Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Is it possible I an sue the builder for building on this wet land and covering up the wet crawl space by putting dry dirt down and plastic? Sue due to health reasons. I'm not sure what NC laws are about molds but if building inspectors and builders keep building on bad land, it must not be possible to sue them. I live on a slope downward land towards house and I didn't know better 12 years ago but did contact the builder after finding standing water in crawlspace and I could dip it out with a bucket and it would bubble back up. High water table or spring. He came and rigged up something just to band aid it and sent people there, amateurs that only put drains at low end of house in front and side which is stupid b/c water goes thru the crawlspace before getting to them. I really have rage towards that builder too for doing this to me. It's ruined my health and affects my life daily. I actually see black mold on insulation but do not know if the toxic kind. Had black looking mold all over my storm doors I cleaned off and found some on window seals also. Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Can you sell and move? On 12/29/05, Rhonda <rhondaleokitty@...> wrote: > Is it possible I an sue the builder for building on this wet land and > covering up the wet crawl space by putting dry dirt down and plastic? > Sue due to health reasons. I'm not sure what NC laws are about molds > but if building inspectors and builders keep building on bad land, it > must not be possible to sue them. I live on a slope downward land > towards house and I didn't know better 12 years ago but did contact the > builder after finding standing water in crawlspace and I could dip it > out with a bucket and it would bubble back up. High water table or > spring. He came and rigged up something just to band aid it and sent > people there, amateurs that only put drains at low end of house in > front and side which is stupid b/c water goes thru the crawlspace > before getting to them. I really have rage towards that builder too > for doing this to me. It's ruined my health and affects my life > daily. I actually see black mold on insulation but do not know if the > toxic kind. Had black looking mold all over my storm doors I cleaned > off and found some on window seals also. > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Can I sell a house that has visable mold and you can smell sour stuff coming from my air vents when air is running? I think the visable damp crawl space and visable mold in crawl space will not pass inspection. Won't spores be still all over the inside of my house and on everything I own? Will I take this stuff with me if moving? > > Is it possible I an sue the builder for building on this wet land and > > covering up the wet crawl space by putting dry dirt down and plastic? > > Sue due to health reasons. I'm not sure what NC laws are about molds > > but if building inspectors and builders keep building on bad land, it > > must not be possible to sue them. I live on a slope downward land > > towards house and I didn't know better 12 years ago but did contact the > > builder after finding standing water in crawlspace and I could dip it > > out with a bucket and it would bubble back up. High water table or > > spring. He came and rigged up something just to band aid it and sent > > people there, amateurs that only put drains at low end of house in > > front and side which is stupid b/c water goes thru the crawlspace > > before getting to them. I really have rage towards that builder too > > for doing this to me. It's ruined my health and affects my life > > daily. I actually see black mold on insulation but do not know if the > > toxic kind. Had black looking mold all over my storm doors I cleaned > > off and found some on window seals also. > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 You can sell it but if you know about it, you have to disclose it to the buyer. Marcie Rhonda <rhondaleokitty@...> wrote: Can I sell a house that has visable mold and you can smell sour stuff coming from my air vents when air is running? I think the visable damp crawl space and visable mold in crawl space will not pass inspection. Won't spores be still all over the inside of my house and on everything I own? Will I take this stuff with me if moving? > > Is it possible I an sue the builder for building on this wet land and > > covering up the wet crawl space by putting dry dirt down and plastic? > > Sue due to health reasons. I'm not sure what NC laws are about molds > > but if building inspectors and builders keep building on bad land, it > > must not be possible to sue them. I live on a slope downward land > > towards house and I didn't know better 12 years ago but did contact the > > builder after finding standing water in crawlspace and I could dip it > > out with a bucket and it would bubble back up. High water table or > > spring. He came and rigged up something just to band aid it and sent > > people there, amateurs that only put drains at low end of house in > > front and side which is stupid b/c water goes thru the crawlspace > > before getting to them. I really have rage towards that builder too > > for doing this to me. It's ruined my health and affects my life > > daily. I actually see black mold on insulation but do not know if the > > toxic kind. Had black looking mold all over my storm doors I cleaned > > off and found some on window seals also. > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 I seriously doubt anybody in their right mind would buy a house that has a water drainage problem and wet crawl space with visable molds and air stinks a lot when ac/heat is on. I wonder why I don't smell it all the time but maybe I do and get use to it. This all is driving me nuts and now I just do not know who to choose to clean up or if to test. Wanted to test what's in air system just to stick the paper up the people's nose that keep saying crap to me. I could seriouly hurt these people. I'd like to lock them in my crawl space forever. LOL that would be punishment!:0) My neighbor's house goes downhill from mine and she tried to sell and NOBODY wanted that house. Her house smells like mold and she has a major problem too but I haven't talked to her lately to tell her I think my brain lesion and symptoms are from the mold/bacteria but plan too. She has two kids too she needs to think about. Rhonda going insane > > > Is it possible I an sue the builder for building on this wet land > and > > > covering up the wet crawl space by putting dry dirt down and > plastic? > > > Sue due to health reasons. I'm not sure what NC laws are about > molds > > > but if building inspectors and builders keep building on bad > land, it > > > must not be possible to sue them. I live on a slope downward land > > > towards house and I didn't know better 12 years ago but did > contact the > > > builder after finding standing water in crawlspace and I could > dip it > > > out with a bucket and it would bubble back up. High water table > or > > > spring. He came and rigged up something just to band aid it and > sent > > > people there, amateurs that only put drains at low end of house in > > > front and side which is stupid b/c water goes thru the crawlspace > > > before getting to them. I really have rage towards that builder > too > > > for doing this to me. It's ruined my health and affects my life > > > daily. I actually see black mold on insulation but do not know > if the > > > toxic kind. Had black looking mold all over my storm doors I > cleaned > > > off and found some on window seals also. > > > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 You can sell anything that someone will buy, provided that you sell it as-is and reveal all you know about the state of the house. A house only " fails " a home inspection if the people who order it decide not to buy it. taking your stuff with you depends if you are reactive to it. washing and hepa vacuming might be precaution enough- it all depends on how sick you are, and how reactive to your stuff- if you think you are treacting to your brlongings- put them in storage untill you can figure it out. > > > Is it possible I an sue the builder for building on this wet land > and > > > covering up the wet crawl space by putting dry dirt down and > plastic? > > > Sue due to health reasons. I'm not sure what NC laws are about > molds > > > but if building inspectors and builders keep building on bad > land, it > > > must not be possible to sue them. I live on a slope downward land > > > towards house and I didn't know better 12 years ago but did > contact the > > > builder after finding standing water in crawlspace and I could > dip it > > > out with a bucket and it would bubble back up. High water table > or > > > spring. He came and rigged up something just to band aid it and > sent > > > people there, amateurs that only put drains at low end of house in > > > front and side which is stupid b/c water goes thru the crawlspace > > > before getting to them. I really have rage towards that builder > too > > > for doing this to me. It's ruined my health and affects my life > > > daily. I actually see black mold on insulation but do not know > if the > > > toxic kind. Had black looking mold all over my storm doors I > cleaned > > > off and found some on window seals also. > > > > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Many people tear (or burn) the houses down and then sell the land. In some (typically highly urbanized) areas the land is worth more without anything on it than when there is a building there. I don't think selling a house 'as is' is ethical because OFTEN the owner then does a cosmetic makeover (i.e. paints over the mold) and then sells it to some unsuspecting poor person who thinks they are getting a deal.. (or who pays full market rate, more frequently..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Rhonda, The following was on the local news on 12/26/05, and I thought you might find it interesting. Unfortunately, it only pertains to New Jersey. Barb E. Dec 26, 2005 11:00 pm US/Eastern 3 On Your Side: New Ally For NJ Homeowners Image Jim Donovan Reporting (CBS 3) PHILADELPHIA Imagine investing your life savings into building a new home and then you can not live in it. One family on the Jersey Shore does not have to imagine it because it's happening to them. 3 On Your Side’s Jim Donovan reports on how homeowners may have a new ally on their side. " My wife was waking up with itchy eyes and my kids were coughing, I'm coughing, we just thought it was allergies, " said homeowner Carlin. " When we started seeing mold coming out of the vents on the walls, we knew we had a big problem. " Mold is a big problem with a big price tag. The Carlin’s brand new Ocean City dream home was contaminated with mold. The problem is believed to have started in the crawlspace beneath the house. " The top of the yard is not graded properly so water comes down instead of flowing outside, said the Carlin’s attorney, April. By the time the problem was uncovered, the damage was done. Moisture caused mold to spread through the house through the air ducts. " I cannot believe that throughout the stages of this house being built that no one saw what was going on underneath the house,” said Carlin. When a new home is built, it has to pass multiple building code inspections before a certificate of occupancy is issued. In the past once that C.O. was granted, builders could pretty much walk away. New home warranties are often difficult to enforce and homeowners usually have to resort to litigation when tackling costly problems. The Carlin's contend their property did not meet local building codes and they are suing their builder and other contractors. But they are also taking it a step further by pressuring Ocean City officials to take action as well. The action was prompted by a New Jersey Supreme Court ruling this year that says that even if a municipality has signed off on a property, it can still issue fines for building code violations at a later date. " If a building inspector missed something during that inspection before the C.O. was issued, that the building inspector can come back later and issue a violation for non-compliance,” described April. For new homeowners in New Jersey, this gives them an ally they did not previously have. " It was a big change it doesn't let the builder off the hook anymore,” said April. After waiting 15 months, Ocean City officials finally visited the Carlin’s home recently to see the problems for themselves. The Carlin's are hopeful the city will take action against their builder and contractors very soon. Click Here to learn more about this years ruling that allows New Jersey towns and cities to issue fines for shoddy construction. (© MMV, CBS Broadcasting, Inc. .) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 I found paperwork from 12 years ago and seems the builder did sort of what the mortgage company said to do and inspector after I got an attorney. I also knew what they did wasn't going to work but was so tired of fighting the builder, mortgage company about this water hole. Now, I wonder if I can sue b/c what they did do is faulty and lead up to a mess. I still can't decide if I should have the air tested to see if anything toxic and whether the $200 places are just as good as teh $500 ones for testing. Thought maybe I'd call and see once again if my plenum can be replaced and air ducts also but the new one will get contaminated sooner or later also if molds are under the house but new plenums do not have the fiberboard insulation which is most likely what I have. I remember seeing something that looked like cardboard and it was WET when the AC guy showed me last summer. It was wet in there and hard to really see but did see splotchy marks all over. He didn't seem like he replaced plenums b/c he gave me names but no one called me back so I thought it must not be possible for plenums to be replaced. I will try again this week. $5000 just seems ridiculous for mold remediation and $500 for testing. I have a call in for a est. for waterproofing also. And going to call an attorney to see if they think I have a case. The house should be enough but my health also.....course they can say no way of proving brain lesion came from molds BUT if I do testing and they are toxic molds, that is proof. Since my air coming thru vents stinks like sour I would bet it is nasty in there with bacteria and molds. I'm just glad I found this group b/c everyone else is backing away. Even my brother in law said he won't give me adivce b/c if it turns out wrong, he'd feel bad. How cowardly is that and he runs a water sprinkler business. Also have a friend that was a contractor and all he can say is you probably don't have anything toxic in your air when he has MOLD growing on his walls and has no memory ETC. Please...... but he is now reading about toxic molds and realizes they are TOXIC. He claims plants are growing out of cracks in his walls. His problem is probably worse than mine!! I've got to find out more about NC laws on sueing builders. Rhonda > > Rhonda, > > The following was on the local news on 12/26/05, and I > thought you might find it interesting. Unfortunately, > it only pertains to New Jersey. > > Barb E. > > Dec 26, 2005 11:00 pm US/Eastern > 3 On Your Side: New Ally For NJ Homeowners > Image > > Jim Donovan > Reporting > > (CBS 3) PHILADELPHIA Imagine investing your life > savings into building a new home and then you can not > live in it. One family on the Jersey Shore does not > have to imagine it because it's happening to them. 3 > On Your Side's Jim Donovan reports on how homeowners > may have a new ally on their side. > > " My wife was waking up with itchy eyes and my kids > were coughing, I'm coughing, we just thought it was > allergies, " said homeowner Carlin. " When we > started seeing mold coming out of the vents on the > walls, we knew we had a big problem. " > > Mold is a big problem with a big price tag. The > Carlin's brand new Ocean City dream home was > contaminated with mold. > > The problem is believed to have started in the > crawlspace beneath the house. > > " The top of the yard is not graded properly so water > comes down instead of flowing outside, > said the Carlin's attorney, April. > > By the time the problem was uncovered, the damage was > done. Moisture caused mold to spread through the house > through the air ducts. > > " I cannot believe that throughout the stages of this > house being built that no one saw what was going on > underneath the house, " said Carlin. > > When a new home is built, it has to pass multiple > building code inspections before a certificate of > occupancy is issued. > > In the past once that C.O. was granted, builders could > pretty much walk away. > > New home warranties are often difficult to enforce and > homeowners usually have to resort to litigation when > tackling costly problems. > > The Carlin's contend their property did not meet local > building codes and they are suing their builder and > other contractors. > > But they are also taking it a step further by > pressuring Ocean City officials to take action as > well. > > The action was prompted by a New Jersey Supreme Court > ruling this year that says that even if a municipality > has signed off on a property, it can still issue fines > for building code violations at a later date. > > " If a building inspector missed something during that > inspection before the C.O. was issued, that the > building inspector can come back later and issue a > violation for non-compliance, " described April. > > For new homeowners in New Jersey, this gives them an > ally they did not previously have. > > " It was a big change it doesn't let the builder off > the hook anymore, " said April. > > After waiting 15 months, Ocean City officials finally > visited the Carlin's home recently to see the problems > for themselves. > > The Carlin's are hopeful the city will take action > against their builder and contractors very soon. > > Click Here to learn more about this years ruling that > allows New Jersey towns and cities to issue fines for > shoddy construction. > > (© MMV, CBS Broadcasting, Inc. .) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Are you taking cholestyramine? Also, you *need* to clean out whatever ducts you have and make sure that you are not continuing to inhale that stuff in any way you can. If you have not already, buy a BIG air cleaner too. Not the little ones from Wallgreens, a big, high-volume unit that can move serious air through it. I have a Whirlpool " Whispure " 450 unit that I paid about $250 for and it seems to create a sort of safe zone in the room it is in.. I got it because it was top rated in Consumer Reports and indeed, it is ten times better than the Holmes unit it replaced. Seriously... Do this now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 I went crazy trying to find a air purifier last year and ended up with a Oreck and sent it back. Also, someone with a Holmes said they came home with the unit smokin so I worry that the plug in kind can be a fire hazard and they can if you run 24/7. So which kind is really the best and not a fire hazard. Most time they run when we are sleeping and if working a long time. So I don't know if or which air purifiers are worth it and work. Rhonda > > Are you taking cholestyramine? > > Also, you *need* to clean out whatever ducts you have and make sure > that you are not continuing to inhale that stuff in any way you can. > > If you have not already, buy a BIG air cleaner too. Not the little > ones from Wallgreens, a big, high-volume unit that can move serious > air through it. > > I have a Whirlpool " Whispure " 450 unit that I paid about $250 for and > it seems to create a sort of safe zone in the room it is in.. I got it > because it was top rated in Consumer Reports and indeed, it is ten > times better than the Holmes unit it replaced. > > Seriously... Do this now.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 In my experience, the Whirlpool Whispure AP450 helps a lot. We have a *SERIOUS* mold problem in our building and our mold is definitely toxic. (verified by a top env. lab, for what its worth.) We have tried everything, vacumning every day, fans in windows going all the time, etc. But the Whispure 450 air cleaner, which is huge (the size of a 19 " TV set) and moves a lot of air, has been the biggest help of anything except for CSM. As of right now, it is making our bedroom (where we keep it) sort of a safe zone. Unfortunately, it can't clean the whole house. Other rooms still are varying degrees of toxic. Its in our walls, and probably, attic and paint. But it has done wonders for this one room, where we sleep.. VERY IMPORTANT I still have hell days.. I still can't do serious cleaning without getting sick, even with mask and all windows and doors open with fans in them... but the air cleaner helps so much we are thinking about getting a second one. You can HEPA vacumn the HEPA filter and pre-filter to extend their life, as well. (the HEPA filter is $80 and is supposed to last half a year..haven't gotten there yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 > I still can't decide if I should have the air tested to see if > anything toxic and whether the $200 places are just as good as teh > $500 ones for testing. If you have mold, it is going to be toxic to some degree. Testing would only do you some good if you are going to litigate, and you would need to find a lawyer to take it on, which is not easy to do. > > Thought maybe I'd call and see once again if my plenum can be > replaced and air ducts also but the new one will get contaminated > sooner or later also if molds are under the house but new plenums do > not have the fiberboard insulation which is most likely what I > have. I remember seeing something that looked like cardboard and it > was WET when the AC guy showed me last summer. It was wet in there > and hard to really see but did see splotchy marks all over. He > didn't seem like he replaced plenums b/c he gave me names but no one > called me back so I thought it must not be possible for plenums to > be replaced. I will try again this week. $5000 just seems > ridiculous for mold remediation and $500 for testing. I have a call > in for a est. for waterproofing also. And going to call an > attorney to see if they think I have a case. The house should be > enough but my health also.....course they can say no way of proving > brain lesion came from molds BUT if I do testing and they are toxic > molds, that is proof. Since my air coming thru vents stinks like > sour I would bet it is nasty in there with bacteria and molds. Remediation is expensive. 5000 is not that much, I am much more in debt than that for my house. It really depends on what they are going to do- what lengths they are going to go through to protect your health while they are working, is one important thing. It sounds like you are making good sense, removing the plenum (and insulation) and replacing with sheet metal. It also sounds like you need to have some kind of water removal system installed under the house to get rid of the water problem. There are different kinds. I looked into a tiling system for my basement, they break up the floor cement around the outside wall, and install drainage tile that lead to a sump pump to pump water outside. They work pretty well. Some people have had a couple of feet of water in the basement, and this system stopped the problem. This kind of thing is also really pricy- I don't think you could get one for 5 grand around here. But, there may be a system using the same principles that you can get put in that would cost less and give you a similar effect. > > I'm just glad I found this group b/c everyone else is backing > away. Even my brother in law said he won't give me adivce b/c if > it turns out wrong, he'd feel bad. There are very few people that know what to do about this problem. I have a friend that is a contractor, he has taken some short seminars on mold abatement, etc. Yet his house is so moldy, I am sick today from visiting him. He is sympathetic, and a good friend, but this is a hard problem, and it seems to go against whatever " rules " learned by people working on houses in the last 20 or more years. Don't give up. Your health is the number one most important issue right now. When you start to feel better, and think more clearly, some of this will fall into place. I started doing this a year and a half ago, and it does get easier. Good luck and Best Wishes to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Is this Whirlpool Whispure quiet? What does HEPA vacuum mean? Is there some type of filter for vacuum cleaners or do you have to buy a certain HEPA vaccum? I may see if any AC people are working today b/c I really do not want to go under my house to look and see if I can find the drip pan and clean etc. I'm not sure if I have any of those cloth mask but they probably don't do much anyway. I'm going to see if I can get a new plenum withouth the fiberboard insulation and new air ducts. Get a de-humidifier but won't the mold get into that too? When people say insualte the outside of plenum, what kind of insulation and will that prevent mold from getting into the new plenum? Rhonda > > In my experience, the Whirlpool Whispure AP450 helps a lot. We have a > *SERIOUS* mold problem in our building and our mold is definitely > toxic. (verified by a top env. lab, for what its worth.) > > We have tried everything, vacumning every day, fans in windows going > all the time, etc. But the Whispure 450 air cleaner, which is huge > (the size of a 19 " TV set) and moves a lot of air, has been the > biggest help of anything except for CSM. As of right now, it is making > our bedroom (where we keep it) sort of a safe zone. Unfortunately, it > can't clean the whole house. Other rooms still are varying degrees of > toxic. Its in our walls, and probably, attic and paint. But it has > done wonders for this one room, where we sleep.. VERY IMPORTANT > > I still have hell days.. I still can't do serious cleaning without > getting sick, even with mask and all windows and doors open with fans > in them... but the air cleaner helps so much we are thinking about > getting a second one. You can HEPA vacumn the HEPA filter and > pre-filter to extend their life, as well. (the HEPA filter is $80 and > is supposed to last half a year..haven't gotten there yet) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 How expensive is sheet metal insulation? My house is under 900 squ ft. Mold is on the floor joist also and I really do not know where all it is. I know that plastic on the dirt needs to be taken out so dirt can start drying out b/c it will take years after waterproofing to dry out which will just lead to more mold. Rhonda > > > I still can't decide if I should have the air tested to see if > > anything toxic and whether the $200 places are just as good as teh > > $500 ones for testing. > > If you have mold, it is going to be toxic to some degree. Testing would only do you some > good if you are going to litigate, and you would need to find a lawyer to take it on, which > is not easy to do. > > > > > Thought maybe I'd call and see once again if my plenum can be > > replaced and air ducts also but the new one will get contaminated > > sooner or later also if molds are under the house but new plenums do > > not have the fiberboard insulation which is most likely what I > > have. I remember seeing something that looked like cardboard and it > > was WET when the AC guy showed me last summer. It was wet in there > > and hard to really see but did see splotchy marks all over. He > > didn't seem like he replaced plenums b/c he gave me names but no one > > called me back so I thought it must not be possible for plenums to > > be replaced. I will try again this week. $5000 just seems > > ridiculous for mold remediation and $500 for testing. I have a call > > in for a est. for waterproofing also. And going to call an > > attorney to see if they think I have a case. The house should be > > enough but my health also.....course they can say no way of proving > > brain lesion came from molds BUT if I do testing and they are toxic > > molds, that is proof. Since my air coming thru vents stinks like > > sour I would bet it is nasty in there with bacteria and molds. > > Remediation is expensive. 5000 is not that much, I am much more in debt than that for my > house. It really depends on what they are going to do- what lengths they are going to go > through to protect your health while they are working, is one important thing. > > It sounds like you are making good sense, removing the plenum (and insulation) and > replacing with sheet metal. > > It also sounds like you need to have some kind of water removal system installed under > the house to get rid of the water problem. There are different kinds. I looked into a tiling > system for my basement, they break up the floor cement around the outside wall, and > install drainage tile that lead to a sump pump to pump water outside. They work pretty > well. Some people have had a couple of feet of water in the basement, and this system > stopped the problem. This kind of thing is also really pricy- I don't think you could get > one for 5 grand around here. But, there may be a system using the same principles that > you can get put in that would cost less and give you a similar effect. > > > > > > I'm just glad I found this group b/c everyone else is backing > > away. Even my brother in law said he won't give me adivce b/c if > > it turns out wrong, he'd feel bad. > > There are very few people that know what to do about this problem. I have a friend that is > a contractor, he has taken some short seminars on mold abatement, etc. Yet his house is > so moldy, I am sick today from visiting him. He is sympathetic, and a good friend, but this > is a hard problem, and it seems to go against whatever " rules " learned by people working > on houses in the last 20 or more years. > > Don't give up. Your health is the number one most important issue right now. When you > start to feel better, and think more clearly, some of this will fall into place. I started doing > this a year and a half ago, and it does get easier. Good luck and Best Wishes to you. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Actually, only around 2% of homes tested for mold have stachybotrys. You need to have really high humidity (~80%) for stachy to start growing, its not a normal situation. Its higher (the percentage of moldy houses) for the others.. But not all molds are toxic, and there are big variations in how toxic they are. If you have stachy or aspergilus/penicillium, the chances are high that you have a seious problem. Chaetmonium, Alternaria and a few others are also neurotoxic, carcinogenic, etc. (but not as bad, it seems, life-ruining wise) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 That information came from a study that was originally published for the sole purpose of promoting the author's career and the aims of the business involved. The study itself was extremely flawed, and the original paper so states. If you go back read the original paper itself, you will see that this is so. You really have to get past this idea that just because you read it on the internet, it must be true. Try to remember that there is a large number of people who read this board, even those most do not post actively. Most of them have no immediate way to sort fact from fiction based on such an unqualified statement with no references given, and I would hate to think that anyone assumed its appearance here gave it some credibility. People's lives and health are at risk. That is why they are here. If you want to open these items for open discussion, that's one thing. But please be clear about it when you do so and post the links you used so others can see where you got the information. Otherwise, you put yourself in the position of furthering the very same propaganda that got us all here. LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Actually, only around 2% of homes tested for mold have stachybotrys. You need to have really high humidity (~80%) for stachy to start growing, its not a normal situation. Its higher (the percentage of moldy houses) for the others.. But not all molds are toxic, and there are big variations in how toxic they are. If you have stachy or aspergilus/penicillium, the chances are high that you have a seious problem. Chaetmonium, Alternaria and a few others are also neurotoxic, carcinogenic, etc. (but not as bad, it seems, life-ruining wise) FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I wasn't aware of those testing stats. I did have air testing in my condo and it confirmed high levels of stachybotrus. Also, I had central AC running on humid days. --- LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > Actually, only around 2% of homes tested for mold > have stachybotrys. > You need to have really high humidity (~80%) for > stachy to start > growing, its not a normal situation. > > Its higher (the percentage of moldy houses) for the > others.. But not > all molds are toxic, and there are big variations in > how toxic they > are. > > If you have stachy or aspergilus/penicillium, the > chances are high > that you have a seious problem. Chaetmonium, > Alternaria and a few > others are also neurotoxic, carcinogenic, etc. > > (but not as bad, it seems, life-ruining wise) > > > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I had some aspergillus in my home but at low levels, did the petry dish test. Outside had it too. It was not a marker mold. Do you think it's ok? Loni LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Actually, only around 2% of homes tested for mold have stachybotrys. You need to have really high humidity (~80%) for stachy to start growing, its not a normal situation. Its higher (the percentage of moldy houses) for the others.. But not all molds are toxic, and there are big variations in how toxic they are. If you have stachy or aspergilus/penicillium, the chances are high that you have a seious problem. Chaetmonium, Alternaria and a few others are also neurotoxic, carcinogenic, etc. (but not as bad, it seems, life-ruining wise) FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I had some aspergillus in my home but at low levels, did the petry dish test. Outside had it too. It was not a marker mold. Do you think it's ok? Loni LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Actually, only around 2% of homes tested for mold have stachybotrys. You need to have really high humidity (~80%) for stachy to start growing, its not a normal situation. Its higher (the percentage of moldy houses) for the others.. But not all molds are toxic, and there are big variations in how toxic they are. If you have stachy or aspergilus/penicillium, the chances are high that you have a seious problem. Chaetmonium, Alternaria and a few others are also neurotoxic, carcinogenic, etc. (but not as bad, it seems, life-ruining wise) FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Loni, There's not enough information to tell. And not just enough lab data but all the other information and details that go into answering this question. For example, if a person is extremely reactive to Aspergillus at low levels and the impact is life threatening AND they are reacting in the house AND there are no other likely causes, then the Aspergillus is a BIG problem no matter what the outside levels are. On the other hand, if a person is only mildly reactive to some molds but not Aspergillus, then the presence at any but the most outrageous level would most likely not be a problem. If the person is reactive in the house anyway then the source of exposure that they need to identify and stop is something else. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > I had some aspergillus in my home but at low levels, did the petry > dish test. Outside had it too. It was not a marker mold. Do you > think it's ok? Loni > > LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Actually, only around 2% > of homes tested for mold have stachybotrys. You need to have really > high humidity (~80%) for stachy to start growing, its not a normal > situation. > > Its higher (the percentage of moldy houses) for the others.. But not > all molds are toxic, and there are big variations in how toxic they > are. > > If you have stachy or aspergilus/penicillium, the chances are high > that you have a seious problem. Chaetmonium, Alternaria and a few > others are also neurotoxic, carcinogenic, etc. > > (but not as bad, it seems, life-ruining wise) > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Oh boy is it complicated, no telling I guess, thanks anyway Carl. Loni " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: Loni, There's not enough information to tell. And not just enough lab data but all the other information and details that go into answering this question. For example, if a person is extremely reactive to Aspergillus at low levels and the impact is life threatening AND they are reacting in the house AND there are no other likely causes, then the Aspergillus is a BIG problem no matter what the outside levels are. On the other hand, if a person is only mildly reactive to some molds but not Aspergillus, then the presence at any but the most outrageous level would most likely not be a problem. If the person is reactive in the house anyway then the source of exposure that they need to identify and stop is something else. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > I had some aspergillus in my home but at low levels, did the petry > dish test. Outside had it too. It was not a marker mold. Do you > think it's ok? Loni > > LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Actually, only around 2% > of homes tested for mold have stachybotrys. You need to have really > high humidity (~80%) for stachy to start growing, its not a normal > situation. > > Its higher (the percentage of moldy houses) for the others.. But not > all molds are toxic, and there are big variations in how toxic they > are. > > If you have stachy or aspergilus/penicillium, the chances are high > that you have a seious problem. Chaetmonium, Alternaria and a few > others are also neurotoxic, carcinogenic, etc. > > (but not as bad, it seems, life-ruining wise) > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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