Re: RE: nasal spray addicition

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I've been there and one things that helped was diluting the nasal spray

with distilled water and doing a little yoga breathing. A particularly good

one is to lie on your bed with only your head hanging over the edge (you are

on your back). Breathe deep (with diaphram) and through your nose, filling

the sinus cavity and deep into your gut. Take fives breathes to the count

of 8 in, 6 hold and 8 out. You'll be amazed. I do understand that first

you may need a little diluted nasal spray to start the process but I found as

I diluted it, I also use it less.

Let me know how you do. I competely understand that cold turkey doesn't

work! However, don't give up as I have addicted myself a few times following

a cold. Also you might try a very dilute solution of H202 in a nasal spray

bottle. Say one drop of 3 % in one ounce of water. It will hydrate your

membranes and add oxygen. I have put this solution and sprayed it in the air

while in the tub and did deep breathing exercises. I still have moments when

it's the only thing that gives me relief but it is infrequent.

Lash

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I went 11 years without breathing through my nose, so I know what

you're going through better than you do if you haven't got there

yet. But, you can overcome it if you have to. And, it sounds like

you have to.

If you don't stop, then you will only get worse, to a place where

nothing short of cocaine will work. Then where are you? If you

have to go through a transitional period without breathing

through your nose, so be it! If you want to get healthy, you have

to start somewhere! You can't BS forever.

And, since you are at the crossroads, why not now. Lots of FIR

(far infra-red) from the Sun or a lamp. Sweats. Steam baths.

Fresh squeezed vegetable & fruit juices, lots of water, fresh air

& exercise. Don't forget the green leafy vegetables, etc.

Sound familiar? If so, it's because we've heard how to be healthy

all of our lives, but never paid attention.

Sad, but true. We have to get real to get better.

jim

Angelkat wrote:

>

> I asked this earlier and can't find the reply... does anyone know what to do

> when one becomes addicted to nasal spray? I have gotten myself into a

> horrible mess. I can't breathe without it, but now, when I use it, it numbs

> my mouth and part of my nose. I am trying to stop cold turkey, but the

> inability to breathe becomes unbearable. I feel so ill - please help !!!

> Thanks a lot,

> KAT

--

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[Guest guest]

When I was very young I became addicted to Afrin nasal spray. The

solution was to go to a doctor who wrote a prescription for some pills

(steroids?) that I took for a week or so and that was it, addiction

ended. Many times traditional allopathic medicine works well in acute

care cases.

Dennis

Jim Lambert wrote:

>

> Kat,

>

> I went 11 years without breathing through my nose, so I know what

> you're going through better than you do if you haven't got there

> yet. But, you can overcome it if you have to. And, it sounds like

> you have to.

>

> If you don't stop, then you will only get worse, to a place where

> nothing short of cocaine will work. Then where are you? If you

> have to go through a transitional period without breathing

> through your nose, so be it! If you want to get healthy, you have

> to start somewhere! You can't BS forever.

>

> And, since you are at the crossroads, why not now. Lots of FIR

> (far infra-red) from the Sun or a lamp. Sweats. Steam baths.

> Fresh squeezed vegetable & fruit juices, lots of water, fresh air

> & exercise. Don't forget the green leafy vegetables, etc.

>

> Sound familiar? If so, it's because we've heard how to be healthy

> all of our lives, but never paid attention.

>

> Sad, but true. We have to get real to get better.

>

> jim

>

> Angelkat wrote:

> >

> > I asked this earlier and can't find the reply... does anyone know what to do

> > when one becomes addicted to nasal spray? I have gotten myself into a

> > horrible mess. I can't breathe without it, but now, when I use it, it numbs

> > my mouth and part of my nose. I am trying to stop cold turkey, but the

> > inability to breathe becomes unbearable. I feel so ill - please help !!!

> > Thanks a lot,

> > KAT

> --

> Rehab is for quitters! -- anony

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Hi I had this problem also, i was using vicks sinex, but a doctor told a

friend the hayfever spray Beconase spray is less harmful, try that first

then start reducing. He also streached an elastoplast over his nose to

keep the passage open at night.

RE: nasal spray addicition

>

>

>>I asked this earlier and can't find the reply... does anyone know what to

>do

>>when one becomes addicted to nasal spray? I have gotten myself into a

>>horrible mess. I can't breathe without it, but now, when I use it, it

>numbs

>>my mouth and part of my nose. I am trying to stop cold turkey, but the

>>inability to breathe becomes unbearable. I feel so ill - please help !!!

>>Thanks a lot,

>>KAT

>>

>>Angelkat

>> " What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you are saying..... "

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[Guest guest]

I wonder if it would help to dissolve some MSM

crystals and use that in a sprayer for your sinuses.

I've seen it recommended.

JP

> I asked this earlier and can't find the reply... does anyone know what to

do

> when one becomes addicted to nasal spray? I have gotten myself into a

> horrible mess. I can't breathe without it, but now, when I use it, it

numbs

> my mouth and part of my nose. I am trying to stop cold turkey, but the

> inability to breathe becomes unbearable. I feel so ill - please help !!!

> Thanks a lot,

> KAT

>

> Angelkat

> " What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you are saying..... "

> Ralph Waldo Emerson

>

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P.M. and List-

You said something that intrigued me. You said that most sinus

infections are fungal (?) not bacterial, correct?

On this list, we have discussed that cancer lives on fermentation of

sugar (?) and acidic conditions at the cellular level.

We've talked about parasites, and Hulda , and the idea that they

too like acidic (and sugary, and sometimes heavy metal) conditions.

We've talked about alkaline and acid PH in the blood.

My question is this: Do fungi, parasites (cryptosporidum included) and

cancer like alkaline conditions?

Remember the post on HCL? I can't seem to get away from it. Remember,

the author (?) said the HCL will correct blood PH. and break the white

cells out of their slowly induced stupor? (Frog in the pot syndrome?

Put frog in the pot, warm the water gradually. Frog won't fight to get

out of the pot, and will eventually cook to death).

How many of us are slowly cooking in our bacteria, fungal, hypoxia and

food induced pots, so gradually we don't even notice?

Is there more than meets the eye to correcting the blood and cellular

PH? Could it tie in together with, or maybe underlie all of the above?

Blessings,

Zell

[Guest guest]

Hyperbaric oxygen therapy for rhinocerebral fungal infection.

Kajs Wyllie M

St. 's Hospital, Austin, Texas 78765-4039, USA.

J Neurosci Nurs, 1995 Jun, 27:3, 174-81

Rhinocerebral mucormycosis is an acutely fatal fungal infection that

usually arises in the ethmoid sinuses, spreads into the orbits

and then into the cranial cavity. It is typically seen in diabetic or

immunocompromised patients. Therapy includes aggressive

surgical debridement, administration of high-dose amphotericin-B and

control of underlying predisposing conditions. Adjunctive

hyperbaric oxygen (HBO) is another treatment modality that appears to be

promising; oxygen in sufficient concentrations is

fungicidal and decreases acidosis thereby increasing tissue survival. It is

important for the neuroscience nurse to have an

understanding of this deadly infection and the role in preparing the

patient for HBO therapy to better plan care.

> [Original Message]

> From: <c_zell@...>

> <oxyplusegroups>

> Date: 06/20/2000 9:42:24 AM

> Subject: Re: RE: nasal spray addicition

>

> P.M. and List-

>

> You said something that intrigued me. You said that most sinus

> infections are fungal (?) not bacterial, correct?

>

> On this list, we have discussed that cancer lives on fermentation of

> sugar (?) and acidic conditions at the cellular level.

>

> We've talked about parasites, and Hulda , and the idea that they

> too like acidic (and sugary, and sometimes heavy metal) conditions.

>

> We've talked about alkaline and acid PH in the blood.

>

> My question is this: Do fungi, parasites (cryptosporidum included) and

> cancer like alkaline conditions?

>

> Remember the post on HCL? I can't seem to get away from it. Remember,

> the author (?) said the HCL will correct blood PH. and break the white

> cells out of their slowly induced stupor? (Frog in the pot syndrome?

> Put frog in the pot, warm the water gradually. Frog won't fight to get

> out of the pot, and will eventually cook to death).

>

> How many of us are slowly cooking in our bacteria, fungal, hypoxia and

> food induced pots, so gradually we don't even notice?

>

> Is there more than meets the eye to correcting the blood and cellular

> PH? Could it tie in together with, or maybe underlie all of the above?

>

> Blessings,

>

> Zell

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You are having (what is called) " rebound effect " . Depending on how long and

which brand you've been on , will dictate how long for the membranes to

shrink back to normal. The device below can expedite the recovery time.

I highly suggest you check out the book Sinus Survival, by Dr. Ivker.

For immediate gratification check out http://www.ent-consult.com/ and

http://www.ent-consult.com/nasal_irr.html This device saved my quality of

life in 1992. I had several polyps in a couple sinus cavities. I had sinus

head aches that made migraines look tame. I mean, lay down, don't move, and

turn off the lights. A highly respected ENT in my area told me I would have

to live with it after treating me for 8 months, with no (very little)

success. In 30 day's I would prove him wrong.

If you own a *water pik* you only need to make a 20.00$US investment to

correct your sinus problems. If you suffer sinus problems (and don't want

to?). You can't afford NOT to make the twenty dollar investment!

You can switch to nasal saline when you can't be near the irrigator. Just be

careful of the brand you choose

http://www.ent-consult.com/salineadditives.html

New Items I haven't tried yet, ( haven't had too)....

http://www.ent-consult.com/enzymes.html

http://www.sinus-relief.com/breatheease.html

Question's...... What nasal spray are you using? Why did you start using it?

P.M.

RE: nasal spray addicition

>I asked this earlier and can't find the reply... does anyone know what to

do

>when one becomes addicted to nasal spray? I have gotten myself into a

>horrible mess. I can't breathe without it, but now, when I use it, it

numbs

>my mouth and part of my nose. I am trying to stop cold turkey, but the

>inability to breathe becomes unbearable. I feel so ill - please help !!!

>Thanks a lot,

>KAT

>

>Angelkat

> " What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you are saying..... "

>Ralph Waldo Emerson

>

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[Guest guest]

Nystantin in hot water in a neti has been

a great help to me. If someone has access

to nystantin powder, a prescription product,

and has chronic sinusitis, they really should

try a pinch in hot water delivered through a neti

pot twice a day.

> What is the importance of a fungus in sinusitis?

> http://www.sinuses.com/faq.htm#410

>

> An article published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings in September, 1999 by

> Gene Kern's group at the Mayo Clinic suggests that fungal sinusitis may be

> much more common than previously thought. Fungal growth was found in 96%

of

> patients with chronic sinusitis. The difference between those with chronic

> sinusitis and the normal population was that their eosinophiles ( a type

of

> white blood cell involved in allergic and other reactions) had become

> activated. They had released a product called Major Basic Protein which

> attacks the fungus but is very irritating to the lining of the sinuses. It

> is then speculated that this injury allows the bacteria to proliferate.

The

> concern is whether our treatment of sinusitis should be directed at

> treatment of the fungus rather than the bacteria. This topic is extremely

> controversial and will be investigated more in the near future. There was

> not discussion about treatment in the article, but it was suggested that

> there may be treatment developed in the near future.

>

>

>

> Re: RE: nasal spray addicition

>

>

> >P.M. and List-

> >

> >You said something that intrigued me. You said that most sinus

> >infections are fungal (?) not bacterial, correct?

> >

> >On this list, we have discussed that cancer lives on fermentation of

> >sugar (?) and acidic conditions at the cellular level.

> >

> >We've talked about parasites, and Hulda , and the idea that they

> >too like acidic (and sugary, and sometimes heavy metal) conditions.

> >

> >We've talked about alkaline and acid PH in the blood.

> >

> >My question is this: Do fungi, parasites (cryptosporidum included) and

> >cancer like alkaline conditions?

> >

> >Remember the post on HCL? I can't seem to get away from it. Remember,

> >the author (?) said the HCL will correct blood PH. and break the white

> >cells out of their slowly induced stupor? (Frog in the pot syndrome?

> >Put frog in the pot, warm the water gradually. Frog won't fight to get

> >out of the pot, and will eventually cook to death).

> >

> >How many of us are slowly cooking in our bacteria, fungal, hypoxia and

> >food induced pots, so gradually we don't even notice?

> >

> >Is there more than meets the eye to correcting the blood and cellular

> >PH? Could it tie in together with, or maybe underlie all of the above?

> >

> >Blessings,

> >

> >Zell

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Very Interesting Food For Thought Chris!!!

I like it........ Charlie

Past, Present, & Future; Was, Is, & Will Be

Yours To Decide

http://community.webtv.net/cpj1on1/YESTERDAYTODAY

[Guest guest]

-

I remember when you posted that post, but it really didn't click until

today. Thanks.

Blessings,

Zell

[Guest guest]

Beconase is a glucocorticoid, a steroid. (I did my share of Vancenase in my

troubled time, moderate short term help) Granted there is less rebound

effect, but how do you like what else your putting in your sinuses..... some

products contain; flurocarbon propellant, alcohol, propylene or

polyethylene. Ummmmm, and taste and smell of these nasal steroids are......

uhhhh......Delicious! Yeah that's it delicious! (NOT)

Shall I contniue about steroid use? Naaaah!

One of the great things about pulsitile nasal irrigation is your can put all

kinds of solutions up your nose! Since this is an oxy list, I'm referring to

35% food grade H2O2 extremely diluted! (i've done this, and over done it

also!!) Latest research points to chronic sinusitis being caused from a

fungal agent, Not bacterial. So the whole time your on antibiotics for

chronic sinusitis the fungal infection is getting worse.This is no joke,

because your brain, eyes and ears are only a hop skip and a jump from your

sinuses!

P.M.

---Original Message-----

From: Mark <markz@...>

oxyplusegroups <oxyplusegroups>

Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 6:06 AM

Subject: Re: RE: nasal spray addicition

>Hi I had this problem also, i was using vicks sinex, but a doctor told a

>friend the hayfever spray Beconase spray is less harmful, try that first

>then start reducing. He also streached an elastoplast over his nose to

>keep the passage open at night.

> RE: nasal spray addicition

>>

>>

>>>I asked this earlier and can't find the reply... does anyone know what to

>>do

>>>when one becomes addicted to nasal spray? I have gotten myself into a

>>>horrible mess. I can't breathe without it, but now, when I use it, it

>>numbs

>>>my mouth and part of my nose. I am trying to stop cold turkey, but the

>>>inability to breathe becomes unbearable. I feel so ill - please help !!!

>>>Thanks a lot,

>>>KAT

>>>

>>>Angelkat

>>> " What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you are

saying..... "

>>>Ralph Waldo Emerson

>>>

>>>

>>>

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[Guest guest]

Let me just clarify a little Chris. The key word is " chronic " . Most sinus

suffers wax and wain with problems. Then there are those who continually

have trouble....that's the chronic bunch.

What is the importance of a fungus in sinusitis?

http://www.sinuses.com/faq.htm#410

An article published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings in September, 1999 by

Gene Kern's group at the Mayo Clinic suggests that fungal sinusitis may be

much more common than previously thought. Fungal growth was found in 96% of

patients with chronic sinusitis. The difference between those with chronic

sinusitis and the normal population was that their eosinophiles ( a type of

white blood cell involved in allergic and other reactions) had become

activated. They had released a product called Major Basic Protein which

attacks the fungus but is very irritating to the lining of the sinuses. It

is then speculated that this injury allows the bacteria to proliferate. The

concern is whether our treatment of sinusitis should be directed at

treatment of the fungus rather than the bacteria. This topic is extremely

controversial and will be investigated more in the near future. There was

not discussion about treatment in the article, but it was suggested that

there may be treatment developed in the near future.

Re: RE: nasal spray addicition

>P.M. and List-

>

>You said something that intrigued me. You said that most sinus

>infections are fungal (?) not bacterial, correct?

>

>On this list, we have discussed that cancer lives on fermentation of

>sugar (?) and acidic conditions at the cellular level.

>

>We've talked about parasites, and Hulda , and the idea that they

>too like acidic (and sugary, and sometimes heavy metal) conditions.

>

>We've talked about alkaline and acid PH in the blood.

>

>My question is this: Do fungi, parasites (cryptosporidum included) and

>cancer like alkaline conditions?

>

>Remember the post on HCL? I can't seem to get away from it. Remember,

>the author (?) said the HCL will correct blood PH. and break the white

>cells out of their slowly induced stupor? (Frog in the pot syndrome?

>Put frog in the pot, warm the water gradually. Frog won't fight to get

>out of the pot, and will eventually cook to death).

>

>How many of us are slowly cooking in our bacteria, fungal, hypoxia and

>food induced pots, so gradually we don't even notice?

>

>Is there more than meets the eye to correcting the blood and cellular

>PH? Could it tie in together with, or maybe underlie all of the above?

>

>Blessings,

>

>Zell

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[Guest guest]

Great stuff ! Although sometimes hard to find and expensive. I'll post a

home version HBO chamber later.

P.M.

Re: RE: nasal spray addicition

>>

>> P.M. and List-

>>

>> You said something that intrigued me. You said that most sinus

>> infections are fungal (?) not bacterial, correct?

>>

>> On this list, we have discussed that cancer lives on fermentation of

>> sugar (?) and acidic conditions at the cellular level.

>>

>> We've talked about parasites, and Hulda , and the idea that they

>> too like acidic (and sugary, and sometimes heavy metal) conditions.

>>

>> We've talked about alkaline and acid PH in the blood.

>>

>> My question is this: Do fungi, parasites (cryptosporidum included) and

>> cancer like alkaline conditions?

>>

>> Remember the post on HCL? I can't seem to get away from it. Remember,

>> the author (?) said the HCL will correct blood PH. and break the white

>> cells out of their slowly induced stupor? (Frog in the pot syndrome?

>> Put frog in the pot, warm the water gradually. Frog won't fight to get

>> out of the pot, and will eventually cook to death).

>>

>> How many of us are slowly cooking in our bacteria, fungal, hypoxia and

>> food induced pots, so gradually we don't even notice?

>>

>> Is there more than meets the eye to correcting the blood and cellular

>> PH? Could it tie in together with, or maybe underlie all of the above?

>

>>

>> Blessings,

>>

>> Zell

>>

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c_zell@... wrote:

>

> P.M. and List-

>

> You said something that intrigued me. You said that most sinus

> infections are fungal (?) not bacterial, correct?

>

> On this list, we have discussed that cancer lives on fermentation of

> sugar (?) and acidic conditions at the cellular level.

>

> We've talked about parasites, and Hulda , and the idea that they

> too like acidic (and sugary, and sometimes heavy metal) conditions.

>

> We've talked about alkaline and acid PH in the blood.

>

> My question is this: Do fungi, parasites (cryptosporidum included) and

> cancer like alkaline conditions?

>

> Remember the post on HCL? I can't seem to get away from it. Remember,

> the author (?) said the HCL will correct blood PH. and break the white

> cells out of their slowly induced stupor? (Frog in the pot syndrome?

> Put frog in the pot, warm the water gradually. Frog won't fight to get

> out of the pot, and will eventually cook to death).

>

> How many of us are slowly cooking in our bacteria, fungal, hypoxia and

> food induced pots, so gradually we don't even notice?

>

> Is there more than meets the eye to correcting the blood and cellular

> PH? Could it tie in together with, or maybe underlie all of the above?

>

> Blessings,

>

> Zell

Nicely put Chris. There is one piece that I think should be considered

with this. Balance / equalibrium. There are several thousand separate

chemical operations going on simultaneously, some acid some alkaline and

some both, and all are dependant on oxygen.

Del Snow