Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 Dear Bill, The low salt diet also cause a low chlorine problem (sodium chloride). This results in insufficient hydrochloric acid (gastric juice) being produced, resulting in improper digestion, malabsorption, and a whole host of resulting problems. Best of Health! Saul Pressman URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... OT: Low-Salt diet fad can kill > From: Bill Kingsbury <kingsbry@...> > > http://cat007.com/salt.htm > > Salt - surprising data. > > by Jon , M.D. > > + In the movie " Sleeper " by Woody , the futuristic > characters chuckle and say " Remember when it was thought that > cigarettes and fat were bad for you? " It certainly seems > that ideas of health go back and forth like other trends. > For instance, there is a growing body of evidence that a high > carbohydrate diet, recommended by everyone from the American > Heart Association to the strictest macrobiotic, may not be as > healthy as we once thought. Now, some important studies have > been done which emphasize the importance of that > much-maligned substance, salt. > > + It is common practice to recommend a low salt diet (or more > specifically, a low sodium diet, since we are talking here > about sodium chloride, or table salt) in the general > population, and particularly in hypertension. It is known > that populations with lower salt intake have lower blood > pressures generally. However, there is no good evidence that > lowering a salt intake will lower blood pressure > significantly, and certainly little evidence that it will > modify the ill effects of high blood pressure, like heart > attacks and strokes. > > Now comes a study from the medical journal Hypertension which > shows that hypertensive people who lowered their salt intake > most suffered the most heart attacks, almost four times the > amount experienced by the group with the highest salt intake! > > + This result did not come totally unsurprising. It is known > that about half of hypertensives and a quarter of the > population as a whole are " salt-sensitive " , that is, their > system overreacts to salt by raising blood pressure. The > rest of us don't seem to react much to salt. However, in > this " sensitive " population, increasing potassium, magnesium > and calcium intake seems to control the sensitivity. So, > taking adequate doses of these minerals (about 3500 mg > potassium, 800-1000 mg for calcium, 1200-1500 mg calcium for > post-menopausal women, and 500-800 mg magnesium) seem like a > better idea, along with a moderate level of salt intake. > > + The kidney has a delicate mechanism (called the > renin-angiotensin system) for maintaining pressure in the > blood vessels. Artificially lowering one element of the > system (sodium) causes an elevated renin level, and thus the > kidney works harder to retain the salt that it has. In other > words, the hypertension is a sign that a hormonal system is > out of balance, and thinking we can starve it into submission > may be naive. > > Sodium is necessary enough that a major adrenal steroid > hormone, aldosterone, is devoted to its regulation and > retention. Many studies show the necessity of dietary salt, > from population studies showing a tendancy toward shorter > life span in people eating low-salt diets, to animal studies > showing growth failure with sodium restriction. Multiple > studies earlier this century showed fatigue and mental > dulling to result from salt depletion diets. > > > Home page: > http://cat007.com/catalt.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2000 Report Share Posted February 29, 2000 Sodium occuring in vegetable matter, rather than sodium chloride is my preference. When I use sodium chloride, I use REAL SALT brand that contains no additives, is not heat treated, and contains other naturally occuring minerals. It is pink, due to the naturally occuring Redmond Clay. jd Low-Salt diet can kill From: " Saul Pressman " <saul@...> Dear Bill, The low salt diet also cause a low chlorine problem (sodium chloride). This results in insufficient hydrochloric acid (gastric juice) being produced, resulting in improper digestion, malabsorption, and a whole host of resulting problems. Best of Health! Saul Pressman URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... OT: Low-Salt diet fad can kill > From: Bill Kingsbury <kingsbry@...> > > http://cat007.com/salt.htm > > Salt - surprising data. > > by Jon , M.D. > > + In the movie " Sleeper " by Woody , the futuristic > characters chuckle and say " Remember when it was thought that > cigarettes and fat were bad for you? " It certainly seems > that ideas of health go back and forth like other trends. > For instance, there is a growing body of evidence that a high > carbohydrate diet, recommended by everyone from the American > Heart Association to the strictest macrobiotic, may not be as > healthy as we once thought. Now, some important studies have > been done which emphasize the importance of that > much-maligned substance, salt. > > + It is common practice to recommend a low salt diet (or more > specifically, a low sodium diet, since we are talking here > about sodium chloride, or table salt) in the general > population, and particularly in hypertension. It is known > that populations with lower salt intake have lower blood > pressures generally. However, there is no good evidence that > lowering a salt intake will lower blood pressure > significantly, and certainly little evidence that it will > modify the ill effects of high blood pressure, like heart > attacks and strokes. > > Now comes a study from the medical journal Hypertension which > shows that hypertensive people who lowered their salt intake > most suffered the most heart attacks, almost four times the > amount experienced by the group with the highest salt intake! > > + This result did not come totally unsurprising. It is known > that about half of hypertensives and a quarter of the > population as a whole are " salt-sensitive " , that is, their > system overreacts to salt by raising blood pressure. The > rest of us don't seem to react much to salt. However, in > this " sensitive " population, increasing potassium, magnesium > and calcium intake seems to control the sensitivity. So, > taking adequate doses of these minerals (about 3500 mg > potassium, 800-1000 mg for calcium, 1200-1500 mg calcium for > post-menopausal women, and 500-800 mg magnesium) seem like a > better idea, along with a moderate level of salt intake. > > + The kidney has a delicate mechanism (called the > renin-angiotensin system) for maintaining pressure in the > blood vessels. Artificially lowering one element of the > system (sodium) causes an elevated renin level, and thus the > kidney works harder to retain the salt that it has. In other > words, the hypertension is a sign that a hormonal system is > out of balance, and thinking we can starve it into submission > may be naive. > > Sodium is necessary enough that a major adrenal steroid > hormone, aldosterone, is devoted to its regulation and > retention. Many studies show the necessity of dietary salt, > from population studies showing a tendancy toward shorter > life span in people eating low-salt diets, to animal studies > showing growth failure with sodium restriction. Multiple > studies earlier this century showed fatigue and mental > dulling to result from salt depletion diets. > > > Home page: > http://cat007.com/catalt.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enter: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. 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Guest guest Posted February 29, 2000 Report Share Posted February 29, 2000 Here's my bit on this subject. I am not an expert on this and my view is based on common sense. Man is basically a primate. Primates are predominantly raw food fruitarians. Most of our diets are a long way from this (mine is hardly perfect!). Primates do not suffer low sodium or chlorine problems. I do not believe that the correct diet (raw fruit, seed and nut based) would cause anyone to suffer sodium deficiency. The amount of sodium in these foods would be the right amount for us and would be correctly balanced with the other minerals. That's not to say we need avoid sodium, just that we would get just the right amount if we were eating the diet that nature and our genes intended us to eat. Mark OT: Low-Salt diet fad can kill > > > > From: Bill Kingsbury <kingsbry@...> > > > > http://cat007.com/salt.htm > > > > Salt - surprising data. > > > > by Jon , M.D. > > > > + In the movie " Sleeper " by Woody , the futuristic > > characters chuckle and say " Remember when it was thought that > > cigarettes and fat were bad for you? " It certainly seems > > that ideas of health go back and forth like other trends. > > For instance, there is a growing body of evidence that a high > > carbohydrate diet, recommended by everyone from the American > > Heart Association to the strictest macrobiotic, may not be as > > healthy as we once thought. Now, some important studies have > > been done which emphasize the importance of that > > much-maligned substance, salt. > > > > + It is common practice to recommend a low salt diet (or more > > specifically, a low sodium diet, since we are talking here > > about sodium chloride, or table salt) in the general > > population, and particularly in hypertension. It is known > > that populations with lower salt intake have lower blood > > pressures generally. However, there is no good evidence that > > lowering a salt intake will lower blood pressure > > significantly, and certainly little evidence that it will > > modify the ill effects of high blood pressure, like heart > > attacks and strokes. > > > > Now comes a study from the medical journal Hypertension which > > shows that hypertensive people who lowered their salt intake > > most suffered the most heart attacks, almost four times the > > amount experienced by the group with the highest salt intake! > > > > + This result did not come totally unsurprising. It is known > > that about half of hypertensives and a quarter of the > > population as a whole are " salt-sensitive " , that is, their > > system overreacts to salt by raising blood pressure. The > > rest of us don't seem to react much to salt. However, in > > this " sensitive " population, increasing potassium, magnesium > > and calcium intake seems to control the sensitivity. So, > > taking adequate doses of these minerals (about 3500 mg > > potassium, 800-1000 mg for calcium, 1200-1500 mg calcium for > > post-menopausal women, and 500-800 mg magnesium) seem like a > > better idea, along with a moderate level of salt intake. > > > > + The kidney has a delicate mechanism (called the > > renin-angiotensin system) for maintaining pressure in the > > blood vessels. Artificially lowering one element of the > > system (sodium) causes an elevated renin level, and thus the > > kidney works harder to retain the salt that it has. In other > > words, the hypertension is a sign that a hormonal system is > > out of balance, and thinking we can starve it into submission > > may be naive. > > > > Sodium is necessary enough that a major adrenal steroid > > hormone, aldosterone, is devoted to its regulation and > > retention. Many studies show the necessity of dietary salt, > > from population studies showing a tendancy toward shorter > > life span in people eating low-salt diets, to animal studies > > showing growth failure with sodium restriction. Multiple > > studies earlier this century showed fatigue and mental > > dulling to result from salt depletion diets. > > > > > > Home page: > > http://cat007.com/catalt.htm > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > @Backup-The Easiest Way to Protect and Access your files. > Automatic backups and off-site storage of your critical data. Install > your FREE trial today and have a chance to WIN a digital camera! > Click here. > 1/1830/2/_/507288/_/951778833/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. 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Guest guest Posted February 29, 2000 Report Share Posted February 29, 2000 mark, i'm sorry to tell you but, you are dead wrong about that diet! i have a good idea where you were misinformed about it and would have to type a lot to get you on the right track. the person who is misleading you i belive means well but i know they are also in it for profit.belive it or not your body is designed to consome large amounts of protien & fat. it is not made to proccess carbs. most animals are & and we are designed to eat them. this should be interesting!! Past, Present, & Future; Was, Is, & Will Be Yours To Decide http://community.webtv.net/cpj1on1/YESTERDAYTODAY [This message contained attachments] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2000 Report Share Posted March 3, 2000 evidence please! Thanks Mark Re: Low-Salt diet can kill > From: cpj1on1@... > > mark, > i'm sorry to tell you but, you are dead wrong about that diet! i have a > good idea where you were misinformed about it and would have to type a > lot to get you on the right track. the person who is misleading you i > belive means well but i know they are also in it for profit.belive it or > not your body is designed to consome large amounts of protien & fat. it > is not made to proccess carbs. most animals are & and we are designed to > eat them. this should be interesting!! > > Past, Present, & Future; Was, Is, & Will Be > Yours To Decide > http://community.webtv.net/cpj1on1/YESTERDAYTODAY > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Why wait for a credit decision? Get one instantly! Apply for > the Capital One 9.9% Fixed APR Visa Platinum! > 1/1896/2/_/507288/_/951884526/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can subscribe/unsubscribe via e-mail by sending AN e-mail to the following address > DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE > oxyplus-subscribeonelist - subscribe to a list. > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist - unsubscribe from a list. > oxyplus-digestonelist - switch your subscription to digest mode. > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2000 Report Share Posted March 3, 2000 i can give you evidence but, you made the statement about restricting protein & fat, & eating more carbs (such as nuts, fruits , & veggies)! i want you to show me proof that that is correct in a way that is not somebodies opinion. a lot of people say that's the way to eat but, they have no scientific proof to back it up! thee is lots of proof otherwise. i would like to hear or see something to back up what you said first. waiting patiently........charlie [This message contained attachments] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2000 Report Share Posted March 4, 2000 > > i can give you evidence but, you made the statement about restricting > protein & fat, & eating more carbs (such as nuts, fruits , & veggies)! Wrong! I made a statment re the fact that primates are essentially raw food fruitarians and we ARE primates. Primates rarely get degenerative diseases. We do. That on its own is evidence. The point is that it is raw. The percentgaes of protein, fat and carbs does not interest me. A for the specific question of evidence. I am involved with the local Raw Food group here in Norht London. I am not a raw foodist myself, but I go to their meeetings. The raw (added salt free) foodists (and I know quite a few of them) are simply the healthiest people I have ever met. Anyway lets get back to Oxygen now please! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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