Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: , It wasn't meant as an insult. I respect & admire what you have done Loni, his ego is large enough! He only cares about being right and it is obvious that he does not care about the people who are ill. why is he even allowed on a list with sick people? Go climb a mountain and leave us alone. Bob __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Where I live, people who try to live outside get killed all the time.. They might die of other things officially, but the real reason they die is poverty and lack of housing. Its a jungle out there. And I'm not talking about bad weather.. There is no safety net. Many of the homeless people whre I live HAVE JOBS or Social 'Security' they just don't make enough to live on. (When you are that close to the edge, one glitch and you are over the edge.) Just one example, people who work there LIVE IN THE PARKING LOT of WalMart. In cars, vans, etc. Seriously... Studios in even marginally safe neighborhoods and one bedroom apartments just about anywhere start at well over $1000/month Given that environment, 'moving out' without someplace to move into will quite possibly kill you much faster than mold will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 " ..>>>>On Behalf Of LiveSimply Seriously... Studios in even marginally safe neighborhoods and one bedroom apartments just about anywhere start at well over $1000/month..>>> where do you live? I'm in Houston and a one bedroom apartment in a good (not luxurious but good, safe neighborhood) can be had for $400/month. Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Exactly what I was thinking, Rosie. Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City are all good examples. IT people get the same or better money, and the jobs are just as plentiful per capita, but the cost of living is wayyyyy lower. It's like getting an instant raise of 20-30% . Quack - think about what you're saying here. You're talking about safety...from a mold-contaminated apartment where you take a beating every single day. I do understand about the job thing, but you see the apparent illogic? I know you do. Think about getting out and decontaminating, even if it's just to stay with friends or family for a couple of weeks to see the difference. Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 ..>>>From: [mailto: ] Exactly what I was thinking, Rosie. Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City are all good examples. IT people get the same or better money, and the jobs are just as plentiful per capita, but the cost of living is wayyyyy lower. It's like getting an instant raise of 20-30% ...>> I agree, we need to get realistic. I was trying to help a woman, recently on disability and housing; she wanted to remain in her upper class neighborhood but couldn't afford anything; she was camping in a tent in a friend's backyard to just have an " impressive " address. Estimates are we in Houston have over 100,000 Katrina survivors, cost of housing is lower in Houston than many other cities and they plan to stay...as you said instant raise. Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 I am thinking about moving, but as I have been unemployed for quite a while, it would be difficult to get the money to move. I don't want to live in the Midwest, but I am thinking about other places on the West Coast, the Southwest and the East. I have also thought about perhaps moving overseas for a while as it seems as if the US is going through a bad time, kind of like the Great Depression, while at the same time things in my field are booming in Europe right now. I live in the Bay Area, BTW, which has the highest rents in the US. Yes, they are very high. But, I have lived here for a long time and this is where my friends are, support network, the little I have, is, etc. On 12/22/05, Healthier4All <Healthier4All@...> wrote: > > > .>>>From: > [mailto: ] > Exactly what I was thinking, Rosie. Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City are all > good examples. IT people get the same or better money, and the jobs are just > as plentiful per capita, but the cost of living is wayyyyy lower. It's like > getting an instant raise of 20-30% ...>> > > I agree, we need to get realistic. I was trying to help a woman, recently > on disability and housing; she wanted to remain in her upper class > neighborhood but couldn't afford anything; she was camping in a tent in a > friend's backyard to just have an " impressive " address. Estimates are we in > Houston have over 100,000 Katrina survivors, cost of housing is lower in > Houston than many other cities and they plan to stay...as you said instant > raise. > > Rosie > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 I don;t think many Americans realize just how bad the IT market is right now. Many, many people are deserting it for things like plumbing, to give you an idea. Kids in college know the score, technical jobs just don't pay any more, as more and more of them are being offshored to India, etc. Those smart kids who would have studied engineering a few years ago are now studying to be doctors, financial analysts, or lawyers. They need to eat. Nobody wants to spend eight years in college and get out to find work (if they are lucky) that pays less than what a typical plumber or electrician with no college training and minimal command of the English language makes.. The 60 hour weeks are murder too. And now, computer programmers are exempted from overtime rules.. Some companies see them as virtual slaves.. Saturday, Sunday work is not at all unusual.. It used to be just at crush time, now its routine.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Another possibility might be a weekly. No, they are not all one big drug fest. I mean the nicer ones where travelling business people stay.Some of those are cheaper than apartments, too. See, the way this thing goes, you might get a lot better real quick - which means you own the get out of jail free genes, and you'll get your life back together quicker. And if you don't get better quick, it usually means you got the _really_ lousy genes, and need to be in the mold even less than people with the _merely_ bad genes. Thing is, the damage is cumulative. It's not like you can just take some csm and think the damage will stop. We were talking about hitting the wall a little earlier, and that's part of the inflammatory response, where it turns on and can't turn itself back off. There are other risks. There's the damage done to the hypothalamus itself - not a set of responses, but actual organ damage. Maybe it heals, maybe not. Then there's this growing suspicion that these kinds of neurotoxins are at the bottom of some really nice diseases like MS. Maybe you're a one attack wonder, and you never have to deal with it again. Or maybe you get primary progressive MS, and eventually can't walk any more, or control your bladder, or manage a keyboard, and then it's like the mold illness only worse and forever. Most people go 7 years before thee damage becomes severe enough that they even get a diagnosis and can begin treatment. Or maybe you get Transverse Mylelitis. Ask Vicky about that one. There's the cancer risk. Some of these mycotoxins are extremely carcinogenic. (I mean, some of them are classed as biowarfare agents. Let's just say the DOD doesn't deal in fake weapons. Look up T2 toxins.) Then there's all the other stuff that csm can't bind that your liver can't handle on top of the extra duty it's trying to pull with the mycotoxins. So, it's not like I'm just trying to scare you because maybe I disagree with some choices you're making right now. It's that the risks are so widespread and unpredictable and nasty that I don't know what's going to happen to you. And you don't either. And you haven't got a prayer of reducing your risks reliably until you get into a clean space and stay there and do what you have to do to get yourself as well as you can get. So, don't take anything I'm saying to you as a criticism. Take it as concern. If you're as fogged up as a lot of us, you'll very predictably talk yourself out of moving a whole bunch of times before you do something real about it. I don't know why we do that, but I've seen it enough times now to know that's just another part of it. It's something beyond just the shock and the brain fog. It's like some weird mental twist we develop. We can talk rationally, but our thinking abilities are altered in some strange countersurvival ways. That's hard news, for somebody who makes their living with their brain, that the thing doesn't work right - but you aren't the first and I wasn't, either. (That part will, thankfully, clear up a lot as you get well enough to spot new exposures before they really take hold.) Anyway, tape this to your desk. Google everything I just said and verify it til your eyeballs are ready to fall out. Take my word for absolutely nothing. Check it out with other people on this board. They know, in ways you don't want to have to experience. Check out the word from the government-independent experts out there in the trenches. Do whatever you have to, but satisfy yourself that I am telling you the plain unvarnished truth about this. I told you before that you cannot calc some of this in dollars and cents, and these are the things I meant when I said that to you. If I'm lyin', I'm dyin', and you are perfectly welcome to call me on anything I have said here that you think is wrong. I won't take it personally. LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: I am thinking about moving, but as I have been unemployed for quite a while, it would be difficult to get the money to move. I don't want to live in the Midwest, but I am thinking about other places on the West Coast, the Southwest and the East. I have also thought about perhaps moving overseas for a while as it seems as if the US is going through a bad time, kind of like the Great Depression, while at the same time things in my field are booming in Europe right now. I live in the Bay Area, BTW, which has the highest rents in the US. Yes, they are very high. But, I have lived here for a long time and this is where my friends are, support network, the little I have, is, etc. On 12/22/05, Healthier4All <Healthier4All@...> wrote: > > > .>>>From: > [mailto: ] > Exactly what I was thinking, Rosie. Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City are all > good examples. IT people get the same or better money, and the jobs are just > as plentiful per capita, but the cost of living is wayyyyy lower. It's like > getting an instant raise of 20-30% ...>> > > I agree, we need to get realistic. I was trying to help a woman, recently > on disability and housing; she wanted to remain in her upper class > neighborhood but couldn't afford anything; she was camping in a tent in a > friend's backyard to just have an " impressive " address. Estimates are we in > Houston have over 100,000 Katrina survivors, cost of housing is lower in > Houston than many other cities and they plan to stay...as you said instant > raise. > > Rosie > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I did think his response was quite harsh Bob. Loni Bob <blue74730@...> wrote: Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: , It wasn't meant as an insult. I respect & admire what you have done Loni, his ego is large enough! He only cares about being right and it is obvious that he does not care about the people who are ill. why is he even allowed on a list with sick people? Go climb a mountain and leave us alone. Bob __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 thanks,. sharon, & take care! vicki Re: [] Re: Desperadoes > Another possibility might be a weekly. No, they are not all one big drug > fest. I mean the nicer ones where travelling business people stay.Some of > those are cheaper than apartments, too. > > See, the way this thing goes, you might get a lot better real quick - > which means you own the get out of jail free genes, and you'll get your > life back together quicker. And if you don't get better quick, it usually > means you got the _really_ lousy genes, and need to be in the mold even > less than people with the _merely_ bad genes. Thing is, the damage is > cumulative. It's not like you can just take some csm and think the damage > will stop. We were talking about hitting the wall a little earlier, and > that's part of the inflammatory response, where it turns on and can't turn > itself back off. There are other risks. There's the damage done to the > hypothalamus itself - not a set of responses, but actual organ damage. > Maybe it heals, maybe not. Then there's this growing suspicion that these > kinds of neurotoxins are at the bottom of some really nice diseases like > MS. Maybe you're a one attack wonder, and you never have to deal with it > again. Or maybe you get primary progressive MS! > , and > eventually can't walk any more, or control your bladder, or manage a > keyboard, and then it's like the mold illness only worse and forever. Most > people go 7 years before thee damage becomes severe enough that they even > get a diagnosis and can begin treatment. Or maybe you get Transverse > Mylelitis. Ask Vicky about that one. There's the cancer risk. Some of > these mycotoxins are extremely carcinogenic. (I mean, some of them are > classed as biowarfare agents. Let's just say the DOD doesn't deal in fake > weapons. Look up T2 toxins.) Then there's all the other stuff that csm > can't bind that your liver can't handle on top of the extra duty it's > trying to pull with the mycotoxins. > > So, it's not like I'm just trying to scare you because maybe I disagree > with some choices you're making right now. It's that the risks are so > widespread and unpredictable and nasty that I don't know what's going to > happen to you. And you don't either. And you haven't got a prayer of > reducing your risks reliably until you get into a clean space and stay > there and do what you have to do to get yourself as well as you can get. > So, don't take anything I'm saying to you as a criticism. Take it as > concern. > > If you're as fogged up as a lot of us, you'll very predictably talk > yourself out of moving a whole bunch of times before you do something real > about it. I don't know why we do that, but I've seen it enough times now > to know that's just another part of it. It's something beyond just the > shock and the brain fog. It's like some weird mental twist we develop. We > can talk rationally, but our thinking abilities are altered in some > strange countersurvival ways. That's hard news, for somebody who makes > their living with their brain, that the thing doesn't work right - but you > aren't the first and I wasn't, either. (That part will, thankfully, clear > up a lot as you get well enough to spot new exposures before they really > take hold.) > > Anyway, tape this to your desk. Google everything I just said and verify > it til your eyeballs are ready to fall out. Take my word for absolutely > nothing. Check it out with other people on this board. They know, in ways > you don't want to have to experience. Check out the word from the > government-independent experts out there in the trenches. Do whatever you > have to, but satisfy yourself that I am telling you the plain unvarnished > truth about this. I told you before that you cannot calc some of this in > dollars and cents, and these are the things I meant when I said that to > you. If I'm lyin', I'm dyin', and you are perfectly welcome to call me on > anything I have said here that you think is wrong. I won't take it > personally. > > LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > I am thinking about moving, but as I have been unemployed for quite a > while, it would be difficult to get the money to move. I don't want to > live in the Midwest, but I am thinking about other places on the West > Coast, the Southwest and the East. I have also thought about perhaps > moving overseas for a while as it seems as if the US is going through > a bad time, kind of like the Great Depression, while at the same time > things in my field are booming in Europe right now. > > I live in the Bay Area, BTW, which has the highest rents in the US. > Yes, they are very high. > > But, I have lived here for a long time and this is where my friends > are, support network, the little I have, is, etc. > > > > On 12/22/05, Healthier4All <Healthier4All@...> wrote: >> >> >> .>>>From: >> [mailto: ] >> Exactly what I was thinking, Rosie. Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City are all >> good examples. IT people get the same or better money, and the jobs are >> just >> as plentiful per capita, but the cost of living is wayyyyy lower. It's >> like >> getting an instant raise of 20-30% ...>> >> >> I agree, we need to get realistic. I was trying to help a woman, >> recently >> on disability and housing; she wanted to remain in her upper class >> neighborhood but couldn't afford anything; she was camping in a tent in a >> friend's backyard to just have an " impressive " address. Estimates are we >> in >> Houston have over 100,000 Katrina survivors, cost of housing is lower in >> Houston than many other cities and they plan to stay...as you said >> instant >> raise. >> >> Rosie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> FAIR USE NOTICE: >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Amen KC!!!! Marcie tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: Bob, Your comments are completely uncalled for. If you would like to take it up with the person through email, please do so, but don't use this group as your personal podium to attack others. I will decide who stays and who goes, along with conversing with other long time members. What has happened on other boards is their problem, not ours. In my opinion has helped many on this board since its conception and has expressed to many of us many times what has worked for him and what is one of the main action that many of us need to take in order to recover and that is avoidance. Whether we can go to the extreme he has taken, that is each individuals decision. The main purpose for this board is so we can communicate with each other without fear of being attacked, to lend support, understanding, compassion and immediate guidance in the right direction. Because of the direction this type of dialogue has taken we have lost 2 members. One of which was a " newbie " . KC , It wasn't meant as an insult. I respect & admire what you have done > > Loni, his ego is large enough! He only cares about being right and it is obvious that he does not care about the people who are ill. why is he even allowed on a list with sick people? Go climb a mountain and leave us alone. > > Bob > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 hey gang, somebody asked me today if molds in the environment cause repeated miscarriages......i think it does, but does anybody have info on that? thanks, victoria Re: [] Re: Desperadoes > Another possibility might be a weekly. No, they are not all one big drug > fest. I mean the nicer ones where travelling business people stay.Some of > those are cheaper than apartments, too. > > See, the way this thing goes, you might get a lot better real quick - > which means you own the get out of jail free genes, and you'll get your > life back together quicker. And if you don't get better quick, it usually > means you got the _really_ lousy genes, and need to be in the mold even > less than people with the _merely_ bad genes. Thing is, the damage is > cumulative. It's not like you can just take some csm and think the damage > will stop. We were talking about hitting the wall a little earlier, and > that's part of the inflammatory response, where it turns on and can't turn > itself back off. There are other risks. There's the damage done to the > hypothalamus itself - not a set of responses, but actual organ damage. > Maybe it heals, maybe not. Then there's this growing suspicion that these > kinds of neurotoxins are at the bottom of some really nice diseases like > MS. Maybe you're a one attack wonder, and you never have to deal with it > again. Or maybe you get primary progressive MS! > , and > eventually can't walk any more, or control your bladder, or manage a > keyboard, and then it's like the mold illness only worse and forever. Most > people go 7 years before thee damage becomes severe enough that they even > get a diagnosis and can begin treatment. Or maybe you get Transverse > Mylelitis. Ask Vicky about that one. There's the cancer risk. Some of > these mycotoxins are extremely carcinogenic. (I mean, some of them are > classed as biowarfare agents. Let's just say the DOD doesn't deal in fake > weapons. Look up T2 toxins.) Then there's all the other stuff that csm > can't bind that your liver can't handle on top of the extra duty it's > trying to pull with the mycotoxins. > > So, it's not like I'm just trying to scare you because maybe I disagree > with some choices you're making right now. It's that the risks are so > widespread and unpredictable and nasty that I don't know what's going to > happen to you. And you don't either. And you haven't got a prayer of > reducing your risks reliably until you get into a clean space and stay > there and do what you have to do to get yourself as well as you can get. > So, don't take anything I'm saying to you as a criticism. Take it as > concern. > > If you're as fogged up as a lot of us, you'll very predictably talk > yourself out of moving a whole bunch of times before you do something real > about it. I don't know why we do that, but I've seen it enough times now > to know that's just another part of it. It's something beyond just the > shock and the brain fog. It's like some weird mental twist we develop. We > can talk rationally, but our thinking abilities are altered in some > strange countersurvival ways. That's hard news, for somebody who makes > their living with their brain, that the thing doesn't work right - but you > aren't the first and I wasn't, either. (That part will, thankfully, clear > up a lot as you get well enough to spot new exposures before they really > take hold.) > > Anyway, tape this to your desk. Google everything I just said and verify > it til your eyeballs are ready to fall out. Take my word for absolutely > nothing. Check it out with other people on this board. They know, in ways > you don't want to have to experience. Check out the word from the > government-independent experts out there in the trenches. Do whatever you > have to, but satisfy yourself that I am telling you the plain unvarnished > truth about this. I told you before that you cannot calc some of this in > dollars and cents, and these are the things I meant when I said that to > you. If I'm lyin', I'm dyin', and you are perfectly welcome to call me on > anything I have said here that you think is wrong. I won't take it > personally. > > LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > I am thinking about moving, but as I have been unemployed for quite a > while, it would be difficult to get the money to move. I don't want to > live in the Midwest, but I am thinking about other places on the West > Coast, the Southwest and the East. I have also thought about perhaps > moving overseas for a while as it seems as if the US is going through > a bad time, kind of like the Great Depression, while at the same time > things in my field are booming in Europe right now. > > I live in the Bay Area, BTW, which has the highest rents in the US. > Yes, they are very high. > > But, I have lived here for a long time and this is where my friends > are, support network, the little I have, is, etc. > > > > On 12/22/05, Healthier4All <Healthier4All@...> wrote: >> >> >> .>>>From: >> [mailto: ] >> Exactly what I was thinking, Rosie. Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City are all >> good examples. IT people get the same or better money, and the jobs are >> just >> as plentiful per capita, but the cost of living is wayyyyy lower. It's >> like >> getting an instant raise of 20-30% ...>> >> >> I agree, we need to get realistic. I was trying to help a woman, >> recently >> on disability and housing; she wanted to remain in her upper class >> neighborhood but couldn't afford anything; she was camping in a tent in a >> friend's backyard to just have an " impressive " address. Estimates are we >> in >> Houston have over 100,000 Katrina survivors, cost of housing is lower in >> Houston than many other cities and they plan to stay...as you said >> instant >> raise. >> >> Rosie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> FAIR USE NOTICE: >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I Did read that somewhere. Mold exposure can cause miscarriages. SW -- Re: [] Re: Desperadoes hey gang, somebody asked me today if molds in the environment cause repeated miscarriages......i think it does, but does anybody have info on that? thanks, victoria Re: [] Re: Desperadoes > Another possibility might be a weekly. No, they are not all one big drug > fest. I mean the nicer ones where travelling business people stay.Some of > those are cheaper than apartments, too. > > See, the way this thing goes, you might get a lot better real quick - > which means you own the get out of jail free genes, and you'll get your > life back together quicker. And if you don't get better quick, it usually > means you got the _really_ lousy genes, and need to be in the mold even > less than people with the _merely_ bad genes. Thing is, the damage is > cumulative. It's not like you can just take some csm and think the damage > will stop. We were talking about hitting the wall a little earlier, and > that's part of the inflammatory response, where it turns on and can't turn > itself back off. There are other risks. There's the damage done to the > hypothalamus itself - not a set of responses, but actual organ damage. > Maybe it heals, maybe not. Then there's this growing suspicion that these > kinds of neurotoxins are at the bottom of some really nice diseases like > MS. Maybe you're a one attack wonder, and you never have to deal with it > again. Or maybe you get primary progressive MS! > , and > eventually can't walk any more, or control your bladder, or manage a > keyboard, and then it's like the mold illness only worse and forever. Most > people go 7 years before thee damage becomes severe enough that they even > get a diagnosis and can begin treatment. Or maybe you get Transverse > Mylelitis. Ask Vicky about that one. There's the cancer risk. Some of > these mycotoxins are extremely carcinogenic. (I mean, some of them are > classed as biowarfare agents. Let's just say the DOD doesn't deal in fake > weapons. Look up T2 toxins.) Then there's all the other stuff that csm > can't bind that your liver can't handle on top of the extra duty it's > trying to pull with the mycotoxins. > > So, it's not like I'm just trying to scare you because maybe I disagree > with some choices you're making right now. It's that the risks are so > widespread and unpredictable and nasty that I don't know what's going to > happen to you. And you don't either. And you haven't got a prayer of > reducing your risks reliably until you get into a clean space and stay > there and do what you have to do to get yourself as well as you can get. > So, don't take anything I'm saying to you as a criticism. Take it as > concern. > > If you're as fogged up as a lot of us, you'll very predictably talk > yourself out of moving a whole bunch of times before you do something real > about it. I don't know why we do that, but I've seen it enough times now > to know that's just another part of it. It's something beyond just the > shock and the brain fog. It's like some weird mental twist we develop. We > can talk rationally, but our thinking abilities are altered in some > strange countersurvival ways. That's hard news, for somebody who makes > their living with their brain, that the thing doesn't work right - but you > aren't the first and I wasn't, either. (That part will, thankfully, clear > up a lot as you get well enough to spot new exposures before they really > take hold.) > > Anyway, tape this to your desk. Google everything I just said and verify > it til your eyeballs are ready to fall out. Take my word for absolutely > nothing. Check it out with other people on this board. They know, in ways > you don't want to have to experience. Check out the word from the > government-independent experts out there in the trenches. Do whatever you > have to, but satisfy yourself that I am telling you the plain unvarnished > truth about this. I told you before that you cannot calc some of this in > dollars and cents, and these are the things I meant when I said that to > you. If I'm lyin', I'm dyin', and you are perfectly welcome to call me on > anything I have said here that you think is wrong. I won't take it > personally. > > LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > I am thinking about moving, but as I have been unemployed for quite a > while, it would be difficult to get the money to move. I don't want to > live in the Midwest, but I am thinking about other places on the West > Coast, the Southwest and the East. I have also thought about perhaps > moving overseas for a while as it seems as if the US is going through > a bad time, kind of like the Great Depression, while at the same time > things in my field are booming in Europe right now. > > I live in the Bay Area, BTW, which has the highest rents in the US. > Yes, they are very high. > > But, I have lived here for a long time and this is where my friends > are, support network, the little I have, is, etc. > > > > On 12/22/05, Healthier4All <Healthier4All@...> wrote: >> >> >> .>>>From: >> [mailto: ] >> Exactly what I was thinking, Rosie. Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City are all >> good examples. IT people get the same or better money, and the jobs are >> just >> as plentiful per capita, but the cost of living is wayyyyy lower. It's >> like >> getting an instant raise of 20-30% ...>> >> >> I agree, we need to get realistic. I was trying to help a woman, >> recently >> on disability and housing; she wanted to remain in her upper class >> neighborhood but couldn't afford anything; she was camping in a tent in a >> friend's backyard to just have an " impressive " address. Estimates are we >> in >> Houston have over 100,000 Katrina survivors, cost of housing is lower in >> Houston than many other cities and they plan to stay...as you said >> instant >> raise. >> >> Rosie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> FAIR USE NOTICE: >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 thanks, mary. take care, & MERRY CHRISTMAS! victoria Re: [] Re: Desperadoes > > >> Another possibility might be a weekly. No, they are not all one big drug >> fest. I mean the nicer ones where travelling business people stay.Some of >> those are cheaper than apartments, too. >> >> See, the way this thing goes, you might get a lot better real quick - >> which means you own the get out of jail free genes, and you'll get your >> life back together quicker. And if you don't get better quick, it usually >> means you got the _really_ lousy genes, and need to be in the mold even >> less than people with the _merely_ bad genes. Thing is, the damage is >> cumulative. It's not like you can just take some csm and think the damage >> will stop. We were talking about hitting the wall a little earlier, and >> that's part of the inflammatory response, where it turns on and can't >> turn >> itself back off. There are other risks. There's the damage done to the >> hypothalamus itself - not a set of responses, but actual organ damage. >> Maybe it heals, maybe not. Then there's this growing suspicion that these >> kinds of neurotoxins are at the bottom of some really nice diseases like >> MS. Maybe you're a one attack wonder, and you never have to deal with it >> again. Or maybe you get primary progressive MS! >> , and >> eventually can't walk any more, or control your bladder, or manage a >> keyboard, and then it's like the mold illness only worse and forever. >> Most >> people go 7 years before thee damage becomes severe enough that they even >> get a diagnosis and can begin treatment. Or maybe you get Transverse >> Mylelitis. Ask Vicky about that one. There's the cancer risk. Some of >> these mycotoxins are extremely carcinogenic. (I mean, some of them are >> classed as biowarfare agents. Let's just say the DOD doesn't deal in fake >> weapons. Look up T2 toxins.) Then there's all the other stuff that csm >> can't bind that your liver can't handle on top of the extra duty it's >> trying to pull with the mycotoxins. >> >> So, it's not like I'm just trying to scare you because maybe I disagree >> with some choices you're making right now. It's that the risks are so >> widespread and unpredictable and nasty that I don't know what's going to >> happen to you. And you don't either. And you haven't got a prayer of >> reducing your risks reliably until you get into a clean space and stay >> there and do what you have to do to get yourself as well as you can get. >> So, don't take anything I'm saying to you as a criticism. Take it as >> concern. >> >> If you're as fogged up as a lot of us, you'll very predictably talk >> yourself out of moving a whole bunch of times before you do something >> real >> about it. I don't know why we do that, but I've seen it enough times now >> to know that's just another part of it. It's something beyond just the >> shock and the brain fog. It's like some weird mental twist we develop. We >> can talk rationally, but our thinking abilities are altered in some >> strange countersurvival ways. That's hard news, for somebody who makes >> their living with their brain, that the thing doesn't work right - but >> you >> aren't the first and I wasn't, either. (That part will, thankfully, >> clear >> up a lot as you get well enough to spot new exposures before they really >> take hold.) >> >> Anyway, tape this to your desk. Google everything I just said and verify >> it til your eyeballs are ready to fall out. Take my word for absolutely >> nothing. Check it out with other people on this board. They know, in ways >> you don't want to have to experience. Check out the word from the >> government-independent experts out there in the trenches. Do whatever you >> have to, but satisfy yourself that I am telling you the plain unvarnished >> truth about this. I told you before that you cannot calc some of this in >> dollars and cents, and these are the things I meant when I said that to >> you. If I'm lyin', I'm dyin', and you are perfectly welcome to call me on >> anything I have said here that you think is wrong. I won't take it >> personally. >> >> LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: >> I am thinking about moving, but as I have been unemployed for quite a >> while, it would be difficult to get the money to move. I don't want to >> live in the Midwest, but I am thinking about other places on the West >> Coast, the Southwest and the East. I have also thought about perhaps >> moving overseas for a while as it seems as if the US is going through >> a bad time, kind of like the Great Depression, while at the same time >> things in my field are booming in Europe right now. >> >> I live in the Bay Area, BTW, which has the highest rents in the US. >> Yes, they are very high. >> >> But, I have lived here for a long time and this is where my friends >> are, support network, the little I have, is, etc. >> >> >> >> On 12/22/05, Healthier4All <Healthier4All@...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> .>>>From: >>> [mailto: ] >>> Exactly what I was thinking, Rosie. Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City are >>> all >>> good examples. IT people get the same or better money, and the jobs are >>> just >>> as plentiful per capita, but the cost of living is wayyyyy lower. It's >>> like >>> getting an instant raise of 20-30% ...>> >>> >>> I agree, we need to get realistic. I was trying to help a woman, >>> recently >>> on disability and housing; she wanted to remain in her upper class >>> neighborhood but couldn't afford anything; she was camping in a tent in >>> a >>> friend's backyard to just have an " impressive " address. Estimates are >>> we >>> in >>> Houston have over 100,000 Katrina survivors, cost of housing is lower in >>> Houston than many other cities and they plan to stay...as you said >>> instant >>> raise. >>> >>> Rosie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> FAIR USE NOTICE: >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 I've had friends who were forced out of their homes. They just disappear. I don't have a support network. Not many people do, that would let them live with them, indefinitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 Yes, many mycotoxins are 'teratogenic' which means that they cause birth defects of various kinds. When a fetus is deformed enough so that it is not viable, often it doesn't survive very long in the womb. Then the mothers body expels it.. i.e. 'miscarriage' Forcing people to live with poisons is a 'miscarriage' of justice, also. On 12/23/05, Sheehan <msheeh02@...> wrote: > I Did read that somewhere. Mold exposure can cause miscarriages. > SW > > -- Re: [] Re: Desperadoes > > hey gang, somebody asked me today if molds in the environment cause repeated > miscarriages......i think it does, but does anybody have info on that? > > thanks, > victoria > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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