worms

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Judy,

This sounds like a good idea - worm composting. There is a snack food

called something like " Worms in Dirt " ! Its jellies in chocolate cookie

crumbs - great fun for exposure!!

Rain, and in particular storms, frighten ziv. She always has increased

anxiety in that weather. Kind of hard to do exposure, except to put on

boots, take an umbrella nad go for a walk! When it thunder storms we sit and

watch out a window, counting the time between the lightening and the

thunder.

What is it about worms that give people the creeps??? )

wendy, in canada wb4@...

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>You are a clever mother.

>

>About the worms, Dan has a thing about worms and all creepy crawlies.

>He has worked on it to the point where he is a worm guardian. When it

>rains (rain upsets him anyway), he gets very upset at the worms that

>have crawled onto the sidewalk. He is afraid he will step on them, but

>also afraid that they will perish. So for awhile he would pick them up

>and carry them to safety (the grass). But there were too many and it

>was overwhelming. He is getting a bit desensitized now, though, and can go

>out in the rain.

>

>Last week I went to the aquarium center and purchased their last

>container of " red wigglers. " These worms can be used for indoor (or

>outdoor in clement weather) composting. Dan picked them individually

>out of the container with a stick, counted them (39), and placed them on

>the table scrap portion of the bedding. There is a science to this--I

>downloaded the methodology from two websites on composting. So now I

>get my table scraps composted and Dan gets regular exposure to worms.

>After about six months they are supposed to have multiplied, so I will

>have him count them again and give the surplus to friends to start their

>compost bin.

>

>Judy

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said:

> There is a snack food called something like " Worms in Dirt " ! Its

jellies in chocolate

> cookie crumbs - great fun for exposure!!

I know I'm getting off topic, but this dessert works really well if you

take Cool Whip and mix it with the Oreo crumbs. It gets this really

neat consistency that kids love to play with while they eat. If your

kids are young, you just have to make sure that they either eat it

outside or you put a garbage bag under their chairs. If your kids have

issues with getting dirty, they might have a problem with this one.

It's sticky.

Trudy in KC, MO

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I really find it hard to believe that nearly all of us have worms.... And I

must admit, thinking about it kind of freaks me out. I do not know if I

could do a worm cleanse. I will have to give that some serious thought. Is

anyone on the list familiar with the worm cleansing and do they come out

ALIVE ??? (shudder, shudder). Can one get worms if they cook their meats

thoroughly? (and I never eat raw fish, sushi) I have read some worm horror

stories on the net supposedly written by colonics therapists, but the ones I

know, have never seen any come out of any of their patients. Just

curious...

KAT

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Vilik,

You mention of eating slugs instantly conjured up ...

Escargot! I remember liking them. I'm not sure snails are worms but hey

if you put fresh garlic and organic butter on them, they could be quite a

delicacy.

I imagined the earthworm soup was live worms like something you see in

Sci Fi films. Can't imagine eating that. Have seen documentatry's of tribal

folks who consider live slugs a real treat and save rotted logs for festive

celebrations.

I personally was relieved to hear from Saul that the Weinsstock worm

theory was

slimy bunk!

Lash

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I am with Saul on the worm issue. I have seen too much spreading of good

ole " MISINFORMATION " by the Medical Establishment, to be fooled into a " The

King has no clothes " scam again. REALLY, is it any wonder that it takes

the thinking of a child to see the obvious. See everything just as it IS,

not as the World with its acclaiming of the Learned, because of a title or

Degree we have to take them seriously. I have known too many PhD's and MD's

and the way they will postulate the absurd just to get published. I guess

knowing the Learned up close and personal, in academic and other settings

makes one more aware of the extreme fallibility of educated humans

worldwide. Thank you Saul Pressman for your wise words of wisdom. Worms to

treat IBS and Cronn's. I think not.

Kris

Smart is believing only half of what you hear,

brilliant is knowing which half to believe.

Atlantic1@...

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Can worms survive in a digestive tract with normal pH values in the

various regions? J.

[Guest guest]

Check the pH. It might need lime. Are you feeding it kitchen scraps? If

so, bury them under an inch or two of peat.

Missy

Worms

> On know we are off topic here, but if we can talk about slugs and

racoons... I have a worm bin and am having a terrible problem with gnats.

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. Thanks. Lori

>

>

>

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Not if you live in a 'fruit fly free' zone like in many parts of Australia and

perhaps in other countries, then you are by law have to take means to prevent

them from becoming fully grown, otherwise there is danger of them attacking

commerical fruit orchards.

Cheers Danny

Worms

To

Viviana:

The worms as described are the larva of the fruit fly eggs. They are

harmless creatures, don't consume them. Let them live and discard the

whole brew.

Happy brewing,

Benno.

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" fruit fly free zone " . boy, try to say that fast, 10 times. i dare

ya! -- claudia p.s. sorry, i must be getting tired.

> Not if you live in a 'fruit fly free' zone like in many parts of

Australia and perhaps in other countries, then you are by law have

to take means to prevent them from becoming fully grown, otherwise

there is danger of them attacking commerical fruit orchards.

>

> Cheers Danny

> Worms

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> To

> Viviana:

>

> The worms as described are the larva of the fruit fly eggs. They

are

> harmless creatures, don't consume them. Let them live and

discard the

> whole brew.

>

> Happy brewing,

> Benno.

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To Benno:

Thanks for answering my mail. The point is the worms keep appearing and keep

discarding the brew so I have no tea.

But I'll try once more.

Thanks again.

Viviana

>From: " Benno Sternig " <bsternig@...>

>Reply-kombucha tea

>kombucha tea

>Subject: Worms

>Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:52:20 -0000

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>To

>Viviana:

>

>The worms as described are the larva of the fruit fly eggs. They are

>harmless creatures, don't consume them. Let them live and discard the

>whole brew.

>

>Happy brewing,

>Benno.

>

>

>

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Hi Viviana:

Are you using the same scoby again? If so you have to wash it really

good. Not just rinsing under the tap. The eggs are sticking to the

scoby. But you only will find the eggs on top of the scoby.

What are you using to cover the opening of the fermenting vessel? I am

using close woven curtain material, secured with a rubber band. No

fruit fly can go in and the air flow is not restricted.

You should strain the finished KT. I am using a stainless steel

strainer, covered with a double layer of Bounty paper towel. No worm

or any other solid substance will get through the paper towel. Bounty

towels are the most durable ones on the market and do not contain any

chemical residues.

Fruit fly larva's are harmless. As soon as they hit a liquid they

die.

That's why you only can find them on top of the scoby. Of course

nobody wants to consume worms.

I hope this information will help you with your wormy situation.

My Best Regards,

Benno.

>

>

> To Benno:

>

> Thanks for answering my mail. The point is the worms keep appearing

and keep

> discarding the brew so I have no tea.

> But I'll try once more.

> Thanks again.

>

> Viviana

[Guest guest]

Interesting.

There are people who actually professionally raise these

critters. As well as people who professional eliminate them.

Talk about full circle.

for raising vinegar worms as " Starter Cultures "

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/livefood/vinegar.html

for elimination same see

http://www.pestcontrolsupplies.com/FruitFlies.htm

Apparently another use for our kombucha.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

Acupuncture is a jab well done

www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA.

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Hi, Benno

Thank you for taking the time to give such an extensive and detailed answer.

I wanted to share with you that what I find unusual about this " wormy

situation " is that I've been fermenting my kombucha for over 8 years and

worms have come up now, even though I heard some people tellilng me about

this problem.

I don't use the same scoby whenever this happens. I just thought -perhaps

wrongly- the culture might be contaminated and so I threw everything away.

To cover the fermenting container I'm using the same woven cloth as I've

always used and as my mother is using. It's true it's not really very close

woven material but I assumed nothing wrong happened before. Perhaps I should

try closer woven cloth.

To strain the tea I use a cloth coffee filter which lets nothing go through.

I'm going to try once again changing the cover.

I'll let you know what happens.

Thanks again and my best regards,

Viviana

>From: " Benno Sternig " <bsternig@...>

>Reply-kombucha tea

>kombucha tea

>Subject: Re: Worms

>Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:45:41 -0000

>

>

>Hi Viviana:

>Are you using the same scoby again? If so you have to wash it really

>good. Not just rinsing under the tap. The eggs are sticking to the

>scoby. But you only will find the eggs on top of the scoby.

>

>What are you using to cover the opening of the fermenting vessel? I am

>using close woven curtain material, secured with a rubber band. No

>fruit fly can go in and the air flow is not restricted.

>

>You should strain the finished KT. I am using a stainless steel

>strainer, covered with a double layer of Bounty paper towel. No worm

>or any other solid substance will get through the paper towel. Bounty

>towels are the most durable ones on the market and do not contain any

>chemical residues.

>

>Fruit fly larva's are harmless. As soon as they hit a liquid they

>die.

>That's why you only can find them on top of the scoby. Of course

>nobody wants to consume worms.

>

>I hope this information will help you with your wormy situation.

>

>My Best Regards,

>Benno.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > To Benno:

> >

> > Thanks for answering my mail. The point is the worms keep appearing

>and keep

> > discarding the brew so I have no tea.

> > But I'll try once more.

> > Thanks again.

> >

> > Viviana

>

>

>

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Yes, fruit flies hatch from eggs as maggots. Vinegar gnats is what we've

been told is why we use the muslin covers, and they would also make maggots.

Also, there is a thing called vinegar worms, which occurs in live vinegars,

which in some parts of the world is considered fairly normal to vinegar

cultures. They are harmless to humans.

The source I read said that while vinegar worms are normal, vinegar gnats

are to be avoided and aren't considered a good sign even in human cultures

that are ok with the vinegar worms.

Can't remember the source, sorry.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

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On 10 Sep 05 at 16:43 o'clock shavig@... (SV) wrote

> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I just went to get my jar of new booch and it had

> worms on the top scoby!!!!!! Little, teeny, tiny white squiggly things. Do

> fruit flies cause maggots?

Dear Shari,

This is an excerpt from the book " Kombucha - Healthy beverage and natural

remedy from the Far East " by Guenther W. . Where you buy this book

see http://www.kombu.de/where.htm.

Tiny vinegar flies can be particularly tiresome when you are making

Kombucha. They can be found, especially in the Summer months when the

weather is hot, on liquids containing sugar, alcohol or vinegar, or even

on fruit, and they are attracted by the aromatic smell of the Kombucha

beverage. Their sense of smell is extraordinarily well developed. They

appear suddenly, as if from nowhere, buzz around the fermentation

container, settle on the cloth covering it, and try to succeed in getting

inside. Once they do manage to get inside, " little worms " soon begin to

crawl around on the surface of the culture. These are the vinegar fly

maggots which have hatched out of the eggs laid by the vinegar flies. They

make the culture look very unappetizing.

Control of vinegar flies

You can hardly completely avoid tiny vinegar flies buzzing around the

fermentation container now and then. They don't do any harm by doing so.

What you must absolutely avoid, however, is letting the flies get right

inside the container and laying their eggs there, from which the

unappetizing maggots begin to hatch and then crawl around the surface of

the culture. If the following rules are observed, the battle against

vinegar flies is in most cases already won:

1. You must cover the container with a cloth, a piece of muslin, a single

layer peeled from a paper handkerchief, or anything similar which will let

the air through but has no opening large enough to allow the tiny flies to

creep through. The openings in net curtain material are often too large.

2. In addition - and this is very important!- the cloth must be firmly

secured with a rubber band or a piece of string, so that there is no

possibility of the flies getting through between the cloth and the side of

the container.

The best way to fight the vinegar flies to make a fly trap. This method is

very good and effective: Just put some Kombucha Tea into a small wine or

other glass. Additionally pour some drops of dish detergent into the tea.

The little critters can't resist the temptation to take a little swim. The

flies sink to the bottom and drown. That is because there is no longer any

surface tension on the liquid. It works great!

Best wishes and kindest regards from Germany

Günther

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* Günther W. * frank@...

* http://www.kombu.de/ (Kombucha Journal)

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Hi Shari,

I've had fruit flies and ants attack my fermenting KT until someone on this

board said he used Bay Leaves scattered around. I tried it, a few on the top

cloth and a scattering around the base and It Works....

I was a happy girl. I don't share my kt with bugs anymore.

Kathann

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I just went to get my jar of new booch and it had

worms on the top scoby!!!!!! Little, teeny, tiny white squiggly things. Do

fruit flies cause maggots?

[Guest guest]

Bingo! My covering had holes too big, let the little creeps in!

Thanks, Guenther

[Guest guest]

Doesn't matter if they are harmless or not. I doubt I could drink something I

had seen worms residing on!

Thanks for the info - Shari

[Guest guest]

Cool, I have a bay leaf plant I didn't know what to do with, guess I'll

harvest the leaves and scatter a few to see what happens.

Thanks Kathann.

Shari

[Guest guest]

GREAT TIP

> Hi Shari,

> I've had fruit flies and ants attack my fermenting KT until someone

on this board said he used Bay Leaves scattered around. I tried it, a

few on the top cloth and a scattering around the base and It Works....

> I was a happy girl. I don't share my kt with bugs anymore.

> Kathann

>

>

>

> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I just went to get my jar of new booch

and it had worms on the top scoby!!!!!! Little, teeny, tiny white

squiggly things. Do fruit flies cause maggots?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Doesn't matter if they are harmless or not. I doubt I could drink

>something I had seen worms residing on!

>

>Thanks for the info - Shari

heh. I figured, but wanted to give you the full report.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for the Bay Leaves Tip. That is great, not only for KT, but for

anything else to keep the little buggers away.

Sasha

-- Re: worms

GREAT TIP

> Hi Shari,

> I've had fruit flies and ants attack my fermenting KT until someone

on this board said he used Bay Leaves scattered around. I tried it, a

few on the top cloth and a scattering around the base and It Works....

> I was a

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/08/2006 10:57:34 GMT Daylight Time, editorial.hillbury@... writes:

Does anyone know if this is right? Thing is I'dlike to do it now and put him out of his misery.

>>>I'd do it now and again just after the moon but thats just me

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I think my lad has worms again. I see there is a full moon on 9th August and

he's behaving the same way that he did last time he had them and there was a

lovely shiny moon in the sky. Lots of teeth grinding, wriggling on the chair

and scratching his bottom. I read that the best time to deworm them is 5

days before the full moon. Does anyone know if this is right? Thing is I'd

like to do it now and put him out of his misery.

Gillian

[Guest guest]

Isn't the full moon hatching time for the eggs? I think Hulda

talks about this in her books. She recommends treatment over the

course of a couple of months to get all the critters.

>

> Hi there,

>

> I think my lad has worms again. I see there is a full moon on 9th

August and

> he's behaving the same way that he did last time he had them and

there was a

> lovely shiny moon in the sky. Lots of teeth grinding, wriggling on

the chair

> and scratching his bottom. I read that the best time to deworm them

is 5

> days before the full moon. Does anyone know if this is right? Thing

is I'd

> like to do it now and put him out of his misery.

>

> Gillian

>