Re: Re: Honey & Beeswax(PETA)

[Guest guest]

I would propose

> that you write to them as well. It would be

> interesting to hear their

> response.

Thanks for saying what I was thinking. PETA can only

spread misinformation if the people with the accurate

information do nothing.

Also, I was wondering... perhaps it is a few BAD

beekeepers that PETA heard about and they are trying

to spoil it for the whole lot. There may be more to

the story than PETA knows.

MK

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I have to agree with Cathryn, I have always found that PETA provides

accurate information. People may not like what they hear, but that doesn't

make it untrue, only harder to ignore.

If Francine has evidence of their providing misleading information, or

outright lying, I ask that she provide it. If this is OT, she is more than

welcome to email me directly, although I think making such a general

accusation in as large a list as this needs to be either substantiated or

retracted.

Marie

On 05/19/2001 at 8:15 AM Cathryn wrote:

>I have always found PETA to be mostly accurate in their explanations of

>animal treatments.

>Cathryn.

>

>on 5/19/01 4:17 PM, at

> wrote:

>

>francinec wrote:

>

>>

>>> I hope this sets the record straight regarding bees and their hive

>>> products. If a person chooses to use an alternative product, that is

their

>>> choice. My main purpose in writing this was to let everyone know that

PETA is not

>>> to be trusted. The have and do deliberately mislead people using lies

and

>>> misinformation.

>>> Francine

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have " heard " that PETA should change the " E " to an " I " .

Jen

[Guest guest]

THANK-YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE BEE SITUATION!!!!!!

Re: Honey & Beeswax(PETA)

>

> > If Francine has evidence of their providing misleading information,

> or

> > outright lying, I ask that she provide it.

>

> Isn't that what she did a few days ago? Just how much more

> information would satisfy you? The complete text of her message is

> below in case you missed it.

> ---------------

> As a beekeeper who loves and cares for bees, I am highly offended by

> PETA and

> their deliberate misinformation in order to advance their radical

> ideology.

>

> Bee Pollen.

> Microsporic grains in seed plants gathered by bees then collected from

> the legs of bees. Causes allergic reactions in some people. In

> nutritional supplements, shampoos, toothpastes, deodorants.

> Alternatives: synthetics, plant amino acids, pollen collected from

> plants.

>

> PETA is contradicting itself

> Pollen is collected by bees on ALL flowering plants - flowers, fruit

> trees,

> melons, cucumbers, peas, beans, wildflowers, etc. Bees go from

> flower to

> flower collecting pollen and dropping pollen, thus effecting

> pollination.

> Some wind pollination occurs, but the majority is done by bees.....no

> bees,

> no food! Bees in no way steal seeds from plants causing a shortage

> of future

> plant life...if anything, they increase it. Why do you suppose almond

> growers, melon growers, and other farmers in California and other

> states pay

> beekeepers to bring in bees to pollinate their crops? For higher

> yield, of

> course! As for the honey produced by the bees for an almond

> crop....they get

> to keep all of it - it's much too bitter for human consumption. Bees

> use it

> to build up their depleted winter stores and for brood rearing, thus

> producing more bees.

>

> Bee Products.

> Produced by bees for their own use. Bees are selectively bred. Culled

> bees are killed. A cheap sugar is substituted for their stolen honey.

> Millions die as a result. Their legs are often torn off by

> pollen collection trapdoors.

>

> These statements are absolutely ridiculous! Millions die - A

> Boldface LIE!

> Bees are selectively bred for gentleness, disease resistance, and

> honey

> production. There are no culled bees! Bees have a very short life

> span, so

> the population of the entire hive changes every six weeks. A worker

> bee's

> job changes within the hive structure...when first born a worker

> becomes a

> nurse bee taking care of the larvae and baby bees. After a week or

> two, the

> nurse bees become field bees to replace the ones that have died

> of " old

> age " . As for the legs of bees being torn off in the pollen or

> propolis

> collection process, this is false! Bees walk over wire screens which

> are

> designed to simply scrape off some of the larger pollen grains. Not

> all of

> the pollen drops off - there is more than enough for the bees to use

> to feed

> their brood as well as for human use. Think about this....a

> beekeeper is

> never going to do anything to harm his bees....why would a beekeeper

> take all

> of the pollen and not leave any for the bees to feed to their brood.

> This

> would bring about the demise of the hive. As for propolis, bees do

> not eat

> propolis - it is used by the bees to glue things together in the hive

> as well

> as seal cracks, etc. Propolis is tree rosin. As for substituting

> cheap

> sugar for honey....another ludicrous statement! Bees do not care if

> sugar is

> ten cents a pound or two dollars a pound - sugar is sugar. The only

> time

> bees are fed sugar is to ward off starvation if a hive does not have

> enough

> winter stores of honey (usually caused by a hive with a small

> population) or

> the beekeeper has divided an overcrowded hive and started a new hive.

> Feeding the bees sugar or sugar syrup enables them to start building

> comb,

> feed their hatching brood, and avoid starvation. Sugar has no ill

> effect on

> bees, and is metabolized by them the same as honey is. As soon as

> the bees

> have their own honey stores to feed on, sugar supplements are

> discontinued.

> Keep in mind that the nectar of flowers also contains sucrose and

> fructose.

>

> Beeswax. Honeycomb.

> Wax obtained from melting honeycomb with boiling water, straining it,

> and cooling it. From virgin bees.

>

> Beeswax is made by bees to store nectar in, which is then ripened and

> thickens, producing honey. The beeswax that is taken from the hive

> is a

> surplus that are actually the cappings which the bees use to seal in

> the

> honey. Also, these frames of honey that are taken from the hive for

> human

> consumption are never from the brood chambers, but are extra supers

> that are

> put above the brood chambers during the spring and summer nectar

> flows. In

> my part of California, that is beginning to happen now. In a few

> days, I

> will put supers on my 6 hives and this is how I will obtain my honey

> crop.

> In no way am I depriving the bees of honey - they have had time to

> build up

> their own stores in the brood chambers, so this is all surplus. If I

> did not

> put on supers, the hives would become " honey bound " , with the bees

> taking up

> any extra comb cells for nectar, thus not leaving the queen any open

> cells to

> lay eggs and thus causing a reduction in population. Also, all the

> worker

> bees are virgins with the queen being the only one who has mated and

> thus is

> able to lay eggs. The queen is the mother of the entire hive.

> Drones are

> males who serve only one function - to mate with the queen (this only

> happens

> once), and they are then driven out of the hive by workers because

> their

> usefulness has ended. Royal jelly is also another surplus product.

> Royal

> jelly is produced by the bees and is used to feed only the larvae

> that is set

> aside to become a queen bee. Not all larvae are fed royal jelly.

> Since the

> first queen to hatch in a hive stings the rest of the emerging queens

> killing

> them, the royal jelly harvested in no way affects the well being of

> the hive.

>

> I hope this sets the record straight regarding bees and their hive

> products.

> If a person chooses to use an alternative product, that is their

> choice. My

> main purpose in writing this was to let everyone know that PETA is

> not to be

> trusted. The have and do deliberately mislead people using lies and

> misinformation.

> Francine

> ----------

> Pat.

> Peace, Joy, Serenity.

> www.houseofscents.com

> Cosmeticinfo

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you to everyone for the kind support. This will be my last post on

this subject as I am sure it is becoming tiresome for everyone. Please note

that it was not my intention to insult anyone or cause any division. My only

motive was to expose untruth. In fact, I believe that is what each and every

one of us does with all the information/misinformation we are exposed to; we

must analyze information as to its veracity in order to make intelligent

choices; not to be led astray or into radical ideologies..

Thanks again,

Francine

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