Re: Osteopathic College in Lebanon, Oregon?

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Vern,

All of this comes under the 'need for marketing' of chiropractic.

In today's Dr. Donohue's column is yet another example of the stall between MDs and DCs. Someone is asking about urinary incontinence...you guessed it: his reply says NOTHING about structural dysfunction and it's effect on the perineal nerves, not to mention the effectiveness of correcting the positioning of the sacrum in combatting this annoying condition. I just want to schreech when I read his column. People are not being taught that the care we provide will eliminate the majority of their everyday concerns.

Four or five years ago as the CAO considered the establishment of a similar column in Oregon's papers, the cost was calculated to be about $15,000/year. If we had the membership (are all of you listening out there?) we could do a project such as that where, on a DAILY basis, people could read about the little miracles we accomplish each day and the lives we restore each day.

As Dr. Wilks has so pointedly stated since the end of that trial, We need to let the public know about

ourselves. Not in a semi-splashy one-time splurge, but in a consistent, everyday manner, talking about the problems people have to put up with in their every day lives and how we improve those problems. If that could be pumped into the collective consciousness each day, people would/could begin to consider and appreciate these 'alternatives'.

Getting articles into the daily communication stream would be more for combatting this type of invasion better than anything else. this article about the potential extablishment of a new mecdical school on our on back porch seems to call for an article comparing the osteopaths with the chiropractors .... including our mission, our academics, our breadth of approach, our safety, all that stuff that creates us a logical entry into the health care systems....not to mention telling the people about the oh so very successful hospital study.

This calls for membership into your state organizations so we can be in a position to make these types of moves.

It takes all of us to keep all of us in practice!

my 2 cents this am....

Sunny ;'-))

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

Oregondcs CC: aca-members@...From: vsaboe@...Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:51:05 -0800Subject: "Osteopathic College in Lebanon, Oregon?"

Dear Colleagues,

In last night's "Albany Democrat-Herald newspaper it was announced that Samaritan Health Services and Western University of Health Sciences in Pomona, Calif are planning on developing a new college of osteopathic medicine in all places Lebanon, Oregon!

They refer to it as the first new medical school in over 100 years for Oregon. In the article the authors found it necessary to define what the hell "Osteopathy" is....which went like this....tell me if this doesn't sound a little familiar"

Osteopathy

"It's a field of medicine that focuses on the musculoskeletal system as well as other factors of the human body in healing itself. Osteopaths look at each patient's lifestyle and personal health factors - such as smoking, high blood pressure, cholesterol levels etc, - to help him develop a wellness lifestyle and preventive health care. Osteopaths earn a medical degree known as a D.O. and are licensed to prescribe medication and perform surgeries like their M.D. counter-parts. Where D.O.s and M.D.s differ is that osteopaths also incorporate manipulation of the skeletal system as part of a patient's overall treatment."

Sound a little like what we have been doing for sometime...Wellness eh? A branch of medicine eh? Would that be the same "health & wellness" profession that is responsible for:

Errors that makes them the 4th leading cause of death in this country roughly 98,000 deaths per year.

106,000 deaths each year due to "adverse drug events" a number which everyone on the face of planet is to low due to no reporting of such events....and at an estimated cost of $12 billion per year.

Hospital acquired infections resulting in 88,000 deaths per year.

Unnecessary procedures resulting in 37,136 deaths per year at an estimated cost of $122 billion.

32,000 deaths per year secondary to unnecessary surgical procedures at a cost of $9 billion.

Seems we really need to be consistent as a profession in defining ourselves to the lay public and do so as the natural, drug-free, healers we are.

Another interesting side bar in this article was that the rational for this new school was in hopes of filling the primary care physician shortage in the Mid Valley area of Oregon. The logical question is why do we need this school when we have Oregon Health Sciences Univ in Portland which is supposedly producing primary care doctors. The reality is only about 19% of first year medical school students are interested in primary care and that % is probably even gone down more since that study was done. Most med students opt for the more lucrative sub-specializes and starting a new osteopathic college in mid valley Oregon is unlikely to change this reality.

So what is it we need to do as a profession?

Vern Saboe, DC

Oregon

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Vern,

I see the Osteopaths haven't tried to teach the public about their original beliefs that the circulation in the body must be improved by manipulation, some of which are rather painful.

In the same way, we need a simple presentation that goes around the "treat three times a week for 30 years" prejudice and the "I don't want my neck twisted" fears.

We need to be out in front as the whole-body wellness oriented doctors who have been around for 112 years (no not you Vern!) and have been preaching fresh air, clean water, whole organic food and exercise since DD started in 1895.

We need to present a clear message that if the patient doesn't want a costly prescription drug (that will cause side effects) or surgery, there are other ways which we have been using for over 100 years. Not the new doctor, but an experienced hand at "helping bodies to heal themselves for over 100 years." I use that in every one of my talks, and people are amazed to learn we do something else beside "crack bones."

People are pleasantly surprised to find out that there are over 20 different ways to adjust from light to heavy force, that we use massage therapy and electrical therapy and that they can heal by eating whole food.

"So," as I said in my talk last night, "if you don't want a blood test just to be given a pill, try a change in lifestyle." The audience was shocked that I knew the words "Organic" and "Free-Range." After the talk, one of the audience came up and said, "I didn't know Chiropractors could treat with food!" After 14 years in practice, I shouldn't be shocked at people's perception of our profession, but there it is.

So can you put all this in a sentence or two? Will the public hear our message?

Christian Mathisen, D.C.

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR

cmathdc@...

"Osteopathic College in Lebanon, Oregon?"

Dear Colleagues,

In last night's "Albany Democrat-Herald newspaper it was announced that Samaritan Health Services and Western University of Health Sciences in Pomona, Calif are planning on developing a new college of osteopathic medicine in all places Lebanon, Oregon!

They refer to it as the first new medical school in over 100 years for Oregon. In the article the authors found it necessary to define what the hell "Osteopathy" is....which went like this....tell me if this doesn't sound a little familiar"

Osteopathy

"It's a field of medicine that focuses on the musculoskeletal system as well as other factors of the human body in healing itself. Osteopaths look at each patient's lifestyle and personal health factors - such as smoking, high blood pressure, cholesterol levels etc, - to help him develop a wellness lifestyle and preventive health care. Osteopaths earn a medical degree known as a D.O. and are licensed to prescribe medication and perform surgeries like their M.D. counter-parts. Where D.O.s and M.D.s differ is that osteopaths also incorporate manipulation of the skeletal system as part of a patient's overall treatment."

Sound a little like what we have been doing for sometime...Wellness eh? A branch of medicine eh? Would that be the same "health & wellness" profession that is responsible for:

Errors that makes them the 4th leading cause of death in this country roughly 98,000 deaths per year. 106,000 deaths each year due to "adverse drug events" a number which everyone on the face of planet is to low due to no reporting of such events....and at an estimated cost of $12 billion per year. Hospital acquired infections resulting in 88,000 deaths per year. Unnecessary procedures resulting in 37,136 deaths per year at an estimated cost of $122 billion. 32,000 deaths per year secondary to unnecessary surgical procedures at a cost of $9 billion.

Seems we really need to be consistent as a profession in defining ourselves to the lay public and do so as the natural, drug-free, healers we are.

Another interesting side bar in this article was that the rational for this new school was in hopes of filling the primary care physician shortage in the Mid Valley area of Oregon. The logical question is why do we need this school when we have Oregon Health Sciences Univ in Portland which is supposedly producing primary care doctors. The reality is only about 19% of first year medical school students are interested in primary care and that % is probably even gone down more since that study was done. Most med students opt for the more lucrative sub-specializes and starting a new osteopathic college in mid valley Oregon is unlikely to change this reality.

So what is it we need to do as a profession?

Vern Saboe, DC

Oregon

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From:

[mailto: ]On Behalf

Of Sunny Kierstyn

Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008

8:09 AM

Vern Saboe;

Cc: aca chiro list

Subject: RE:

" Osteopathic College in Lebanon, Oregon? "

Vern,

All of this comes under the 'need for marketing' of chiropractic.

In today's Dr. Donohue's column is yet another example of the stall between MDs

and DCs. Someone is asking about urinary incontinence...you guessed

it: his reply says NOTHING about structural dysfunction and it's effect

on the perineal nerves, not to mention the effectiveness of correcting the

positioning of the sacrum in combatting this annoying condition. I just

want to schreech when I read his column. People are not being taught that

the care we provide will eliminate the majority of their everyday

concerns.

Four or five years ago as the CAO considered the establishment of a similar

column in Oregon's papers, the cost was calculated to be about

$15,000/year. If we had the membership (are all of you listening out

there?) we could do a project such as that where, on a DAILY basis, people

could read about the little miracles we accomplish each day and the lives we

restore each day.

As Dr. Wilks has so pointedly stated since the end of that trial, We need to

let the public know about

ourselves. Not in a semi-splashy one-time splurge, but in

a consistent, everyday manner, talking about the problems people have to

put up with in their every day lives and how we improve those problems.

If that could be pumped into the collective consciousness each day, people

would/could begin to consider and appreciate these 'alternatives'.

Getting articles into the daily communication stream would be more for

combatting this type of invasion better than anything else. this article

about the potential extablishment of a new mecdical school on our on back

porch seems to call for an article comparing the osteopaths with the

chiropractors .... including our mission, our academics, our breadth of

approach, our safety, all that stuff that creates us a logical entry into the

health care systems....not to mention telling the people about the oh so very

successful hospital study.

This calls for membership into your state organizations so we can be in a

position to make these types of moves.

It takes all of us to keep all of us in practice!

my 2 cents this am....

Sunny ;'-))

Sunny

Kierstyn, RN DC

Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon

2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

To:

Oregondcs

CC: aca-members@...

From: vsaboe@...

Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:51:05 -0800

Subject: " Osteopathic College in Lebanon, Oregon? "

Dear Colleagues,

In last night's

" Albany Democrat-Herald newspaper it was announced that Samaritan Health

Services and Western University of Health Sciences in Pomona, Calif are

planning on developing a new college of osteopathic medicine in all places

Lebanon, Oregon!

They refer to it as the

first new medical school in over 100 years for Oregon. In the

article the authors found it necessary to define what the hell

" Osteopathy " is....which went like this....tell me if this doesn't

sound a little familiar "

Osteopathy

" It's a field of

medicine that focuses on the musculoskeletal system as well as other factors of

the human body in healing itself. Osteopaths look at each patient's

lifestyle and personal health factors - such as smoking, high blood pressure,

cholesterol levels etc, - to help him develop a wellness lifestyle and

preventive health care. Osteopaths earn a medical degree known as a D.O.

and are licensed to prescribe medication and perform surgeries like their M.D.

counter-parts. Where D.O.s and M.D.s differ is that osteopaths also

incorporate manipulation of the skeletal system as part of a patient's

overall treatment. "

Sound a little like what

we have been doing for sometime...Wellness eh? A branch of medicine

eh? Would that be the same " health & wellness " profession

that is responsible for:

·

Errors that makes them

the 4th leading cause of death in this country roughly 98,000 deaths per year.

·

106,000 deaths each year

due to " adverse drug events " a number which everyone on the face of

planet is to low due to no reporting of such events....and at an estimated cost

of $12 billion per year.

·

Hospital acquired

infections resulting in 88,000 deaths per year.

·

Unnecessary procedures

resulting in 37,136 deaths per year at an estimated cost of $122 billion.

·

32,000 deaths per year

secondary to unnecessary surgical procedures at a cost of $9 billion.

Seems we really need to

be consistent as a profession in defining ourselves to the lay public and do so

as the natural, drug-free, healers we are.

Another interesting side

bar in this article was that the rational for this new school was in hopes of

filling the primary care physician shortage in the Mid Valley area of

Oregon. The logical question is why do we need this school when we have

Oregon Health Sciences Univ in Portland which is supposedly producing primary

care doctors. The reality is only about 19% of first year medical school

students are interested in primary care and that % is probably even gone down

more since that study was done. Most med students opt for the more

lucrative sub-specializes and starting a new osteopathic college in mid valley

Oregon is unlikely to change this reality.

So what is it we need to

do as a profession?

Vern Saboe, DC

Oregon

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“Cause Effect,” a show about real people making a real difference. Learn

more

[Guest guest]

Here is the opportunity to approach the

school with minimum standards of training in order to perform manipulation.

Funny thing is that DO’s are really a non-entity in Oregon. I see many more client records from

a DC than a DO. Don’t think that the medical profession embraces them

fully either…because they don’t.

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Vern Saboe

Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008

6:51 AM

Oregondcs

Cc: aca chiro list

Subject:

" Osteopathic College in Lebanon,

Oregon? "

Dear Colleagues,

In last night's " Albany

Democrat-Herald newspaper it was announced that Samaritan Health Services and

Western University of Health Sciences in Pomona,

Calif are planning on developing a new college

of osteopathic medicine in all places Lebanon,

Oregon!

They refer to it as the first new medical school in

over 100 years for Oregon.

In the article the authors found it necessary to define what the hell

" Osteopathy " is....which went like this....tell me if this doesn't

sound a little familiar "

Osteopathy

" It's a field of medicine that focuses on the

musculoskeletal system as well as other factors of the human body in healing

itself. Osteopaths look at each patient's lifestyle and personal health

factors - such as smoking, high blood pressure, cholesterol levels etc, - to

help him develop a wellness lifestyle and preventive health care.

Osteopaths earn a medical degree known as a D.O. and are licensed to prescribe

medication and perform surgeries like their M.D. counter-parts. Where

D.O.s and M.D.s differ is that osteopaths also incorporate manipulation

of the skeletal system as part of a patient's overall treatment. "

Sound a little like what we have been doing for

sometime...Wellness eh? A branch of medicine eh? Would that be the

same " health & wellness " profession that is responsible for:

Errors that makes them the 4th leading cause of

death in this country roughly 98,000 deaths per year.

106,000 deaths each year due to " adverse

drug events " a number which everyone on the face of planet is to low

due to no reporting of such events....and at an estimated cost of $12

billion per year.

Hospital acquired infections resulting in 88,000

deaths per year.

Unnecessary procedures resulting in 37,136

deaths per year at an estimated cost of $122 billion.

32,000 deaths per year secondary

to unnecessary surgical procedures at a cost of $9 billion.

Seems we really need to be consistent as a profession in

defining ourselves to the lay public and do so as the natural,

drug-free, healers we are.

Another interesting side bar in this article was that the

rational for this new school was in hopes of filling the primary care physician

shortage in the Mid Valley area of Oregon.

The logical question is why do we need this school when we have Oregon Health

Sciences Univ in Portland

which is supposedly producing primary care doctors. The reality is only

about 19% of first year medical school students are interested in primary care

and that % is probably even gone down more since that study was done.

Most med students opt for the more lucrative sub-specializes and starting a new

osteopathic college in mid valley Oregon

is unlikely to change this reality.

So what is it we need to do as a profession?

Vern Saboe, DC

Oregon

[Guest guest]

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( I donate to them):

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From: Sunny Kierstyn <skrndc1@...>

Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:09:17 -0800

Vern Saboe <vsaboe@...>, < >

Cc: aca chiro list <aca-members@...>

Subject: RE: " Osteopathic College in Lebanon, Oregon? "

Vern,

All of this comes under the 'need for marketing' of chiropractic.

In today's Dr. Donohue's column is yet another example of the stall between MDs and DCs. Someone is asking about urinary incontinence...you guessed it: his reply says NOTHING about structural dysfunction and it's effect on the perineal nerves, not to mention the effectiveness of correcting the positioning of the sacrum in combatting this annoying condition. I just want to schreech when I read his column. People are not being taught that the care we provide will eliminate the majority of their everyday concerns.

Four or five years ago as the CAO considered the establishment of a similar column in Oregon's papers, the cost was calculated to be about $15,000/year. If we had the membership (are all of you listening out there?) we could do a project such as that where, on a DAILY basis, people could read about the little miracles we accomplish each day and the lives we restore each day.

As Dr. Wilks has so pointedly stated since the end of that trial, We need to let the public know about

ourselves. Not in a semi-splashy one-time splurge, but in a consistent, everyday manner, talking about the problems people have to put up with in their every day lives and how we improve those problems. If that could be pumped into the collective consciousness each day, people would/could begin to consider and appreciate these 'alternatives'.

Getting articles into the daily communication stream would be more for combatting this type of invasion better than anything else. this article about the potential extablishment of a new mecdical school on our on back porch seems to call for an article comparing the osteopaths with the chiropractors .... including our mission, our academics, our breadth of approach, our safety, all that stuff that creates us a logical entry into the health care systems....not to mention telling the people about the oh so very successful hospital study.

This calls for membership into your state organizations so we can be in a position to make these types of moves.

It takes all of us to keep all of us in practice!

my 2 cents this am....

Sunny ;'-))

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC

Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon

2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

Oregondcs

CC: aca-members@...

From: vsaboe@...

Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:51:05 -0800

Subject: " Osteopathic College in Lebanon, Oregon? "

Dear Colleagues,

In last night's " Albany Democrat-Herald newspaper it was announced that Samaritan Health Services and Western University of Health Sciences in Pomona, Calif are planning on developing a new college of osteopathic medicine in all places Lebanon, Oregon!

They refer to it as the first new medical school in over 100 years for Oregon. In the article the authors found it necessary to define what the hell " Osteopathy " is....which went like this....tell me if this doesn't sound a little familiar "

Osteopathy

" It's a field of medicine that focuses on the musculoskeletal system as well as other factors of the human body in healing itself. Osteopaths look at each patient's lifestyle and personal health factors - such as smoking, high blood pressure, cholesterol levels etc, - to help him develop a wellness lifestyle and preventive health care. Osteopaths earn a medical degree known as a D.O. and are licensed to prescribe medication and perform surgeries like their M.D. counter-parts. Where D.O.s and M.D.s differ is that osteopaths also incorporate manipulation of the skeletal system as part of a patient's overall treatment. "

Sound a little like what we have been doing for sometime...Wellness eh? A branch of medicine eh? Would that be the same " health & wellness " profession that is responsible for:

Errors that makes them the 4th leading cause of death in this country roughly 98,000 deaths per year. 106,000 deaths each year due to " adverse drug events " a number which everyone on the face of planet is to low due to no reporting of such events....and at an estimated cost of $12 billion per year. Hospital acquired infections resulting in 88,000 deaths per year. Unnecessary procedures resulting in 37,136 deaths per year at an estimated cost of $122 billion. 32,000 deaths per year secondary to unnecessary surgical procedures at a cost of $9 billion.

Seems we really need to be consistent as a profession in defining ourselves to the lay public and do so as the natural, drug-free, healers we are.

Another interesting side bar in this article was that the rational for this new school was in hopes of filling the primary care physician shortage in the Mid Valley area of Oregon. The logical question is why do we need this school when we have Oregon Health Sciences Univ in Portland which is supposedly producing primary care doctors. The reality is only about 19% of first year medical school students are interested in primary care and that % is probably even gone down more since that study was done. Most med students opt for the more lucrative sub-specializes and starting a new osteopathic college in mid valley Oregon is unlikely to change this reality.

So what is it we need to do as a profession?

Vern Saboe, DC

Oregon

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