dogs will if they see us eating

them) maybe you could give him some?

When I had a dog, I used to give him carrots as snacks.. He would

gobble them up..

On 12/27/05, carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

> My dog got sick when I did, and had allot of the same problems,

> swollen lymph node in the back of the neck, skin and ear infections,

> and he could not eat dog food or wheat without the runs, I cooked

> for him for a year, now he is back on dog food- the best I can find-

> the vet said it was better than home cooking- and his teeth are

> better now. of course I worry about cancer

> karen

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