Re: Desperadoes

[Guest guest]

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote: " carondeen " wrote:

> Move, you must move, to stay is to die,

to die or not to die, that is the question. For those of us who live, very few

will manage to enjoy the health which has.

Bob

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[Guest guest]

Yes although I am envious of & what he has accomplished, many of us cannot

live in a tailored made mobile home due to our families & responsibilities. Loni

Bob <blue74730@...> wrote:

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote: " carondeen " wrote:

> Move, you must move, to stay is to die,

to die or not to die, that is the question. For those of us who live, very few

will manage to enjoy the health which has.

Bob

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[Guest guest]

Loni Rosser < wrote:

>

> Yes although I am envious of & what he has accomplished, many

of us cannot live in a tailored made mobile home due to our families

& responsibilities. Loni

>

It's not like I just walked out of Mold Hell and jumped into my

custom " safe zone " and instantly started climbing mountains.

I was in the most aggressive experimental antiviral chemotherapy

program for CFS " at a point where most people commit suicide " , as Dr

told me.

I crawled outside and at the beginning, my walks were about twenty

five feet.

I thought that some people might find it compelling that someone

who was measurably ill in a NIH study program as verification, could

have found this level of relief by extreme avoidance.

Instead, I get attacked by CFSers who say this proves that I never

had " true CFS " and similarly attacked by mold victims who say that

since they can't climb mountains, this only proves that I wasn't a

sick as they are and my experience doesn't apply to them.

My situation was such that family and responsibilities could not

have been maintained anyway. I had no other options.

It seemed logical to me that people who felt they had been driven

to the point of no other choices left would be interested in the

details of an extreme avoidance lifestyle. Instead, my reports of

the improvement I've experienced are rejected as irrelevant instead

of an indication that perhaps I might have learned a few techniques

that others are not practicing.

It took me years to develope this strategy, design the tools, and

learn the skills that got me to this point.

After what I have been through, I am not about to apologize for my

success in mastering this difficult situation.

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[Guest guest]

One thing you might not have thought of is house or Apt sitting.

Even if you insist on staying in a place that may never be renovated-

and if it is , how could you stay through the renovation? When I

lived in the big city, people were allways looking for apt sitters,

and these were usually clean, nice apts. In the country, even more

people look for sitters, on nice big estates, or clean,tidy houses.

I had linned up two houses to move into last year, even with my dog,

but a friend came through and I moved in with her instead. My

breathing was so bad that I was frightened to live by myself. But if

you can walk and talk, I am sure you could find a free place to live

with minimal responsibilities- just checking on a house or apt the

same way you would in your own home or apt. Even at my worst I could

present a coherent front for alittle while. This is the perfect time

of year to look, as wealthy people often go away in Jan, sometimes

for several months.As soon as you start collecting a resume of apt

sitting, going from one place to another could become a reality.

Your apt being renovated is a perfect excuse to give for needing a

place to live. I put an add in a local paper. I have allways been

self-employed- so I have never had a job to use as a refference for

anything-. Good luck

>

> Where I live, people who try to live outside get killed all the

time..

> They might die of other things officially, but the real reason they

> die is poverty and lack of housing.

>

> Its a jungle out there. And I'm not talking about bad weather..

There

> is no safety net. Many of the homeless people whre I live HAVE

JOBS or

> Social 'Security' they just don't make enough to live on.

>

> (When you are that close to the edge, one glitch and you are over

the edge.)

>

> Just one example, people who work there LIVE IN THE PARKING LOT of

> WalMart. In cars, vans, etc.

>

> Seriously... Studios in even marginally safe neighborhoods and one

> bedroom apartments just about anywhere start at well over

$1000/month

>

> Given that environment, 'moving out' without someplace to move into

> will quite possibly kill you much faster than mold will.

>

[Guest guest]

My mom had to move out of her condo cuz of mold so she found an ad that

provided a room rent- free in a beautiful place and she walks the dog

several times a day. She put most of her stuff in storage, and will

deal with that later whether it can ever be cleaned or not. Luckily

the people go away a lot.

--- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@v...>

wrote:

>

> One thing you might not have thought of is house or Apt sitting.

> Even if you insist on staying in a place that may never be renovated-

> and if it is , how could you stay through the renovation? When I

> lived in the big city, people were allways looking for apt sitters,

> and these were usually clean, nice apts.

[Guest guest]

Bob,

Your comments are completely uncalled for. If you would like to take

it up with the person through email, please do so, but don't use

this group as your personal podium to attack others. I will decide

who stays and who goes, along with conversing with other long time

members. What has happened on other boards is their problem, not

ours. In my opinion has helped many on this board since its

conception and has expressed to many of us many times what has

worked for him and what is one of the main action that many of us

need to take in order to recover and that is avoidance. Whether we

can go to the extreme he has taken, that is each individuals

decision.

The main purpose for this board is so we can communicate with each

other without fear of being attacked, to lend support,

understanding, compassion and immediate guidance in the right

direction. Because of the direction this type of dialogue has taken

we have lost 2 members. One of which was a " newbie " .

KC

, It wasn't meant as an

insult. I respect & admire what you have done

>

> Loni, his ego is large enough! He only cares about being right

and it is obvious that he does not care about the people who are

ill. why is he even allowed on a list with sick people? Go climb a

mountain and leave us alone.

>

> Bob

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I spent part of Christmas visiting people in an area I identified as

a " Sick Region " several years ago.

It's gotten worse!

There is an area of the house which is a new addition, which had a

small leak which was quickly fixed - and yet it is the worst part of

the house.

The occupants, who are are not showing any overt signs of illness

tell me that a house nearby made the cover of the local paper when

everyone became ill from a colony which got started after a TV dish

was installed and the installer nicked a pipe with the screws.

The owners lost everything, (as usual) and the house had to be

gutted.

It's been resold and the new inhabitants seem to be doing well but

the " sickies " have disappeared.

It looks like mold plumes in Sick Regions rake entire areas, just

looking for that one slip-up, that one mistake, a leak, the

slightest opportunity to get a colony started.

Under conditions like this, I anticipate a whole new " generation "

of Desperadoes.

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